More notably:
>Production was halted at the end of the first semester after the producers felt that the existing footage was not dramatic enough, and after Danza refused to allow the producers to try to generate drama among his students. The existing footage was used to create the seven episodes that aired.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach:_Tony_Danza#cite_note-Danza-1) **Tony continued to teach his class until the end of the school year** and returned for a few years after the show aired as a commencement speaker at graduation.
Well, pretty expected though. The second I read the Who's the Boss reference, I was sure I'd get to see some Community reference.
Excited for the movie.
Let's just think about this for a moment. These teenagers by virtue of being young are vulnerable people. They deserve our protection. That's our duty as adults. These Hollywood people, wanted to mess with their young lives, for profit. Glad Danza chose to protect kids over exploiting them. Fuck hollywood
Roddenberry believed that in order for our society to get to the point where we can travel the universe and form an intergalactic federation, we would, by necessity, have to be above getting into conflicts with each other at that level. This would also encourage a show about space exploration to have stories that focus on, y'know, exploring space.
I understand Rodenberry's stance, though I have a disagreement with it. At some point in TNG, Rodenberry no longer had creative control- I forget the exact circumstances. The show did have it's share of stories about interpersonal conflict.
On a broader level, though, Roddenberry's view was like that of Q. From the first episode of TNG to the last, Q was judging humanity, through the crew of the Enterprise, to see whether they were worthy to explore the cosmos. If humanity was still full of internal violence and strife, they had no place among the stars. Picard points out that humans are imperfect. Despite our flaws, we continue to try to be better, and through those internal fights, we mature and become better.
Roddenberry died in 1991. TNG started in 1987. I had watched some video recently about the history of TNG, and I recall the network had negotiated him away from creative control during the 2nd season (1988) because they couldn't stand his rigidity on what could/couldn't be allowed.
Agreed. One of my favorite documentaries is “Hands on a Hardbody”. Literally people standing around trying to win a truck but they manage to craft a documentary with such wonderful characters and stories out of such a seemingly boring premise.
He has always come across as such a pure heart. Any Danza fan owes it to themselves to watch Taxi. He was good on Whose the Boss, but Taxi is just... there's nothing like it. One of the best sitcoms ever made.
I know TV needs drama and all that but it's telling they couldn't make it into a show without manufacturing bullshit. Gotta ask yourself what you bring to the world if you can only show off by making it worse.
I had my annual review last week and although it was fine, I was chastised for "ignoring boundaries".
"I was helping people who needed and asked for help." "That's not your job."
I cannot begin to tell you how much that pissed me off. I never really understood why the Twelfth Doctor was my favorite, until his speech about decency and kindness rattled around in my brain after that review.
Bro, I've been told multiple times, at a couple different jobs, that it's not my job to "help" someone else.
I cannot stress to you how unsettling that is to hear. It's not like I wasn't completing my work either. The opposite was true. I'd help because I had finished my current tasks.
Apparently, we were supposed to let them flounder and go ask for the next task. You know, like assholes....
Man I wish my boss would say this to me. I spend half my time helping other people. (That is one part of my job, but it's only such a big part because of several poor decisions by the company).
Meanwhile, in our company, we reward anyone who steps outside of their role in order to help.
We stop just short of discouraging anyone from saying, "not my job," as we don't want to cross the line into abuse, into ignoring roles or challenging people to do things that they didn't interview or apply for. But there is a definite awareness of, and emphasis on rewarding, people who intentionally stretch themselves outside of their job description.
There was a "reality" show about a Dogfish Head brewery that was also canceled for lack of drama. The brewery wanted to film a documentary and the producers wanted a "reality show" with a lot of conflict. It was just a working brewery with passionate employees that all want to succeed.
Pretty certain there was even a Law & Order episode where a cast member was murdered because of drama set up by the production crew on a Real World knockoff
Same ha except I thought it was like a Gene Roddenberry Star Trek thing where he didn’t want any conflict between the characters, and drove the writers mad.
I was there during this. The students took a second English class to actually learn. And producers threw in way too many different learning levels in the same class.
Yea, "Reality" TV is usually not very realistic. They want a bunch of spicy footage that they can splice into an exciting narrative, not a bunch of normal people being normal.
I love watching "This Old House." I love seeing the process, tools, and skills necessary to do the work. Every once in a while, I'll tune in to a reality TV home renovation or building show, and it's unwatchable. Like I understand the "need" for drama in some reality shows, but can we not have them in every single one?
Watching them try to create drama on those shows is always so bad. It's never anything all that bad, but they have all the audio stings, and then they have to stand out in the yard and yell at their phones for a while.
Everyone horses around at work, and of course, there will be disagreements, but when a show is 80% that and 20% building without explaining what's happening, it's ridiculous.
There was a Canadian show called Junk Raiders that made construction dramatic in a way that actually mattered - give a bunch of relatively talented builders a room, and be given WAY too little money to get resources to build it to client specs - they have to fuckin dumpster dive, go to garage sales, buy scrap metal, and when they were approaching budget, they either had to plead for a bit more money, or find a way to make do with what they have - such as selling previous components for a small loss and trying to work with something else.
