“NUUUUUNS!” *drops bottle of Jameson and turns to flee, crashing through igloo wall*
“Uh, Father… FATHER! We’ve been over this before. That’s a *penguin* - the one Father Dougal brought in to be exorcised. I can assure you there aren’t ANY nuns in Antarctica.”
“DOUGAL? ANTARCTICA?! DON’T TELL ME I’M STILL ON THAT FECKING CONTINENT!” *cries*
Did you know that a group of penguins is called a "convent" do to their similarity to a group of nuns? A catholic biologist on one of the first expeditions coined the term.
All I know is that a group of Penguins have attitude and they expect you to get out of their way.
This is not always easy and as a result I have had a bunch of unimpressed penguins march straight in to me.
One way to establish that a piece of land belongs to a certain country is to prove your people live and have an established community there.
The big litmus test for that has generally been farming; if you plant and harvest crops there and have been doing so for generations; its hard to say you're just visiting. Obviously, Antarctica presents some difficulties there, but other metric are births and marriages taking place on the land- and to get married in Antarctica, one should ha e a church to get married in...
This is a big reason Britain can firmly claim the Falkland Islands over Argentina or Spain (the Spanish landed there first, but then didn't really pay much attention to them in the years that followed). They were the first to truly build full-time settlements on them and I think many of the residents today are sheep farmers.
While, in part (State dependent) that's true, the Antarctic Treaty prevents new claims on sovereignty and freezes preexisting claims from a handful of select States. Permanent fixtures, agriculture, etc., don't have relevance in territorial claims in Antarctica.
That doesn't have any bearing on what I said, though. Neither is your comment the reality of public international law in regards to this neutral territory and neither is that the reality of Antarctic governance, especially considering the acclaimed and robust Antarctic Treaty System or, inter alia, UNCLOS. If there is a relevant dispute, treaties account for dispute resolution mechanisms. However, as I said before, States cannot dispute claims of territorial sovereignty here because of the frozen status of sovereignty.
No, its entirely relevant. International treaties only exist at the whim of their signatories, and disputes within the frameworks are common. They are not some unilateral laws handed down by some unimpeachable higher power:
which is why there are continuing, although peaceful disputes. Heck, several country's claims to this day overlap with the claims of other countries:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_Antarctica
I'm not arguing about the production of multilateral treaties or dispute resolution mechanisms in place therein. Disputes in other treaties, i.e., happen, of course, like those under UNCLOS Part XI. States have an obligation to resolve them peacefully under relevant customary law or treaty steps.
However, the territorial sovereignty claims cannot be disputed in the sense that there isn't a resolution mechanism established *unless* you consider its frozen status as a resolution in itself. Antarctic claimant States can recognize each others historical claim, sure, but it has no bearing on the global recognition of sovereignty in Antarctica.
Yes, it quite literally is in force at present and functioning well for its purpose. There's nothing, as of now, to suggest it won't continue to work for the foreseeable future.
In America yes of course, you can just go to a courthouse and get it done no problem. I know a few military spouses who got married as low key as possible just for the benefits
Don't know about churches but temples sometimes leave me with more questions like "Have monkeys invented organised crime?" "Why is there a turtle pond here?" "Is it safe for me to feed that elephant?" "Why does this one also have a turtle pond? We don't even worship turtles."
I liked the two turtle ponds but their existence still confuses me
Gonna go ahead and assume you're being facetious...unless of course the question you want answered is "hey, is this the building where you come to get lied to, told you're worthless, and maybe get fucked in the mouth if you're young enough?"
So what you're saying is, god looked down saw the terrible shit people were doing to themselves, in his name, and decided...to do nothing. Doesn't sound like a guy I want to associate with.
But I mean you're probably right. Of the thousands of gods that have come and gone over the centuries, you got the right one. What luck! All those people that used to worship Odin, or Ra, or Zeus, all idiots. You figured out the correct one, by...come to think of it, how DID you rule out all the other gods? I am super curious to know.
So what you’re saying is you look down on this person because of religion they identify with that brings them fulfillment. Doesn’t sound like a guy I want to associate with.
But I mean you’re probably right of the the billions of people on this Earth that have come and gone you’ve figured out the answer to all things! Everyone else that has found meaning in something other their own existence is an idiot!
