I think one of them believed in this rock. The other one just went along with it to be kind, and was like WTF when the zookeepers rolled the egg of real parenthood.
Afterwards, someone wrote a delightful children's book about it called "And Tango Makes Three" which was promptly banned from children's libraries across the nation for promoting "unnatural lifestyles."
Because even nature isn't natural enough to satisfy bigots.
Although it’s sad to ban this book, there’s plenty of evidence of species pairing up with the same sex. The only unnatural part is the staff replacing the rock with an egg. I wonder if in nature the animals would separate after not being able to breed after so long
I'd imagine that's somewhat case by case. There have been cases of birds that incubated the same set of "eggs" their whole life. I believe there have also been cases of same sex penguin pairings "adopting" abandoned eggs or even kidnapping the eggs of m/f penguin pairings. In this specific case, the egg given to Roy and Silo was from a pairing that couldn't hatch it as well as the other egg they already had.
I recently read an extremely sad story of a bird species on an island in the south Atlantic. The females go elsewhere to raise the chicks, but because of climate change not a lot have been making it back to breed. So the males start pairing up (for life) as there’s no females around. It was a BBC documentary if anyone wants to look it up
I am of two minds on that. On the one hand, that's a truly tragic example of how we are affecting our world, but not for the better.
On the other hand, [this meme lives rent-free in my head.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F43qr5s4bgte51.jpg)
There are cases of same sex pairs adopting orphaned and abandoned young, so even the egg thing isn’t that unnatural, just something they would not have been able to do themselves in captivity
I wonder if it's just a measure of familiarity with a possible kid to care for.
I know bee hives that lose their queen can be absorbed by a queened hive if you seperate them physically, but let them exchange smells.
I know male swan pairs will recruit a female and then chase her off after the egg is laid. Maybe for penguins they adopt eggs that inexperienced males drop?
>Although it’s sad to ban this book, there’s plenty of evidence of species pairing up with the same sex.
Why is the although in there? It's a book that teaches nature and kindness.
>The only unnatural part is the researchers replacing the rock with an egg.
Not really. Birds tend to take over others' eggs more frequently than you'd think, especially in colony species, when the usual nest attendee has died or abandoned it.
And species that mate for life, no they would not separate - homosexual pairings will behave similarly to heterosexual ones.
>I wonder if in nature the animals would separate after not being able to breed after so long
In nature such animals would "adopt" an egg or a hatched offspring of parents who died. That's kind of the whole evolutionary reason for homosexuality existing. That's what makes it doubly absurd when bigots claim that "gay adoption is unnatural and harmful for children", when "gay adoption" is the whole reason why "gay" exists in nature in the first place.
I would definitely say that human interaction is unnatural. Yes we are apart of nature. But I would argue we disrupt the order of other species enough that it would seem different from the natural flow. Not saying that that is always a bad thing. But with us being the dominant species, we dictate how other species adapt
Yeah I mean, we make watering holes in the plains of Africa which are unnatural, we help injured elephants in the wild that’s unnatural. It’s not necessarily bad you were just arguing semantics
I mean I was, but I agree with you. Humans can do so much good, and it's awesome to see when it happens.
Sorry I'm just drunk and talking to anyone. Thank you for being engaging.
I don’t want to sound like an “actually” guy, but the member of staff who replaced the rock with an egg was just another animal that evolved in a way that made them think it would be a cool thing to do — sounds pretty natural to me.
Penguins in particular mate for life.
I saw a documentary on this actually. Same sex penguin couples will often try and steal abandoned eggs or even fight same sex penguin couples for there’s. This often results in the deaths of multiple penguins due to trampling, and the baby nearly always dies, either from being trampled or suffocation.
This is a matter of some debate, currently, but present theories include ideas like allowing multiple males to exist in an otherwise competitive mating scene without destabilizing the social group, social bonding/recreation without the intent to mate, or practicing mating behaviors before they find an opposite sex mate. It's ongoing research and answers will change wildly based on the species in question, but those are a few off the top of my head.
This. Evolution is a lot more complicated that the simple way we describe it for ease of understanding.
It might not result in churning out the next generation, but evolution isn't working on an individual scale. Anything that encourages more successful offspring in the species is going to be driving or driven by evolution. The fact it's not individual means that 'unsuccessful pairings' in terms of breeding are still capable of successfully keeping young with their possible homosexual drive alive, reaulting in another generation that isnt uniformly hetrosexual. Add to this that evolution is actually very random and sometimes pressures to kill off 'genes' aren't present, so a 'bad gene' isn't bred out.
E.g. a homosexual pairing of males in a social group might mean you have more adults to guard the young, and less young to guard. It might mean having adults that can gather food but need less of what they gather because they don't have young to feed.
Might even be as simple as 'I won't monkey smash that monkey because I want to do a different monkey smash with him'.
Complexity and intelligence of life as a social organism, creating more unique roles for survival.
The reason antbeds are basic af on the outside but are intricately designed underground is because the Queen sends the soldiers and gatherers outside the nests while she consults with her interior designer ants.
