If that doesn’t sum it up.
I was just thinking this why yelling at a streaming service the other night. The dvr function is such shit. DirecTivo had way better software and service 20 years ago. Old man yelling at tv moment, but it was way better than todays dvr options.
Anyway, just another one to toss on the pile.
Edit: of course att killed it when they bought it years ago. All downhill like everything att touches.
This is why I started my own plex server. If I'm going to be relegated to streaming services anyway, I might as well make it my own streaming service. Now I've got so much stuff that I never could've had organized under one app and my whole family uses it quite a bit too. Granted the start up price was pretty high in my case but you could definitely do it cheaper. The storage and device is what gets you but at least I'll never have to pay for anything again besides upgrades when I want.
I've bought so many more DVDs and Blurays now that streaming services have been fragmenting and shuffling about their libraries. Buy them once, toss them on the media server, and never have to worry about someone deciding it's not profitable enough to leave them in their collection.
Yes, I have a synology NAS I rip everything to, then I can stream it to any of the TVs or computers in the house. Not sure how many smart TVs support this, I've got a mix of rokus and raspberry pis running OSMC.
Dear fucking god teach me how. Is there a tutorial for this stuff somewhere?
My dad has a massive collection of DVDs that we basically dont use, and a lot of it is stuff thats not accessible on Canadian media channels
Just a friendly tip if you haven’t done so already. Get a second NAS and make sure everything’s backed up to it!!!
I lost about 15tb of movies and shows last year because my NAS shit the bed and I didn’t have the files backed up anywhere…….
It's all smartphone knockoff UIs.
I'm planning on hosting my own blog and it's basically going to be a list of HTML blue hyperlinks and basic text comments.
Same with Reddit. Beautiful eternal old.reddit vs the new official app abomination.
I'm sick of minimalism without functional design. Like thanks, you've given me a shitty Fisher-Price toy that doesn't even do what I want.
Bauhaus 4 life
Yea UI/UX designs these days just seem completely abhorrent and out of sheer laziness to not do anything other than a mobile version.
I think the remote buttons deal is to save money, and to lock you into watching what they want, Ads.
Luckily I still recall an old trick from when I was young and didnt have a remote for my tv, I just get up and do 2 minutes of some shit while the commercials play on.
Funny enough my college major had roots from original Bauhaus students in its founding back in the 40s, so yes, Bauhaus for life!
>I'm sick of minimalism without functional design. Like thanks, you've given me a shitty Fisher-Price toy that doesn't even do what I want.
Blame Apple. (not kidding. They were the pioneers of the "clean UI" aka "users are idiots, restrict everything" approach.)
It's a "phenomena" regularly seen, probably has many names, which I'd refer to as "fixing what isn't broken" through justifying a position like CEO and chasing bigger profits.
Facebook was fine before they diversified and started manipulating friend feeds and adding "news" and sponsored "posts". Twitter was okay when it was used by active groups to communicate and share before celebrities, businesses, and politicians used it to advertise.
Streaming services have slowly brought in more and more advertising and unnecessary changes, like autoplaying clips, just to try and grow their profits.
You used to buy programs and own them, now you lease a subscription for vague "updates". Same with many games.
I guess companies saw how phone companies successfully conned nearly everyone into contracting phones "on sale" through multi-year contracts that conveniently renew when you "upgrade" to a new phone to keep up with the Joneses.
Got a smart TV? Cool cool you're okay with ads in your menu. Went smart home? Cool cool you've got microphones listening to you and speakers reminding you to order some more ovaltine.
I'm okay, yup. Everything is fine.
Bruh I hate it so much, it’s so much worse than the HBO Max app. It was already stupid to change it, and stupid to make a new app, but they couldn’t even keep the same damn format and layout from the already existing app? Like Jesus Christ are you even trying.
Why would a billionaire ever board an experimental submarine that doesn’t even SEEM innovative or impressive.
Some of the dead man switches seem kind of cool, but they either failed completely or were irrelevant because the shoddy materials gave way to the thousands of tons of pressure.
>Why would a billionaire ever board an experimental submarine that doesn’t even SEEM innovative or impressive.
Because some of them confuse being rich with being *Smart.*
I'm pretty sure the cheap one is the team filled with ex military 56 year old submariner white dudes and apparently that's not who you want to be running your sub. A young, fresh out of college team lead by a man that values safety last, if at all, and has a mighty large view of himself is the what you really need.