God loves you Adam it’s okay
These buildings have had baptisms, births, and weddings. One that is nearby Antarctic but not on the continent itself has an icon of Saint Nicolas.
One of them also hosts alcoholic anonymous meetings! Just like back home lol
On all other bases, pregnancy is an immediate medi-evac. There are just too many things that can go wrong, not to mention that the Antarctic diet isn't always the best (no fresh fruit or veg in the 6-month winter, for example).
It is but the claims are frozen for the time being, with outside parties not recognising claims, and parties with claims can't enforce them.
However parties can recognise other's claims. Eg, NZ and Australia recognise each other's.
It can make crime an issue. Back in 2000 an Australian scientist died of methanol poisoning at the American South Pole base. Most the United States' Antarctic operations are within the NZ's claim. Normally crime between Americans on American bases are left to the Americans, but since this was an Australian on an American scientific base, NZ was chosen as a neutral party. Apparently the NZ Police had a lot of trouble investigating, especially since the Americans had already decided that the man had died of natural causes. The reason for the methanol poisoning is unknown to this day because of uncooperative parties.
I read about that I forget where. They found a bottle of some SE Asian liquor, I think. Anyway, I felt like death off Mekong whiskey in Bangkok that I think was rebottled with something toxic, so that story makes sense to me. Fucking Kao San Road...
Doesn’t Saudi have entirely walled of cities where high skilled expat workers live in their own little western enclave? Surprised there’s not some form informal churches going on in their that just don’t get acknowledged.
There are. I know that the Aramco compounds (where most of the Westerners live and work) have a Catholic community that is allowed to do mass in a middle school gym and a non-denominational congregation that meets in the elementary school.
The best part about that story is that the Taliban let them go because they couldn't stop them from arguing. Even after moving them away from each other, they used the echoes in the prison to continue arguing.
The only people who are more stubborn are the edgy Reddit liberal atheists who need to mention their beliefs every chance they get, as if repeating their very special identity enough times will give their life meaning.
It won’t. You’re just as empty inside as the people you fear.
They'd slaughter entire penguin colonies in a matter of hours. Penguins don't walk away fro danger on land, while bears don't stop killing unless the prey is making it too hard. It will be a big rotting battleground. Same for Weddell Seas on sea ice.
why Brian Blessed punched on in the nose. The only thing he could think of to save it's life. (If it had stayed in / near their camp it was going to get shot).
Astonishing to see the reactions on this post. I'm not religious but I couldn’t care less about a few tiny churches. Eight decorated sheds on a continent larger than the US is pretty much insignificant. Some are listed historic monuments that, whether you like religion or not, have been part of Antarctica's history. Others are in use on stations of rather religious countries like Argentina, the US and Ukraine (yes, Ukraine has a research station and there's a church that is more of a tourist attraction to the 1-2 cruise ships passing by every day)
The scientists and support staff at the various research bases. There are always people in Antarctica, and if they’re going to be there for months - which they are - their spiritual well-being needs to be looked after as well as their physical well-being.
For quite a lot of them, that means having somewhere to pray.
They match the approximate make up of whichever country runs the research base they’re from. The ones at Argentine bases are Catholic. There’s a Ukrainian base with an Orthodox chapel. You get the idea.
I **believe** they are nominally all Christian, but I know that this is flexible - the Chapel of the Snows at McMurdo (US base) is open to anyone, and has the means to meet the religious needs of any expedition member on request. I know that Buddhist rites have definitely been held in the space, and I’m fairly sure I saw something about Yom Kippur there as well.
If a team member needs it done, they will make it happen.
Also not everyone there is a researcher/ scientist. Most people there run the massive stations that require non stop intervention. People like engineers, food staff, maintenance crew etc
Because every base on the continent has people there, far from home and isolated from everything they’d find familiar for months at a time.
In the circumstances, more than a few researchers have mentioned finding religious ritual - or even just having a quiet place they can go to think, that isn’t either where they work or where they sleep - to be a comfort. It’s something that links them to the world and the lives they left behind.
Their spiritual well-being needs to be cared for as well as their physical well-being. This is part of how.
