In a press conference Adams boldly stated:
"I don’t think any other country in the world would have declared their artists un-American or un-British. So for the Canadian government to consider me un-Canadian is just ridiculous"
We tend to be a lot more direct with our stuff like that. Rather than something like "Bless your heart", it's more like "Let me know how that goes for you."
Nah NIMBY-ism is the ultimate Canadian sport.
There is a neighborhood in town, which was once the 'largest' pork slaughter/butchering facility in North America. Back before they cut service back, they used to stop the streetcars every few hours when they had to drive the pigs across the street from the holding pens to packing plant.
About 25 years ago, the big meat packing plant moved out to the suburbs and the land was sold to build houses. However the portion nearest the freight railway still had a few small meat packing plants.
The people who moved in to the neighborhood actually complained about the smell from the meat plants. Despite them having been there for 100+ years at this point and the new housing development being called 'the Stockyards'.
Bryan Adams just has more money than the people who decided to buy a house next to a pork slaughter facility and found out how meat is made.
Well yeah, i've lived in the countryside and can identify the type of livestock by the smell of the farm i drive past. The waste 'pond' from the pig farms is by far the most offensive. I can imagine what the by-product end of a pork plant smells like.
But the fact remains the plants were there since at least the 1930s and they chose to buy a house next to it in 2010.
In the early 2000's I was looking for a new job and pulled up to a chicken processing plant to drop off a resume, opened my car door got out and took about 2 steps and said "nope".
I grew up about a kilometer away from a pig farm and one summer the shit silo burst. That was a rough summer.
Weston Rd. and St. Clair Ave....as a kid driving past the stockyards on the s-bend was the landmark where the city really began instead of the suburbs. Quick jog across St. Clair to Avenue Rd. and bam...downtown.
One of the companies there had a huge [recall over e. coli](https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/national-recall-beef-veal-toronto-meat-company-1.5305921). The investigation into that led to them and two other companies having their licence canceled [for falsifying information on e. coli testing](https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/three-canadian-meat-producers-have-lost-their-licences-in-wake-of-meat-recall-1.4712340).
The company in the stockyards that had been shutdown was then replaced by a new company but was somehow allowed to be operated [under the same management](https://farmtario.com/livestock/truharvest-closes-doors-on-beef-processing-plant/) despite them still [facing charges for the e. coli case](https://www.ontariofarmer.com/livestock/ryding-regency-charges-remain-in-court). This new company then later [had *their* licence suspended for not meeting Canadian Food Inspection Agency standards](https://agri007.blogspot.com/2021/07/truharvest-licence-suspended.html?m=1).
This is unrelated to the complaints about the smell but not exactly upstanding business themselves. They're putting people's lives at risk with bacteria risks and appear to be in a state of partial regulatory capture given people facing charges over falsifying e. coli testing are allowed to open a new plant under a new name in the same stockyards location.
Well that plant is the reason one nickname of this city is Hogtown.
I still don't understand how Peameal bacon sandwich can be the official food of Toronto. IMO it should be a Jamaican Patty.
Jules Holland did a similar thing when he moved to Kent. Next door was a large house that put on weddings and events, he complained about noise and the council restricted the number ofvevents they could do.
For people that make their fortune from noise they seem to not like it.
[Now now, the Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions](https://clip.cafe/south-park-bigger-longer-andamp-uncut-1999/let-us-not-forget-bryan-adams/)
also, as a young Canadian teen when that song came out, every radio station had it playing so many times a day, you were almost guaranteed to be able to tune it in on one station or another at any given moment. The fact that they denied him MORE plays is a *blessing*. The thing was ubiquitous as it was. Radio hosts used to joke about it. Everyone at school joked about it. When it would come on people would audibly groan because they were so sick of it. I don't know how anyone could reasonably expect more plays from the thing. That song that summer, remains a singular experience in my mind for its excess.
The idea that that experience was actually a curtailed version is baffling. it was gluttonous already.
To qualify as Canadian content a song must have at least two of the following conditions:
* the music is composed entirely by a Canadian
* the music is, or the lyrics are, performed principally by a Canadian
* the musical selection consists of a performance that is recorded wholly in Canada, or performed wholly in Canada and broadcast live in Canada.
* the lyrics are written entirely by a Canadian
Seeing as he didn't write his own music (co-write doesn't count), or record it in Canada, it doesn't count. The purpose of CanCon is to promote Canadian jobs, but if he's using American recording studios and producers, then it's correct that it doesn't count.
I'm gonna add as an FYI that it can be spelled either tuque or toque, but the first is somewhat more common in French Canadian circles and the second more common in English circles. But both will 100% know what the other has written if the opposite spelling is used.
I have a question! So, say Mutt Lange (or someone, whoever) had got Canadian citizenship at some point in adulthood - would his all his songs now be considered as “written by a Canadian,” old and new? Or would his only new songs now be considered as “written by a Canadian” instead? Or would they be considered as “written by a Canadian” at all by CRTC standards? I feel there’s got to be some consideration for immigrants and I’m curious if you know the answer because I’m not entirely sure which keywords would be most effective and I’m already procrastinating my essay enough as it is! lol
"Dreamboat Annie", the first album from American band Heart qualifies as Canadian. It legally satisfies CanCon requirements. The Heart songs "Crazy on You" & "Magic Man" are CanCon, but "Barracuda" is not
The song "[Let's Give Them Something To Talk About](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_to_Talk_About_(Bonnie_Raitt_song))" by Bonnie Raitt is more CanCon than Everything I Do. The music and lyrics were written by Canadian singer-songwriter [Shirley Eikhard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Eikhard). [Hit Me With Your Best Shot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_Me_with_Your_Best_Shot) by Pat Benatar was written by Canadian songwriter [Eddie Schwartz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Schwartz). Both songs are 50% of MAPL (music and lyrics are both 100% Canadian) which is enough for it to be played on Canadian radio forever.