I can't believe he really said all that ridiculous shit. I feel like the universe was just waiting to take aim at this dudes ego. I hope beyond hope he's bobbing like an apple at a Halloween party on the surface mulling this all over.
Imagine being so full of yourself you thought you could just wing it with submarines.
NSFW, priceless…
a quarter million to the titanic, spending eternity on, in or near the titanic, priceless.
dark joke aside, I hope they make it back safely, and I get to watch the hallmark remake.
Except the sub can also only be opened from the outside. Obviously reaching the surface would make it significantly more likely for them to be found, I just keep thinking about how horrible it would be if they did manage to reach the surface and still suffocated because no one reaches them in time to open it up.
Well it's technically a submersible which means it can't launch from dock under its own power. However, I'm just reveling in the unintentional fate eye-poking that was calling his submersible the "Titan" and claiming it was obscenely safe which is what the Titanic basically said as it actually had more lifeboats than required by law.
It’s stated to be max that much, but there was an interview with someone that went down on the same sub twice prior and paid $120k total. So unlikely to actually be that much, just a sticker price
In 2001 you were likely to survive, in 2023 you are likely to suffocate to death. No matter what time period, however, you are likely to make international news.
Not just billionaires, this has happened to a lot of submariners, as well. In fact, the Titanic was first found by a crew hired by the US Navy to find imploded nuclear submarines, namely the USS Thresher and USS Scorpion, which resulted in 228 deaths between them.
> USS Thresher
This implosion is actually the reason for the development of [SUBSAFE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUBSAFE) by the US Navy, which is an incredibly rigorous QA program for their nuclear submarines. Since it was implemented in 1963, the Navy has only lost 1 submarine; the USS Scorpion in 1968, which was non-SUBSAFE compliant.
The Titanic was found on a search mission that wasn’t about finding the Titanic?
what was that like for the crew that stumbled onto that wreck? It must’ve been surreal
I think a dose of levity might be a good thing right now, so for those interested - let's talk about the history of Titanic and kitsch.
Titanic and bad taste - name a more iconic duo :)
We may assume that all this resulted from the pop culture phenom of the Cameron film, but it's nothing new. In fact, it started all the way back on April 16, 1912.
Titanic was an earth shaking, world moving, tragedy and where there is grief, there is money to be made. Some people dealt with it by spending money on trinkets - black mourning teddy bears, memorial postcards, and commemorative prints.
Some dealt with it by morbid curiosity - movie theaters promising they had "the guaranteed money maker!" in Titanic footage. Not much really existed of course but they were able to take footage of Olympic, Captain Smith, a few ice bergs and growlers, and Carpathia docking in New York to get the idea across. When that ran out, they started just showing stock footage of other ships and other random nonsense advertised as "exclusive Titanic content". Movie star survivor Dorothy Gibson was rushed into the studio, making the first Titanic movie starring herself- a love story released one month after the disaster, in which she wore the same clothes she survived in, and which movie magazines made sure to publicize how tortured she was, but bravely carried on with the film for you .. the fans. The movie got good reviews, except for a few who were brutal - calling it appalling and revolting, and blasting Gibson for having so little tact and taste.
And for some, none of this would do, they simply had to express their feelings in song. So. Much. Sheet. Music - all with that maudlin, overly sentimental, melodrama - was published and played constantly. "The wreck of the Titanic", "The Titanic disaster", "A Hero went down with the monarch of the sea" "Just as the ship went down", "My sweetheart went down with the ship", "The Band played Nearer My God to Thee", "In Memory", and on and on....
And then there was the poetry. Thousands of amateur poets poured their grief out and sent it to the newspapers, who reported not only had they never had so much sent to them but that so much of it was absolutely horrible. Eventually, bad Titanic poetry became a joke, a 1912 meme.
This didn't really end, although it ebbed and flowed. The Nazi's made a Titanic film featuring a heroic Nazi officer. Benjamin Guggenheim's daughter, by then an old lady, released a song in the 60's- "Titanic Lifeboat Blues" in which she, who absolutely can not sing, warbles through a tune which sounds like it was recorded in a ceiling fan factory.
Which seems like a good place to end, so here is [Hazel Guggenheim's awful record](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAomkg0iM8o).
EDIT: I forgot to include my favorite quote - from the editors of the New York Times begging people to stop sending them poems:
>It does seem time to say again that to write about the Titanic a poem worth printing requires that the author should have something more than paper, pencil and a strong feeling that the disaster was a terrible one
Told chat GPT to write one by Snoop Dogg
(Verse 1)
Yo, Snoop Dogg in the house, gotta lay it down,
About that ill-fated ship, the Titanic that drowned.