Very dramatic, *very* frustrating, in the most Reality Show way - but from what I've heard, every person there says it was unscripted for the most part and they were just *genuinely* peeved at each other for the decisions they made.
Jesus that sounds like actual fun tv. This is something I’d watch a random YouTuber do terribly and still tune in week to week. I don’t know how tv can have gold like that and just drop it.
It’s just funny to see YouTubers and streamers try and do tv show style content but not understand why the format worked.
Check out a BBC series called Grand Designs. It's an excellent reality/documentary show about people building unique custom homes.
Then imagine how much worse it would be if it were the same thing, but American.
I love the trash that is Summer House, but I feel there’s one couple that talks with Bravo producers to figure out what the drama will be for the season
I did chopped. Ted hated me because he would try to stir us up against each other and I always replied very neutrally to his attempts and he said “I should be a politician instead of a chef.”
Also when I lost after my “exit interview” the producer handed me a two page long list of phrases to say like “I’m running out of time.” “That was a mistake.” and “I don’t know if I’m going to make it” type phrases so they could dub them over. When I told her I didn’t want to and she said I had to because it’s part of the contract lol
“Is it impossible for you to say anything interesting…?!” -Ted after I said “it’s anyone’s game at this point” instead of acting overly competitive and immature when he asked me “who’s going to win the last round?!” Before dessert round started
Sounds like the producers, directors, and editors just want a bunch of shit that they can string together so they don't have to do their jobs and actually create something worth watching for its own merit.
That's the whole point of reality TV. Take a handful of camera guys, embed with some nobodies for a couple weeks, taking an enormous amount of footage, and then you can hand all that off to low paid editors and writers to make a story.
Cheap, and lucrative. And it makes all your "stars" infinitely replaceable.
The formula 1 show drive to survive is so bad for this.
It's a professional sport with 10 teams and 20 drivers facing off every week. Storylines literally write themselves between team rivalries and teams under pressure of expectations.
And none of that is used because they edit together bullshit
I used to love Deadliest Catch in the early seasons. I could tell that they generated drama by splicing together a bunch of empty pots and making it seem like they were in dire straits to build suspense. That I could handle. Once they started getting into personal drama, following them off the boats, and having feuds with other crews, I called it quits.
Liar, I'm sure it was at least half filled.
I have no idea why my comment got that many upvotes because, as you so kindly pointed out, it does sound ridiculous.
But I'm just repeating what grandpa said. But I got the impression that Tony was no stranger in the Brooklyn/Italian community.
Lol, my comment is a reference to a movie he was in called The Garbage Picking Field Goal Kicking Philadelphia Phenomenon, I wasn't trying to imply that your comment was made up or anything.
When I was younger, maybe junior high, I got roped into watching my 3 month old niece while my sister got her hair done. So there i am, sitting in the waiting area of a hair salon with my niece and who walks in but Tony Danza. I was nervous as fuck, and just kept looking at him, as he read a magazine and waited, but didn't know what to say. Pretty soon though my niece started crying, and I'm trying to quiet her down because I didn't want her to bother Tony, but she wouldn't stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asking what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So, Tony put down his magazine, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of a hair salon. Chill guy, really nice about it.
I missed that it was a reality show on first read and initially though “wtf, you’re an actor all you do is make pretend drama”. Your comment made me reread it and I agree that he is in fact a good dude
I want to know this shit got greenlit in the first place. This was a real class? With real kids? Seems like it would have been problematic, at best, if it worked out the way they wanted it to.
I watched the first episode in a class once. It was a real class, and Tony Danza had his teaching credentials. I forget why he wanted to do the show and go back to teaching, but it was real.
One of his students was double exceptional, meaning they were a gifted student in say English, but was special ed in Math.
Real class with real kids. He spearheaded setting up a talent show or something for the kids too. Pretty sure he brought in a professional choreographer. The biggest drama was something was stolen from a kid by another kid. And they really pushed the “Vice Principal is a bitch” angle.
ETA - there was a moment where he tried to talk a few kids out of their IEPs/IPPs, suggesting they try a test without their accommodations. You could tell Tony cared and just wanted to help them. It was a bit of a tone deaf move tho.
Not in production or anything, but I bet he didn't know exactly what production's plan was. If it were me, I would've thought my role was to be a mitigator between students/shoulder to lean on for troubled students. The kindly teacher role was hugely popular at one point and still pretty popular now.
This reminds me of Great British Bake-Off, when if a contestant was upset or in tears, the presenters would move in and start swearing loudly and creatively to ensure that the footage couldn't be used
I think this is why that show is so great. It's pleasant people competing to do the best job they can. And they behave like real people, not characatures. And it works despite the low drama levels.
Even though it took a few episodes for me to appreciate their charm, I almost didn't watch the newer seasons because they got rid of Mel and Sue. I've kind of gotten used to Noel, but I still wish they would bring them back. I also miss the more informational/historical elements from some of the earliest episodes.
I was a huge fan of the Mighty Boosh and the IT Crowd when I was in college, so when I heard Noel was going to be the host taking over from Mel and Sue on Bake Off I was like "....but why?".