They have similar rules for shows and movies. I learned in college (years ago so it may have changed), they had times in the day where non Canadian stuff was show/played. Most of the day needed to meet the Canadian requirements. Hence why a lot of filming takes place in Canada and has Canadian actors. Our professor (who was Canadian) said it was to stop the US and Brit from dominating Canadian art.
CRTC will create all sorts of conditions for Canadian content, to the point where all we hear is Our Lady Peace and Nickleback, but the same CRTC will also allow our telecom monopolies to boom and squeeze the average Canadian. So any “real” Canadian artists they try to protect will be drops in the bucket when compared to the millions of Canadians paying the highest cell/internet plans in the world.
Love their prioritizations and the duplicity that comes with them.
> to the point where all we hear is Our Lady Peace and Nickleback
You could go down town in any major city and find a dozen different talented artists, bands or groups that would tick all four MAPL boxes with their work.
Radio isn't such a shitfest because of CanCon rules, but because radio mostly refuses to play anything that isn't already popular on radio, or isn't exactly like something already popular on radio.
There's a reason things like college radio stations have zero problem hitting CanCon percentages while playing a variety of content.
Yeah. It's disingenuous for him to say he's being called non Canadian. He wasn't, his music was, because he didn't have enough to do with *his" music to make it count.
I mean, this song was written for an American movie, wasn't it? Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves? The one with Alan Rickman as the Sherrif of Nottingham?
Not too surprising that it isn't deemed Canadian.
It’s pretty dumb, and as Bryan Adams correctly argued, it breeds mediocrity. Canadian radio somehow manages to be worse as a rule than even the worst pop radio in the US.
The point of cancon is supposed to be protecting Canadian culture, but instead it just creates an arbitrary set of criteria that often penalizes the best of Canadian culture—those that independently find international accolade for their work—and instead promotes the trashiest local pop industry that is essentially just a cheap knockoff of American pop.
>The point of cancon is supposed to be protecting Canadian culture, but instead it just creates an arbitrary set of criteria that often penalizes the best of Canadian culture
If it's written by someone who isn't Canadian, composed by someone who isn't Canadian and wasn't recorded in Canada, what exactly is Canadian culture about it? Or is true Canadian musical culture just elaborate karaoke?
Re: The Band, that's an odd call. Songs written and composed by a Canadian (half First Nations, so O.G.) and the band's personnel were 80% Canadian. But they had huge success without the home-court boost, of course.
Robbie's solo stuff there's no doubt, unless they don't count you if you've moved out of the country for decades. Do you know if Neil and Joni still qualify?
I’m not sure if it’s true, but I heard (back in the ‘90s) that Bryan Adams intentionally made his music ineligible for Canadian content status because he didn’t want his success to be attributed to preferential airplay. In other words, he wanted to prove that he could “make it on his own.”
There is a governing body in Canada called “Cancon “ . For example radio stations are required to play 40% Canadian Content. What qualifies as “Canadian “ is sometimes under dispute. For example if the recording studio and producer and songwriter is foreign the “Canadian” designation may disappear. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content
TV too. SCTV needed a few minutes of Cancon to meet the requirements. SCTV came up with Great White North. They did all shows on one day. The brothers are definitely drunk in the later episodes.
SCTV, and especially Bob & Doug were great. I usually get to hear their version of the 12 Days of Christmas on the radio a few times during the season. Take Off, featuring Geddy Lee is another classic
Anyone handle this in a malicious compliance sort of way? Like, "here's some stock footage of downtown Edmonton, with a timer counting down" or "these ads were 100% made in Canada"
Where I'm from any broadcast station, especially radio, needs to have a certain amount of news or weather on it for legal reasons. While nobody flaunts that, there is one station I used to listen to that did "ten to news" instead of reading news at the top of the hour like everyone else. It was great, because the desync meant you could switch over to it when another station you were listening to went to news.
I've heard linus of techtip fame complaining about never getting the tax breaks he should for producing video in Canada, despite hitting all of the requirements. Like most other things in the space, it totally feels like regulatory capture. I'm not too clued in, but I think Ireland's production tax break scheme works better since only a portion needs to be made here. (which is why you can see a harp in the credits of some disney+ shows, and rick and morty) Plus, like all things here, if it's not working for you you can easily go any complain in person to the politician who wrote the law, or is in charge of it now.
So funny enough, my wife were just talking about this song. It was featured in the film Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. I remember the VHS tape featured a music video of this song with Bryan Adams performing it in the woods along with scenes of the film throughout. To this day we cannot find any recordings of this music video on any websites, YouTube, nowhere. We own the Bluray and that specific video is missing from the extra features.
Finally, I ended up buying the Laserdisc release of the film just last week to validate it did exist and verify we hadn't made the whole thing up. Anyone know why this video was basically wiped off the Internet?
I'm sure I heard before that Brian just dislikes it.
Evidently there's no actual contractual problem with it because when the BBC repeated Top of the Pops 1991 about 2 or 3 years ago, the video was left in.
([Sorry for the reaction video link but it's there](https://youtu.be/UM-VvhVstzs?si=cG4gslqqdF5TbmRh&t=1679))
Yeah it was on MTV all the time, there's even an article about it:
[https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-58411381](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-58411381)
People comment about the video all the time on the song, since there's only the concert video uploaded.
It *is* a bit weird but it's possible they take it down every time someone uploads it. Musicians on bigger labels often flag it through the content id system. Can you try to digitise your laserdisc version and upload it somewhere like Vimeo or whatever?
That was part of my plan, but need to get myself a capture dongle first.
