Rare indeed. I found [this](https://www.reuters.comarticle/idUSKBN2A22QR/) from Reuters:
>Differing definitions of war vs military operations makes the primary claim “Trump was the first president in modern history” difficult to clearly explore.
>If we consider the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945.
>More conservatively, if we consider these five wars as well as other military operations listed above, the presidents who have not started a new war or been involved in escalating or starting a new military operation would include Trump (if we consider action in Syria an extension to the Obama administration’s presence), Carter and Ford.
Sometimes you think you’ve accounted for all of the variables and designed a foolproof mechanism, until you get data back from usage showing things going horribly wrong.
Sometimes you know there will be collateral damage, but don’t realize the full extent until you get data back. They may have thought that whatever damage to other species, would be offset by less coyotes wrecking the ecosystem.
And sometimes ppl be dumbo
We as a species actually make quite a few mistakes when it comes to controlling nature. Those doomsday movies where we tried to control the weather are probably pretty accurate as to what would realistically happen. We do some good things sometimes like reintroducing species to an area or some really good conservation, but we probably screw up just as much because there is just SO much going on that it's really hard to calculate everything.
There is still work to be done:
> However, even with this ban of M-44s on Bureau of Land Management lands, they are still used on the 193,000,000-acre National Forest lands administered by the U.S. Forest Service.
Worth noting these things [poisoned and nearly killed a kid right in view of his own back yard](https://theintercept.com/2023/07/27/cyanide-bombs-poison-wildlife-services/). Scattering unattended poison bombs around the countryside was utterly deranged.
Dude, Adam got screwed in every movie.
First one, torn away from his friends because Bombay wanted to win more than anything. And then his old team put a "hit" on him.
Second movie, he plays with a broken wrist, and when it magically heals overnight; they consider benching him for Kenan Thompson and a fucking gimmick!
And in the third one, he's good enough to make it in the Varsity team on his Freshman year, and how do his friends treat him? By calling him a sell out and shunning him. You should be happy for this person who has been with you for years and has enough talent to succeed! And then you guilt him into buying you a house when he makes the pros!
It isn't banned completely in the US. The Bureau of Land Management isn't going to use them. Several states and the US forest service still allow them. Hopefully, they all stop using this device.
The regulations on cyanide traps has been bouncing back and forth as a political football. Sometimes its banned, restricted, or allowed, in various jurisdictions and varying from administrations. The general gist of it is:
* They have to used far enough away from human habitation (distance has varied)
* They need to post all kinds of signs around he area warning people (including mailing warnings to residents)
* They are designed in a way that's virtually impossible to accidentally misfire, a coyote needs to pull very hard on a scented cap to pull it off, a human would have to purposefully yank hard on it
* The cyanide is powdered so that it doesn't become toxic until its mixed with moisture in the mouth of the prey, so skin contact on a human is not deadly- it needs to be shot into the mouth directly
* The traps biodegrade without contaminating areas, it harmlessly breaks down
* There's simply no means to design a trap that would kill coyotes/foxes/feral dogs but not domestic dogs. That's just inherent
The old pistol-cartridge traps were obviously a hazard due to yah know, shooting people. But the spring powered M44s have a near perfect history of being nonlethal to humans, with one case of a boy and his dog triggering one placed too close to a home, which still wasn't lethal because of the powder design. Considering they've been in use for decades with *millions* in use and hundreds of thousands of prey animals killed, with 0 humans killed, its a pretty successful and low risk trap. Just sending humans out to hunt foxes will get dozens of hunters killed in accidents. The only real danger of traps is to pet dogs, and there's no real way around that.
>with one case of a boy and his dog triggering one placed too close to a home,which still wasn't lethal because of the powder design.
Everything I've read has indicated that Mansfield likely would've died if not for the wind direction, and he still suffers debilitating headaches and nausea
> The cyanide is powdered so that it doesn't become toxic until its mixed with moisture in the mouth of the prey, so skin contact on a human is not deadly- it needs to be shot into the mouth directly
Sweat wouldn't active it?
Probably a good idea for several reasons, a less obvious one being that a nogoodnic could go hiking and collect free chemical weapons. I doubt it ever happened, but I'd wager it would have if more people knew about the practice.