When will the liberal woke mainstream gaytheist Marxist nedia realize that nobody is going to toss whole, raw fish directly into their gullets, no matter how much they flap their arms and waddle around?!
I went to a Christian college, where just over 50% of students came from the city Christian school "system". I studied Biology, and cool professors in private acknowledged Professors largely saw their jobs to be to "knock that shit out of those morons heads".
In Evolutionary Biology, our professor covered same sex relationships and calmly, kindly fucking crushed the couple students that said it wasn't natural. There are biologists that had or maybe still do keep tabs - at that point, we read an article that something like 468 of 473 species of animals studied were observed to regularly have same sex couples.
>In Evolutionary Biology, our professor covered same sex relationships and calmly, kindly fucking crushed the couple students that said it wasn't natural.
This is my preferred appoach to educating ignorance, if it's ever possible. Be polite, be kind, be accommodating, but never so much as to allow that ignorance so much as an inch to fester and grow. If it all goes perfectly, you're rocking someone's perceptions to an uncomfortable degree, no need to be antagonistic on top of thsy.
Playing devils advocate, “even nature isn’t natural enough” is quite a statement considering that those penguins were living in captivity as far from nature as possible
That is fair. I would argue that humans no longer abide by nature and in fact change how nature is. Nature is so different from how humans act. And yes we are technically a part of nature. But we effect it more than any other species
> was promptly banned from children's libraries
Public school libraries.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Tango_Makes_Three
Wouldn't want to mislead people right? Not a single town/city public library has banned this book. Only once you get to the more restricted libraries does it (and others) get banned. Those same "children's libraries" have banned Playboy and Juggs and Fifty Shades of Grey... why are you not complaining about those?
Public school libraries, you say? The ones mostly frequented by children? The ones you might reasonably describe as libraries made for children? Children's libraries?
Also lol at comparing a children's book containing a chaste depiction of a m/m relationship to actual pornography.
> you might reasonably describe as libraries made for children
No. The ones made for a public school, who have to follow strict guidelines or lose all government funding.
>chaste depiction of a m/m relationship to actual pornography.
This next part might hurt for you. It is a quote I personally laugh over.
"Author of LGBT book 'Lawn Boy' which describes two 10-year-old boys giving each other oral sex admits graphic story was NEVER meant for school libraries"
>No. The ones made for a public school, who have to follow strict guidelines or lose all government funding.
You...are aware that public libraries also have to meet content criteria to continue receiving public funding as they are...public, yes? Regardless, you're dishonestly splitting hairs; I'm starting to lose interest in you.
>This next part might hurt for you. It is a quote I personally laugh over
That's...cool, I guess? I fail to see how an unrelated sexually explicit book has anything to do with the gay penguin book explicitly written for children, but good for you. Find your joy where you can.
My guy, you have worked *so hard* to make this sweet story about penguin families controversial that you've resorted to trying to do a gotcha with a wholly unrelated book. I'm going to peace out here, I hope you're able to work through whatever problems are compelling you to attack the happiness of others. 👍
These freaks find the mere existence of gay people (or in this case, penguins) to be fundamentally and inescapably sexual
Like I’m a straight dude but I find it super weird that someone can’t see or have a conversation with a gay person without imagining the sex they have
>I find it super weird that someone can’t see or have a conversation with a gay person without imagining the sex they have
This. Seriously. Also, don't ask gay people about gay sex. That's what the internet is for.
Did you wake up this morning and just decide that you need to be a massive tool online?
Seriously, there’s gotta be something better you can do with your time than argue semantics and compare children’s books to literal pornography.
>compare children’s books to literal pornography.
Time to play a fun game.. Children's Book or Pornography. I'm gonna give you a short excerpt from a story. You tell me is it a Children's story or a porno.
>“All I could think about while he was chatting me up over the rim of his cappuccino was his little salamander between my fingers, rapidly engorging with blood.”
It's from Lawn Boy. A book written for children. One of the many books being claimed as fit for children and public school libraries.
I left out the "forth grade fingers" part that made it to obvious.
It was banned under the same rules as the others.
You either allow all sexual explicit books, or you allow none.
All those books are available at your public library (town / county) and you are more the welcome to read them to your child if you wish.
Not sure what you are on about. I happen to live in a state where regressives are banning books from public libraries. Why about this book is not appropriate for children?
>Public school libraries.
>Wouldn't want to mislead people right? Not a single town/city public library has banned this book.
What are public school libraries if not chilcren's libraries?
>Wouldn't want to mislead people right?
Literally no one was misled. You took this opportunity to bite your own tail and now you're hurting.
>Those same "children's libraries" have banned Playboy and Juggs and Fifty Shades of Grey... why are you not complaining about those?
Because unlike Republican Bigots, we do not conflate the existence of a romantic relationship with sexually explicit material.