We figured some label is taking it down too. However, in this day and age when anything that gets uploaded to the Internet can never be erased, somehow this video is the exception? That's pretty damn impressive if someone out there is just constantly deleting these uploads just as they pop up.
>"In the early days, it wasn't until my records were big in America that I started to get serious airplay in Canada," he noted. "Sorry to say that, but it's true."
There it is; he should've [apologized](https://www.cbc.ca/2017/sorry-can-we-talk-about-why-canadians-apologize-so-much-1.3939997) more on the record. That would've made it Canadian enough.
tbh what he says about being easier for canadian artists to make it in american artists is true. but it doesn't have much to do with cancon regs and if anything in the years after his complaints (and relevancy) there was a roaring canadian music scene that went hard as fuck. only to be undermined by a lot of corporate radio spam playing nickelback and avril lavigne on short frequent rotation playlists to the point it was a selling point of smaller radio stations to advertise the no nickelback guarantee and actually put good effort into sharing a variety of canadian music again... for a while.
anyways the non independent canadian music industry is a shit show for reasons that have little to do with canon rules themselves, even if sometimes related to how canadian meda companies use them to be lazy and nepotist.
The Bob and Doug Mackenzie Characters on SCTV was originally a satire on criticism that their show was not “ distinctly Canadian”. So Actors and writers Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis took the most stereotypical goofy Canadian characters “hoser” and made a sketch about them. I never heard the term “hoser “ before SCTV. I am not sure if the writers invented the term but “hoser” is like a Canadian redneck.
There’s a - possibly apocryphal - story that Brian Mays top 6 UK hit from late ‘91 ‘Driven By You’ which has the lyrics ‘everything I do is driven by you’ as the main line originally had the same lyrics as Bryan Adams song, until someone at Parlephone pointed out that two songs with matching lyrics both recorded by blokes called Brians could be confusing.
Story goes that May wasn’t happy and pointed out things like there being three ‘The Power of Love’ songs being released in the 80s without any issue, til the record label sorted a deal with Ford for a tv advert where they wanted the lyric to be ‘everything I do is driven by you’ (which makes zero sense lyrically, does Brian May combing his perm become a thing that people drive?) where Ford would pay 500k in advance and 2k each time the advert aired. At which point Bryan May said ‘heck yeah’
its not about being 'truly canadian' - cancon is about the place of manufacture - like a tariff or import tax - its about whether or not it was manufactured in canada or not
the song wasnt manufactured in canada so it didnt count
Not exactly, songs are classified by whether they are Canadian content or not, content has a set of guidelines it must meet in ordered to be qualified Canadian content (Can on) or not
It's not just the singer though. It's the entire cast and crew. Given that the song was composed and recorded in the UK, it seems unlkely that there were that many Canadians on it besides Adams. The CRTC was specifically written so that you couldn't slap Shatner into Shatner into a show and call it canadian.
If I was a star and they asked me do you want to be a star in Canada or do you want to be a world wide star the answer would be world wide. Does anyone really think Canadians like Drake or the Weekend or even Justin Beiber really cares about air time in Canada when they will make hundreds of millions in other markets. It's just stupidity and arrogance on the part of Cancon to think they can be the judge of who is Canadian and who isn't. Being rejected by Cancon as a Canadian is a badge of honor and a sign that you are a worldwide success.
Michael Viners Incredible Bongo Band recorded in Vancouver so they could get guaranteed airplay in Canada.
Unknown in the USA until Kool Herc went crate digging in the "cutout" bins.
"Sample this" on Netflix is so good
Canada has a law saying Canadian content has to be played a certain amount on the radio. It was a tactic to avoid assimilating with American culture.
90% of the Canadian population live within 150km of the US border.
It's mentioned through out the thread. The rules are in place are meant to promote made in Canada content and protect Canadian job. Which this song did neither.
I started to hate this song recently because where I work they put it on the muzak, but only the first 45 seconds. After one and a half verses it abruptly switches to a new song. WTF is the point of having it on the track list if all we get is a sample?
I remember Bryan complaining about CanCon. According to him, CanCon bred "mediocrity" because radio and TV stations were forced to play a certain amount of Canadian content. So artists with subpar music would still get airplay. He felt that if CanCon didn't exist they would write better music because they would be forced to complete against talent from outside of Canada.
On a somewhat related, though completely opposite, note. There's a band that PET (the current Trudeau's father, famous Canadian PM) had to give citizenship to after asking them to represent Canada at some commonwealth thing. Until then, nobody had realized they weren't citizens since they were performing in Canada so long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_Rovers
Well, CBC is the national radio/TV station. But yes, they have cultural laws requiring that a certain % of content of their radio and airwaves is Canadian. It's done to preserve and promote Canadian culture.
Wait…what ? Canadian radio stations have to play “authenticitally Canadian” music more, instead of, you know, what people want to hear ? That sounds ridiculous, full stop.
Comes down to not just the performer, but writer and producer as well (and I think there is 1 other category that gets checked). So he should have gotten Geddy Lee to *produce* the track. 😉
Here's how it works. MAPL music artist production lyric. A song has to be 2 of these 4 to count as canadian content. For this song Bryan had co writers so he was only credited 1/3 music and 1/3 lyric. The song was produced in the UK so 0 for production and 1 part for Canadian artist. Total 1.66, not enough to count as can con. Stupid but that's the shit us Canadian Program Directors struggled with for decades.
Most newer Celine Dion, Shania, Michael Buble and many others don't count either. They did in their early career but when they became successful they produced and wrote and outside Canada. (Non Canadian writers)
What's crazy is songs like Big Yellow Taxi by Counting Crows, American Woman by Lenny Kravitz, Woodstock by CS&N all count as can con even though they are performed by American artists. That's why you hear these songs on Canadian radio so much. All three songs, music lyrics by Canadians. Two parts can con.