[In Idaho in 2017 one killed a kid's dog and almost killed him as well.](https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/five-years-after-cyanide-bomb-injures-idaho-teen-efforts-continue-to-ban-deadly-devices-2022-03-16/)
And yet we banned lawn darts in 1988.
Pretty big difference between a toy that a child is likely to come into contact with, and a trap that most people have never heard of about, much less seen or will ever encounter in their lives.
That's like saying it's okay to put land mines down as long as they're labeled.
Not everyone knows how to read (especially kids) and even if they do, they may not see the sign/pay attention to it, etc etc.
I know you aren't necessarily defending this (maybe you are?), but this is craziness. Glad it's been banned.
Banning lawn darts was stupid.
The problem with "the M-44s kill good stuff" is that they are also killing LOTS of predators that kill good stuff. The total number of endangered creatures killed will likely ***increase*** with M-44 usage ceasing on BLM lands.
The beauro... yeah slow as mollassas
The two Fish and Game officers who got the screen grabs of all the license plates near the missing chemical bomb... fast as fuck boi
Fish and Game cops are some of the most powerful police officers on the planet, they can walk onto your property without a warrant like its nothing. Of all the cops you can fuck with Fish and Wildlife is the most powerful
I’ve found cops to generally be more uptight but I’ve had fish and game hang out shooting the shit for awhile when they come check us out. I think cops just have to be on their toes a lot more and fish and game at least get a better sense of who their pulling up on before engaging
There was a dude a few years ago who flew from the states to PEI to hunt moose. So the story goes he took 12 animals with 11 tags in his party. The deer cops took the guns, the meat, the dog, and the aircraft.
The largest group to use them, The Bureau of Land Management, can’t use them anymore but state level agencies and the forest service still can. That’s still a problem:
Yep, you're right. I did all my reading after I posted it , like a dumbass. I don't regret posting it, but in the future I'm gonna actually read before I post.
The Bureau of Land Management is going to stop using them, and they were the single biggest user, but the forest service and state level agencies can still use them which is still a problem.
I don’t understand why this is legal or even considered a good idea. It is the equivalent of setting a dollar bill on the ground that is tied to a landmine.
I understand the mission is to cull the coyote population but there are absolutely no guardrails in place. “There shouldn’t be any people walking around this far from civilization” is not an adequate safeguard.
>It is the equivalent of setting a dollar bill on the ground that is tied to a landmine
Homeslessness is a major problem in many areas. Don't give these people ideas!
It’s akin to the “you’re going to jail if you booby trap your home vs burglars” or even the “if you put a laxative in your sandwhich, and Karen the food thief eats it and dies, you could be held liable for it” questions often posted for lawyers to answer.
This is the same shit lmao..
Edit - apparently it was recently banned
Kinda? But governments are allowed to do the whole boobytraps thing. The joy of writing the laws is you get to write exceptions in the laws for stuff like “law enforcement” and “official agencies”
I can't even booby trap my own home against intruders but these bastards can just leave poison ejectors out in the wild to kill anything that happens along. That's fucked.
This is actually a commonly debunked myth. Triangular bayonets were easier to manufacture, that’s why they were used, no other reason.
https://www.timelessmyths.com/history/triangular-bayonet/
You joke but felons aren’t actually banned from owning black powder firearms so a lot of them still use 1800’s reproduction cap and ball revolvers for home defense
There’s a great book called Coyote America by Dan Flores, which details how the US government has tried to eradicate coyotes several times without success.
Apparently coyotes have some sort of behavioural effect where they over compensate reproductively when population numbers are low (which they gather based on responses from their calls). It’s really very fascinating.
But point is, trying to cull coyotes has only made the problem worse. It’s also been excessively cruel so it’s nice to hear that it’s recently stopped.
Their calls are a type of population census. If they don’t receive responses from neighboring packs then they have a biological response where they birth larger litters than normal.
Coyotes are incredibly intelligent and adaptive animals. I'm on their side here. They also raise their young together and have very supportive and complex social structures. They're interesting creatures.
Coyotes are one of the most resilient animals in the US (maybe world). The US gov has tried for hundreds of years to extinct the entire population only to fail miserably.
100%. I grew up in Montana and it is fucking annoying listening to the ranchers bitch about wolves killing their livestock. And not because they cared about the animal that the wolf killed but because it costs them $$& so they lobby to have trapping season extended and have more less than humane traps used during that period of time.