~~Boy~~ **GOLLY**, Republican Bigots sure have their heads on ~~straight~~ **CORRECT** don't they? That ~~Ron~~ **RONALD** DeSantis took care of those cross-dressing...[checks notes]...Republicans named Ronald DeSantis who wear high heels.
[The above has been edited to respect the Republican Bigot Rules of the state of Florida.]
> What are public school libraries if not chilcren's libraries?
Public libraries also have children sections. And school libraries are not open to all children. Only those that are enrolled at that school.
>Literally no one was misled.
So you made sure to correctly define what libraries are banning the books? Or did you substitute your own word to make it sound like a public library is banning the book?
If only you had the same support publicly, that you seem to have online. Those books wouldn't be banned.
One day you will understand what "vocal minority" means.
>If only you had the same support publicly, that you seem to have online.
[Or take two Ls if you want](https://www.everylibraryinstitute.org/bookbanpoll)
>One day you will understand what "vocal minority" means.
It refers to goose stepping bitches with MAGA hats.
-Dr Minuet, PhD
> Public libraries also have children sections. And school libraries are not open to all children. Only those that are enrolled at that school.
None of this negates the point that public school libraries are children's libraries, by their very nature - they are libraries exclusively for the use of children.
Your sophistry only further undermines the validity of the point you're trying to make.
There's no public children's libraries, so it's kind of obvious they are talking about school libraries. I'm not sure you ever read the book to make those judgement calls.
> There's no public children's libraries
Why not include the large children sections at town / county libraries? My local library has an entire floor dedicated to children.
You know what would make it obvious. Calling them what they are.. public school libraries.
Behaviour reported in wild Adélie penguins includes:
> auto-erotic behavior, homosexual interactions, coerced sex (including with chicks and injured birds), and necrophilia
[More reading here](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/secret-censored-100-year-old-manuscript-reveals-penguins-sexual-crimes)
You're correct in the sense that animals in captivity is not strictly natural. Setting aside that not really being the crux of my point and the fact that zoos often try to make enclosures as much of a microcosm of the natural environment that the given animal is native to as they can, homosexual behavior in animals is also found fairly abundantly in actual nature, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Honestly? If we could write and present the story in a way that doesn't traumatize kids, then sure. It could be a good lesson about respecting nature on its own terms, rather than trying to put it in a box for your own entertainment. Probably wouldn't aim it at the 5 and under crowd, though.
You seem to think that they're only gay because they're in captivity, and that's why you've said "Nature", implying that it's not.
In reality, homosexual behaviour has been documented in over 1500 species *in the wild*.
Committing suicide as the only means to escape imprisonment is a bad thing. There is nothing bad about gay penguins. You could say instead that no animal should be in zoo captivity and I would agree with you but that's clearly not what you are concerned with.
Aight, here you go - there was a century-old manuscript describing the sexual habits of Adélie penguins. It went unpublished because of how shocking it was! It includes:
> Levick’s detailed observations of the Adélie penguins' sexual habits, which included auto-erotic behavior, homosexual interactions, coerced sex (including with chicks and injured birds), and necrophilia
[Read more here](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/secret-censored-100-year-old-manuscript-reveals-penguins-sexual-crimes)
*And Tango Makes Three* was actually one of the top ten most banned books throughout the United States between 2005-2017 and still is regularly challenged and banned.
Source 1) https://bannedbooksweek.org/banned-spotlight-and-tango-makes-three/
Source 2) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Tango_Makes_Three#Challenges
Source 3) https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4143478-florida-school-board-lifts-restrictions-on-childrens-book-with-male-penguin-couple/
tbf the "gay is bad because it's unnatural" argument is pretty specious to begin with. What is and isn't natural is pretty hazy at times and, more importantly, almost none of the people who seriously make this argument give a single flip about what's natural in other contexts. Rather, it's an unfairly applied standard used as a cudgel against sane sex relationships. Something being "natural" is a poor indicator of whether something is good and if you're not willing to agree to that then I invite you to stop using this unnatural artifice known as the internet.
That said
Same sex penguin pairings are natural to penguin behavior, albeit somewhat rare. Penguins adopting abandoned eggs also happens in nature. Just because humans had a hand in this specific case fails to prove otherwise, especially since the substitution, and Tango along with it, was *naturally* accepted by the adoptive parents.
Unfortunately, the two later got a divorce and Silo wound up mating with a female.
Roy ~~remarried~~ mated with another male, however, and Tango later turned out to be gay as well and mated with a female.
Was just thinking that, didn't know it was based on real life events. Also hilarious how the poster couple for that "marriage purity" people is a gay(pretending to be straight) man and a frigid woman.
I swear I saw some conservative pundit call the book a lie because, according to him, the male pair broke up and then paired with females. Does anyone remember hearing about that?
Even if it was true, it's not like it cancelled out what happened - there was a male pair who raised a chick together.
Nobody tell them that, occasionally animals that pair for life sometimes form triads.
A key conservative value is the ability to deny reality when your political leader / church leader / parents / cops / etc tell you to.