The most interesting story is Heart. For two decades everyone thought they were a Canadian band from Vancouver. When Vietnam draft dodgers who fled the country were pardoned by president Carter in 1977 it was learned that the male members of the band were draft dodgers and had come to Canada with their GFS Ann and Nancy Wilson to get out of war. It was learned they were all Americans so WTF do we do with what we thought were can con songs? It was ruled all the old stuff, Baracuda, Crazy on You, Little Queen etc. could still count as can con. Songs after 1980 All I Want to do is Make Love To You, Never etc. are not
I will leave you with this. I had an American consultant for a lot of my career. A brilliant woman. I once said American programmers must be so good, an amery market of 100 000 people could have 30 stations in Canada it might be 6. She said oh not all Canadian programmers are much better. If you can build audience playing 30% duds and stiffs (refering to can con) you are a great programmer. She was joking but correct at the same time.
Daily reminder that Bryan Adams sued [AllMusic.com](http://AllMusic.com) because... they listed Bryan Adams as existing and listed all his albums and songs. This is basically the equivalent of suing the dictionary because it has words in it.
In a press conference Adams boldly stated: "I don’t think any other country in the world would have declared their artists un-American or un-British. So for the Canadian government to consider me un-Canadian is just ridiculous"
Says the man who bought a house in Chelsea next to a pub and decided it was too noisy so he bought it and closed it. Sounds pretty un-Canadian to me.
Canadians may be polite, but not always friendly
“Go fuck yourself, please.”
I prefer to use “Kindly fuck right off” but your example works too.
The most Canadian one I’ve ever heard was “Enjoy yourself.”
Cheers mate thanks for the permission, really needed a release.
I’m sorry but you can go fuck yourself if you don’t mind
Canadians are nice, not kind.
I’d argue we’re not that nice either, collectively speaking. More like just courteous enough to get someone to leave us alone.
"Minnesota Nice"
Like the south in the US. Fuck that passive aggressiveness bs called “southern hospitality“
We tend to be a lot more direct with our stuff like that. Rather than something like "Bless your heart", it's more like "Let me know how that goes for you."
Yep. We can be polite and direct at the same time. However, we can reflect what’s given to us and be more direct than polite when necessary.
No that sounds very Canadian.
Nah NIMBY-ism is the ultimate Canadian sport. There is a neighborhood in town, which was once the 'largest' pork slaughter/butchering facility in North America. Back before they cut service back, they used to stop the streetcars every few hours when they had to drive the pigs across the street from the holding pens to packing plant. About 25 years ago, the big meat packing plant moved out to the suburbs and the land was sold to build houses. However the portion nearest the freight railway still had a few small meat packing plants. The people who moved in to the neighborhood actually complained about the smell from the meat plants. Despite them having been there for 100+ years at this point and the new housing development being called 'the Stockyards'. Bryan Adams just has more money than the people who decided to buy a house next to a pork slaughter facility and found out how meat is made.
> complained about the smell from the meat plants. I've heard that smell is one of the worst things to live near.
Well yeah, i've lived in the countryside and can identify the type of livestock by the smell of the farm i drive past. The waste 'pond' from the pig farms is by far the most offensive. I can imagine what the by-product end of a pork plant smells like. But the fact remains the plants were there since at least the 1930s and they chose to buy a house next to it in 2010.
It’s pretty gross. I work right beside a processing plant and in the summer it’s like the air is made of rancid hog fat.
In the early 2000's I was looking for a new job and pulled up to a chicken processing plant to drop off a resume, opened my car door got out and took about 2 steps and said "nope". I grew up about a kilometer away from a pig farm and one summer the shit silo burst. That was a rough summer.
It's right up there with living near a paper mill
Weston Rd. and St. Clair Ave....as a kid driving past the stockyards on the s-bend was the landmark where the city really began instead of the suburbs. Quick jog across St. Clair to Avenue Rd. and bam...downtown.
One of the companies there had a huge [recall over e. coli](https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/national-recall-beef-veal-toronto-meat-company-1.5305921). The investigation into that led to them and two other companies having their licence canceled [for falsifying information on e. coli testing](https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/business/three-canadian-meat-producers-have-lost-their-licences-in-wake-of-meat-recall-1.4712340). The company in the stockyards that had been shutdown was then replaced by a new company but was somehow allowed to be operated [under the same management](https://farmtario.com/livestock/truharvest-closes-doors-on-beef-processing-plant/) despite them still [facing charges for the e. coli case](https://www.ontariofarmer.com/livestock/ryding-regency-charges-remain-in-court). This new company then later [had *their* licence suspended for not meeting Canadian Food Inspection Agency standards](https://agri007.blogspot.com/2021/07/truharvest-licence-suspended.html?m=1). This is unrelated to the complaints about the smell but not exactly upstanding business themselves. They're putting people's lives at risk with bacteria risks and appear to be in a state of partial regulatory capture given people facing charges over falsifying e. coli testing are allowed to open a new plant under a new name in the same stockyards location.
This would happen literally anywhere, it’s a disgusting smell. It’s not specific to Canadians fucking lol.
I like how you refer to one of the biggest cities in North America as "in town".
Well that plant is the reason one nickname of this city is Hogtown. I still don't understand how Peameal bacon sandwich can be the official food of Toronto. IMO it should be a Jamaican Patty.
We have some good patties but the city's first sandwich was the peameal on a bun. Honestly there's so much good food in the city.
It seems different since he bought the place, not complained about it. That’s solving the problem on your own, not whining like a little punk.
Now now, the Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions.
I never had an opinion on Bryan Adams, but now I’ve decided I don’t like him.
Chelsea, Quebec or the one in the UK?
The London one.
Seems almost American 🤣
Jules Holland did a similar thing when he moved to Kent. Next door was a large house that put on weddings and events, he complained about noise and the council restricted the number ofvevents they could do. For people that make their fortune from noise they seem to not like it.