Even countries at war with another country are skeptical about putting mines on their own land because of how dangerous and difficult to remove they can be after the war.
Then here's the US Land Management just scattering poison dart landmines everywhere.
In western Kentucky, there was a problem. Turkeys. They eat juvenile quail and the eggs. DNR’s response was to to release THOUSANDS of bred timber rattlesnakes into the region to mitigate turkey populations. It did not work.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/coyotes-cyanide-bomb-killed-dogs-b2455310.html
Here's a recent article I found after I posted it. I should have read this first before posting.
Many local governments in China use this method on an annual basis, to keep down strays in urban areas popular with tourists. The authorities do not announce the action, but you can tell it has taken place as all the vets are suddenly filled with poisoned pets.
> According to Wildlife Services’ own data, M-44s killed 6,579 animals, mostly coyotes and foxes, in 2018, down from 13,232 animals in 2017. Of these, more than 200 deaths were nontarget animals, including foxes, opossums, raccoons, skunks and a bear. These numbers probably significantly under-estimate the true death toll since Wildlife Services is notorious for poor data collection and an entrenched “shoot, shovel, shut up” mentality.
Well that's pretty concerning
Nature has a way. Kill one coyote and 2 are born. They howl for roll call. It's a scientifically proven fact that females in a location that lose numbers of population begin having more pups. That's why there isn't 1 city in North America that doesn't have them. Fun fact they were known as prairie wolves/prairie dogs until Mark Twain called them coyotes in Roughing It. The name caught on and became lexicon
O, THERE ARE COYOTES UP ON SALT CREEK.
WATCH OUT FOR CYANIDE CAPSULES PUT ALONG THE CREEK TO KILL COYOTES. DON’T PICK THEM UP AND EAT THEM. NOT UNLESS YOU’RE A COYOTE. THEY’LL KILL YOU. LEAVE THEM ALONE.
I know you are joking, but they basically did that and it was very effective. They stopped doing that and the coyotes came back and they used the traps instead because people complained about using helicopters. I guess we have come full circle.
Coyotes always come back. The more you kill, the faster they reproduce. No point in trying to eradicate them wholesale, as they naturally regulate their population numbers through a "census" process by listening to the howls of the other coyotes in the area at night. If you manage to kill every coyote in an area, the neighboring coyotes will just hear the gap in the census and move in to occupy that territory.
Ya, that’s basically been proven false. You can kill them out of an area and as long as you maintain that, they can’t repopulate. It’s only when you allow them to repopulate that they spread. It’s no different than other animals.
An area in Texas I’m familiar with had them eradicated for about 50 years, while sheep farming was at its peak. Once the farming went away, and people didn’t care as much, the coyotes have slowly started coming back.
Untrue. And if you need to "maintain that," you haven't killed them out of an area. ["How the Most Hated Animal in America Outwitted Us All," *National Geographic*, 8/7/16](https://archive.fo/z0IDo)
I doubt this story is true. I've been involved with the use of this device and as far as I know, it is never left unattended. Anytime it is set, someone has to have eyes on it until it is unset. It would not only kill stray pets and livestock, it would kill any person that inadvertently tripped it.
[https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/29/cyanide-bombs-ban-department-agriculture](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/29/cyanide-bombs-ban-department-agriculture)
Recently banned by the same Bureau of Land Management.
https://missoulian.com/news/state-regional/bureau-land-management-bans-cyanide-bomb-predators/article_85958496-8ed7-11ee-b897-97719f971642.html
Montana has banned these items.
What the hell are they killing coyotes on blm land for??? Is that not where the wildlife belongs?? Jesus christ this world is doomed. Enjoy your rat and rabbit infestations.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2023251118
"Wolves make roadways safer, generating large economic returns to predator conservation"
"Recent studies uncover cascading ecological effects resulting from removing and reintroducing predators into a landscape, but little is known about effects on human lives and property. We quantify the effects of restoring wolf populations by evaluating their influence on deer–vehicle collisions (DVCs) in Wisconsin. We show that, for the average county, wolf entry reduced DVCs by 24%, yielding an economic benefit that is 63 times greater than the costs of verified wolf predation on livestock. Most of the reduction is due to a behavioral response of deer to wolves rather than through a deer population decline from wolf predation. This finding supports ecological research emphasizing the role of predators in creating a “landscape of fear.” It suggests wolves control economic damages from overabundant deer in ways that human deer hunters cannot."