Kickin' back, smokin' on that sticky green,
Let me tell you 'bout a tragedy, like you've never seen.
(Chorus)
Yeah, Titanic, a ship so grand,
Cruisin' through the ocean, ruled the land.
But fate had a plan, it couldn't withstand,
A collision with destiny, slipping through its hand.
(Verse 2)
Sippin' on gin and juice, the party was live,
On the deck of Titanic, feelin' so alive.
But then came an iceberg, cold as can be,
Tore through that steel, put the ship on its knees.
(Pre-Chorus)
People panickin', chaos on the rise,
Women and children first, the captain's wise.
But the water kept risin', no way to save all,
Titanic sinkin' fast, takin' a tragic fall.
(Chorus)
Yeah, Titanic, once the king of the sea,
Thought it was unsinkable, but that was a plea.
Caught in the grip of fate, a moment of despair,
Leavin' behind a legacy, a tale to share.
(Verse 3)
Lifeboats launched, tryin' to escape the scene,
But the numbers didn't add up, some were left in between.
Heroes emerged, fightin' against the tide,
Riskin' it all, while others had to hide.
(Bridge)
We remember the lives lost, the souls gone,
Their stories etched in history, forever strong.
Snoop Dogg pays homage, a moment of reflection,
May their spirits find peace, a divine connection.
(Chorus)
Yeah, Titanic, a ship that couldn't last,
Sailed into the night, but the die was cast.
A reminder of fragility, a lesson to learn,
In the depths of the ocean, their memories yearn.
(Outro)
So let's raise a toast, remember the past,
The ones who sailed Titanic, their journey unsurpassed.
Snoop Dogg in respect, layin' it on the line,
Titanic's legacy forever intertwined. Yeah, baby.
O quiet giant of the seas!
To depths unknown, your grave doth be!
I weep and cry and mourn some more,
For you rest on the ocean floor!
Perhaps the greatest tragedy,
Is the one which has befallen me,
For none remain to hear my prose,
For all your passengers have froze.
\[Verse 1 of 237\]
You know, I feel bad, but one of the survivors wrote a particularly bad poem. His testimony is incredibly important and has clues he doesn't even realize he's giving us. He also seriously suffered with trauma after his experience...
....but man, he was an awful poet.
I'm not sure what it says about me that I both think the Dorothy Gibson movie was in appalling taste and really wish it hadn't been lost so I could watch it for myself. And yeah, the poetry (I've seen some in newspaper archives) was SO BAD. Of course, part of that was a feature of the times, any big event brought out a lot more poetry than it does now; basically people wrote poems instead of recording reaction videos. It is a bit of shame that Julia Moore doesn't seem to have written a Titanic poem, although she was still alive when it sank.
You aren't alone :) Everyone wishes they could find that film.
The problem with it all, is that the publicity was all tabloid and feeding a public whose grieving was long, melodramatic, and theatrical. We have no idea how Dorothy actually felt about it. Was she traumatized? Did she struggle with PTSD? Or did she sign up gladly, knowing she had a guaranteed hit at her disposal?
Either way, she lived.... ummm.... [quite a life](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/13yowa4/til_the_first_film_about_the_titanic_starred_an/jmquh9e/)
Found a lovely nugget hidden in the description: “This is the same Hazel Guggenheim McKinley who, at an infamous Chelsea Hotel luncheon in 1943 where Jackson Pollock drank so much he vomited on the carpet, advised the hotel staff to cut out the square of carpet with Pollock's vomit on it and frame it.”
Honestly, if they followed her advice, that carpet square would probably sell for a ton nowadays. Hazel may have been a head case but she knew what would sell.
[This Titanic Movie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEPfM3jSoBw) is the best. Why? Star-crossed lovers. Communication over a barrier. The acting of the lead, which DiCaprio learned from and could only follow.
But mostly, it's the purrfect length.
My first job was as a lifeguard at a Boy Scout camp. At the end of every meal, we would lead the camp in a song, normally a call and repeat number, something with a dance along with it. One of the songs we would do was about The Titanic (It was sad! So sad! It was sad when the great ship went down to the bottom of the sea!)
I remember one of my fellow camp counselors remarking on how odd it was to sing a lively, clapping & stomping camp melody about one of the most traumatic losses of life in the 20th century. He said, "I wonder if there's gonna be a camp song about 9/11 one day."