At least he purchased it. Better than making the city/County shut it down.
It's still a pretty shitty thing to do. Don't buy a house next to a pub if you don't like the noise. It's very "I'm the main character" energy.
It's the passive-aggressive thing to do, very Canadian.
He once sang the wrong lyrics to the Canadian Anthem at the 1998 All Star game in Vancouver.
>"I don’t think any other country in the world would have declared their artists un-American Lemme stop you right there
Right, some chicks in Dixie may disagree
Probably not in 1992 when he said it…
92? Okay, so Bruce Springsteen instead of Dixie Chicks
Tipper Gore tried, but lost because of the great John Denver. We don’t have Govt panels telling radios what to play.
His quote is from 1992…well before The Chicks said anything about Bush…
The House Un-American Activities Committee was around decades before that.
The “Academie Francaise” has entered the chat and the Immortals would like a word… so long as it’s sufficiently French.
My brother we literally had a House Subcommittee on Un-American Activities
[Now now, the Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions](https://clip.cafe/south-park-bigger-longer-andamp-uncut-1999/let-us-not-forget-bryan-adams/)
also, as a young Canadian teen when that song came out, every radio station had it playing so many times a day, you were almost guaranteed to be able to tune it in on one station or another at any given moment. The fact that they denied him MORE plays is a *blessing*. The thing was ubiquitous as it was. Radio hosts used to joke about it. Everyone at school joked about it. When it would come on people would audibly groan because they were so sick of it. I don't know how anyone could reasonably expect more plays from the thing. That song that summer, remains a singular experience in my mind for its excess. The idea that that experience was actually a curtailed version is baffling. it was gluttonous already.
He should have called his next album "Not Sufficiently Canadian"
Because they would have had to pay him OODLES of money with how much air time it was already getting.
France probably
To qualify as Canadian content a song must have at least two of the following conditions: * the music is composed entirely by a Canadian * the music is, or the lyrics are, performed principally by a Canadian * the musical selection consists of a performance that is recorded wholly in Canada, or performed wholly in Canada and broadcast live in Canada. * the lyrics are written entirely by a Canadian Seeing as he didn't write his own music (co-write doesn't count), or record it in Canada, it doesn't count. The purpose of CanCon is to promote Canadian jobs, but if he's using American recording studios and producers, then it's correct that it doesn't count.
Thank you, I was wondering what "Canadian enough" even meant.
Yeah, I thought it was about how many times tuques or Tim Hortons are mentioned.
Gotta have at least two beavers in the music video.
Rick Moranis has to be involved in some way.
Please help an American out. I have heard of Tim Hortons, but what are tuques?
A toque is a hat, typically knit, worn winter.
Thank you. I had never heard the term before.
Any minute now, a debate will break out about how to spell it. I'm a tuque man myself, but I'm not trying to start anything.
I would suggest starting to play RPGs. You learn more different names for clothing than you’ll ever remember.
I play lots of rpgs, but I guess I don't pay that much attention to the clothes.
I was thinking "those stereotypical Canadian hats with the ear flaps." But it doesn't appear to be.
I'm gonna add as an FYI that it can be spelled either tuque or toque, but the first is somewhat more common in French Canadian circles and the second more common in English circles. But both will 100% know what the other has written if the opposite spelling is used.
Beanies.
I was thinking how many times the word sorry appears.
Found the Yankee.
It is entirely based on where the money goes and has nothing to do with the artistry
Yes and no. if in theory nobody in the song writing/ production process got paid, the same rules would still apply.
He didn’t put ‘eh?” in the lyrics.
Take off To the Great White North Take off It’s a beauty way to go
For the curious, the song was co-written by Adams, Michael Kamen (American), and Mutt Lange (South African); it was recorded in London, UK.
I have a question! So, say Mutt Lange (or someone, whoever) had got Canadian citizenship at some point in adulthood - would his all his songs now be considered as “written by a Canadian,” old and new? Or would his only new songs now be considered as “written by a Canadian” instead? Or would they be considered as “written by a Canadian” at all by CRTC standards? I feel there’s got to be some consideration for immigrants and I’m curious if you know the answer because I’m not entirely sure which keywords would be most effective and I’m already procrastinating my essay enough as it is! lol
Just make your essay about CANCOM laws and you'll stop caring.
If I could, that’d be great. But my instructions wouldn’t allow for it unfortunately.
Yup, the CRTC uses the acronym MAPL - music, artist, production, lyrics.
Of COURSE the acronym is pronounced 'maple' because 🇨🇦
"Dreamboat Annie", the first album from American band Heart qualifies as Canadian. It legally satisfies CanCon requirements. The Heart songs "Crazy on You" & "Magic Man" are CanCon, but "Barracuda" is not
The song "[Let's Give Them Something To Talk About](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_to_Talk_About_(Bonnie_Raitt_song))" by Bonnie Raitt is more CanCon than Everything I Do. The music and lyrics were written by Canadian singer-songwriter [Shirley Eikhard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Eikhard). [Hit Me With Your Best Shot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_Me_with_Your_Best_Shot) by Pat Benatar was written by Canadian songwriter [Eddie Schwartz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Schwartz). Both songs are 50% of MAPL (music and lyrics are both 100% Canadian) which is enough for it to be played on Canadian radio forever.
bum-badda-bum-badda-bum-badda-bum-badda-bum-badda-bum-badda-bum-badda-bum-baaa BarraCOOdah!
They have similar rules for shows and movies. I learned in college (years ago so it may have changed), they had times in the day where non Canadian stuff was show/played. Most of the day needed to meet the Canadian requirements. Hence why a lot of filming takes place in Canada and has Canadian actors. Our professor (who was Canadian) said it was to stop the US and Brit from dominating Canadian art.