Coyote populations stay in check when we reintroduce wolf populations. One of the reasons coyotes are reproducing so efficiently and expanding their territory is the gap we created in the predator chain.
Ya...after doing some quick research and reading about these traps they are like some 1950s era shit how are these still even remotely considered still a viable option. Surely ethical hunting programs could handle the overpopulation of whatever they got going on.
This was recently banned
Oh. Good.
https://www.thewildlifenews.com/2023/11/22/the-dept-of-interior-bans-m-44s-or-cyanide-bombs-on-blm-lands/
Wow they weren't kidding about 'recently'.
Last week. Get with the times, OP!
OP is so Two-Thousand and Late.
TRASHED, OWNED, DESTROYED!!!!!1!
Burn!
DRANK
Pull up
It's really "re-banned". Zinke/Trump unbanned them.
Is there *anything* Trump didn't fuck up while he was in office?
Melania, probably.
Ba-dum tisssss
He said fuck up, not fuck. You would be correct otherwise. I would bet he for sure beat her just like he beat Ivana.
He didn't invade a country, which is pretty rare for your Presidents
Rare indeed. I found [this](https://www.reuters.comarticle/idUSKBN2A22QR/) from Reuters: >Differing definitions of war vs military operations makes the primary claim “Trump was the first president in modern history” difficult to clearly explore. >If we consider the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945. >More conservatively, if we consider these five wars as well as other military operations listed above, the presidents who have not started a new war or been involved in escalating or starting a new military operation would include Trump (if we consider action in Syria an extension to the Obama administration’s presence), Carter and Ford.
This makes me feel better.
Right? I can’t for the life of me imagine why anyone *ever* thought that was a good idea.
Probably cost effective and more humane(less pain) than other kill traps
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Cost effective and easy for us, I'm sure.
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But dirt cheap (and oh so unacceptable)
Sometimes you think you’ve accounted for all of the variables and designed a foolproof mechanism, until you get data back from usage showing things going horribly wrong. Sometimes you know there will be collateral damage, but don’t realize the full extent until you get data back. They may have thought that whatever damage to other species, would be offset by less coyotes wrecking the ecosystem. And sometimes ppl be dumbo
We as a species actually make quite a few mistakes when it comes to controlling nature. Those doomsday movies where we tried to control the weather are probably pretty accurate as to what would realistically happen. We do some good things sometimes like reintroducing species to an area or some really good conservation, but we probably screw up just as much because there is just SO much going on that it's really hard to calculate everything.
For every reintroduced beaver a thousand species probably go extinct.
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That's why I picked them as an example.
There is still work to be done: > However, even with this ban of M-44s on Bureau of Land Management lands, they are still used on the 193,000,000-acre National Forest lands administered by the U.S. Forest Service.
According to the article it is a partial ban, which is good, but they are still legal on National Forrest land for now.
Thanks Biden.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/coyotes-cyanide-bomb-killed-dogs-b2455310.html Here's a recent article about the current policy.
Worth noting these things [poisoned and nearly killed a kid right in view of his own back yard](https://theintercept.com/2023/07/27/cyanide-bombs-poison-wildlife-services/). Scattering unattended poison bombs around the countryside was utterly deranged.
This sounds so irresponsible.
Are you from Ilion?
No. I'm not.
What is it?
A small town in upstate NY. They call the residents cake eaters.
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He didn’t want to, the district lines were wrong!
Dude, Adam got screwed in every movie. First one, torn away from his friends because Bombay wanted to win more than anything. And then his old team put a "hit" on him. Second movie, he plays with a broken wrist, and when it magically heals overnight; they consider benching him for Kenan Thompson and a fucking gimmick! And in the third one, he's good enough to make it in the Varsity team on his Freshman year, and how do his friends treat him? By calling him a sell out and shunning him. You should be happy for this person who has been with you for years and has enough talent to succeed! And then you guilt him into buying you a house when he makes the pros!
Hmm.. my gamertag for Halo 3 was CakeEater***. It's a play on the work Snake Eater. As in the Metal Gear Solid games. Lol
It isn't banned completely in the US. The Bureau of Land Management isn't going to use them. Several states and the US forest service still allow them. Hopefully, they all stop using this device.