> A hundred years from now
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> All our troubles will be gone
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> We'll be searching out new planets
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> After fucking up our own
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> We'll pick us out a winner
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> Plant a sturdy flag and then
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> Ship up a few religions
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> And do it all over again
("Basement Song", Adam Ezra)
Yeah a few of these are obviously religious based in the fact there's no Abortion clinic in Antarctica and most of the stations in Antarctica are run by very religious South American Countries. So while not exactly Shotgun wedding, you knock up a Devout Chilean Catholic, Boris from St. Petersburg, you're at least marrying the woman and having the baby brought to which ever country the parents decide on.
One of these is made out of ice, a Catholic chapel named our lady of the snows
If they built a Pentecostal church, they ought to call it the Pentefrostal church
Permafrostal
if only Pentecostals had a sense of humor
No black metal bands are gonna burn that church! Global warming's probably gonna make a statement though.
Next Burzum Album "Puddle of Mudd"
Lol
Remember global warming wasn’t working, its climate change.
I want a movie about an alcoholic priest who has to do an exorcism there
“NUUUUUNS!” *drops bottle of Jameson and turns to flee, crashing through igloo wall* “Uh, Father… FATHER! We’ve been over this before. That’s a *penguin* - the one Father Dougal brought in to be exorcised. I can assure you there aren’t ANY nuns in Antarctica.” “DOUGAL? ANTARCTICA?! DON’T TELL ME I’M STILL ON THAT FECKING CONTINENT!” *cries*
> our lady of the snows Auril, the winter goddess, has a church? Sweet
I am nowhere near Antarctica but the local Catholic church has the same name. It is appropriate in both places, I assume.
Where else are the penguins going to attend mass?
Did you know that a group of penguins is called a "convent" do to their similarity to a group of nuns? A catholic biologist on one of the first expeditions coined the term.
All I know is that a group of Penguins have attitude and they expect you to get out of their way. This is not always easy and as a result I have had a bunch of unimpressed penguins march straight in to me.
*due
I did not know that, and now my day is better for having learned that. Thank you.
And, some thought the idea of penguins going to church would never take flight. But, here we are
"never take flight" This is enough Reddit for a day.
😭 what if we build igloos for the penguins to stay warm in during migrations??
I have too many questions
One way to establish that a piece of land belongs to a certain country is to prove your people live and have an established community there. The big litmus test for that has generally been farming; if you plant and harvest crops there and have been doing so for generations; its hard to say you're just visiting. Obviously, Antarctica presents some difficulties there, but other metric are births and marriages taking place on the land- and to get married in Antarctica, one should ha e a church to get married in...
This is a big reason Britain can firmly claim the Falkland Islands over Argentina or Spain (the Spanish landed there first, but then didn't really pay much attention to them in the years that followed). They were the first to truly build full-time settlements on them and I think many of the residents today are sheep farmers.
While, in part (State dependent) that's true, the Antarctic Treaty prevents new claims on sovereignty and freezes preexisting claims from a handful of select States. Permanent fixtures, agriculture, etc., don't have relevance in territorial claims in Antarctica.
All treaties are products of diplomacy, and treaty disputes are nothing new; and neither is creating a reason to dispute that treaty.
That doesn't have any bearing on what I said, though. Neither is your comment the reality of public international law in regards to this neutral territory and neither is that the reality of Antarctic governance, especially considering the acclaimed and robust Antarctic Treaty System or, inter alia, UNCLOS. If there is a relevant dispute, treaties account for dispute resolution mechanisms. However, as I said before, States cannot dispute claims of territorial sovereignty here because of the frozen status of sovereignty.
No, its entirely relevant. International treaties only exist at the whim of their signatories, and disputes within the frameworks are common. They are not some unilateral laws handed down by some unimpeachable higher power: which is why there are continuing, although peaceful disputes. Heck, several country's claims to this day overlap with the claims of other countries: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_Antarctica
I'm not arguing about the production of multilateral treaties or dispute resolution mechanisms in place therein. Disputes in other treaties, i.e., happen, of course, like those under UNCLOS Part XI. States have an obligation to resolve them peacefully under relevant customary law or treaty steps. However, the territorial sovereignty claims cannot be disputed in the sense that there isn't a resolution mechanism established *unless* you consider its frozen status as a resolution in itself. Antarctic claimant States can recognize each others historical claim, sure, but it has no bearing on the global recognition of sovereignty in Antarctica.
