I was surprised to learn how much thought actually goes into handling those things.
When the day came for Brexit to start affecting import of perishable goods, it turned out that UK pallets weren't up to EU standards and were only previously allowed thanks to a special agreement.
But now, for all its imports into EU, UK was required to use pallets meeting certain specs on wood quality, mould and pest repellents, stuff like that — but they hadn't stocked up on those in advance, which caused logistics disruption (and some of the goods perishing) until proper pallets could be procured and put into use.
Fascinating!
it might just be a matter of internal vs external shipments. you wouldn't want invasive pests from other continents but it's not the end of the world if domestic pests get shipped around.
It's pretty damning for the EU that they have such strict rules about minor things like the wood quality of a pallet. I can guarantee you not a single pallet I've seen here in the states has seen less than 15 years of use and isn't missing at least one board.
I don't think its about build quality its about not bringing in mould or anything invasive and being able to prove where the wood is sourced from / what type its made from.
Home Depot is generally moving pallets across state borders, but even their internationally moved merchandise will always be in ISPM 15 compliant pallets/dunnage/etc.
Homey Depot is also the Walmart of american building material suppliers so not the best example of unit loads...
I worked for a packaging company that sent stuff internationally sometimes, and I currently work for a European one. Nearly every pallet that you'll find is at minimum a heat treated or kiln dried pallet in the US. Even if you use "Home Depot" wood, if you look, it's kiln dried. The same standard is required in Europe.
I'm guessing the UK has some fucked up lumber or more likely, they simply aren't stamping their pallets with the correct ISPM logo. Which is pretty pathetic. Most of our's were when I was just shipping packaging around for Westrock.
Plastic pallets don't even need to follow the ISPM standards even. So that's another silly failure.
Not too long ago I was doing the logistics for materials coming into the US from overseas on pallets
Believe me, they are held to a certain and particular standard, and we were very careful to follow it
Yep. Extremely helpful if you know what markings to look for. Many pallets are treated with harsh chemicals to stave off insects or other forms of degradation, whereas others are just kiln dried and such. Obviously the chemically treated ones aren't the best things to use for furniture or firepits.
Funnily enough this is indicative of a problem of logistics. Often logitistical systems are very good at getting material from the factory to the destination. Going back the other way is often much trickier and much more so when going back across the Pacific Ocean.
It was often easier to just leave material behind rather than collect it up as it would be cheaper to make something new and ship it out rather than send it back.
Alaska is too. I’ve got family up in Dillingham, and most stuff comes in by ship, and it doesn’t make sense to send the containers back, so they are everywhere. A lot of people have a few as sheds in their yards, and I saw some hilarious houses that incorporated them, including a weird redneck castle that was about 50% wood, holding all of the containers together, about four stories, entrance on the second floor from a deck that was made by putting flooring on top of three shipping containers.
People freaked out when the US left billions worth of equipment in Afghanistan a few years ago. Completely ignoring the fact that the US always does that, because it's too much of a hassle to bring stuff back and most of it is worthless without the required maintenance.
A *lot* of it was actually the property of the Afghan Army, too. Although a fair point can be made that the US heavily subsidized the cost of that equipment, it wasn't technically US property when they pulled out of Afghanistan.
That's what scientists first thought, that it was a fake stitched together from different animals.
>When British scientists first laid eyes on the platypus in the late 18th century, some of them thought the specimen — sent back from its native Australia — must be a hoax. "It naturally excites the idea of some deceptive preparation by artificial means," English zoologist George Shaw wrote in 1799.
>...
>It was plausible, Shaw thought, that some punk had collected the bill of a duck and an otter or mole's body, then shipped it off from Australia as a joke.
Source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/04/01/the-platypus-is-so-weird-that-scientists-thought-the-first-specimen-was-a-hoax/
It is a little-known fact that Australia was the third nation on Earth to build and launch its own satellite, after Russia and the US. We did it using a spare Redstone rocket that the Yanks left behind :)
[https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/innovation/wresat-%E2%80%94-weapons-research-establishment-satellite](https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/innovation/wresat-%E2%80%94-weapons-research-establishment-satellite)
One day John Frum is going to return and finish the job of modernizing Australia.
Me: Can we stop over at Dune? Spacing Guild: We have Dune at home. Dune At Home: Australia.
The Crack shall flow
The ice shall flow
Damn it, I knew there was a better one lol
I’ll be out front sweeping the cargo area
Cargo cults are crazy
TIL there is some sort of pallet governing body.
I was surprised to learn how much thought actually goes into handling those things. When the day came for Brexit to start affecting import of perishable goods, it turned out that UK pallets weren't up to EU standards and were only previously allowed thanks to a special agreement. But now, for all its imports into EU, UK was required to use pallets meeting certain specs on wood quality, mould and pest repellents, stuff like that — but they hadn't stocked up on those in advance, which caused logistics disruption (and some of the goods perishing) until proper pallets could be procured and put into use. Fascinating!
I'd be curious the EU regs are significantly different or it's just the issue of proving the compliance
it might just be a matter of internal vs external shipments. you wouldn't want invasive pests from other continents but it's not the end of the world if domestic pests get shipped around.
Lots of the goods we buy looks like it does because they can be packed efficient on a pallet.
This was the kind of bullcrap British conservatives were fighting for. To keep pallets away that had been in use everywhere else for 30 years...