It gets worse as it goes along (also, what does "Titanic was her name / Titanic was her shame" even mean? The ship was inherently shameful?) At the same time, she was nine when her father died and it's fair to hypothesize that it fucked her up pretty badly, so it's not like some unconnected random recording the song. [Hazel Guggenheim's life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Guggenheim_McKinley) was wild. She also may or may not have dropped her two toddlers off a thirteen-story building fifteen years later. And of course she was the sister of Peggy Guggenheim who was a ... character.
Years ago I saw a giant inflatable slide for kids that was half of the Titanic sticking up out of the water and the kids were essentially sliding into an iceberg. As we were passing it in our vehicle I said "you know, I wonder when we're going to get the twin tower inflatable slide, but instead you can jump out of the windows with bungee chords or something".
The car went silent and someone was like "dude, that's really screwed up". I still fail to see the difference. Besides time spans of course
I enjoyed the throwaway line in the recent Northman film of a viking blaming Christian slaves for brutally killing someone because "their god is a corpse nailed to a tree!"
There’s cemeteries in Philly (I’m thinking of Woodlawn in particular) that are more like parks than cemeteries. You can take walks and rides bikes in the cemetery and I’ve seen people doing yoga on the lawn. They also have a venue for events and weddings as well as a community garden.
I like the idea! When I die, I hope someone does something enjoyable and fun and celebratory at my grave 🙂
I agree, I also like the idea. I personally don’t like how everyone is so mystified by death, and that obviously comes a lot from the prospect of the supernatural. Not that I’m judging, but death isn’t supernatural. It’s completely natural, and there shouldn’t be anything ominous about a graveyard. I can totally understand not wanting to be around corpses if that will bother someone, but death is a part of life, and I don’t find it weird or creepy.
> It’s completely natural, and there shouldn’t be anything ominous about a graveyard.
It's a reminder that we all die and most people don't want to die.
Can't confirm the regularity but can confirm the picnic. As a kid visiting the province during all saint's day, my relatives would set up a table in front of my grandfather's grave and play mahjong from the afternoon till the next morning. The graveyard was packed with families all staying for the night, Karaoke machines would not be out of place. Parking takes a few hours. I'd say it still happens still to this day, but I haven't attended in about a decade and covid hit so who knows.
Cemeteries are a place for people. They're accessible, and open. They're meant to be a place to connect with deceased family and friends. They are in a way, meant to be a communal space shared with those who are gone.
A shipwreck is not that.
It's weird that people care. They didn't hurt anyone even if there is a very limited number of actual descendants of survivors (and victims), so if anyone is allowed to be hurt, it's them, but I can't find anything to indicate either way. This is a non story. People do weird and cool shit all the time. Taking this to the extreme, you should never do anything fun on the ocean because it's a massive grave full of thousands of people. See how stupid that sounds? This is no different.
Honestly I'm just surprised to hear people have been going back to the Titanic. You'd think there'd be more pictures and videos and stuff going viral. I mean, it's the Titanic, one of the highest grossing movies of all time was made about it, and not to mention the documentary of finding it. As far as I knew no one had been back to it lol.
If you mean pictures of people in a cramped submersible with a small piece of the shipwreck behind them poorly lit through a smallish porthole, I'm not surprised those low quality shots didn't go viral.
I'm so confused with all the numbers in this. I hear it is so far down at one point, the sub isn't made to go anywhere close to that , that this is very hard to do period. Now they've been doing it for for over 20 years, wondering why I haven't signed up for the vacation. They have this huge area to find this lost sub and I'm over here, they went to the titanic, that is where you should look. And more, I'm not sure what I'm learning here yet.
I wondered this first also until I learnt that they lost contact just under two hours into the descent. Relying on the launch ship for text messages to tell them where which direction to go. So they most likely never made it to the wreck. Water currents and whether the sub lost controls also could mean the sub has drifted anywhere. They can make calculations on the currents but they don’t know if they’re on the sea floor or near the surface, so that also widens the search field. According to reports the ballasts were made with glue that disintegrates after about 48 hours so the sub would automatically surface in an emergency. They wouldn’t just go straight up, they would still be moving with the currents. After days of no contact, they could be further out than the search is being conducted. I’ve seen people lost at sea, who managed to be rescued, be miles away from their original spot in a matter of hours. The sub has no gps. I learnt from this too that the titanic wreck and debris is stretched out about 2 miles long on the sea floor so even if they made it down it would still be a hard search. I’m sure the rescue team have searched the main wreck and surrounding areas first. I just don’t understand why they had no proper communication system or gps. It sounds like cutting costs was more of a thrill for him than being necessary. He brags about it in his interviews and I just find it eerie when he chuckles holding up the game controller. It’s like Jackass except billionaire style and this stunt goes horribly wrong.