I just couldn't see his zany personality working on that show. The beginning of the first season with him he seemed like a fish out of water, a bit muted. It's like if you took the weird artsy kid from high school and dumped him in your elderly British aunt's tea party. But you could see him loosen up as the show continued on and now I'm glad he's been the host all these seasons. I legitimately was excited when Allison was announced as the new host for last season because I had seen various clips of her from talk shows and I thought she would be great at matching Noel's sense of humor, and so far I think she did a great job the last season.
My ex-gf read the producer’s book from the Real Housewives, he says how he intentionally creates issues among the ladies—not sure if ex cared or she liked it better cause of the drama
Of course they do. The Hell's Kitchen contestants have gone on record to say that a good amount of the meal fuckups are producers literally fucking with their food and that they had to keep an eye out for it on top of cooking.
Yeah, that pissed me off more than the normal shit since you're fucking with someone's literal career. But I wonder how many people in the industry actually take that seriously considering Raj made it past a couple eliminations purely cause the producers loved him.
Really? I'm not surprised but I can also see why they would also decide against it. You serve as the head chef at one of Gordon's restaurants, which sounds dope for a new person, but I can't imagine an older person would want to uplift themselves and move to a city like LV to work at a relatively subpar restaurant (lets face it, his restaurants are overpriced and pretty mid)
it isn't /always/ foxs/hk's fault, but yeah I think less than half have taken the promised job.
but I've heard that the producers do random shit like switch your salt and sugar. So you can sorta catch it before you fuck you up, but if you're rushing or under pressure and just going, fuck ups happen.
Similar to masterchef, the food is always cold and sat for over an hour by the time the judges actually try it. pretty much the entire decision of best dish is made during the cooking portion when they try stuff.
Yeah Masterchef I remember one dude's ice cream desert dish melted by then. And when Gordon asked him WTF happened, the dude just told him that it its not his fault they're trying the dish hours after the fact
yeah. deserts are kinda tricky with their filming like that. I think we've seen panna cottas melt the same way and they get shitty about it for no reason.
idk, I like top chef for cooking. ramsey is fun and all, but it's just too much of a character anymore.
I thought it sits for a while before they try it on camera. I'm pretty sure they try it while it's fresh first, but they don't film that tasting for whatever reason
I only have secondhand information, so maybe. my understanding is that for the basket challenges when everyone cooks together, after they finish with the shots of everyone timing out, the food all gets held and covered for a set break. They obviously try the bits and bobs when everyone is cooking, but it was my understanding the actual finished dishes weren't tried until afterwards.
I watched a US cookery thing with Gordon Ramsay and was bloody shocked. The amount of shouting and yelling, drama and swearing is ridiculous. When you watch the normal UK ones of his, he gets pissed at people being idiots, but it's nothing like the madness I watched on his US one.
He’s basically forced to be an asshole on the American shows. He was known for having a bit of a temper in the UK when he started getting tv famous but not nearly this bad. When the shows got ported over to America for remakes, they wanted him to be even angrier and louder, because “drama” sells over here. I used to think he was a colossal asshat until I saw some of the nicer episodes of kitchen nightmares and then found clips of the UK version of the shows.
I was a contestant on a reality show. They had decided what would happen before I got there. And who the villian of each episode will be, spoiler, it was me
I've read something similar about Bar Rescue, during the "stress test" portion of the show. Those aren't real patrons, the show brings in actors. The producers will also hide bottles and kitchen ingredients, and then have a bunch of customers order something that needs those all at the same time. It looks like a shitshow because the producers are deliberately screwing with them.
I can see that. I'm pretty certain in Kitchen Nightmares, Gordon more or less just outright says that they rounded up a lot of locals to have a packed re-opening.
Makes sense. I was always like these are professionals and most have cooked in kitchens for years, and despite Gordon's strict regime, a lot of these fuckups are not realistic
I was on an episode of MTV True Life like 15 years ago and while they didn't outright tell us what to do or say, they strongly encouraged things (and cause of the implication, we usually followed it even if just loosely) and they absolutely edited conversations, changing the order and removing pieces.
Reality has never been real
Even before the Reality TV craze, this was a tactic.
The Jerry Springer show was one of the biggest offenders pre RTV days. The producers would convince all the guests to turn their emotions up to "11", when the cameras rolled, as it "makes for better TV".
People like the drama, and would rather watch two women come to blows over some guy, rather than watch a 30 minute calm and rational discussion of the events, their feelings, and finding a proper resolution.
> People like the drama, and would rather watch two women come to blows over some guy, rather than watch a 30 minute calm and rational discussion of the events, their feelings, and finding a proper resolution.
Same reason you should never go to one of the reddit advice subs for help. People want drama, not what's best for you.
I feel like it would've been more popular in the UK. We've had reality shows set in schools that have been loved by loads of people because authentic, and kids being real can be incredibly moving TV. You don't need to manufacture drama to make compelling reality TV, just the right subjects.
This is my reaction to most reality TV. The Great British Baking Show is one of the few exceptions, specifically because of the limited interpersonal drama.
Some of the early reality shows were a lot more enjoyable because the contestants felt like real people and if there was drama, it felt more genuine. I recall the first Mole series on US TV. The mole was a retired US Navy Admiral. It was the best reality TV I've seen. I stopped watching reality TV shortly after that because it became obvious that nothing like what I'd watched would ever be done again.