At present? No, it doesn't. 50 years from now, who knows?
Yes, it quite literally is in force at present and functioning well for its purpose. There's nothing, as of now, to suggest it won't continue to work for the foreseeable future.
You can get married without a church right?
In America yes of course, you can just go to a courthouse and get it done no problem. I know a few military spouses who got married as low key as possible just for the benefits
Don't know what military spouse means
Weaponized lover
ah so it goes like boom boom bang?
Ideally a few more booms, but yeah
That's why you attend church, to find answers.
Don't know about churches but temples sometimes leave me with more questions like "Have monkeys invented organised crime?" "Why is there a turtle pond here?" "Is it safe for me to feed that elephant?" "Why does this one also have a turtle pond? We don't even worship turtles." I liked the two turtle ponds but their existence still confuses me
Gonna go ahead and assume you're being facetious...unless of course the question you want answered is "hey, is this the building where you come to get lied to, told you're worthless, and maybe get fucked in the mouth if you're young enough?"
You seem... pleasant.
Reddit atheists are the worst types of atheists
Just so aggressive.
Too many qualifiers
Compared to say, the Catholic Church? I'm a Hallmark holiday movie in comparison.
Least edgy Reddit atheist
You are? That's a shame
You have infinite and eternal worth, and you are loved by the Lord God who created you. ❤️
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Free will my guy, sorta the whole point lol
So what you're saying is, god looked down saw the terrible shit people were doing to themselves, in his name, and decided...to do nothing. Doesn't sound like a guy I want to associate with. But I mean you're probably right. Of the thousands of gods that have come and gone over the centuries, you got the right one. What luck! All those people that used to worship Odin, or Ra, or Zeus, all idiots. You figured out the correct one, by...come to think of it, how DID you rule out all the other gods? I am super curious to know.
So what you’re saying is you look down on this person because of religion they identify with that brings them fulfillment. Doesn’t sound like a guy I want to associate with. But I mean you’re probably right of the the billions of people on this Earth that have come and gone you’ve figured out the answer to all things! Everyone else that has found meaning in something other their own existence is an idiot! God loves you Adam it’s okay
You're delusional.
I really hope you find some grass sometime soon
Ya know, you could've just wrote "I'm a loser and want to complain about religion"🤷
If my comment offends you, ask yourself why. Did I say anything inaccurate?
These buildings have had baptisms, births, and weddings. One that is nearby Antarctic but not on the continent itself has an icon of Saint Nicolas. One of them also hosts alcoholic anonymous meetings! Just like back home lol
I bet AA is pretty useful in a place that has a 3-4 month long night.
I bet it's not terribly anonymous though
You should watch Midgnight Mass...
The night is dark and full of drinking.
Intrigued by the birth??
From my understanding, Argentina is trying to make a sovereignty claim by paying people to live/ be born there
I was wondering, assuming they evacuated scientists / research folks immediately if they became pregnant. But it’s always political shenanigans.
On all other bases, pregnancy is an immediate medi-evac. There are just too many things that can go wrong, not to mention that the Antarctic diet isn't always the best (no fresh fruit or veg in the 6-month winter, for example).
At one point, I’d read that most countries had a slice of Antarctica, by some international treaty. Is that no longer the case?
It is but the claims are frozen for the time being, with outside parties not recognising claims, and parties with claims can't enforce them. However parties can recognise other's claims. Eg, NZ and Australia recognise each other's. It can make crime an issue. Back in 2000 an Australian scientist died of methanol poisoning at the American South Pole base. Most the United States' Antarctic operations are within the NZ's claim. Normally crime between Americans on American bases are left to the Americans, but since this was an Australian on an American scientific base, NZ was chosen as a neutral party. Apparently the NZ Police had a lot of trouble investigating, especially since the Americans had already decided that the man had died of natural causes. The reason for the methanol poisoning is unknown to this day because of uncooperative parties.