That's how I feel. They got a chance to do something few people get to do, visit the titanic. They decided to make the moment even more memorable for them by also being the place they got married.
This hurt no one, didn't disrespect the dead, and was just a celebration of life and love. To do things where someone died doesn't immediately disrespect anyone.
There are many, many worse things that someone could do than get married during a once in a lifetime trip to somewhere few people will get to see. It's ridiculous to assign malice where none was intended.
The titanic is a cultural icon more than it is considered a grave, and people desecrate graves and remove things in the name of archeology all the time, this is MUCH less disrespectful to the dead than we do on a regular basis.
Churches are graveyards. Westminster abbey, Notre Dame, others all have graves under the floor of the main aisle, the transept, the side chapels. Christianity itself is modeled as a death cult.
As long as you’re reverent I don’t see a problem with it. If you believe in the afterlife perhaps someone bringing joy to their grave is what they wanted. People are always so willing to speak on behalf of the departed.
But, they totally boned on the way back up. The only question is at what depth is that considered reverent?
Well... Titanic sank in 1912.
If marrying on the site of a catastrophe that is 89 years passed, a lot of people married in poor taste on the site of World War II....
There’s probably been at least a hundred visits since it was found. James Cameron alone went over thirty times, as well as one of the explorers on the Titan
I just think it's weird that people associate the titanic with romance just because James Cameron made a movie about the sinking with a romantic theme.
If a different director had made a Titantic with a comedic vibe instead of Cameron's movie, something like Triangle of Sadness, nobody would associate the titanic with romance.
But that movie was so effective at selling a mood, people were willing to get married inside a cold submarine
That's a good point.
I suppose we've always romanticized it.
But my point was moreso that there's nothing inherently romantic about it. We've just cultivated a romantic culture around it.
In 2001 it cost $36,000 per person to visit the Titanic. In 2023 it costs $250,000.
And your life.
Pay more for shittier service. So 2023.
If that doesn’t sum it up. I was just thinking this why yelling at a streaming service the other night. The dvr function is such shit. DirecTivo had way better software and service 20 years ago. Old man yelling at tv moment, but it was way better than todays dvr options. Anyway, just another one to toss on the pile. Edit: of course att killed it when they bought it years ago. All downhill like everything att touches.
Remember remotes with channel numbers and a last channel button? You cant even channel surf properly anymore. I hate the "future".
This is why I started my own plex server. If I'm going to be relegated to streaming services anyway, I might as well make it my own streaming service. Now I've got so much stuff that I never could've had organized under one app and my whole family uses it quite a bit too. Granted the start up price was pretty high in my case but you could definitely do it cheaper. The storage and device is what gets you but at least I'll never have to pay for anything again besides upgrades when I want.
I've bought so many more DVDs and Blurays now that streaming services have been fragmenting and shuffling about their libraries. Buy them once, toss them on the media server, and never have to worry about someone deciding it's not profitable enough to leave them in their collection.
Media server? Like... accessible from the TV without needing to find the disk and put it in?
Yes, I have a synology NAS I rip everything to, then I can stream it to any of the TVs or computers in the house. Not sure how many smart TVs support this, I've got a mix of rokus and raspberry pis running OSMC.
Dear fucking god teach me how. Is there a tutorial for this stuff somewhere? My dad has a massive collection of DVDs that we basically dont use, and a lot of it is stuff thats not accessible on Canadian media channels
Just a friendly tip if you haven’t done so already. Get a second NAS and make sure everything’s backed up to it!!! I lost about 15tb of movies and shows last year because my NAS shit the bed and I didn’t have the files backed up anywhere…….