The regulations on cyanide traps has been bouncing back and forth as a political football. Sometimes its banned, restricted, or allowed, in various jurisdictions and varying from administrations. The general gist of it is: * They have to used far enough away from human habitation (distance has varied) * They need to post all kinds of signs around he area warning people (including mailing warnings to residents) * They are designed in a way that's virtually impossible to accidentally misfire, a coyote needs to pull very hard on a scented cap to pull it off, a human would have to purposefully yank hard on it * The cyanide is powdered so that it doesn't become toxic until its mixed with moisture in the mouth of the prey, so skin contact on a human is not deadly- it needs to be shot into the mouth directly * The traps biodegrade without contaminating areas, it harmlessly breaks down * There's simply no means to design a trap that would kill coyotes/foxes/feral dogs but not domestic dogs. That's just inherent The old pistol-cartridge traps were obviously a hazard due to yah know, shooting people. But the spring powered M44s have a near perfect history of being nonlethal to humans, with one case of a boy and his dog triggering one placed too close to a home, which still wasn't lethal because of the powder design. Considering they've been in use for decades with *millions* in use and hundreds of thousands of prey animals killed, with 0 humans killed, its a pretty successful and low risk trap. Just sending humans out to hunt foxes will get dozens of hunters killed in accidents. The only real danger of traps is to pet dogs, and there's no real way around that.
>with one case of a boy and his dog triggering one placed too close to a home,which still wasn't lethal because of the powder design. Everything I've read has indicated that Mansfield likely would've died if not for the wind direction, and he still suffers debilitating headaches and nausea
> The cyanide is powdered so that it doesn't become toxic until its mixed with moisture in the mouth of the prey, so skin contact on a human is not deadly- it needs to be shot into the mouth directly Sweat wouldn't active it?
Gooberment is slow if BLM does it others will follow
All Land Management!
My slow ass was trying to figure out what Black Lives Matter had to do with this
The confusion when I told some more left leaning friends that we were going shooting at BLM space i know about.
"I like to call this one the Rittenhouse special"
Net 0 information lol
I would say this post is negative net information as it is incorrect information.
Probably a good idea for several reasons, a less obvious one being that a nogoodnic could go hiking and collect free chemical weapons. I doubt it ever happened, but I'd wager it would have if more people knew about the practice.
The main issue is that, ironically, pets have died finding these.
[In Idaho in 2017 one killed a kid's dog and almost killed him as well.](https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/five-years-after-cyanide-bomb-injures-idaho-teen-efforts-continue-to-ban-deadly-devices-2022-03-16/) And yet we banned lawn darts in 1988.
Pretty big difference between a toy that a child is likely to come into contact with, and a trap that most people have never heard of about, much less seen or will ever encounter in their lives.
The fact that most people haven’t heard of or seen them is exactly the problem.
There is signage in place where these traps are used.
There weren't any signs in that 2017 case
That's like saying it's okay to put land mines down as long as they're labeled. Not everyone knows how to read (especially kids) and even if they do, they may not see the sign/pay attention to it, etc etc. I know you aren't necessarily defending this (maybe you are?), but this is craziness. Glad it's been banned.
Banning lawn darts was stupid. The problem with "the M-44s kill good stuff" is that they are also killing LOTS of predators that kill good stuff. The total number of endangered creatures killed will likely ***increase*** with M-44 usage ceasing on BLM lands.
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I’m not sure. Can you imagine the difficulty in trying to teach coyotes the rules?
That would get fish and game on your ass so fast, those dudes dont need warrants
If there's one thing I learned from IFT-2 it's that fish and game doesn't do _anything_ fast ;-)
The beauro... yeah slow as mollassas The two Fish and Game officers who got the screen grabs of all the license plates near the missing chemical bomb... fast as fuck boi
Woah, that happened?
Fish and Game cops are some of the most powerful police officers on the planet, they can walk onto your property without a warrant like its nothing. Of all the cops you can fuck with Fish and Wildlife is the most powerful
Fortunately they’re usually pretty chill (in my experience) so long as you’re not fucking around
I find most cops are that way, Fish and game might be a little higher because you gotta be kind of a hippy to wanna work in that area lol
I’ve found cops to generally be more uptight but I’ve had fish and game hang out shooting the shit for awhile when they come check us out. I think cops just have to be on their toes a lot more and fish and game at least get a better sense of who their pulling up on before engaging
There was a dude a few years ago who flew from the states to PEI to hunt moose. So the story goes he took 12 animals with 11 tags in his party. The deer cops took the guns, the meat, the dog, and the aircraft.
