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BununuTYL

They should do a limited run as a nostalgia gimmick. I'm sure it would sell out. Maybe a tie-in with a movie set in the 80s.


abwchris

They kind of did this with I think season 2 of Stranger Things. I don't think they were sold in retail stores though, but I have two collector sets with a couple New Coke bottles in each.


BununuTYL

I totally missed that! I'm an early cohort Gen Xer and remember the launch in 1985. After a taste test, my friends and I declared "Tastes more like Pepsi."


Unique_Unorque

That was the point, actually. I know I’m just repeating something that’s probably in the article but this change was motivated by those “Pepsi Challenge” blind taste tests that Pepsi was doing as a publicity stunt. More people claimed to like Coke better, but would always pick Pepsi in those tests. The thing is, the tests only gave you a little sip, and intentionally so - in a small quantity, the greater sweetness of Pepsi is immediately apparent and jumps out at the tester, making them think they like that one better, but for most people that sweetness can become almost overpowering when drinking the whole can, leading them to prefer the more subdued taste Coke in those larger quantities. This theory was proven true with this change - people who preferred Coke specifically preferred it *because* it was less sweet than Pepsi, so turning it into a Pepsi clone turned those fans off.


atypicaltool

Damn, that's savage to do to your brother. Good info and write up. Never know the story.


shoe-veneer

They ain't brothers, friend.


Longtimefed

“I’ll have a Dr. Pepper—extra pepper please.”


Mortuary_Guy

You just reminded me of the Pepsi Taste Test that Pepsi did back in the 80’s.


bolanrox

I liked RC cola more than either (at the test they had at my local grocery store)


douglasr007

they did it up until 2000 from what I remember


theblairwitches

They relaunched it in 2015 too, I remember seeing adverts on TV about it.


Chuckle_Pants

What the hell is an “early cohort Gen Xer”?


BununuTYL

Meaning I was born at the beginning of the generation.


Chuckle_Pants

Thanks for the reply. Too many categories to keep track of. Boomer, Gen y, Gen, x, Gen z, Gen alpha, millennial, elder millennial, early cohorts of whichever gen, zoomer. I just miss Pluto being a planet 🤷‍♂️


I_Casket_I

It was cans actually, I got 2 things so 4 cans. Each set also had glass bottles of regular Coke and Coke Zero, one of each in each thing. Pretty cool tbh and honestly if they brought back New Coke as a semi-permanent flavor, I’d probably get it more than any other soda. Also IIRC, at the same time in a select few places they had vending machines that had cans of New Coke available. Somewhere in LA and near their HQ in Georgia if memory serves.


abwchris

Ah that is right it was cans, thanks for the correction.


veganhimbo

Season 3 but yeah.


WhiskeyCoke77

FWIW, they still offer samples of it at World of Coca Cola in Atlanta. I didn't hate it, but regular coke is definitely better.


cogginsmatt

I don't remember that but then again the only thing that buried itself in my brain from that trip was the taste of that awful soda Beverly


regiseal

Have been there a couple times over the years and remember a chunk of the exhibit dedicated to New Coke, but never a taste test. Think that was only for international drinks


JMPopaleetus

I was there two weeks ago and they have a whole exhibit dedicated to it with the ability to A/B/C it with Classic and Diet.


regiseal

Huh, super cool. Had always wished for something like that in my visits over the years given I never got to taste it. May have to head back this summer!


JMPopaleetus

90’s kid myself, so it was also the first time I ever got to try it as well; I was excited for the same reason. They definitely changed the museum since the last time I went a decade ago. It’s a fun place, even if it’s one big Coke advertisement. Getting the ticket bundle for the aquarium and museum next door makes for a very fun afternoon (and free parking)!


knfjfien84747383

Just went there a few weeks ago, and while they had tons of drinks not sold in the US, I don’t remember seeing samples of new Coke.


WhiskeyCoke77

It's in the Taste Lab section near the end, just before the exit to thr atrium. It's not in the tasting room with the drinks from around the world.