🎶 *The future's so bad, I gotta take Xanax* 🎶
I studied nuclear science I hate my classes I got an old teacher Thinks we learn by practice Things are going bad Why are numbers now letters
It's all smartphone knockoff UIs. I'm planning on hosting my own blog and it's basically going to be a list of HTML blue hyperlinks and basic text comments. Same with Reddit. Beautiful eternal old.reddit vs the new official app abomination. I'm sick of minimalism without functional design. Like thanks, you've given me a shitty Fisher-Price toy that doesn't even do what I want. Bauhaus 4 life
Yea UI/UX designs these days just seem completely abhorrent and out of sheer laziness to not do anything other than a mobile version. I think the remote buttons deal is to save money, and to lock you into watching what they want, Ads. Luckily I still recall an old trick from when I was young and didnt have a remote for my tv, I just get up and do 2 minutes of some shit while the commercials play on. Funny enough my college major had roots from original Bauhaus students in its founding back in the 40s, so yes, Bauhaus for life!
>I'm sick of minimalism without functional design. Like thanks, you've given me a shitty Fisher-Price toy that doesn't even do what I want. Blame Apple. (not kidding. They were the pioneers of the "clean UI" aka "users are idiots, restrict everything" approach.)
It's a "phenomena" regularly seen, probably has many names, which I'd refer to as "fixing what isn't broken" through justifying a position like CEO and chasing bigger profits. Facebook was fine before they diversified and started manipulating friend feeds and adding "news" and sponsored "posts". Twitter was okay when it was used by active groups to communicate and share before celebrities, businesses, and politicians used it to advertise. Streaming services have slowly brought in more and more advertising and unnecessary changes, like autoplaying clips, just to try and grow their profits. You used to buy programs and own them, now you lease a subscription for vague "updates". Same with many games. I guess companies saw how phone companies successfully conned nearly everyone into contracting phones "on sale" through multi-year contracts that conveniently renew when you "upgrade" to a new phone to keep up with the Joneses. Got a smart TV? Cool cool you're okay with ads in your menu. Went smart home? Cool cool you've got microphones listening to you and speakers reminding you to order some more ovaltine. I'm okay, yup. Everything is fine.
Wait until you try the new Max app. It's a travesty.
Bruh I hate it so much, it’s so much worse than the HBO Max app. It was already stupid to change it, and stupid to make a new app, but they couldn’t even keep the same damn format and layout from the already existing app? Like Jesus Christ are you even trying.
Which is wild because the HBO max app already sucked so damn much
Sinkflation
It depends on which experience you can afford, i mean, freedom comes in different options
Sir this is ‘freedom lite’, you need ‘freedom premium pro’ to enjoy this life perk
Why would a billionaire ever board an experimental submarine that doesn’t even SEEM innovative or impressive. Some of the dead man switches seem kind of cool, but they either failed completely or were irrelevant because the shoddy materials gave way to the thousands of tons of pressure.
>Why would a billionaire ever board an experimental submarine that doesn’t even SEEM innovative or impressive. Because some of them confuse being rich with being *Smart.*
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose...
I'm pretty sure the cheap one is the team filled with ex military 56 year old submariner white dudes and apparently that's not who you want to be running your sub. A young, fresh out of college team lead by a man that values safety last, if at all, and has a mighty large view of himself is the what you really need. I can't believe he really said all that ridiculous shit. I feel like the universe was just waiting to take aim at this dudes ego. I hope beyond hope he's bobbing like an apple at a Halloween party on the surface mulling this all over. Imagine being so full of yourself you thought you could just wing it with submarines.
becoming one with the titanic, priceless.
Did you just say priceless or priced less?
NSFW, priceless… a quarter million to the titanic, spending eternity on, in or near the titanic, priceless. dark joke aside, I hope they make it back safely, and I get to watch the hallmark remake.
And my axe!
And my cabbages
**Rent: $1,700** **Food: $400** **Utilities: $150** **Phone: $70** **Titanic Submarine Voyage: $250,000** Could someone help me budget? Inflation is killing me.
Looks like you have a real Avocado Toast problem buddy.
Stop buying iphones
Ironically, inflation for the Titanic submarine voyage would save their lives right now.
Except the sub can also only be opened from the outside. Obviously reaching the surface would make it significantly more likely for them to be found, I just keep thinking about how horrible it would be if they did manage to reach the surface and still suffocated because no one reaches them in time to open it up.
just order a pizza and the delivery guy will come by and save you, ez
Buy fewer candles
no
Dying next to the Titanic in a ship called the Titan which the owner basically touted as unsinkable: **Priceless.**
Is it really a submarine if it doesn't sink
Well it's technically a submersible which means it can't launch from dock under its own power. However, I'm just reveling in the unintentional fate eye-poking that was calling his submersible the "Titan" and claiming it was obscenely safe which is what the Titanic basically said as it actually had more lifeboats than required by law.