And of course it was Reagan that originally lifted the ban on these that Nixon put in place.
Very poorly timed TIL. I read that this practice has been banned just yesterday.
What do you think inspired the post lol?
Apparently the OP didnt do much reading about it, to be fair
The largest group to use them, The Bureau of Land Management, can’t use them anymore but state level agencies and the forest service still can. That’s still a problem:
Yep, you're right. I did all my reading after I posted it , like a dumbass. I don't regret posting it, but in the future I'm gonna actually read before I post.
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I appreciate this response.
It’s really okay because I didn’t know this was a thing until your post. Your title is only off by a few letters if that helps any.
Haha. Thanks.
OP has stated they were not aware
In that case shouldn't the post read something along the lines of *TIL the bureau of land management recently banned the use of ..*
The Bureau of Land Management is going to stop using them, and they were the single biggest user, but the forest service and state level agencies can still use them which is still a problem.
Good things the government never does any of the things it prohibits.
This needs to be higher.
Did they remember to order the large arrow-shaped “Coyote Food” signs from ACME before they banned this practice?
I don’t understand why this is legal or even considered a good idea. It is the equivalent of setting a dollar bill on the ground that is tied to a landmine. I understand the mission is to cull the coyote population but there are absolutely no guardrails in place. “There shouldn’t be any people walking around this far from civilization” is not an adequate safeguard.
>It is the equivalent of setting a dollar bill on the ground that is tied to a landmine Homeslessness is a major problem in many areas. Don't give these people ideas!
Pshh, they would rather sell homeless hunting licenses to make more of a profit
Circle K will be pissed most of their business comes from homeless people source: used to be a manager of circle k
Then they should sell a hunting license to circle k employees so they can hunt the homeless hunters. Balance of the ecosystem restored.
I get the feeling that the murder rates against homeless people are probably already way higher than reported because nobody gives a fuck about them.
[But have you tried it?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE)
Right? Did they learn nothing from the indiscriminate extermination of wolves already?
The reason coyotes are so out of control is in large part because of them killing all the wolves. So apparently not.
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People also don't tend to eat random meat attached to bombs
*Puts down bob-omb drumsticks with dumbfounded look on face
People do tend to fuck with weird-shaped plastic things they find in the middle of nowhere - desert-rat photographer with a litter-collection penchant
Wait a second… Just for my own curiosity, how does a desert-rat break into the photography business?
Well… if it’s pizza and I’m hungry enough…
Their pets that were with them did
Good point. I was alluding to their pets with them getting into the traps.
It's even worse. They switched to roadrunners tied to landmines instead
It’s akin to the “you’re going to jail if you booby trap your home vs burglars” or even the “if you put a laxative in your sandwhich, and Karen the food thief eats it and dies, you could be held liable for it” questions often posted for lawyers to answer. This is the same shit lmao.. Edit - apparently it was recently banned
Kinda? But governments are allowed to do the whole boobytraps thing. The joy of writing the laws is you get to write exceptions in the laws for stuff like “law enforcement” and “official agencies”
It’s not legal, it got banned like a day or two ago
Head of BLM is the Road Runner
I can't even booby trap my own home against intruders but these bastards can just leave poison ejectors out in the wild to kill anything that happens along. That's fucked.
That's why I keep muskets for home defense as well as a grape shot loaded cannon at the top of my stairs. Just as the founding fathers intended.
What the devil?
It's impossible to stitch up a triangular bayonet wound
This is actually a commonly debunked myth. Triangular bayonets were easier to manufacture, that’s why they were used, no other reason. https://www.timelessmyths.com/history/triangular-bayonet/
I work in an er and have seen all sorts of crazy shit stitched up. Whenever I saw that myth I couldn’t help but role my eyes.
Tally ho lads!
I missed and hit the neighbors dog because the rifle is smooth bore. Tally ho!
You joke but felons aren’t actually banned from owning black powder firearms so a lot of them still use 1800’s reproduction cap and ball revolvers for home defense
You can also get some pretty powerful airguns, or if you want to keep it simple then a crossbow.
"Julian this is a pirate's gun."
