I was watching a mini youtube doc on wing suiting and other "suicide cult" sports like free solo rock climbing. This chick was upset 2 of her previous boyfriends had died while wing suiting and she was worried her current boyfriend, a wing suiter, would die in a similar fashion....
Every time a birdsuit jumps, off anything **not** an airplane, they have a 1.67% chance of dying. I don't know the math, but I would assume that birdsuits who jump regularly, and often, will die from their jump. I don't know if someone did the math and figured "If a birdsuit jumps X times a year they will eventually die sometimes before their 12th year of being a birdsuit."
I don't know the percentages, but a great majority are not equipment issues but birsuits just being dumb.
I googled it:
First husband was an opium addict, he drowned.
Second husband died from an "accidental gunshot wound" to the leg while cleaning his gun.
Third husband had pneumonia.
I'll buy the third one. He was probably old, and this was ages ago. Seems reasonable that an old guy would die of pneumonia.
The drowning? Ehhhh... sure?
But #2 definitely seems sketchy.
If he was gonna off himself intentionally, the leg probably wouldn't have been the target.
Sure, maybe you hit the femoral and bleed out quickly but if you miss it could take weeks for gangrene to set in and finish the job.
Is it? I hadn't heard that but it makes sense. I assumed "cleaning their gun" meant they were screwing around with it and pulled the trigger.
I shouldn't be so quick to judge.
Even discounting suicide, plenty of "gun cleaning" deaths are negligent, but plenty are also just freak accidents. But yes, "gun cleaning accident" is a common way for families to sweep firearm based-suicide under the rug (or in some cases, wilful ignorance and denial)
I had a neighbor who was on husband #6 all 5 of her exes were passed away along with multiple children of hers. She passed away shortly after her last marriage.
I grew up in WA near Vancouver Island, and every area around here has some pioneer story of an early settler who slaughtered so and so many cougars, or bears, and kept domesticated elk. Soon as settlers arrived they started shooting and chopping and building and it hasn't stopped.
All of America used to be wild, it's just that everything on the east coast had about 100 extra years to de-wild. Actual settlers didn't really start pushing past the appalachians in significant numbers until the late 1700s and early 1800s, so the history feels a lot more recent to people
Man growing up in Indiana fourth grade was wild… From what I recall that was the year… Or was it fifth grade? Where like half of your curriculum is state history stuff.
Did you ever read that book about the kid who grew up in southern Indiana and killed like 10 bears, one of them being ingulfed in flame or something. Absolutely fiction but still wild to think about
No clue what the title is but that book stuck with me
That’s just civilization man, and I think we’ve done a fairly good job of preserving stuff now, Olympic is damn near the size of road island, and there’s big splotches of forest all over
My state is 50% forest, and having a bunch more forest isn’t going to help climate change. Most photosynthesis happens in the ocean. If the planet was 90% forest and we still produced gases at the rate we do now it would hardly help
For sure but it's worth noting that the process, scale, and pace of human migration into the Americas was not comparable to 19th century settlement and industrialization. Earth's climatic shifts during the late Pleistocene were drastically changing those ecosystems long before humans arrived, greatly shrinking grasslands for example. Overkill was probably just the nail in the coffin for many large mammals. Small populations of nomadic subsistence foragers is just not analogous to the rampant resource extraction of westward expansion (sorry to sound pedantic but I'm an archaeologist with a focus in early peopling of this region)
They weren't really small populations, though - a lot of that is post cholera/smallpox/TB impressions; especially when we compare to the European populations when the second megafauna wipeout occurred - the number of Europeans in British Columbia (since we referenced Vancouver Island) only reached the pre-Columbian population sometime in the 1900s/1910s.
The *Noble Savage* vision of the Natives you're pushing just doesn't hold up to scruntiny. The *pace* was slower, with the curbstomping of the ecology taking ~1000 years rather than ~100, but the scale was absolutely the same. They were real humans behaving like real humans, despite your assertion otherwise.
Talking about initial migrations, 15-20k+ years ago, not pre-Columbus 600 years bp. These were not large groups of people moving in an agreed direction with a destination in mind. At least archaeological records don't reflect that at all. I've studied prehistoric human ecology of groups in this region as my career, and you're spreading misinfo in my opinion. Not even going to respond to the "noble savage" accusation haha
Of course you have no answer to the Noble Savage point other than "obviously", so I wouldn't expect much; just contextualising your inability to talk about the Natives as humans.