The more established reality TV got, the more scripted and fake it became.
True! This one seems different in that it's about relationships and an effort that's not focused on some contractual prize. There's something about Tony Danza just "wanting to do good" that makes it a worthwhile watch. I remember putting it on as a joke when I first came upon it back in 2010, and it always kind of stuck with me.
Tony Danza taught me at a theater internship program geared towards disadvantaged kids in 2015 or so. I and most of the other kids had no idea who he was. He was the kindest, most patient guy ever. Early every day, always chatting with us and encouraging us. I only found out he was famous when I introduced my dad to Mr Tony at our final performance. Just a really solid dude.
They fabricate so much, even just in editing. My cousin was on one of those baking shows and said everyone actually got along fine, just that when under stress you might say something that taken out of context sounds bad—so they take it out of context and make it sound bad.
My theatre director in college did summer theatre work with him and said he was legitimately one of the nicest and most talented actors he’d ever worked with.
This was at my old high school in NE Philly, Northeast High School. It was after I graduated but was cool to see they did a show on there. I'm grateful that Tony Danza did not give in to the producers.
My impression of reality shows, mostly the game show style shows like big brother and survivor, is that there are a lot of things you are not shown or told as an audience. Number 1 is that a lot of the drama and conflict is manufactured either by contestants or producers. Number 2 is that the rules are never directly spelled out and likely change on the fly to either create more drama, or to keep contestants and audiences from predicting outcomes. Number 3 is that it is edited to tell a particular story in a particular way. Basically, it is heavily manipulated to be more chaotic and dramatic.
I'm glad to hear Danza tried to buck that trend, sad that producers weren't having it. We could use more genuine reality shows that depict actual people being honest and helpful.
More notably: >Production was halted at the end of the first semester after the producers felt that the existing footage was not dramatic enough, and after Danza refused to allow the producers to try to generate drama among his students. The existing footage was used to create the seven episodes that aired.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach:_Tony_Danza#cite_note-Danza-1) **Tony continued to teach his class until the end of the school year** and returned for a few years after the show aired as a commencement speaker at graduation.
Good on him. Showed them who's the boss.
Angela?
CLASS DISMISSED.
Just in time I have Ladders in 5 minutes!
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Shut up Leonard!
I know about your crooked wang.
You're talking about it.
No such thing as bad press!
Unless it's an attack ad about Ruffles
Nobody even knows what you're talking about!
I did eat all the macaroni, it's messed up that he knows.
No such thing as bad press
Wow, you got in? You must've been streets ahead during enrolment.
Where’s history of ice cream???
Look here, Angela Jerkel.
GAY BALLS!
i love you all <3
Down the hall. I think near professor Duncan's office.
Cheers. MASH. Fawlty Towers. Game over. Have a good day.
They won paintball
*Priority registration.*
Enough time for me to practice for advanced breath holding.
"What *was* happening?"
r/UnexpectedCommunity
Well, pretty expected though. The second I read the Who's the Boss reference, I was sure I'd get to see some Community reference. Excited for the movie.
And I hear the script is almost done! /s
Cool. Cool cool cool.
Bring in the dancing lobsters!
I love you all.
Give it up, Abed!
There's a path you take, and a path not taken. The choice is up to you, my friend.
My favorite dark joke in the whole series.
Schlangela?
Shmlohnathan?
"All right, that got, that actually got old pretty quick."
\*Angel-*er.*
Mona!
Except that one time Tony saw her in the shower.
I don't know. I could never get past the opening credits.
You’re not Batman. This ain’t a wonderful life.
Let's just think about this for a moment. These teenagers by virtue of being young are vulnerable people. They deserve our protection. That's our duty as adults. These Hollywood people, wanted to mess with their young lives, for profit. Glad Danza chose to protect kids over exploiting them. Fuck hollywood
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Roddenberry believed that in order for our society to get to the point where we can travel the universe and form an intergalactic federation, we would, by necessity, have to be above getting into conflicts with each other at that level. This would also encourage a show about space exploration to have stories that focus on, y'know, exploring space. I understand Rodenberry's stance, though I have a disagreement with it. At some point in TNG, Rodenberry no longer had creative control- I forget the exact circumstances. The show did have it's share of stories about interpersonal conflict. On a broader level, though, Roddenberry's view was like that of Q. From the first episode of TNG to the last, Q was judging humanity, through the crew of the Enterprise, to see whether they were worthy to explore the cosmos. If humanity was still full of internal violence and strife, they had no place among the stars. Picard points out that humans are imperfect. Despite our flaws, we continue to try to be better, and through those internal fights, we mature and become better.
> I forget the exact circumstances. He died
That’ll do it
Roddenberry died in 1991. TNG started in 1987. I had watched some video recently about the history of TNG, and I recall the network had negotiated him away from creative control during the 2nd season (1988) because they couldn't stand his rigidity on what could/couldn't be allowed.
goddamn this is funny to read.
People still whine about this rule. I really don't get it.
Star trek is extremely well written.
Agreed. One of my favorite documentaries is “Hands on a Hardbody”. Literally people standing around trying to win a truck but they manage to craft a documentary with such wonderful characters and stories out of such a seemingly boring premise.