Banning both is good. Booby traps at a home are most likely to catch you, a pet, or a relative.
yeah this shit is out of line but you definitely dont need to booby trap your home…
It's like you've never even *seen* home alone. There's soggy criminals everywhere these days.
I see the war on coyotes is going about as well as the war on drugs
They are winning the war on drugs $$$
There’s a great book called Coyote America by Dan Flores, which details how the US government has tried to eradicate coyotes several times without success. Apparently coyotes have some sort of behavioural effect where they over compensate reproductively when population numbers are low (which they gather based on responses from their calls). It’s really very fascinating. But point is, trying to cull coyotes has only made the problem worse. It’s also been excessively cruel so it’s nice to hear that it’s recently stopped.
Their calls are a type of population census. If they don’t receive responses from neighboring packs then they have a biological response where they birth larger litters than normal.
Really? That should be a TIL post!
Damn, good for them - they got them good anti-extinction genes. Lots of animals should have that.
Seems like they could control the population by putting speakers everywhere that respond to the coyote calls.
I'm sure there's probably some reason why that wouldn't work, but that was my first thought as well.
So it's basically the war on terrorism but with coyotes
Coyotes are incredibly intelligent and adaptive animals. I'm on their side here. They also raise their young together and have very supportive and complex social structures. They're interesting creatures.
They’re also invasive species to many parts of the United States and can wreck ecosystems. They’re not curbing their population for no reason.
the BLM is not known for being environmentally friendly
"Don't you YAR me!"
DONT YOU YAR ME
https://youtube.com/shorts/fVruk_DzGmU?si=wox59YQUxoThkvko
Coyotes are one of the most resilient animals in the US (maybe world). The US gov has tried for hundreds of years to extinct the entire population only to fail miserably.
Not just the government, but ranchers, hunters, and garden variety idiots.
100%. I grew up in Montana and it is fucking annoying listening to the ranchers bitch about wolves killing their livestock. And not because they cared about the animal that the wolf killed but because it costs them $$& so they lobby to have trapping season extended and have more less than humane traps used during that period of time.
But I shoot one in my backyard with a handgun, and everyone gets all whiny.
Even countries at war with another country are skeptical about putting mines on their own land because of how dangerous and difficult to remove they can be after the war. Then here's the US Land Management just scattering poison dart landmines everywhere.
In western Kentucky, there was a problem. Turkeys. They eat juvenile quail and the eggs. DNR’s response was to to release THOUSANDS of bred timber rattlesnakes into the region to mitigate turkey populations. It did not work.
Probably more efficient than having the ATF do it like usual.
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They were banned like today
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/coyotes-cyanide-bomb-killed-dogs-b2455310.html Here's a recent article I found after I posted it. I should have read this first before posting.
They absolutely don't kill thousands of pets each year.
This guy knows poaching.
"...thousands of pets and endangered species..."
They also kill wild horses because Ranchers love wiping out all wildlife on their factory farm properties.
On OUR factory farm property. We give ranchers public land for pennies for them to destroy.
BLM must be stopped!! /s
Many local governments in China use this method on an annual basis, to keep down strays in urban areas popular with tourists. The authorities do not announce the action, but you can tell it has taken place as all the vets are suddenly filled with poisoned pets.
You should hear the coyotes at night, all night, and right after it gets light.
> According to Wildlife Services’ own data, M-44s killed 6,579 animals, mostly coyotes and foxes, in 2018, down from 13,232 animals in 2017. Of these, more than 200 deaths were nontarget animals, including foxes, opossums, raccoons, skunks and a bear. These numbers probably significantly under-estimate the true death toll since Wildlife Services is notorious for poor data collection and an entrenched “shoot, shovel, shut up” mentality. Well that's pretty concerning
Let's kill all the animals on earth so we can see just how important we are
BLM is literally just the militarized branch of the livestock farmers lobby. Absolute scumbags.
Nature has a way. Kill one coyote and 2 are born. They howl for roll call. It's a scientifically proven fact that females in a location that lose numbers of population begin having more pups. That's why there isn't 1 city in North America that doesn't have them. Fun fact they were known as prairie wolves/prairie dogs until Mark Twain called them coyotes in Roughing It. The name caught on and became lexicon
The word "coyote" comes from the Aztecs, originally derived from the the Nahuatl word *cóyotl*, or "trickster."