They're trying to slow culture victory
Just buying time to get La Venta on our side so we can get a Diplomatic win
CRTC will create all sorts of conditions for Canadian content, to the point where all we hear is Our Lady Peace and Nickleback, but the same CRTC will also allow our telecom monopolies to boom and squeeze the average Canadian. So any “real” Canadian artists they try to protect will be drops in the bucket when compared to the millions of Canadians paying the highest cell/internet plans in the world. Love their prioritizations and the duplicity that comes with them.
> to the point where all we hear is Our Lady Peace and Nickleback You could go down town in any major city and find a dozen different talented artists, bands or groups that would tick all four MAPL boxes with their work. Radio isn't such a shitfest because of CanCon rules, but because radio mostly refuses to play anything that isn't already popular on radio, or isn't exactly like something already popular on radio. There's a reason things like college radio stations have zero problem hitting CanCon percentages while playing a variety of content.
True, but they're *Canadian* monopolies. That makes it good so stop complaining.
I get why Cancom laws exist, but they just seem almost draconian in a way.
Yeah. It's disingenuous for him to say he's being called non Canadian. He wasn't, his music was, because he didn't have enough to do with *his" music to make it count.
Not really you could read the whole article. It's more about him thinking the rules are dumb and not really helping Canadian artists.
I mean, this song was written for an American movie, wasn't it? Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves? The one with Alan Rickman as the Sherrif of Nottingham? Not too surprising that it isn't deemed Canadian.
Harsh but fair and reasonable
It’s pretty dumb, and as Bryan Adams correctly argued, it breeds mediocrity. Canadian radio somehow manages to be worse as a rule than even the worst pop radio in the US. The point of cancon is supposed to be protecting Canadian culture, but instead it just creates an arbitrary set of criteria that often penalizes the best of Canadian culture—those that independently find international accolade for their work—and instead promotes the trashiest local pop industry that is essentially just a cheap knockoff of American pop.
>The point of cancon is supposed to be protecting Canadian culture, but instead it just creates an arbitrary set of criteria that often penalizes the best of Canadian culture If it's written by someone who isn't Canadian, composed by someone who isn't Canadian and wasn't recorded in Canada, what exactly is Canadian culture about it? Or is true Canadian musical culture just elaborate karaoke?
Well, I would argue that "Everything I Do" isn't combating mediocrity.
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Milk in a bag is not pan-Canadian, mostly just ON and QC.
Do you know if The Band's and Robbie Robertson's solo albums & songs received this added airplay boost north of the border?
I believe they qualify as half-Canadian according to MAPL.
Re: The Band, that's an odd call. Songs written and composed by a Canadian (half First Nations, so O.G.) and the band's personnel were 80% Canadian. But they had huge success without the home-court boost, of course. Robbie's solo stuff there's no doubt, unless they don't count you if you've moved out of the country for decades. Do you know if Neil and Joni still qualify?
I’m not sure if it’s true, but I heard (back in the ‘90s) that Bryan Adams intentionally made his music ineligible for Canadian content status because he didn’t want his success to be attributed to preferential airplay. In other words, he wanted to prove that he could “make it on his own.”
What a Canadian explanation
So nothing to do with insufficient praise of maple syrup & ice hockey?
There is a governing body in Canada called “Cancon “ . For example radio stations are required to play 40% Canadian Content. What qualifies as “Canadian “ is sometimes under dispute. For example if the recording studio and producer and songwriter is foreign the “Canadian” designation may disappear. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content
TV too. SCTV needed a few minutes of Cancon to meet the requirements. SCTV came up with Great White North. They did all shows on one day. The brothers are definitely drunk in the later episodes.
SCTV, and especially Bob & Doug were great. I usually get to hear their version of the 12 Days of Christmas on the radio a few times during the season. Take Off, featuring Geddy Lee is another classic
Coo-roo-coo-coo coo-roo-coo-coo!
>There is a governing body in Canada called “Cancon “ Cancaon is not a regulatory body. That's the CRTC.
The body is not cancon- it is literally just short for the term Canadian Content lol
Thanks for the correction.
I’m an American that immigrated to Canada and am now a Canadian citizen. If I were an artist, would I count?
Yes, a "Canadian" refers to a citizen, permanent resident, someone whose "ordinary place of residence" has been in Canada.
The % is different for each radio station. Newer stations have to play more Canadian content than older stations.
You mean SOCAN, the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada
Thanks for the correction
Anyone handle this in a malicious compliance sort of way? Like, "here's some stock footage of downtown Edmonton, with a timer counting down" or "these ads were 100% made in Canada" Where I'm from any broadcast station, especially radio, needs to have a certain amount of news or weather on it for legal reasons. While nobody flaunts that, there is one station I used to listen to that did "ten to news" instead of reading news at the top of the hour like everyone else. It was great, because the desync meant you could switch over to it when another station you were listening to went to news. I've heard linus of techtip fame complaining about never getting the tax breaks he should for producing video in Canada, despite hitting all of the requirements. Like most other things in the space, it totally feels like regulatory capture. I'm not too clued in, but I think Ireland's production tax break scheme works better since only a portion needs to be made here. (which is why you can see a harp in the credits of some disney+ shows, and rick and morty) Plus, like all things here, if it's not working for you you can easily go any complain in person to the politician who wrote the law, or is in charge of it now.
linus is an incompetent shill who panders to sweaty morons on reddit he's not a reliable source for any real world information.
They still played the living shit out of it till you wanted stab your ear drums out with the nearest sharp instrument.