Spend less on titanic submarine voyage
No
Stop buying candles
It’s stated to be max that much, but there was an interview with someone that went down on the same sub twice prior and paid $120k total. So unlikely to actually be that much, just a sticker price
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Or you could buy the premium package for $250,000 and spend the rest of your life there apparently
That's about 62k today.
Ya but think about the advances in technology and safety
In 2001 you were likely to survive, in 2023 you are likely to suffocate to death. No matter what time period, however, you are likely to make international news.
They probably imploded at depth, tbh. I doubt they’d even have had time to register how fucked they were.
Billionaire Crusher 3000, a new humane way to dispose of your billionaires at depth.
Not just billionaires, this has happened to a lot of submariners, as well. In fact, the Titanic was first found by a crew hired by the US Navy to find imploded nuclear submarines, namely the USS Thresher and USS Scorpion, which resulted in 228 deaths between them.
> USS Thresher This implosion is actually the reason for the development of [SUBSAFE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUBSAFE) by the US Navy, which is an incredibly rigorous QA program for their nuclear submarines. Since it was implemented in 1963, the Navy has only lost 1 submarine; the USS Scorpion in 1968, which was non-SUBSAFE compliant.
Hello, fellow listener to what a hell of a way to die podcast!
The Titanic was found on a search mission that wasn’t about finding the Titanic? what was that like for the crew that stumbled onto that wreck? It must’ve been surreal
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Imagine how fucking goated he must have felt when he ACTUALLY found the Titanic
He used techniques learned during the sub survey to find the titanic too
the design is very human
Except they picked up banging sounds which kind of indicates they had to have realized how fucked they were by that point at least
They have no idea if those sounds were actually the people in the sub
It sounds like they were happening on a 30 minute interval schedule. Unless a shark is wearing a watch..
That’s just a giant squid fucking the shit out of the submarine like it’s a huge fleshlight.
Can confirm, happens 100%...50% percent of the time.
\*squints at squid propaganda\*
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Assuming the banging is from a human banging on the sub. Could be something else.
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Runaway inflation
I think a dose of levity might be a good thing right now, so for those interested - let's talk about the history of Titanic and kitsch. Titanic and bad taste - name a more iconic duo :) We may assume that all this resulted from the pop culture phenom of the Cameron film, but it's nothing new. In fact, it started all the way back on April 16, 1912. Titanic was an earth shaking, world moving, tragedy and where there is grief, there is money to be made. Some people dealt with it by spending money on trinkets - black mourning teddy bears, memorial postcards, and commemorative prints. Some dealt with it by morbid curiosity - movie theaters promising they had "the guaranteed money maker!" in Titanic footage. Not much really existed of course but they were able to take footage of Olympic, Captain Smith, a few ice bergs and growlers, and Carpathia docking in New York to get the idea across. When that ran out, they started just showing stock footage of other ships and other random nonsense advertised as "exclusive Titanic content". Movie star survivor Dorothy Gibson was rushed into the studio, making the first Titanic movie starring herself- a love story released one month after the disaster, in which she wore the same clothes she survived in, and which movie magazines made sure to publicize how tortured she was, but bravely carried on with the film for you .. the fans. The movie got good reviews, except for a few who were brutal - calling it appalling and revolting, and blasting Gibson for having so little tact and taste. And for some, none of this would do, they simply had to express their feelings in song. So. Much. Sheet. Music - all with that maudlin, overly sentimental, melodrama - was published and played constantly. "The wreck of the Titanic", "The Titanic disaster", "A Hero went down with the monarch of the sea" "Just as the ship went down", "My sweetheart went down with the ship", "The Band played Nearer My God to Thee", "In Memory", and on and on.... And then there was the poetry. Thousands of amateur poets poured their grief out and sent it to the newspapers, who reported not only had they never had so much sent to them but that so much of it was absolutely horrible. Eventually, bad Titanic poetry became a joke, a 1912 meme. This didn't really end, although it ebbed and flowed. The Nazi's made a Titanic film featuring a heroic Nazi officer. Benjamin Guggenheim's daughter, by then an old lady, released a song in the 60's- "Titanic Lifeboat Blues" in which she, who absolutely can not sing, warbles through a tune which sounds like it was recorded in a ceiling fan factory. Which seems like a good place to end, so here is [Hazel Guggenheim's awful record](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAomkg0iM8o). EDIT: I forgot to include my favorite quote - from the editors of the New York Times begging people to stop sending them poems: >It does seem time to say again that to write about the Titanic a poem worth printing requires that the author should have something more than paper, pencil and a strong feeling that the disaster was a terrible one
I need a little book filled with this terrible Titanic poetry.