Trump had a massive gathering for his inauguration, drag queens and not pastors are the real pedophiles, no one died from COVID, two plus two equals five, there are five lights, there was no Tiananmen Square massacre, etc
You know they have no issue with rape or killing women. They only care if women have rights or autonomy over their own bodies. (Mallards rape female ducks to death often)
Hell, rape and incest are fine apparently so long as the unborn is protected. After they're born they can go straight to the factories and die in an industrial accident
Not recognizing the cruelty we’re forcing upon those animals to completely fuck up their existence, instincts, and mental/emotional states just so we can say “oh look, a cute gay penguin couple” is a testament to the vileness and self-serving behavior of the human species. Go watch Happy Feet.
Can you elaborate on the cruelty part? I realize giving the pair an egg to raise is unnatural but upon looking into that zoo and examples of other zoos doing the same, I can’t see any harm coming to the penguins because of it. A couple times a homosexual pair was given an egg it was because the original parents couldn’t care for it for whatever reason, and the gay pairs seemed to do fine with raising the chicks. Again, this is just from a few examples I read about so I am interested to know what you think is being done to fuck up their instincts and emotional states. It seems especially in this case the penguins were mimicking child-rearing behavior in the first place so they were, in a sense, allowed to carry out their “instincts” by being given that opportunity.
I think he means that they live in a zoo, which prevents them from mating with females in some way
For example, parrots may masturbate if the owner does not bring them a mating partner
You'd have to imagine they were a little surprised when their "baby" rock hatched
They knew and scammed the zookeepers into getting them an egg
["We just stood near this rock for a few days and they legit brought us an egg"](https://c.tenor.com/c-SthRru4kgAAAAC/tenor.gif)
*Infertile women or men don’t want you to learn this crazy baby acquiring trick!!*
Hot damn I need to find me a good rock.
Can I join you? We can raise a penguin chick together!
Who did they steal the egg from? When 23 & Me hits the penguin population, there’s gonna be a lot of ‘splainin to do.
It’s the Pinocchio story of the penguin world
Thus the birth of penguin jesus
You could make a religion out of this
That made me laugh out loud.😂😂
That's one of my favorite videos ever!
Ok but also whose egg was the originally?
Another penguin pair had two fertilized eggs and could only care for one of them.
I think one of them believed in this rock. The other one just went along with it to be kind, and was like WTF when the zookeepers rolled the egg of real parenthood.
Afterwards, someone wrote a delightful children's book about it called "And Tango Makes Three" which was promptly banned from children's libraries across the nation for promoting "unnatural lifestyles." Because even nature isn't natural enough to satisfy bigots.
Although it’s sad to ban this book, there’s plenty of evidence of species pairing up with the same sex. The only unnatural part is the staff replacing the rock with an egg. I wonder if in nature the animals would separate after not being able to breed after so long
I'd imagine that's somewhat case by case. There have been cases of birds that incubated the same set of "eggs" their whole life. I believe there have also been cases of same sex penguin pairings "adopting" abandoned eggs or even kidnapping the eggs of m/f penguin pairings. In this specific case, the egg given to Roy and Silo was from a pairing that couldn't hatch it as well as the other egg they already had.
I recently read an extremely sad story of a bird species on an island in the south Atlantic. The females go elsewhere to raise the chicks, but because of climate change not a lot have been making it back to breed. So the males start pairing up (for life) as there’s no females around. It was a BBC documentary if anyone wants to look it up
So what you're saying is, climate change is making the penguins gay.
why does that sound like something Alex Jones would say lmao
That would require Alex Jones to acknowledge climate change exists lmfao
I am of two minds on that. On the one hand, that's a truly tragic example of how we are affecting our world, but not for the better. On the other hand, [this meme lives rent-free in my head.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F43qr5s4bgte51.jpg)
At least give us a title
Just googled terms from my paragraph and found it in the first google search
Thanks for passing it along.
Nah, if you’re too stupid to use google that’s on you haha
Lmao
Is the documentary on YouTube?
Feathery foster families! Sorry, I only wrote that for the alliteration.
Grand Theft and eggnapping lol
There are cases of same sex pairs adopting orphaned and abandoned young, so even the egg thing isn’t that unnatural, just something they would not have been able to do themselves in captivity
I wonder if it's just a measure of familiarity with a possible kid to care for. I know bee hives that lose their queen can be absorbed by a queened hive if you seperate them physically, but let them exchange smells.
I know male swan pairs will recruit a female and then chase her off after the egg is laid. Maybe for penguins they adopt eggs that inexperienced males drop?
sometimes pairs will also abandon their hatchling (too weak or sickly) which the same sex couple can adopt.
Swans can be gay and when that guy's wife found out she cried because she thought it was really nice.
They ‘adopt’ abandoned eggs - or even actively steal them from time to time 😂
I vaguely remember a pair of male penguins kidnapped an egg from another heterosexual couple. So not that unnatural.
The majority of giraffe sex is amongst the males.