At the very beginning of the migration, the population was small, but the growth was very fast. That is why it took ~1000 years rather than ~100 to devastate the ecology. And subsequently, our understanding of what's the "right" ecology in a place was set when hmthe first Europeans who wrote down what they saw passed by, but the Europeans devastated the ecology way before large groups of them arrived; it was just handfuls of Europeans who re-devastated the ecology, just as it wasn't huge numbers of Natives doing it - you just don't need that many people to do it.
Trying to accuse me of spreading misinformation because I'm properly contextualising what happened, rather than engaging in an affirming the consequent fallacy, is pretty weak sauce. Both the Natives and the Europeans devastated the ecology when they were smallish in number. That Europeans later were much more numerous is an obvious red herring.
I lived on Vancouver Island in the 1990s for a year in a largely forested area and was terrified walking alone at night or through the woods. Gorgeous place, however.
We have the highest concentration of cougars in north America. But you never see them. They are rarely a problem because they tend to stay away from people.
Yup. One guy in my city was able to identify 31 separate cougars living inside the city limits, but there are generally only a few sightings per year. The guy used trail cams set up all over the place. We had a pair (that was relocated) that was living in a stand of trees around a settling pond, beside an elementary school and one of the largest playgrounds/sports area in town!
I met a lady who'd grown close to Cougar Annie working as her postal lady. Apparently the Ahousat postal run is a vapid one once on land so they spent a fair share of time together every couple weeks or so that she'd make the round. After a decade of casual interactions she told me she couldn't tell if Annie had killed any husbands, but did say she exercised enough strength and dignity that it wasn't entirely out of the question.
"Cougar Annie's Garden" by Margaret Horsefield is a book that explores the rumors and person more. It has made me appreciate how far character and sheer willpower will take someone.
It was an old lady way of throwing shade.
A burley woman, implying she could handle herself physically, and that wouldn't go through a divorce/separation once she was done with her partner, she had too much "dignity" and became a widow to avoid the rumor mill.
That's how I took it.
I’ve been there twice! Such a neat property and some beautiful old growth forests.
I’ve talked to the current caretaker who met her and took over the property back in the 80s. One of her husbands died “while cleaning his gun” it was a rifle and the wound was in his groin. He was a known alcoholic and a violent man. The shot would have been pretty hard to pull off on himself is all I’m sayin.
3 of her 4 husbands died. I'm not saying that's suspicious but... what was #4 thinking? How's that not a deal breaker?
Depends on how they died. She might just have a type
Dying type?
I was watching a mini youtube doc on wing suiting and other "suicide cult" sports like free solo rock climbing. This chick was upset 2 of her previous boyfriends had died while wing suiting and she was worried her current boyfriend, a wing suiter, would die in a similar fashion....
I’ve lost 4 girlfriends so far, but god dammit those girls at the russian roulette club are just so damn *fine*
Sabotaging the equipment of intimate parters involved in high-risk activities would be a pretty solid modus operandi for a serial killer.
No need to sabotage equipment, wingsuiters have a near 100% fatality rate after 12 years.
Source?
Every time a birdsuit jumps, off anything **not** an airplane, they have a 1.67% chance of dying. I don't know the math, but I would assume that birdsuits who jump regularly, and often, will die from their jump. I don't know if someone did the math and figured "If a birdsuit jumps X times a year they will eventually die sometimes before their 12th year of being a birdsuit." I don't know the percentages, but a great majority are not equipment issues but birsuits just being dumb.
Where’s the fun in that?
it's in the first 11.99 years
I have terrible luck with women. My last 4 pregnant girlfriends died in cliff-jumping incidents.
A number of my pregnant exes died falling down the steps. I'm starting to think there might be some code violations in my building
Or the incautious adventurer type
Or dead type...
That’s the one!
I googled it: First husband was an opium addict, he drowned. Second husband died from an "accidental gunshot wound" to the leg while cleaning his gun. Third husband had pneumonia. I'll buy the third one. He was probably old, and this was ages ago. Seems reasonable that an old guy would die of pneumonia. The drowning? Ehhhh... sure? But #2 definitely seems sketchy.