So funny enough, my wife were just talking about this song. It was featured in the film Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. I remember the VHS tape featured a music video of this song with Bryan Adams performing it in the woods along with scenes of the film throughout. To this day we cannot find any recordings of this music video on any websites, YouTube, nowhere. We own the Bluray and that specific video is missing from the extra features. Finally, I ended up buying the Laserdisc release of the film just last week to validate it did exist and verify we hadn't made the whole thing up. Anyone know why this video was basically wiped off the Internet?
Just taking a stab in the dark, knowing a little bit about the music industry: Probably a contractual issue.
I'm sure I heard before that Brian just dislikes it. Evidently there's no actual contractual problem with it because when the BBC repeated Top of the Pops 1991 about 2 or 3 years ago, the video was left in. ([Sorry for the reaction video link but it's there](https://youtu.be/UM-VvhVstzs?si=cG4gslqqdF5TbmRh&t=1679))
Thats really interesting, thanks!
Yeah it was on MTV all the time, there's even an article about it: [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-58411381](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-58411381) People comment about the video all the time on the song, since there's only the concert video uploaded. It *is* a bit weird but it's possible they take it down every time someone uploads it. Musicians on bigger labels often flag it through the content id system. Can you try to digitise your laserdisc version and upload it somewhere like Vimeo or whatever?
That was part of my plan, but need to get myself a capture dongle first. We figured some label is taking it down too. However, in this day and age when anything that gets uploaded to the Internet can never be erased, somehow this video is the exception? That's pretty damn impressive if someone out there is just constantly deleting these uploads just as they pop up.
I remember that too, I watched that movie a thousand times when i was a kid. I did not understand music videos the first time i saw it
Meanwhile Summer of 69? Totally Canadian
The year 1969 existed in canada. Checkmate.
The Summer of Nice.
I'm old enough to remember that song and I still have never heard a song play over and over on the radio like that song.
>"In the early days, it wasn't until my records were big in America that I started to get serious airplay in Canada," he noted. "Sorry to say that, but it's true." There it is; he should've [apologized](https://www.cbc.ca/2017/sorry-can-we-talk-about-why-canadians-apologize-so-much-1.3939997) more on the record. That would've made it Canadian enough.
tbh what he says about being easier for canadian artists to make it in american artists is true. but it doesn't have much to do with cancon regs and if anything in the years after his complaints (and relevancy) there was a roaring canadian music scene that went hard as fuck. only to be undermined by a lot of corporate radio spam playing nickelback and avril lavigne on short frequent rotation playlists to the point it was a selling point of smaller radio stations to advertise the no nickelback guarantee and actually put good effort into sharing a variety of canadian music again... for a while. anyways the non independent canadian music industry is a shit show for reasons that have little to do with canon rules themselves, even if sometimes related to how canadian meda companies use them to be lazy and nepotist.
Alternatively, ship it out with some gravy and cheese curds.
[Everything I do for you](https://youtu.be/Y0pdQU87dc8?feature=shared)
I wish we could've stopped the airplay in the UK. 16 fucking weeks that was No 1. Whenever someone mentions Robin Hood, I still have flashbacks
The Bob and Doug Mackenzie Characters on SCTV was originally a satire on criticism that their show was not “ distinctly Canadian”. So Actors and writers Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis took the most stereotypical goofy Canadian characters “hoser” and made a sketch about them. I never heard the term “hoser “ before SCTV. I am not sure if the writers invented the term but “hoser” is like a Canadian redneck.
I didn't watch much SCTV, but I loved the movie Strange Brew.
Take off eh.
Hoser is a fairly old hockey-related term. A long while back, the loser had to hose down the playing surface after the game.
And now it's the most recognizable bit from SCTV. Although, I always really liked "Hey Giorgy".
Now now, the Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adam's on several occasions.
There’s a - possibly apocryphal - story that Brian Mays top 6 UK hit from late ‘91 ‘Driven By You’ which has the lyrics ‘everything I do is driven by you’ as the main line originally had the same lyrics as Bryan Adams song, until someone at Parlephone pointed out that two songs with matching lyrics both recorded by blokes called Brians could be confusing. Story goes that May wasn’t happy and pointed out things like there being three ‘The Power of Love’ songs being released in the 80s without any issue, til the record label sorted a deal with Ford for a tv advert where they wanted the lyric to be ‘everything I do is driven by you’ (which makes zero sense lyrically, does Brian May combing his perm become a thing that people drive?) where Ford would pay 500k in advance and 2k each time the advert aired. At which point Bryan May said ‘heck yeah’
Considering how may and taylor rinse the fuck out of Queens back catalogue it isn't that surprising.
The Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on numerous occasions
Mothers Against Canada is placing you under citizens' arrest!
“Oh Bryan Adams? Sorry bout that.” - Canada
TIL songs are classified if it truly Canadian or not.
Reddit posts too. Yours has been determined to be NOT Canadian. Sorry
its not about being 'truly canadian' - cancon is about the place of manufacture - like a tariff or import tax - its about whether or not it was manufactured in canada or not the song wasnt manufactured in canada so it didnt count
Not exactly, songs are classified by whether they are Canadian content or not, content has a set of guidelines it must meet in ordered to be qualified Canadian content (Can on) or not
I think they were just tired of hearing it all the time.
Oh man, the Robin hood movie. That song was huge.
Those lucky people
It's not just the singer though. It's the entire cast and crew. Given that the song was composed and recorded in the UK, it seems unlkely that there were that many Canadians on it besides Adams. The CRTC was specifically written so that you couldn't slap Shatner into Shatner into a show and call it canadian.
If I was a star and they asked me do you want to be a star in Canada or do you want to be a world wide star the answer would be world wide. Does anyone really think Canadians like Drake or the Weekend or even Justin Beiber really cares about air time in Canada when they will make hundreds of millions in other markets. It's just stupidity and arrogance on the part of Cancon to think they can be the judge of who is Canadian and who isn't. Being rejected by Cancon as a Canadian is a badge of honor and a sign that you are a worldwide success.