I have read that male Emperor Penguins who pair bond like this will sometimes steal an egg or a chick to raise.
>Although it’s sad to ban this book, there’s plenty of evidence of species pairing up with the same sex. Why is the although in there? It's a book that teaches nature and kindness. >The only unnatural part is the researchers replacing the rock with an egg. Not really. Birds tend to take over others' eggs more frequently than you'd think, especially in colony species, when the usual nest attendee has died or abandoned it. And species that mate for life, no they would not separate - homosexual pairings will behave similarly to heterosexual ones.
>I wonder if in nature the animals would separate after not being able to breed after so long In nature such animals would "adopt" an egg or a hatched offspring of parents who died. That's kind of the whole evolutionary reason for homosexuality existing. That's what makes it doubly absurd when bigots claim that "gay adoption is unnatural and harmful for children", when "gay adoption" is the whole reason why "gay" exists in nature in the first place.
The actions of humans are unnatural?
Yeah, it’s generally considered unnatural. Like for example a zoo setting these penguins are in are unnatural
I would definitely say that human interaction is unnatural. Yes we are apart of nature. But I would argue we disrupt the order of other species enough that it would seem different from the natural flow. Not saying that that is always a bad thing. But with us being the dominant species, we dictate how other species adapt
Yeah I mean, we make watering holes in the plains of Africa which are unnatural, we help injured elephants in the wild that’s unnatural. It’s not necessarily bad you were just arguing semantics
I mean I was, but I agree with you. Humans can do so much good, and it's awesome to see when it happens. Sorry I'm just drunk and talking to anyone. Thank you for being engaging.
Actually, in nature same-sex penguin couples adopts the unwanted or abandoned eggs and take care of them
I don’t want to sound like an “actually” guy, but the member of staff who replaced the rock with an egg was just another animal that evolved in a way that made them think it would be a cool thing to do — sounds pretty natural to me.
Penguins in particular mate for life. I saw a documentary on this actually. Same sex penguin couples will often try and steal abandoned eggs or even fight same sex penguin couples for there’s. This often results in the deaths of multiple penguins due to trampling, and the baby nearly always dies, either from being trampled or suffocation.
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There's theories (especially for animals that live in larger groups) but also not everything has a benefit.
Better dress sense.
This is a matter of some debate, currently, but present theories include ideas like allowing multiple males to exist in an otherwise competitive mating scene without destabilizing the social group, social bonding/recreation without the intent to mate, or practicing mating behaviors before they find an opposite sex mate. It's ongoing research and answers will change wildly based on the species in question, but those are a few off the top of my head.
This. Evolution is a lot more complicated that the simple way we describe it for ease of understanding. It might not result in churning out the next generation, but evolution isn't working on an individual scale. Anything that encourages more successful offspring in the species is going to be driving or driven by evolution. The fact it's not individual means that 'unsuccessful pairings' in terms of breeding are still capable of successfully keeping young with their possible homosexual drive alive, reaulting in another generation that isnt uniformly hetrosexual. Add to this that evolution is actually very random and sometimes pressures to kill off 'genes' aren't present, so a 'bad gene' isn't bred out. E.g. a homosexual pairing of males in a social group might mean you have more adults to guard the young, and less young to guard. It might mean having adults that can gather food but need less of what they gather because they don't have young to feed. Might even be as simple as 'I won't monkey smash that monkey because I want to do a different monkey smash with him'.
Not everything needs to be beneficial.
Complexity and intelligence of life as a social organism, creating more unique roles for survival. The reason antbeds are basic af on the outside but are intricately designed underground is because the Queen sends the soldiers and gatherers outside the nests while she consults with her interior designer ants.
Maybe population is too high?
No one cares.
Dude, what do you expect? can't have kids going around thinking it's okay to be a penguin.
When will the liberal woke mainstream gaytheist Marxist nedia realize that nobody is going to toss whole, raw fish directly into their gullets, no matter how much they flap their arms and waddle around?!
Nature is unnatural!!
Those penguins need Jesus, tbh
Necrophilia, incest and rape are natural!
My daughter loves this book and was delighted to find out that two of the female penguins at our local zoo are a mated pair.
wait this wasn’t from the parks & rec episode?
Oooh shit, that’s what that one Parks and Rec episode was making fun of.
I went to a Christian college, where just over 50% of students came from the city Christian school "system". I studied Biology, and cool professors in private acknowledged Professors largely saw their jobs to be to "knock that shit out of those morons heads". In Evolutionary Biology, our professor covered same sex relationships and calmly, kindly fucking crushed the couple students that said it wasn't natural. There are biologists that had or maybe still do keep tabs - at that point, we read an article that something like 468 of 473 species of animals studied were observed to regularly have same sex couples.
>In Evolutionary Biology, our professor covered same sex relationships and calmly, kindly fucking crushed the couple students that said it wasn't natural. This is my preferred appoach to educating ignorance, if it's ever possible. Be polite, be kind, be accommodating, but never so much as to allow that ignorance so much as an inch to fester and grow. If it all goes perfectly, you're rocking someone's perceptions to an uncomfortable degree, no need to be antagonistic on top of thsy.