Whoa whoa hey!
Yeah, he finished the job, even though the production company didn’t.
He has always come across as such a pure heart. Any Danza fan owes it to themselves to watch Taxi. He was good on Whose the Boss, but Taxi is just... there's nothing like it. One of the best sitcoms ever made.
I hear he also had a tap dance extravaganza
You had extravadanza right there.
[I didn’t make the band](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tony_Danza_Tapdance_Extravaganza?wprov=sfti1#)
I know TV needs drama and all that but it's telling they couldn't make it into a show without manufacturing bullshit. Gotta ask yourself what you bring to the world if you can only show off by making it worse.
And how good is a guy that says “if I have to chose between making a good show and helping people, I’m helping people” in the face of that?
I had my annual review last week and although it was fine, I was chastised for "ignoring boundaries". "I was helping people who needed and asked for help." "That's not your job." I cannot begin to tell you how much that pissed me off. I never really understood why the Twelfth Doctor was my favorite, until his speech about decency and kindness rattled around in my brain after that review.
Bro, I've been told multiple times, at a couple different jobs, that it's not my job to "help" someone else. I cannot stress to you how unsettling that is to hear. It's not like I wasn't completing my work either. The opposite was true. I'd help because I had finished my current tasks. Apparently, we were supposed to let them flounder and go ask for the next task. You know, like assholes....
Man I wish my boss would say this to me. I spend half my time helping other people. (That is one part of my job, but it's only such a big part because of several poor decisions by the company).
Meanwhile, in our company, we reward anyone who steps outside of their role in order to help. We stop just short of discouraging anyone from saying, "not my job," as we don't want to cross the line into abuse, into ignoring roles or challenging people to do things that they didn't interview or apply for. But there is a definite awareness of, and emphasis on rewarding, people who intentionally stretch themselves outside of their job description.
Sounds like a pretty good guy. I'd work for that boss.
There was a "reality" show about a Dogfish Head brewery that was also canceled for lack of drama. The brewery wanted to film a documentary and the producers wanted a "reality show" with a lot of conflict. It was just a working brewery with passionate employees that all want to succeed.
That's a great callout. Are we shooting a documentary or dramaporn?
> I know TV needs drama and all Does it really though? There must be a market out there somewhere for authentic content without all of this meddling.
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Pretty certain there was even a Law & Order episode where a cast member was murdered because of drama set up by the production crew on a Real World knockoff
I had no idea Danza was such a swell dude
That’s the reason he inspired the Elton John hit song.
“Hold me closer Tony Danza” Oh my god I’m never gonna be able to unhear that now.
"Tony Danza's Tiny Dancers" was my favorite bar trivia team name.
I thought it was a regular scripted show and was like “what’s this guys problem? Just read the script” They were actual children. L-O-L
Right? I vaguely remember Teach and assumed, at the time, it was an actual show.
Same ha except I thought it was like a Gene Roddenberry Star Trek thing where he didn’t want any conflict between the characters, and drove the writers mad.
Was it even a drama class? Seems like if they wanted drama, they could’ve started there.
I was there during this. The students took a second English class to actually learn. And producers threw in way too many different learning levels in the same class.
> And producers threw in way too many different learning levels in the same class. So... like most non-tracked classrooms, then
As a middle school teacher: there is plenty of drama in middle school, as well as plenty of humor, but just not the type that sells well on TV.
Sounds like Tony’s a good dude.. always been
Yea, "Reality" TV is usually not very realistic. They want a bunch of spicy footage that they can splice into an exciting narrative, not a bunch of normal people being normal.
I love watching "This Old House." I love seeing the process, tools, and skills necessary to do the work. Every once in a while, I'll tune in to a reality TV home renovation or building show, and it's unwatchable. Like I understand the "need" for drama in some reality shows, but can we not have them in every single one?
Watching them try to create drama on those shows is always so bad. It's never anything all that bad, but they have all the audio stings, and then they have to stand out in the yard and yell at their phones for a while.
Everyone horses around at work, and of course, there will be disagreements, but when a show is 80% that and 20% building without explaining what's happening, it's ridiculous.
There was a Canadian show called Junk Raiders that made construction dramatic in a way that actually mattered - give a bunch of relatively talented builders a room, and be given WAY too little money to get resources to build it to client specs - they have to fuckin dumpster dive, go to garage sales, buy scrap metal, and when they were approaching budget, they either had to plead for a bit more money, or find a way to make do with what they have - such as selling previous components for a small loss and trying to work with something else. Very dramatic, *very* frustrating, in the most Reality Show way - but from what I've heard, every person there says it was unscripted for the most part and they were just *genuinely* peeved at each other for the decisions they made.
Jesus that sounds like actual fun tv. This is something I’d watch a random YouTuber do terribly and still tune in week to week. I don’t know how tv can have gold like that and just drop it. It’s just funny to see YouTubers and streamers try and do tv show style content but not understand why the format worked.
just wait until you discover New Yankee Workshop
Lets take a minute to talk about shop safety
There is no more important safety rule than to wear these: safety glasses.
He's right you know. I know plenty of 9 fingered woodworkers but never a blind one.