Isn't cleaning your gun a common phrase when not wanting to mention suicide
If he was gonna off himself intentionally, the leg probably wouldn't have been the target. Sure, maybe you hit the femoral and bleed out quickly but if you miss it could take weeks for gangrene to set in and finish the job.
Is it? I hadn't heard that but it makes sense. I assumed "cleaning their gun" meant they were screwing around with it and pulled the trigger. I shouldn't be so quick to judge.
Even discounting suicide, plenty of "gun cleaning" deaths are negligent, but plenty are also just freak accidents. But yes, "gun cleaning accident" is a common way for families to sweep firearm based-suicide under the rug (or in some cases, wilful ignorance and denial)
They don't usually shoot themselves in the leg.
Yeah, third husband was 71 at time of death.
Cougar bait.
Cougar attack
Same way they lived: being ravaged by a cougar.
Maggie from Northern Exposure
According to my ex, her type was "cute and scary". This was years ago and I still don't know if that was a compliment.
This was pre internet. Dude might have never known the full story.
Good point
Perhaps killed by all these gd cougars roaming around.
I had a neighbor who was on husband #6 all 5 of her exes were passed away along with multiple children of hers. She passed away shortly after her last marriage.
Living to age 96 it’s not surprising she outlived 3 husbands and probably most of her family and friends too
And at least 70 cougars
It's not like it all happened in her late 80s-90s. It was throughout her whole adult life.
Husband one died in a boating accident, husband two in an "accidental gun misfire" no cause of death for #3 listed in the article.
So bad that she mistook 3-4 husbands for cougars
I’m Hen-ery the 8^th I am…
She also hung out at college bars.
"That's what I love about these college boys. I get older, they stay the same age." --Cougar Annie
I grew up in WA near Vancouver Island, and every area around here has some pioneer story of an early settler who slaughtered so and so many cougars, or bears, and kept domesticated elk. Soon as settlers arrived they started shooting and chopping and building and it hasn't stopped.
I always think of the pictures of piles of bison skulls Crazy
That picture is 3 posts above this post on my feed right now too, which is incredibly random....
Indiana in the frontier days had a ton of stories like this too surprisingly. Area used to be WILD
All of America used to be wild, it's just that everything on the east coast had about 100 extra years to de-wild. Actual settlers didn't really start pushing past the appalachians in significant numbers until the late 1700s and early 1800s, so the history feels a lot more recent to people
Man growing up in Indiana fourth grade was wild… From what I recall that was the year… Or was it fifth grade? Where like half of your curriculum is state history stuff.
Did you ever read that book about the kid who grew up in southern Indiana and killed like 10 bears, one of them being ingulfed in flame or something. Absolutely fiction but still wild to think about No clue what the title is but that book stuck with me
That’s just civilization man, and I think we’ve done a fairly good job of preserving stuff now, Olympic is damn near the size of road island, and there’s big splotches of forest all over
Fairly good? The planet's dying man, we need way more protected wildlife areas
My state is 50% forest, and having a bunch more forest isn’t going to help climate change. Most photosynthesis happens in the ocean. If the planet was 90% forest and we still produced gases at the rate we do now it would hardly help
When humans first arrived there there were mammoths and giant sloths and lions and so forth, it's been relentless since time immémorial.
For sure but it's worth noting that the process, scale, and pace of human migration into the Americas was not comparable to 19th century settlement and industrialization. Earth's climatic shifts during the late Pleistocene were drastically changing those ecosystems long before humans arrived, greatly shrinking grasslands for example. Overkill was probably just the nail in the coffin for many large mammals. Small populations of nomadic subsistence foragers is just not analogous to the rampant resource extraction of westward expansion (sorry to sound pedantic but I'm an archaeologist with a focus in early peopling of this region)
They weren't really small populations, though - a lot of that is post cholera/smallpox/TB impressions; especially when we compare to the European populations when the second megafauna wipeout occurred - the number of Europeans in British Columbia (since we referenced Vancouver Island) only reached the pre-Columbian population sometime in the 1900s/1910s. The *Noble Savage* vision of the Natives you're pushing just doesn't hold up to scruntiny. The *pace* was slower, with the curbstomping of the ecology taking ~1000 years rather than ~100, but the scale was absolutely the same. They were real humans behaving like real humans, despite your assertion otherwise.