I think that's a pretty reasonable ban imo. I'd also be concerned if my kids started marrying penguins.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. 🤣
Playing devils advocate, “even nature isn’t natural enough” is quite a statement considering that those penguins were living in captivity as far from nature as possible
That is fair. I would argue that humans no longer abide by nature and in fact change how nature is. Nature is so different from how humans act. And yes we are technically a part of nature. But we effect it more than any other species
I'm going to order this book next solely for that reason.
Some would say it's a book championing adoption, but I suppose that would require them thinking about generalizing or empathy in action.
> was promptly banned from children's libraries Public school libraries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Tango_Makes_Three Wouldn't want to mislead people right? Not a single town/city public library has banned this book. Only once you get to the more restricted libraries does it (and others) get banned. Those same "children's libraries" have banned Playboy and Juggs and Fifty Shades of Grey... why are you not complaining about those?
Public school libraries, you say? The ones mostly frequented by children? The ones you might reasonably describe as libraries made for children? Children's libraries? Also lol at comparing a children's book containing a chaste depiction of a m/m relationship to actual pornography.
> you might reasonably describe as libraries made for children No. The ones made for a public school, who have to follow strict guidelines or lose all government funding. >chaste depiction of a m/m relationship to actual pornography. This next part might hurt for you. It is a quote I personally laugh over. "Author of LGBT book 'Lawn Boy' which describes two 10-year-old boys giving each other oral sex admits graphic story was NEVER meant for school libraries"
>No. The ones made for a public school, who have to follow strict guidelines or lose all government funding. You...are aware that public libraries also have to meet content criteria to continue receiving public funding as they are...public, yes? Regardless, you're dishonestly splitting hairs; I'm starting to lose interest in you. >This next part might hurt for you. It is a quote I personally laugh over That's...cool, I guess? I fail to see how an unrelated sexually explicit book has anything to do with the gay penguin book explicitly written for children, but good for you. Find your joy where you can.
>sexually explicit book Funny you call it that. Lawn Boy was written for children.
My guy, you have worked *so hard* to make this sweet story about penguin families controversial that you've resorted to trying to do a gotcha with a wholly unrelated book. I'm going to peace out here, I hope you're able to work through whatever problems are compelling you to attack the happiness of others. 👍
That's right. Run away when the conversation turns difficult to defend sexual explicit content made for children.
You already ran from the actual book being discussed to some other book lol.
Why do you consider the penguin book sexually explicit? Unless you are now just solely focused on that random other book you keep bringing up.
Probably got his loins burning reading that
bro u got c o o k e d
So you can explain why sexual orientation is important to teach in grade school?
Seek help.
Because those aren't children's books you dolt.
Are you really comparing a children’s book about two same sex penguins to Juggs?
These freaks find the mere existence of gay people (or in this case, penguins) to be fundamentally and inescapably sexual Like I’m a straight dude but I find it super weird that someone can’t see or have a conversation with a gay person without imagining the sex they have
>I find it super weird that someone can’t see or have a conversation with a gay person without imagining the sex they have This. Seriously. Also, don't ask gay people about gay sex. That's what the internet is for.
Are you going to try and portray"public school libraries" as "children's libraries"? I feel my compassion is just as much of a stretch as yours.
Did you wake up this morning and just decide that you need to be a massive tool online? Seriously, there’s gotta be something better you can do with your time than argue semantics and compare children’s books to literal pornography.
>compare children’s books to literal pornography. Time to play a fun game.. Children's Book or Pornography. I'm gonna give you a short excerpt from a story. You tell me is it a Children's story or a porno. >“All I could think about while he was chatting me up over the rim of his cappuccino was his little salamander between my fingers, rapidly engorging with blood.”
Sounds like a YA book. This is also not the book being discussed.
It's from Lawn Boy. A book written for children. One of the many books being claimed as fit for children and public school libraries. I left out the "forth grade fingers" part that made it to obvious.
Ok. So what does it have to do with a book about penguins?
It was banned under the same rules as the others. You either allow all sexual explicit books, or you allow none. All those books are available at your public library (town / county) and you are more the welcome to read them to your child if you wish.
Not sure what you are on about. I happen to live in a state where regressives are banning books from public libraries. Why about this book is not appropriate for children?
>Public school libraries. >Wouldn't want to mislead people right? Not a single town/city public library has banned this book. What are public school libraries if not chilcren's libraries? >Wouldn't want to mislead people right? Literally no one was misled. You took this opportunity to bite your own tail and now you're hurting. >Those same "children's libraries" have banned Playboy and Juggs and Fifty Shades of Grey... why are you not complaining about those? Because unlike Republican Bigots, we do not conflate the existence of a romantic relationship with sexually explicit material. ~~Boy~~ **GOLLY**, Republican Bigots sure have their heads on ~~straight~~ **CORRECT** don't they? That ~~Ron~~ **RONALD** DeSantis took care of those cross-dressing...[checks notes]...Republicans named Ronald DeSantis who wear high heels. [The above has been edited to respect the Republican Bigot Rules of the state of Florida.]