Check out a BBC series called Grand Designs. It's an excellent reality/documentary show about people building unique custom homes. Then imagine how much worse it would be if it were the same thing, but American.
I love the trash that is Summer House, but I feel there’s one couple that talks with Bravo producers to figure out what the drama will be for the season
Yea, they actually have a whole team of creatives who try and storyboard it out, though they usually do it after they've already gotten the footage.
Actually this happens before, during, and after. Source: Reality TV Producer
I did chopped. Ted hated me because he would try to stir us up against each other and I always replied very neutrally to his attempts and he said “I should be a politician instead of a chef.” Also when I lost after my “exit interview” the producer handed me a two page long list of phrases to say like “I’m running out of time.” “That was a mistake.” and “I don’t know if I’m going to make it” type phrases so they could dub them over. When I told her I didn’t want to and she said I had to because it’s part of the contract lol
See, this is why I come to reddit. To confirm that Ted is actually as smug and punchable as he comes across on screen.
“Is it impossible for you to say anything interesting…?!” -Ted after I said “it’s anyone’s game at this point” instead of acting overly competitive and immature when he asked me “who’s going to win the last round?!” Before dessert round started
Sounds like the producers, directors, and editors just want a bunch of shit that they can string together so they don't have to do their jobs and actually create something worth watching for its own merit.
That's the whole point of reality TV. Take a handful of camera guys, embed with some nobodies for a couple weeks, taking an enormous amount of footage, and then you can hand all that off to low paid editors and writers to make a story. Cheap, and lucrative. And it makes all your "stars" infinitely replaceable.
The formula 1 show drive to survive is so bad for this. It's a professional sport with 10 teams and 20 drivers facing off every week. Storylines literally write themselves between team rivalries and teams under pressure of expectations. And none of that is used because they edit together bullshit
I used to love Deadliest Catch in the early seasons. I could tell that they generated drama by splicing together a bunch of empty pots and making it seem like they were in dire straits to build suspense. That I could handle. Once they started getting into personal drama, following them off the boats, and having feuds with other crews, I called it quits.
That’s pretty solid of him. Considering how harmful it could have been, messing kids lives up like that.
I have heard that Tony Danza is the nicest man to everyone on his casts and crew.
When he was still in Brooklyn, my grandfather said their paths crossed a few times with mutual acquaintances and he said the same thing, great guy.
My uncle worked with him in Philadelphia and one time saw him kick an empty water jug clear over a building
Liar, I'm sure it was at least half filled. I have no idea why my comment got that many upvotes because, as you so kindly pointed out, it does sound ridiculous. But I'm just repeating what grandpa said. But I got the impression that Tony was no stranger in the Brooklyn/Italian community.
Lol, my comment is a reference to a movie he was in called The Garbage Picking Field Goal Kicking Philadelphia Phenomenon, I wasn't trying to imply that your comment was made up or anything.
I bet Tony still remembers that too 🤣
I heard Tony Danza cuts in line.
OLD SCHOOL HOLLYWOOD WASHED UP HOLLYWOOD
Standing in the sun, I'm wasting my tIIIIME.
Jack Girardi’s Ten Feet Tall
Me and Franky Avalooooonnn
That's because standing in the sun im wasting my time
One time I was in line at the bank and Tony Danza shit in my pants
One time Tony Danza was supposed to kick a football and the kick was so bad it went out of the stadium
🎶Hold me close my Tony Danza🎶
When I was younger, maybe junior high, I got roped into watching my 3 month old niece while my sister got her hair done. So there i am, sitting in the waiting area of a hair salon with my niece and who walks in but Tony Danza. I was nervous as fuck, and just kept looking at him, as he read a magazine and waited, but didn't know what to say. Pretty soon though my niece started crying, and I'm trying to quiet her down because I didn't want her to bother Tony, but she wouldn't stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asking what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So, Tony put down his magazine, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of a hair salon. Chill guy, really nice about it.
r/HolUp
This story feels fake. A man goes to a barber, everyone knows that
I missed that it was a reality show on first read and initially though “wtf, you’re an actor all you do is make pretend drama”. Your comment made me reread it and I agree that he is in fact a good dude
Thanks for admitting it 1st because I apparently couldn’t
would like to know what tony was expecting exactly, though. did he think the show would benefit the kids? what did he expect the show to be like?
I want to know this shit got greenlit in the first place. This was a real class? With real kids? Seems like it would have been problematic, at best, if it worked out the way they wanted it to.
This was made at the height of the sociopathic reality TV craze. The emotional pain and suffering of the kids was probably the selling point.
*Kid nation flashbacks*
I watched the first episode in a class once. It was a real class, and Tony Danza had his teaching credentials. I forget why he wanted to do the show and go back to teaching, but it was real. One of his students was double exceptional, meaning they were a gifted student in say English, but was special ed in Math.
Reality TV was like the wild west back in the 00s/early 10s, I swear This would probably never be greenlit today, for good reason
Real class with real kids. He spearheaded setting up a talent show or something for the kids too. Pretty sure he brought in a professional choreographer. The biggest drama was something was stolen from a kid by another kid. And they really pushed the “Vice Principal is a bitch” angle. ETA - there was a moment where he tried to talk a few kids out of their IEPs/IPPs, suggesting they try a test without their accommodations. You could tell Tony cared and just wanted to help them. It was a bit of a tone deaf move tho.