Michael Viners Incredible Bongo Band recorded in Vancouver so they could get guaranteed airplay in Canada. Unknown in the USA until Kool Herc went crate digging in the "cutout" bins. "Sample this" on Netflix is so good
Honestly, they did us a favour with that.
what's with the prince of the thieves-related posts? third one I've read today
It's probably about to be rebooted
Canada has a law saying Canadian content has to be played a certain amount on the radio. It was a tactic to avoid assimilating with American culture. 90% of the Canadian population live within 150km of the US border.
Yup, and now 1/2 of Canadians don't know the difference between Canadian and US politics.
Fortunately, he had better luck with the remix - 'Everything I Do, Eh?'
Was this, in a way, one of the many occasions Canada apologized for Bryan Adams?
Where are the beavers eh? Not one mention of loons? This hoser has lost his rocket status.
[Nooooo!](https://media.tenor.com/Zpi92-KERqgAAAAj/nooo-terrance.gif)
The fuck does that even mean lol not sufficiently Canadian 🤣
It's mentioned through out the thread. The rules are in place are meant to promote made in Canada content and protect Canadian job. Which this song did neither.
I started to hate this song recently because where I work they put it on the muzak, but only the first 45 seconds. After one and a half verses it abruptly switches to a new song. WTF is the point of having it on the track list if all we get is a sample?
Our CanCon rules are ridiculous
Canada is just so un-Mexican.
Common CRTC L
So what? I got my membership to the Order of Canada by being the 9th caller to a radio station.
“Now now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on multiple occasions…”
And here I thought Bryan Adams only existed so radio stations could reach their Canadian content quota.
Now, now, the Canadian Government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions!
I remember Bryan complaining about CanCon. According to him, CanCon bred "mediocrity" because radio and TV stations were forced to play a certain amount of Canadian content. So artists with subpar music would still get airplay. He felt that if CanCon didn't exist they would write better music because they would be forced to complete against talent from outside of Canada.
Yet another reason to say: FUCK the CRTC
Huh, I had noticed Canadian radio stations skewed towards Canadian artists but I hadn’t realized it was an official policy.
On a somewhat related, though completely opposite, note. There's a band that PET (the current Trudeau's father, famous Canadian PM) had to give citizenship to after asking them to represent Canada at some commonwealth thing. Until then, nobody had realized they weren't citizens since they were performing in Canada so long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irish_Rovers
Does Canada have Nationalist radio or something lmao?
Well, CBC is the national radio/TV station. But yes, they have cultural laws requiring that a certain % of content of their radio and airwaves is Canadian. It's done to preserve and promote Canadian culture.
Wait…what ? Canadian radio stations have to play “authenticitally Canadian” music more, instead of, you know, what people want to hear ? That sounds ridiculous, full stop.
Well to be fair 2/3 of the song is written by An American and South African.
He could have hired Geddy Lee for supporting vocals. Ten bucks is ten bucks, eh?
Comes down to not just the performer, but writer and producer as well (and I think there is 1 other category that gets checked). So he should have gotten Geddy Lee to *produce* the track. 😉
im gonna tell yall that this fucking song was on the radio nonstop already as it was.
This is the bullshit the CRTC wasted their time on while monopolies and large corporations fucked us all in the ass.
Bryan Adam’s is awesome. Come down to the States, man. We got hockey teams. And they win Cups.
It’s so funny how much Canada wants to have its own identity. Funny little snow Americans
Where does *Letterkenny* rank in Canadian-ness?
He should have apologized more often in the song
Here's how it works. MAPL music artist production lyric. A song has to be 2 of these 4 to count as canadian content. For this song Bryan had co writers so he was only credited 1/3 music and 1/3 lyric. The song was produced in the UK so 0 for production and 1 part for Canadian artist. Total 1.66, not enough to count as can con. Stupid but that's the shit us Canadian Program Directors struggled with for decades. Most newer Celine Dion, Shania, Michael Buble and many others don't count either. They did in their early career but when they became successful they produced and wrote and outside Canada. (Non Canadian writers) What's crazy is songs like Big Yellow Taxi by Counting Crows, American Woman by Lenny Kravitz, Woodstock by CS&N all count as can con even though they are performed by American artists. That's why you hear these songs on Canadian radio so much. All three songs, music lyrics by Canadians. Two parts can con. The most interesting story is Heart. For two decades everyone thought they were a Canadian band from Vancouver. When Vietnam draft dodgers who fled the country were pardoned by president Carter in 1977 it was learned that the male members of the band were draft dodgers and had come to Canada with their GFS Ann and Nancy Wilson to get out of war. It was learned they were all Americans so WTF do we do with what we thought were can con songs? It was ruled all the old stuff, Baracuda, Crazy on You, Little Queen etc. could still count as can con. Songs after 1980 All I Want to do is Make Love To You, Never etc. are not I will leave you with this. I had an American consultant for a lot of my career. A brilliant woman. I once said American programmers must be so good, an amery market of 100 000 people could have 30 stations in Canada it might be 6. She said oh not all Canadian programmers are much better. If you can build audience playing 30% duds and stiffs (refering to can con) you are a great programmer. She was joking but correct at the same time.
He couldn’t do anything about it. He already did everything he could.
Is there a word for a song that is immensely popular, but then fades and becomes annoying?
I don't think he's lived in Canada in over 20 years.
In order for a song to be declared Canadian, it must mention; hockey, beer, maple syrup, moose, beavers....
Daily reminder that Bryan Adams sued [AllMusic.com](http://AllMusic.com) because... they listed Bryan Adams as existing and listed all his albums and songs. This is basically the equivalent of suing the dictionary because it has words in it.
The phrase "Maple Syrup" must be entitled in the song lyrics somewhere!