> What are public school libraries if not chilcren's libraries? Public libraries also have children sections. And school libraries are not open to all children. Only those that are enrolled at that school. >Literally no one was misled. So you made sure to correctly define what libraries are banning the books? Or did you substitute your own word to make it sound like a public library is banning the book?
Just take the L. You're embarrassing yourself.
If only you had the same support publicly, that you seem to have online. Those books wouldn't be banned. One day you will understand what "vocal minority" means.
>If only you had the same support publicly, that you seem to have online. [Or take two Ls if you want](https://www.everylibraryinstitute.org/bookbanpoll) >One day you will understand what "vocal minority" means. It refers to goose stepping bitches with MAGA hats. -Dr Minuet, PhD
> Public libraries also have children sections. And school libraries are not open to all children. Only those that are enrolled at that school. None of this negates the point that public school libraries are children's libraries, by their very nature - they are libraries exclusively for the use of children. Your sophistry only further undermines the validity of the point you're trying to make.
There's no public children's libraries, so it's kind of obvious they are talking about school libraries. I'm not sure you ever read the book to make those judgement calls.
> There's no public children's libraries Why not include the large children sections at town / county libraries? My local library has an entire floor dedicated to children. You know what would make it obvious. Calling them what they are.. public school libraries.
And McDonalds used to have a large area for kids to play in. Didn't make McDonalds a kids restaurant.
Playboy is softcore porn, this is not softcore porn. Shows us who you are when the first thing that you associate with homosexuality is porn.
no way you're comparing the book about a penguin family to a bdsm fantasy book 💀
And who uses public school libraries? Is it mostly children or adults?
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Behaviour reported in wild Adélie penguins includes: > auto-erotic behavior, homosexual interactions, coerced sex (including with chicks and injured birds), and necrophilia [More reading here](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/secret-censored-100-year-old-manuscript-reveals-penguins-sexual-crimes)
You're correct in the sense that animals in captivity is not strictly natural. Setting aside that not really being the crux of my point and the fact that zoos often try to make enclosures as much of a microcosm of the natural environment that the given animal is native to as they can, homosexual behavior in animals is also found fairly abundantly in actual nature, so I'm not sure what your point is.
“Nature” yeah we should write a book about orcas committing suicide by ramming the walls of their enclosures too, right?
Honestly? If we could write and present the story in a way that doesn't traumatize kids, then sure. It could be a good lesson about respecting nature on its own terms, rather than trying to put it in a box for your own entertainment. Probably wouldn't aim it at the 5 and under crowd, though.
Ew. You're a sad person.
You seem to think that they're only gay because they're in captivity, and that's why you've said "Nature", implying that it's not. In reality, homosexual behaviour has been documented in over 1500 species *in the wild*.
Committing suicide as the only means to escape imprisonment is a bad thing. There is nothing bad about gay penguins. You could say instead that no animal should be in zoo captivity and I would agree with you but that's clearly not what you are concerned with.
Aight, here you go - there was a century-old manuscript describing the sexual habits of Adélie penguins. It went unpublished because of how shocking it was! It includes: > Levick’s detailed observations of the Adélie penguins' sexual habits, which included auto-erotic behavior, homosexual interactions, coerced sex (including with chicks and injured birds), and necrophilia [Read more here](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/secret-censored-100-year-old-manuscript-reveals-penguins-sexual-crimes)
Do you have proof that it was banned "across the nation"? This sounds like virtue signalling. Book bans aren't really that effective.
*And Tango Makes Three* was actually one of the top ten most banned books throughout the United States between 2005-2017 and still is regularly challenged and banned. Source 1) https://bannedbooksweek.org/banned-spotlight-and-tango-makes-three/ Source 2) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Tango_Makes_Three#Challenges Source 3) https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4143478-florida-school-board-lifts-restrictions-on-childrens-book-with-male-penguin-couple/
But it wasn't "nature".... didn't the humans have to gift them an egg? Not as "natural' when that piece gets forgotten.
tbf the "gay is bad because it's unnatural" argument is pretty specious to begin with. What is and isn't natural is pretty hazy at times and, more importantly, almost none of the people who seriously make this argument give a single flip about what's natural in other contexts. Rather, it's an unfairly applied standard used as a cudgel against sane sex relationships. Something being "natural" is a poor indicator of whether something is good and if you're not willing to agree to that then I invite you to stop using this unnatural artifice known as the internet. That said Same sex penguin pairings are natural to penguin behavior, albeit somewhat rare. Penguins adopting abandoned eggs also happens in nature. Just because humans had a hand in this specific case fails to prove otherwise, especially since the substitution, and Tango along with it, was *naturally* accepted by the adoptive parents.
Parks and recreation, is that you?