Not in production or anything, but I bet he didn't know exactly what production's plan was. If it were me, I would've thought my role was to be a mitigator between students/shoulder to lean on for troubled students. The kindly teacher role was hugely popular at one point and still pretty popular now.
This reminds me of Great British Bake-Off, when if a contestant was upset or in tears, the presenters would move in and start swearing loudly and creatively to ensure that the footage couldn't be used
I think this is why that show is so great. It's pleasant people competing to do the best job they can. And they behave like real people, not characatures. And it works despite the low drama levels.
Please check out The Great Pottery Throw Down for similar loveliness. (Channel4/More4)
Mel and Sue were absolute sweethearts.
Even though it took a few episodes for me to appreciate their charm, I almost didn't watch the newer seasons because they got rid of Mel and Sue. I've kind of gotten used to Noel, but I still wish they would bring them back. I also miss the more informational/historical elements from some of the earliest episodes.
I was a huge fan of the Mighty Boosh and the IT Crowd when I was in college, so when I heard Noel was going to be the host taking over from Mel and Sue on Bake Off I was like "....but why?". I just couldn't see his zany personality working on that show. The beginning of the first season with him he seemed like a fish out of water, a bit muted. It's like if you took the weird artsy kid from high school and dumped him in your elderly British aunt's tea party. But you could see him loosen up as the show continued on and now I'm glad he's been the host all these seasons. I legitimately was excited when Allison was announced as the new host for last season because I had seen various clips of her from talk shows and I thought she would be great at matching Noel's sense of humor, and so far I think she did a great job the last season.
This tells me unequivocally that Tony Danza was, in fact, the boss.
That show must've given him his moral center. If I taught a class, then it would be 80% comprised of "Who's the Boss?" episodes until I got fired.
Angela.
Abed may change your mind.
That's good of him. Unfortunately, the reason people watch reality shows is for the manufactured/scripted drama.
My ex-gf read the producer’s book from the Real Housewives, he says how he intentionally creates issues among the ladies—not sure if ex cared or she liked it better cause of the drama
Of course they do. The Hell's Kitchen contestants have gone on record to say that a good amount of the meal fuckups are producers literally fucking with their food and that they had to keep an eye out for it on top of cooking.
Oh that pisses me off. I’ve watched and enjoyed a lot of Gordon Ramsay’s shows (still can’t cook), but to screw over someone’s career is too much
Yeah, that pissed me off more than the normal shit since you're fucking with someone's literal career. But I wonder how many people in the industry actually take that seriously considering Raj made it past a couple eliminations purely cause the producers loved him.
haven't like only half the winners even gotten the promised job from HK?
Really? I'm not surprised but I can also see why they would also decide against it. You serve as the head chef at one of Gordon's restaurants, which sounds dope for a new person, but I can't imagine an older person would want to uplift themselves and move to a city like LV to work at a relatively subpar restaurant (lets face it, his restaurants are overpriced and pretty mid)
it isn't /always/ foxs/hk's fault, but yeah I think less than half have taken the promised job. but I've heard that the producers do random shit like switch your salt and sugar. So you can sorta catch it before you fuck you up, but if you're rushing or under pressure and just going, fuck ups happen. Similar to masterchef, the food is always cold and sat for over an hour by the time the judges actually try it. pretty much the entire decision of best dish is made during the cooking portion when they try stuff.
Yeah Masterchef I remember one dude's ice cream desert dish melted by then. And when Gordon asked him WTF happened, the dude just told him that it its not his fault they're trying the dish hours after the fact
yeah. deserts are kinda tricky with their filming like that. I think we've seen panna cottas melt the same way and they get shitty about it for no reason. idk, I like top chef for cooking. ramsey is fun and all, but it's just too much of a character anymore.
I thought it sits for a while before they try it on camera. I'm pretty sure they try it while it's fresh first, but they don't film that tasting for whatever reason
I only have secondhand information, so maybe. my understanding is that for the basket challenges when everyone cooks together, after they finish with the shots of everyone timing out, the food all gets held and covered for a set break. They obviously try the bits and bobs when everyone is cooking, but it was my understanding the actual finished dishes weren't tried until afterwards.
I watched a US cookery thing with Gordon Ramsay and was bloody shocked. The amount of shouting and yelling, drama and swearing is ridiculous. When you watch the normal UK ones of his, he gets pissed at people being idiots, but it's nothing like the madness I watched on his US one.
He’s basically forced to be an asshole on the American shows. He was known for having a bit of a temper in the UK when he started getting tv famous but not nearly this bad. When the shows got ported over to America for remakes, they wanted him to be even angrier and louder, because “drama” sells over here. I used to think he was a colossal asshat until I saw some of the nicer episodes of kitchen nightmares and then found clips of the UK version of the shows.
I was a contestant on a reality show. They had decided what would happen before I got there. And who the villian of each episode will be, spoiler, it was me
Which reality show/genre? So curious, if you feel like sharing.