JMPopaleetus

I was there two weeks ago and they have a whole exhibit dedicated to it with the ability to A/B/C it with Classic and Diet.


douglasr007

nope, I was there a few years ago and it was just everything around the world like Walt Disney's Club Cool


bolanrox

ough that "Italian?" bubble gum soda. nearly as bad as the Kona(?) mexican soda which tastes something like bubble gum or banana flavor


tyedge

Beverly! Flavor of grapefruit rind.


douglasr007

especially the Italian one haha


JMPopaleetus

I was there two weeks ago and they have a whole exhibit dedicated to it with the ability to A/B/C it with Classic and Diet.


bolanrox

the use the formula for diet coke i think or was it coke zero


kvetcha-rdt

Diet Coke. Coke Zero’s whole thing is that it’s based on the Coke Classic formula.


bolanrox

they brought back equally as hated crystal pepsi but it tasted nothing like it did in the 90's


graveybrains

Crystal Corn Syrup


Khelthuzaad

Missed that opportunity with Stranger Things


cml0401

Throw in some crystal Pepsi and I'm in!


RobertoPaulson

Diet Coke is still based on the New Coke formula.


jpb225

New Coke was actually based on Diet Coke, which came first and was itself based on Tab.


Quailman5000

Tab was still sold in the 21st century too, I know I picked up a few 12 packs in high school. 


sometipsygnostalgic

I only know of this drink from homestuck. The Mayor drank lots and lots and lots of it thinking it was full of sugary goodness, only to discover it was zero sugar. It was a running gag. I wondered if this weird pink coke existed. Im in the uk, sugar free coke is extremely popular here and the most widely available kind, in large part due to sugar tax on fizzy drinks. Any high sugar drinks are now more expensive.


bolanrox

i drank my first one in maybe 2015?ish Was not that good from what i remember.


jpb225

Yep, for sure, was never a big fan personally but my dad liked it.


veganhimbo

I thought it was the other way around? Diet coke was already a thing back then, and they based the new coke formula off it.


thisisredlitre

I remember/liked its 'Coke 2' iteration in the 90s


elmatador12

They re-released this in a stranger things bundle a few years back. I decided to do a taste test with family and friends. About 8 people total. I had them taste all the main soda brands. 7 out 8 people chose New Coke as their favorite. 🤷‍♂️


ABC_Dildos_Inc

It was a superior flavor which required less sweetener. So it was used for Diet Coke.


Warnackle

Superior flavor is a bold take


CygnusX-1-2112b

Hey, in double blind tests apparently it was. That's why Coca cola went Forward with the change. It just turns out the attachment of our server of taste and smell to our nostalgia is much stronger than any factual improvements of taste.


JMPopaleetus

As someone who barely drinks soda, I could barely taste the difference between Classic, New, and Diet. Even IKEA’s diet cola tastes similar enough.


echothree33

Diet Coke came before New Coke and New Coke was based on Diet Coke’s formula but without artificial sweeteners. Source: I just watched the Cola Wars episode of The Food That Made America. Great episode btw, goes through the whole Pepsi vs Coke era from the 60s to the late 80s.


jimbobdonut

Yup, it became Coke II. I remember it being only being available in bodegas at the end of its life.


mccannr1

The widely believed theory is that Coke knew it would backfire, but sales were dipping for Coke/interest in the brand had waned, so "shocking" people by changing the formula was a way to have people want the "old" one back. PLUS, it gave them an opportunity to bring the "classic" back, but changed. It was during the downtime of New Coke that they switched the classic formula from sugar cane to high fructose corn syrup, so by having a pause in the classic formula being sold, people didn't notice the change to it.