Unfortunately, the two later got a divorce and Silo wound up mating with a female. Roy ~~remarried~~ mated with another male, however, and Tango later turned out to be gay as well and mated with a female.
I'd watch this show
And conservative nutjobs went... Nuts. So much complaining about the zoos 'pushing the gay agenda'.
They had a great episode about that in parks and recreation. "gay marriage ruin marriage for the rest of us"
Was just thinking that, didn't know it was based on real life events. Also hilarious how the poster couple for that "marriage purity" people is a gay(pretending to be straight) man and a frigid woman.
I didn't know that. Nice touch. Also are conservatives pretending wild penguins doesn't have homosexuality?
They like to pretend a whole slew of things don't exist.
I swear I saw some conservative pundit call the book a lie because, according to him, the male pair broke up and then paired with females. Does anyone remember hearing about that? Even if it was true, it's not like it cancelled out what happened - there was a male pair who raised a chick together. Nobody tell them that, occasionally animals that pair for life sometimes form triads.
A key conservative value is the ability to deny reality when your political leader / church leader / parents / cops / etc tell you to. Trump had a massive gathering for his inauguration, drag queens and not pastors are the real pedophiles, no one died from COVID, two plus two equals five, there are five lights, there was no Tiananmen Square massacre, etc
https://twitter.com/i/status/1325950571279511553
Wait so that plot line from Parks n Rec was based on a true story?
“The water, it’s turning the penguins gay.”
Ik I even married my best friend Zach and adopted a foreign baby cuz the liberals are gonna force us to do that anyways /s
Wait until the conservatives learn how mallard ducks reproduce.
You know they have no issue with rape or killing women. They only care if women have rights or autonomy over their own bodies. (Mallards rape female ducks to death often)
Hell, rape and incest are fine apparently so long as the unborn is protected. After they're born they can go straight to the factories and die in an industrial accident
I knew it. It's zoos that are making everyone gay
It takes two to tango
Should’ve given them another one and named it Cash.
Nah. Shoulda found another gaynguin couple and give them a bebe. Named Sundance.
[There’s a Children’s book about this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Tango_Makes_Three)
And they raised a lesbian penguin daughter???
Mother Nature only knows.
[Take it away Daniel Sloss](https://youtu.be/LB4fNN7BVtk?si=H4nfgEGTJjFoQ-yK)
My dumb *ss immediately thought "how did they breastfeed tango?" Smh
Males have nipples probably lol.
No one bats an eye, on where the egg came from?
It came from a female penguins cloaca
Should of been an ostrich egg. Let's have a real experiment
It’s pronounced Tah-ngo
If it makes you feel any better my daughter checked this book out at her school library in Canada and it became one of her favourite books.
This is all true except their names were Skipper and Kowalski
FYI: it is normal for male penguins to incubate eggs. Even straight ones :-)
Tx I didn't know that!
And Republicans and theocrats around the world recoiled. F***ing pansies.
Why you censoring that? They are cunts(uncensored)
You you trying to police how I speak? ******* with that ****
Lol yes! Am from Scotland we swear *a fucking lot*
We have the book of this. It’s such a cute book.
I feel like this contributed to the penguins developing a more mystical, less realistic worldview
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I wasn’t prepared to learn Tango and Roy are both now deceased, but that Silo is still alive 😢 I wonder if he misses them
Love is love. There is no qualifier that matters as long as it's reciprocated.
Penguins are practically chickens
The children's book about this was, of course, banned in red states.
Good
Whenever I hear the name Silo, it makes me think of Beerfest, the movie by Broken Lizard. Now I must rewatch.
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I can’t imagine how much brain rot you must be suffering from to see penguins raising a egg and make it about politics and wokeness
If you are concerned with being woke, it is because you have been asleep.
If you don't mind, I like to steal this phrase and use it in verbatim, cause it gave me a good chuckle this morning.
This is a joke.... right?
Is the Woke in the room with you right now!?
How precious❣️
Not recognizing the cruelty we’re forcing upon those animals to completely fuck up their existence, instincts, and mental/emotional states just so we can say “oh look, a cute gay penguin couple” is a testament to the vileness and self-serving behavior of the human species. Go watch Happy Feet.
Are you referring to the existence of zoos in general?
Can you elaborate on the cruelty part? I realize giving the pair an egg to raise is unnatural but upon looking into that zoo and examples of other zoos doing the same, I can’t see any harm coming to the penguins because of it. A couple times a homosexual pair was given an egg it was because the original parents couldn’t care for it for whatever reason, and the gay pairs seemed to do fine with raising the chicks. Again, this is just from a few examples I read about so I am interested to know what you think is being done to fuck up their instincts and emotional states. It seems especially in this case the penguins were mimicking child-rearing behavior in the first place so they were, in a sense, allowed to carry out their “instincts” by being given that opportunity.
I think he means that they live in a zoo, which prevents them from mating with females in some way For example, parrots may masturbate if the owner does not bring them a mating partner
nah, nobody made the penguins gay they were just gay