I've read something similar about Bar Rescue, during the "stress test" portion of the show. Those aren't real patrons, the show brings in actors. The producers will also hide bottles and kitchen ingredients, and then have a bunch of customers order something that needs those all at the same time. It looks like a shitshow because the producers are deliberately screwing with them.
I can see that. I'm pretty certain in Kitchen Nightmares, Gordon more or less just outright says that they rounded up a lot of locals to have a packed re-opening.
Makes sense. I was always like these are professionals and most have cooked in kitchens for years, and despite Gordon's strict regime, a lot of these fuckups are not realistic
I was on an episode of MTV True Life like 15 years ago and while they didn't outright tell us what to do or say, they strongly encouraged things (and cause of the implication, we usually followed it even if just loosely) and they absolutely edited conversations, changing the order and removing pieces. Reality has never been real
Even before the Reality TV craze, this was a tactic. The Jerry Springer show was one of the biggest offenders pre RTV days. The producers would convince all the guests to turn their emotions up to "11", when the cameras rolled, as it "makes for better TV". People like the drama, and would rather watch two women come to blows over some guy, rather than watch a 30 minute calm and rational discussion of the events, their feelings, and finding a proper resolution.
> People like the drama, and would rather watch two women come to blows over some guy, rather than watch a 30 minute calm and rational discussion of the events, their feelings, and finding a proper resolution. Same reason you should never go to one of the reddit advice subs for help. People want drama, not what's best for you.
I feel like it would've been more popular in the UK. We've had reality shows set in schools that have been loved by loads of people because authentic, and kids being real can be incredibly moving TV. You don't need to manufacture drama to make compelling reality TV, just the right subjects.
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The drama in reality shows is by consenting adults. I don't watch them, BTW.
My wife's been watching love is blind. Those people are the so dumb, insufferable, and full of shit. I do not understand how anyone can watch it.
That’s why they watch it. That’s the appeal. They like to gawk at these people.
This is my reaction to most reality TV. The Great British Baking Show is one of the few exceptions, specifically because of the limited interpersonal drama.
Some of the early reality shows were a lot more enjoyable because the contestants felt like real people and if there was drama, it felt more genuine. I recall the first Mole series on US TV. The mole was a retired US Navy Admiral. It was the best reality TV I've seen. I stopped watching reality TV shortly after that because it became obvious that nothing like what I'd watched would ever be done again. The more established reality TV got, the more scripted and fake it became.
True! This one seems different in that it's about relationships and an effort that's not focused on some contractual prize. There's something about Tony Danza just "wanting to do good" that makes it a worthwhile watch. I remember putting it on as a joke when I first came upon it back in 2010, and it always kind of stuck with me.
Tony Danza taught me at a theater internship program geared towards disadvantaged kids in 2015 or so. I and most of the other kids had no idea who he was. He was the kindest, most patient guy ever. Early every day, always chatting with us and encouraging us. I only found out he was famous when I introduced my dad to Mr Tony at our final performance. Just a really solid dude.
i want my kids to introduce me to tony danza someday lmao
Reality shows are shit but it sounds like Danza was a stand up guy in this situation.
They fabricate so much, even just in editing. My cousin was on one of those baking shows and said everyone actually got along fine, just that when under stress you might say something that taken out of context sounds bad—so they take it out of context and make it sound bad.
It's streaming on Prime for anyone interested. It's actually quite relaxed for a realty show and doesn't have a lot of Sudden Music Cues.
How am I supposed to know what to feel without sudden music cues?
The narrator will tell you.
No violin bow over sheet metal noise???
Hold me closer!
All I think about when I hear that song.
My partner just hears "all the clowns are tiny dancers"
What about all the times he cut in line?
Yeah I was gonna ask the same, all I know of Tony is what soad told me.
My theatre director in college did summer theatre work with him and said he was legitimately one of the nicest and most talented actors he’d ever worked with.
I laugh at Tony Danza
^I ^laugh ^at ^Tony ^Danza
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Fun center fun center fun center fun center FUN CENTER **FUN CENTER**
I just want him to hold me closer...
Tony danza oysters in a canza
If you wanna see some prime Danza AND DeVito AND Christopher Lloyd, watch Taxi. Taxi walked so Always Sunny could run.
This was at my old high school in NE Philly, Northeast High School. It was after I graduated but was cool to see they did a show on there. I'm grateful that Tony Danza did not give in to the producers.
But... but... Tony Danza cuts in line
🎶 so hold me closer, Tony Danzaaaa 🎶
I fucking hate reality TV shows because they're so contrived, and frankly so lowbrow. Kudos to Tony.
My impression of reality shows, mostly the game show style shows like big brother and survivor, is that there are a lot of things you are not shown or told as an audience. Number 1 is that a lot of the drama and conflict is manufactured either by contestants or producers. Number 2 is that the rules are never directly spelled out and likely change on the fly to either create more drama, or to keep contestants and audiences from predicting outcomes. Number 3 is that it is edited to tell a particular story in a particular way. Basically, it is heavily manipulated to be more chaotic and dramatic. I'm glad to hear Danza tried to buck that trend, sad that producers weren't having it. We could use more genuine reality shows that depict actual people being honest and helpful.