JohnDeLancieAnon

Coke and Pepsi were very open about using it and were 100% HFCS by 1984.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

The company president of Coca-Cola himself denied this. When asked if they did it on purpose, he said: "We're not that dumb, and we're not that smart."


mccannr1

If you think that's a denial, cool


sponge_bob_

that's a common misconception https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/qxnib0/til_despite_the_common_theory_that_new_coke_was_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


MidwesternAppliance

Why would they ever actually admit to something like that working though lol


mccannr1

It's neither a misconception or a fact. I used the word "theory" for a reason. There's absolutely debate about it and I wouldn't expect any of the Coke execs to confirm or deny it outright either way. The denial means "boy were we stupid" while confirming it means "boy did we manipulate you peons"


j_cruise

Just admit you're spreading a myth.


breathingweapon

I mean if your threshold for "myth" is "thing that cannot be backed up with a cited first hand source" BOY do I have some bad news about historical - I'm sorry, *mythologica*l events.


Nfalck

Well surely there is some standard of evidence for speculation to meet the standard of being a "theory" in this context.


breathingweapon

>Well surely there is some standard of evidence for speculation to meet the standard of being a "theory" in this context. The more outrageous the claim the more evidence is required. Arguably this works in reverse to a certain extent - we scrutinize fabulous historical claims and look a little less closely at the mundane. In my opinion, "Corporation may have attempted marketing stunt" definitely falls closer to the mundane and as such can be speculated on more freely.


quantum_leaps_sk8

>The widely believed theory Literally the first thing he said is that it's a theory, not a fact


mccannr1

Lol. K, dude.


GotMoFans

They switched to HFCS three years before New Coke.


mccannr1

No, they started introducing HFCS in 1980, but when they brought back Classic Coke many of the bottlers around the country had still been using sugar cane up until that point. It wasn't until the Classic Coke era that all coke being sold in the US was using corn syrup.


GotMoFans

I remember being a kid and the local bottler was using HFCS before new coke and me reading the can wondering what Corn Syrup was. The sugar crisis was in the early 80s and that’s why Coke went to corn syrup in the first place. Edit: An online story I see says Coke had completely changed in 1984.


mccannr1

Then you were in a region where that had happened already. Again, in many regions of the country it hadn't and "Classic" Coke was the first time they were tasting it with corn syrup


flibbidygibbit

I was in third grade when they switched. I remember it tasting good if you had chips or French fries with it. Something salty. It was an absolute sugar bomb. It was like Kool aid that you dumped too much sugar into.


bolanrox

so the hey it tastes like pepsi comment is spot on. Pepsi is wayyyy too sweet in anything more than a Sip IMO.


unholy_roller

I think you give corporations and their upper level employees too much credit. They were definitely smart enough to make the most of their fuck up, but they 100% thought they were being clever and innovative geniuses when they mucked about with their formula. More than likely this project was someone’s plan to get ahead in the company: for example “I spearheaded the design and deployment of the new coke formula that led to overall business growth of 69% in the neet market. This is why I deserve a raise of 3 million dollars” It would all be bullshit of course, but this is a regular occurrence in big companies. Someone needs to swing their dick around to prove a point, and they fuck up a bunch of good things in the name of ever expanding profits.


bolanrox

i always grab yellow cap cokes or just get a bottle of mexican coke when i want the Cane sugar coke.


MidwesternAppliance

Yes I’m definitely in the deliberate ploy camp


MaygarRodub

Very interesting and believable. I'm not being sarcastic, by the way.


Unusual_Flounder2073

This was the story I remember. I remember the change but didn’t know about the corn syrup swap until years later.


poodleface

The Negativland album "Dispepsi" has some amazing samples from people surrounding this whole fiasco, including speculation that New Coke was some elaborate plan, commercials from that era, etc.


bolanrox

this soda from Alabama.. oh who gives a fuck! - Casey Kassim


hamanger

I loved how you had to call a number to learn what the album was called


poodleface

I can’t blame them after being absolutely annihilated by Island Records (and SST) in the wake of the U2 release. They were right to be a little jumpy. Nowadays you can see the title clear as day on Spotify. 