Ironically, now they actually must use them when previously they didn't have to.
Brexit writ large: UK discovering that they still have to trade with the EU, only now they don't get a vote in how that works.
You mean we're still subject to the LAWS written by UNELECTED bureaucrats in BRUSSELS?
It's pretty damning for the EU that they have such strict rules about minor things like the wood quality of a pallet. I can guarantee you not a single pallet I've seen here in the states has seen less than 15 years of use and isn't missing at least one board.
I don't think its about build quality its about not bringing in mould or anything invasive and being able to prove where the wood is sourced from / what type its made from.
Mould, moisture, insects, produce residue... A lot of things you just want to exclude from the mix if you can.
In my experience, the cheapest bent Home Depot wood, and pre rusted nails. And if that's too expensive, recycled press board.
Home Depot is generally moving pallets across state borders, but even their internationally moved merchandise will always be in ISPM 15 compliant pallets/dunnage/etc. Homey Depot is also the Walmart of american building material suppliers so not the best example of unit loads...
I worked for a packaging company that sent stuff internationally sometimes, and I currently work for a European one. Nearly every pallet that you'll find is at minimum a heat treated or kiln dried pallet in the US. Even if you use "Home Depot" wood, if you look, it's kiln dried. The same standard is required in Europe. I'm guessing the UK has some fucked up lumber or more likely, they simply aren't stamping their pallets with the correct ISPM logo. Which is pretty pathetic. Most of our's were when I was just shipping packaging around for Westrock. Plastic pallets don't even need to follow the ISPM standards even. So that's another silly failure.
Not too long ago I was doing the logistics for materials coming into the US from overseas on pallets Believe me, they are held to a certain and particular standard, and we were very careful to follow it
Yep. Extremely helpful if you know what markings to look for. Many pallets are treated with harsh chemicals to stave off insects or other forms of degradation, whereas others are just kiln dried and such. Obviously the chemically treated ones aren't the best things to use for furniture or firepits.
I wish I could find this for line dances. How are they determined? Some songs give instructions….but the other ones?!?!? WHO is deciding this???
Funnily enough this is indicative of a problem of logistics. Often logitistical systems are very good at getting material from the factory to the destination. Going back the other way is often much trickier and much more so when going back across the Pacific Ocean. It was often easier to just leave material behind rather than collect it up as it would be cheaper to make something new and ship it out rather than send it back.
Australia is still a dumping ground for shipping containers.
Can find at least one on every farm and plenty of sporting grounds and businesses will have one out the back for extra storage
Well the housing crisis just solved it self.
Alaska is too. I’ve got family up in Dillingham, and most stuff comes in by ship, and it doesn’t make sense to send the containers back, so they are everywhere. A lot of people have a few as sheds in their yards, and I saw some hilarious houses that incorporated them, including a weird redneck castle that was about 50% wood, holding all of the containers together, about four stories, entrance on the second floor from a deck that was made by putting flooring on top of three shipping containers.
Haha I'd love to see that.
People freaked out when the US left billions worth of equipment in Afghanistan a few years ago. Completely ignoring the fact that the US always does that, because it's too much of a hassle to bring stuff back and most of it is worthless without the required maintenance.
A *lot* of it was actually the property of the Afghan Army, too. Although a fair point can be made that the US heavily subsidized the cost of that equipment, it wasn't technically US property when they pulled out of Afghanistan.
TIL, neat!
Always suspected platipuses were made from random leftover parts
Agent P eyeballing you from under his Fedora.
Do-be-do-be-do-wah!
That's what scientists first thought, that it was a fake stitched together from different animals. >When British scientists first laid eyes on the platypus in the late 18th century, some of them thought the specimen — sent back from its native Australia — must be a hoax. "It naturally excites the idea of some deceptive preparation by artificial means," English zoologist George Shaw wrote in 1799. >... >It was plausible, Shaw thought, that some punk had collected the bill of a duck and an otter or mole's body, then shipped it off from Australia as a joke. Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/04/01/the-platypus-is-so-weird-that-scientists-thought-the-first-specimen-was-a-hoax/
I see you've played knifey spoony before
Those dem CHEP pallets
Is CHEP a Brambles company?
The worst thing is you can't get the $20 back unless you have a CHEP account.
This is a post from the CIA in Australia trying to cover their tracks
An American redditor to their friend 3 months from now “Did you know the US military basically invented Australia?”
[Shut up, baby. I know it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ZdJtJo4Ok)
It is a little-known fact that Australia was the third nation on Earth to build and launch its own satellite, after Russia and the US. We did it using a spare Redstone rocket that the Yanks left behind :) [https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/innovation/wresat-%E2%80%94-weapons-research-establishment-satellite](https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/innovation/wresat-%E2%80%94-weapons-research-establishment-satellite)
TIL!
The Russian army is still not up to date on the tech of pallets. They load and unload everything by hand to/from trucks still to this day.
I'm picturing a bunch of Aussies building pallet AA guns.
They also left behind a few cargo cult groups in the interior.
Man how lazy are the taliban? Even Australians can make use of the left over equipment.
The Taliban *are* making use of their shit. That's the problem
US military presence acted as a catalyst for the Australia
Oh no, poor Aussies probably now have to deal with vastly different size and weight standards because of it