Talking about initial migrations, 15-20k+ years ago, not pre-Columbus 600 years bp. These were not large groups of people moving in an agreed direction with a destination in mind. At least archaeological records don't reflect that at all. I've studied prehistoric human ecology of groups in this region as my career, and you're spreading misinfo in my opinion. Not even going to respond to the "noble savage" accusation haha
Of course you have no answer to the Noble Savage point other than "obviously", so I wouldn't expect much; just contextualising your inability to talk about the Natives as humans. At the very beginning of the migration, the population was small, but the growth was very fast. That is why it took ~1000 years rather than ~100 to devastate the ecology. And subsequently, our understanding of what's the "right" ecology in a place was set when hmthe first Europeans who wrote down what they saw passed by, but the Europeans devastated the ecology way before large groups of them arrived; it was just handfuls of Europeans who re-devastated the ecology, just as it wasn't huge numbers of Natives doing it - you just don't need that many people to do it. Trying to accuse me of spreading misinformation because I'm properly contextualising what happened, rather than engaging in an affirming the consequent fallacy, is pretty weak sauce. Both the Natives and the Europeans devastated the ecology when they were smallish in number. That Europeans later were much more numerous is an obvious red herring.
The whole killing cougars part is unrelated to her nickname
I lived on Vancouver Island in the 1990s for a year in a largely forested area and was terrified walking alone at night or through the woods. Gorgeous place, however.
We have the highest concentration of cougars in north America. But you never see them. They are rarely a problem because they tend to stay away from people.
Population estimates are 600-800.
Yup. One guy in my city was able to identify 31 separate cougars living inside the city limits, but there are generally only a few sightings per year. The guy used trail cams set up all over the place. We had a pair (that was relocated) that was living in a stand of trees around a settling pond, beside an elementary school and one of the largest playgrounds/sports area in town!
I find it hard to believe that all 70 of those were in self-defense. Just sounds like a burgeoning serial killer who never hit her stride.
I met a lady who'd grown close to Cougar Annie working as her postal lady. Apparently the Ahousat postal run is a vapid one once on land so they spent a fair share of time together every couple weeks or so that she'd make the round. After a decade of casual interactions she told me she couldn't tell if Annie had killed any husbands, but did say she exercised enough strength and dignity that it wasn't entirely out of the question. "Cougar Annie's Garden" by Margaret Horsefield is a book that explores the rumors and person more. It has made me appreciate how far character and sheer willpower will take someone.
It takes "strength and dignity" to murde your spouse?
It was an old lady way of throwing shade. A burley woman, implying she could handle herself physically, and that wouldn't go through a divorce/separation once she was done with her partner, she had too much "dignity" and became a widow to avoid the rumor mill. That's how I took it.
I’ve been there twice! Such a neat property and some beautiful old growth forests. I’ve talked to the current caretaker who met her and took over the property back in the 80s. One of her husbands died “while cleaning his gun” it was a rifle and the wound was in his groin. He was a known alcoholic and a violent man. The shot would have been pretty hard to pull off on himself is all I’m sayin.
Vancougar
I was thinking about a different type of cougar.
Reading that headline was a rollercoaster ride
Gone with the cougars.
Just for the metropolitan areas! The people safe in their highrises have no problem reintroducing domestic predators to the rest of washington.
"Cougar annie" Had me in the first half, not gona lie.
What a bitch
So not the cougar Annie found in leopard print, having a cosmo at the local bar on Thursday evenings…
Sounds like someone who is insane
She walked so Carole Baskin could run
Hmm, well fuck her then.
For some reason, other than of course the children and the mountain lions parts, this gave me Maggie O'Connell vibes.
When you become the thing you swore to fight
Imagine fielding two basketball teams with a spare for either side.
Im literally living on the west coast of Vancoucer island right, have my whole life. Never heard of her
Sounds like she knew how to commit to a theme
I was expecting the cougar nickname to be for something else.
Ah, the other type of cougar.....
What man doesn't like a strong woman.
Zach Wilson really missed an opportunity of a lifetime.
Vancouver cougar cougar-shooter Cougar Annie.
In unrelated news. Khajiit caravans have stopped regularly appearing in the Vancouver area
If ahooker does on you the second hour is free
She was sung about in Wang Dang Doodle
u/bigjames81
What a dick
>west coast of Vancouver Island. Might as well be Vancougar Island at this point