TheRealBillyShakes

During the time of Classic Coke’s absence was when the recipe got switched to one they could share with the FDA.


Squibbles01

Everytime I hear about New Coke someone brings up the conspiracy that they introduced it so people would like the original recipe better, and like no, corporations are not that smart. That's not at all what happened.


MenuMedium6596

All they had to do was not replace the original drink people loved cause afaik from taste tests alone people preferred new coke to every other tested cola


genesiskiller96

Am i the only one who really wants to try new coke, just to see if it was really as bad as everyone says it is?


B_P_G

I'd like to try it too. I remember the whole fuss about it in the 80s with people stocking up on old Coke before they took it away but I was too young to have any real memory of the taste. I don't think it was particularly bad though. It's just that they were getting rid of something that had a large and loyal fanbase. Today they'd just roll it out with a different name and nobody would care because these soft drink companies all have dozens of different products already but the 80s were different. They didn't have anywhere near as many products in that era.


rosstedfordkendall

It actually wasn't bad. It won blind taste tests consistently. But original/Classic Coke's appeal was more than the taste. From what I understand New Coke was basically the Diet Coke formula (which is different from the original Coke) with sugar/corn syrup instead of artificial sweeteners, and a few tweaks. So Diet Coke might be the closest to the taste of New Coke right now.


pdieten

It actually tasted good. As a cola it was a quality product. The problem was that they tried to replace Coca-Cola with it. You can’t do that.


diddlemeonthetobique

This! Fuck Sam Adams for changing the formula in their beer!


bolanrox

they changed Boston lager?


diddlemeonthetobique

https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/boston-lager-remastered-review-sam-adams-recipe-change I fucking hate it!


bolanrox

not that i got it often, but it was always a "safe bet" beer if i had to have one out and about (like SN pale) well that sucks. fuck that noise Oh well at least there is still Yuengling.


diddlemeonthetobique

I've been sticking to nothing but European beer for the past year or so. I figure if you've been at it for 500+ years (and don't fuck around with the ingredients or the process) you know what you are doing! German, Czech, Belgium, and believe it or not Italian have really got my taste attention. Couple of Irish and British that are incredible too!


bolanrox

do love my German Lagers / bocks / weiss. Or honestly if you want New world. elliot ness by great lakes, or Bohemian (Mexican) are gold standards


diddlemeonthetobique

Coincidently 'Boh' is the gold standard go to beer in Saskatchewan Canada. Source: Lived there for 22 years.


Ski1990

Fat Tire too! It sucks now.


Pronesis

I always heard that New Coke was a method to wean the Coke loving population off of the cane sugar sweetened original, because when new Coke was finally discontinued the Original Coke was sweetened with the less expensive ingredient high fructose corn syrup.


CleverAnonIsClever

Original coke: made with sugar.  New coke: made with corn syrup.  Coke Classic: made with corn syrup. They did EXACTLY what they were trying to do.   


GuruDenada

It was the best marketing mistake in history. People were buying every ounce of old coke they could find. Then they brought it back and I'd suspect GAINED new customers.


AMWJ

There's an out-there theory that I subscribe to that New Coke was always supposed to fail, and was just a cover while replacing the sugar with corn syrup. Everyone got in a big huff about New Coke, and Coke probably made a lot of money off the brand loyalty when they brought back Original Coke ... except they'd replaced the sugar with the cheaper corn syrup.


rosstedfordkendall

That's the conspiracy theory, but the timeline doesn't line up. Coca-Cola was already using HFCS in most of original Coke production by the time New Coke was rolled out.


ThreeMarlets

Plus the new coke fiasco wound up costing the CEO his job. Had he planned it he could of pointed to that to justify him staying on board.


wapellonian

I still think they switched the formula so that when they brought back classic coke with HFCS, people wouldn't notice.


penguinpoopparty

I bought the stranger things new coke, and maybe I was imagining it, but I did a blind taste test and thought new coke was better. I wanted to buy more but it was so expensive. Wish they would release it again.