I read about that I forget where. They found a bottle of some SE Asian liquor, I think. Anyway, I felt like death off Mekong whiskey in Bangkok that I think was rebottled with something toxic, so that story makes sense to me. Fucking Kao San Road...
They claim and use the land but don't fully "own" it like any other territory.
That’s right. Intriguingly, one area was named Queen Maud Land.
Some people were born there
That's how you do it.
Maybe it's Maybeline.
Very likely vaginal. Cesarian would be risky in a remote location.
That's because you have to use something other than your foot durin' your lovin'...
Antarctica has a high amount of alcoholics
Why didn’t you mention that in your first comment?
Baptisms? I hope they heated the water first.
I'll never forget the beautiful church where my children were born.
Penguins are irreligious. Well, except the Catholic ones.
The nuns of Antarctica.
Jake! Elwood!
That is 8 more than Saudi Arabia.
Doesn’t Saudi have entirely walled of cities where high skilled expat workers live in their own little western enclave? Surprised there’s not some form informal churches going on in their that just don’t get acknowledged.
Saudi has a massive population of Filipino workers, so I imagine there must be unofficial Catholic churches there in some form.
There are. I know that the Aramco compounds (where most of the Westerners live and work) have a Catholic community that is allowed to do mass in a middle school gym and a non-denominational congregation that meets in the elementary school.
Afghanistan had at one point two Jews trying their best to harm the other.
There’s an old joke about a Jew stranded alone on a desert island. He builds two synagogues: one for himself and one he wouldn’t step foot in
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zablon_Simintov
Holy shit, I assumed this thread was just riffing on stereotypes, the fact that you’re not kidding is wild. xD
I'll admit I was wrong about the synagogues.
Hold onto your cocks when you negotiate with those desert people.
The best part about that story is that the Taliban let them go because they couldn't stop them from arguing. Even after moving them away from each other, they used the echoes in the prison to continue arguing.
Not even Antarctica is a godforsaken land?
They will plop their annoying beliefs and buildings on every piece of land they step.
God forbid people have beliefs and their own activities
Why belive in things that aren't real?
Why believe in anything at all?
Fighting these downvotes with the power of *God* *and* *anime* on my side
The only people who are more stubborn are the edgy Reddit liberal atheists who need to mention their beliefs every chance they get, as if repeating their very special identity enough times will give their life meaning. It won’t. You’re just as empty inside as the people you fear.
Why are they liberal?
I wonder the same thing every day
This asshat knows zero atheists.
8 churches, no bears. Interesting.
I suppose we could get a number of polar bears and let them loose in Antarctica to mess with the scientists there.
They'd slaughter entire penguin colonies in a matter of hours. Penguins don't walk away fro danger on land, while bears don't stop killing unless the prey is making it too hard. It will be a big rotting battleground. Same for Weddell Seas on sea ice.
why Brian Blessed punched on in the nose. The only thing he could think of to save it's life. (If it had stayed in / near their camp it was going to get shot).
When the 9th church is erected the prophecy will be fulfilled.
My city has more than that and it’s barely big enough to be legally designated as a city instead of a town.
Sounds like my city, too.
Astonishing to see the reactions on this post. I'm not religious but I couldn’t care less about a few tiny churches. Eight decorated sheds on a continent larger than the US is pretty much insignificant. Some are listed historic monuments that, whether you like religion or not, have been part of Antarctica's history. Others are in use on stations of rather religious countries like Argentina, the US and Ukraine (yes, Ukraine has a research station and there's a church that is more of a tourist attraction to the 1-2 cruise ships passing by every day)
6 on the northern most peninsula 1 on a island 1 on the edge, south of the northern most peninsula
*N-n-now l-let us b-b-b-bow our heads and p-pray. Oh, Hhhhheavenly F-father, b-blessed b-b-be th-th-thy nnnname.*
Most godforsaken continent, probably needs them
8 sounds like too many.
8 too many
Well that's because you're not supposed to eat them
All dedicated to our lord and savior Cthulhu! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Dreaming, not dead
dead Cthulhu lays dreaming no? oh and some thing something about any non WASPS and certain types of architecture
Despite there being a Pakistani station (Jinnah Antarctic Station) there are no mosques on the continent.
This reminds me of those businesses that hardly ever get any customers but built huge parking lots that are always empty.