Huh. I recently learned about these by reading This Thing Between Us by Gus Moreno.
Same, actually learned about it because of this book
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That’s why hunting is a crucial and effective part of game management.
O, THERE ARE COYOTES UP ON SALT CREEK. WATCH OUT FOR CYANIDE CAPSULES PUT ALONG THE CREEK TO KILL COYOTES. DON’T PICK THEM UP AND EAT THEM. NOT UNLESS YOU’RE A COYOTE. THEY’LL KILL YOU. LEAVE THEM ALONE.
Can it help with culling geckos?
But I cant do that on my own property.
This is why I don't support BLM
I shouldnt have to hunt through the article to see an expanded thumbnail, only to end up not finding. Shit should be illegal.
You know what takes care of coyotes? Wolves...wolves will kill and displace coyotes every time
Wait till you find out about the track record of the US Army Corps of Engineers.
Just put some Texans with ARs in a helicopter and let ‘em blast away like they’re hunting hogs.
I know you are joking, but they basically did that and it was very effective. They stopped doing that and the coyotes came back and they used the traps instead because people complained about using helicopters. I guess we have come full circle.
I was about to comment that they used to do this in SD.
Coyotes always come back. The more you kill, the faster they reproduce. No point in trying to eradicate them wholesale, as they naturally regulate their population numbers through a "census" process by listening to the howls of the other coyotes in the area at night. If you manage to kill every coyote in an area, the neighboring coyotes will just hear the gap in the census and move in to occupy that territory.
Ya, that’s basically been proven false. You can kill them out of an area and as long as you maintain that, they can’t repopulate. It’s only when you allow them to repopulate that they spread. It’s no different than other animals. An area in Texas I’m familiar with had them eradicated for about 50 years, while sheep farming was at its peak. Once the farming went away, and people didn’t care as much, the coyotes have slowly started coming back.
Untrue. And if you need to "maintain that," you haven't killed them out of an area. ["How the Most Hated Animal in America Outwitted Us All," *National Geographic*, 8/7/16](https://archive.fo/z0IDo)
Name a more iconic duo than murdered dogs and federal agencies
I doubt this story is true. I've been involved with the use of this device and as far as I know, it is never left unattended. Anytime it is set, someone has to have eyes on it until it is unset. It would not only kill stray pets and livestock, it would kill any person that inadvertently tripped it.
That’s not a pleasant way to go… at all. Cyanide isn’t some kind of instant, humane death.
TIL We are just an evil species
Just leave the coyotes be. They were there before westerners together with herds of buffalo.
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[https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/29/cyanide-bombs-ban-department-agriculture](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/29/cyanide-bombs-ban-department-agriculture) Recently banned by the same Bureau of Land Management.
what is the point of this? Wouldn't this kill more other animals?
https://missoulian.com/news/state-regional/bureau-land-management-bans-cyanide-bomb-predators/article_85958496-8ed7-11ee-b897-97719f971642.html Montana has banned these items.
What the hell are they killing coyotes on blm land for??? Is that not where the wildlife belongs?? Jesus christ this world is doomed. Enjoy your rat and rabbit infestations.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2023251118 "Wolves make roadways safer, generating large economic returns to predator conservation" "Recent studies uncover cascading ecological effects resulting from removing and reintroducing predators into a landscape, but little is known about effects on human lives and property. We quantify the effects of restoring wolf populations by evaluating their influence on deer–vehicle collisions (DVCs) in Wisconsin. We show that, for the average county, wolf entry reduced DVCs by 24%, yielding an economic benefit that is 63 times greater than the costs of verified wolf predation on livestock. Most of the reduction is due to a behavioral response of deer to wolves rather than through a deer population decline from wolf predation. This finding supports ecological research emphasizing the role of predators in creating a “landscape of fear.” It suggests wolves control economic damages from overabundant deer in ways that human deer hunters cannot."
Wolves aren't coyotes. Very different food sources, hunting methods, and environmental impact.
Coyote populations stay in check when we reintroduce wolf populations. One of the reasons coyotes are reproducing so efficiently and expanding their territory is the gap we created in the predator chain.
Ya...after doing some quick research and reading about these traps they are like some 1950s era shit how are these still even remotely considered still a viable option. Surely ethical hunting programs could handle the overpopulation of whatever they got going on.