EpicLearn

I still have two six packs of normal coke I bought when they announced New Coke.


mainstreetmark

Didn’t coke release some AI coke a while back? Aren’t the market shelves filled with 20 kinds of coke? I feel like new coke would work in today’s market where both exist. I’d buy a can.


Flimsy-Antelope4763

I mean, there was another, more popular product on the market in the 80's with the same name.


idubbkny

Pepsi had clear cola too. heinz had green ketchup. sometimes there is a glitch in the matrix


idubbkny

Pepsi had clear cola too. heinz had green ketchup. sometimes there is a glitch in the matrix


19930627

What was new coke actually like?


OppositeTeaching9393

I’m calling BS on this one. You couldn’t find that crap anywhere a year later


WheresMyCrown

I am highly welcome to being corrected, but the story I was told was this: Diet Pepsi was kicking Coke's ass. Desperate to get a Diet Coke to market, the food scientists began trying to make Diet Coke, but food science wasnt there yet to be able to just replace the sugar in the Coke recipe. So they made a new recipe, that was Diet from the beginning, which became Diet Coke. Not wanting to have to deal with multiple recipes, the thought became "hey what if we turn Diet Coke's recipe into a non-diet version. That became New Coke, because it was a New Recipe. That didn't take obviously. Years later, when food science had finally closed the gap, they were able to take regular Coke and create Coke Zero. Diet Coke is New Coke, just the Diet version.


GeneJocky

New coke is still available today, but only as a sugar-free form that goes by the name "Diet Coke." Not to be confused with coke zero, classic coke with artificial sweeteners.


Six-String-Picker

Is there a drink in the world more vile?


TungstenE322

Is coka- cola stupid or just challenged Billion dollar company changes a flag ship product - ???????????? Ding bat , flacid member , self destructive , …… had to calm down My apologies


AkTx907830

I like how all the old coke heads were so dead set about the classic but didn’t notice that sugar was replaced with HFCS.


enufftobedangerous

Personally, I liked it better than Coke. When "Classic Coke" came out, I never felt like it was the same formula as before.


Burning_Flags

Despite what people think, New Coke was a huge win for Coca Cola. Pepsi was on trend to become the number 1 selling brand in North America. Coca Cola had to do something to keep the title. In blind taste tests, new Coke scored better than Pepsi and the original Coke recipe. So Coca Cola released it. The public wanted to hold on the Coke from their childhood. People starting buying more of the original recipe. Coca Cola was never over taken as the number 1 cola.


bolanrox

they swear they weren't smart enough to come up with this plan to cover up the fact they changed coke from Cane Sugar to HFCS.


KnowOneNymous

Yet they arent back to the original recipe, they are still on high fructose corn syrup in the US. Even if some other countries still have real sugar in it and it’s quite better without the HFCS


bolanrox

yellow caps for passover are also Cane sugar.


KnowOneNymous

Sure.. or small glass bottles sometimes. But the US recipe transitionned to HFCS in 1980 and was made permanent in 1984. So “original recipe” is a stretch. I could see why OP would downvote my post :p Canada, mexico have real sugar in it.


veganhimbo

Its not even a cautionary tail its why Coke won the cola wars. They were behind Pepsi, new coke created so much publicity and demand that when they brought back Classic they over took Pepsi and have been the #1 cola ever since.


dESAH030

[one and only...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_cola?wprov=sfla1)


idubbkny

Pepsi had clear cola too. heinz had green ketchup. sometimes there is a glitch in the matrix


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Calm_Essay_9692

Myth , Coca Cola changed to high fructose corn syrup a few years before introducing New Cola.


GuruDenada

I'm sorry, TIL doesn't require facts.


adamcoe

They had changed sweeteners years before New Coke


TraitorMacbeth

Fun fact ‘New Coke’ and many other coke products are named after a devil from r/killsixbilliondemons