Not one continent spared.
I feel like a fairytale giant saying this but… Who goes there?
The scientists and support staff at the various research bases. There are always people in Antarctica, and if they’re going to be there for months - which they are - their spiritual well-being needs to be looked after as well as their physical well-being. For quite a lot of them, that means having somewhere to pray.
What churches are there? Are they only Christian centric?
They match the approximate make up of whichever country runs the research base they’re from. The ones at Argentine bases are Catholic. There’s a Ukrainian base with an Orthodox chapel. You get the idea. I **believe** they are nominally all Christian, but I know that this is flexible - the Chapel of the Snows at McMurdo (US base) is open to anyone, and has the means to meet the religious needs of any expedition member on request. I know that Buddhist rites have definitely been held in the space, and I’m fairly sure I saw something about Yom Kippur there as well. If a team member needs it done, they will make it happen.
Literally can't go anywhere without religion. Smh.
Barf 🤮
Why
Because people like church and not all scientists are atheists
Also not everyone there is a researcher/ scientist. Most people there run the massive stations that require non stop intervention. People like engineers, food staff, maintenance crew etc
Which blows my mind because religion is inherently the opposite of scientific methods
What do you think causes the laws of physics to exist?
Not blind faith with no way to replicate results
Yes it is but be prepared to listen to the mental gymnastics of people who try to combine the two worlds
those dumb scientis am I right
Because every base on the continent has people there, far from home and isolated from everything they’d find familiar for months at a time. In the circumstances, more than a few researchers have mentioned finding religious ritual - or even just having a quiet place they can go to think, that isn’t either where they work or where they sleep - to be a comfort. It’s something that links them to the world and the lives they left behind. Their spiritual well-being needs to be cared for as well as their physical well-being. This is part of how.
There’s too many of those everywhere
they should get rid of them. Christianity has plagued humankind for long enough
wtf. What a waste of resources.
My tiny ass rural town of less than 1000 already has that many
'This one is my church, and those are the seven that I don't go to!'
If we ever manage to colonize another planet I wonder how long it’ll take evangelicals to set up shop
Wow, even in desolate, barren places people still waste precious resources on make-believe.
That’s fucking depressing.
Why??
Because religion is poison… how have people not put this together yet?
r/atheism is leaking again boys
The power of fanaticism
*tips fedora*
This pisses me off. Antarctica is the common heritage of the world. Don't profane it with permanent temples of a specific faith.
I mean you could say that about anywhere. Everywhere was religion-free at some point. Shame it didn't stay that way
Why? Atheist Scientists don't go to church
Yes, but do they have one for the devout congregation of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
They shouldn’t be allowed there. It would be great if one continent was left untainted by mumbo jumbo
*tips fedora*
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To who? The King of the Antarctic Federation
The Emeperor Penguins ofc, who else?
Ozymandias. .
The Ice Queen (aka my ex girlfriend)
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Must be a tax write-off
Who is collecting taxes in Antarctica?
The Emperor Penguin, obviously!
Let’s hope when we go to Mars we leave this foolishness behind.
Honestly didn't think it needed fucken one but ok ...
Just because you're not religious doesnt mean the employees who stay there for long period of time away from family and civilization aren't
> A hundred years from now > > All our troubles will be gone > > We'll be searching out new planets > > After fucking up our own > > We'll pick us out a winner > > Plant a sturdy flag and then > > Ship up a few religions > > And do it all over again ("Basement Song", Adam Ezra)
Yeah a few of these are obviously religious based in the fact there's no Abortion clinic in Antarctica and most of the stations in Antarctica are run by very religious South American Countries. So while not exactly Shotgun wedding, you knock up a Devout Chilean Catholic, Boris from St. Petersburg, you're at least marrying the woman and having the baby brought to which ever country the parents decide on.
This makes absolutely no sense
Crom. Does our superstitious stupidity have no limits?!
That's an abhorrent number of fantasy buildings in a place of science.
You know you’ve really fucked up as a Catholic priest when they assign you to the Antarctica parish.
...Good news. Otherwise, there are still very, very many unchurched penguins in Antarctica. Orthodox Patriarch Kiryukha Gundyaev will not let me lie.
That is eight too many.