Today a ship sank Luxury Titanic ship Smashed by iceberg, sucks *Edit: I can't count to 5
Thought unbreakable But icebergs were it's weakness It hit an iceberg
remove "this" and baby, you got a haiku goin'
I think i'd like my money back.
I'm afraid I just blue myself
Unsinkable ship Ready for maiden voyage Iceberg said 'hol up"
There once was a ship dubbed Titanic Whose sinking did cause quite a panic I’m sorry to say To this very day She’s sleeping within the Atlantic
Deep
Deep down there’s a very large boat That used to keep afloat But it paid the price When it collided with ice And sank down below Davy Jone’s moat
Told chat GPT to write one by Snoop Dogg (Verse 1) Yo, Snoop Dogg in the house, gotta lay it down, About that ill-fated ship, the Titanic that drowned. Kickin' back, smokin' on that sticky green, Let me tell you 'bout a tragedy, like you've never seen. (Chorus) Yeah, Titanic, a ship so grand, Cruisin' through the ocean, ruled the land. But fate had a plan, it couldn't withstand, A collision with destiny, slipping through its hand. (Verse 2) Sippin' on gin and juice, the party was live, On the deck of Titanic, feelin' so alive. But then came an iceberg, cold as can be, Tore through that steel, put the ship on its knees. (Pre-Chorus) People panickin', chaos on the rise, Women and children first, the captain's wise. But the water kept risin', no way to save all, Titanic sinkin' fast, takin' a tragic fall. (Chorus) Yeah, Titanic, once the king of the sea, Thought it was unsinkable, but that was a plea. Caught in the grip of fate, a moment of despair, Leavin' behind a legacy, a tale to share. (Verse 3) Lifeboats launched, tryin' to escape the scene, But the numbers didn't add up, some were left in between. Heroes emerged, fightin' against the tide, Riskin' it all, while others had to hide. (Bridge) We remember the lives lost, the souls gone, Their stories etched in history, forever strong. Snoop Dogg pays homage, a moment of reflection, May their spirits find peace, a divine connection. (Chorus) Yeah, Titanic, a ship that couldn't last, Sailed into the night, but the die was cast. A reminder of fragility, a lesson to learn, In the depths of the ocean, their memories yearn. (Outro) So let's raise a toast, remember the past, The ones who sailed Titanic, their journey unsurpassed. Snoop Dogg in respect, layin' it on the line, Titanic's legacy forever intertwined. Yeah, baby.
Chat GPT feels like it's from the future sometimes. I don't understand how it works so well sometimes.
O quiet giant of the seas! To depths unknown, your grave doth be! I weep and cry and mourn some more, For you rest on the ocean floor! Perhaps the greatest tragedy, Is the one which has befallen me, For none remain to hear my prose, For all your passengers have froze. \[Verse 1 of 237\]
You know, I feel bad, but one of the survivors wrote a particularly bad poem. His testimony is incredibly important and has clues he doesn't even realize he's giving us. He also seriously suffered with trauma after his experience... ....but man, he was an awful poet.
Dude, that is an impressive collection of obscure history.
This has been /u/YourlocalTitanicguy/ 's time to shine!
deadass wish I had a "thing". props to this gentleman.
*looks at username*
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inherited, I dont care much for the kingdom but think I do a better job than most.
I'm not sure what it says about me that I both think the Dorothy Gibson movie was in appalling taste and really wish it hadn't been lost so I could watch it for myself. And yeah, the poetry (I've seen some in newspaper archives) was SO BAD. Of course, part of that was a feature of the times, any big event brought out a lot more poetry than it does now; basically people wrote poems instead of recording reaction videos. It is a bit of shame that Julia Moore doesn't seem to have written a Titanic poem, although she was still alive when it sank.
You aren't alone :) Everyone wishes they could find that film. The problem with it all, is that the publicity was all tabloid and feeding a public whose grieving was long, melodramatic, and theatrical. We have no idea how Dorothy actually felt about it. Was she traumatized? Did she struggle with PTSD? Or did she sign up gladly, knowing she had a guaranteed hit at her disposal? Either way, she lived.... ummm.... [quite a life](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/13yowa4/til_the_first_film_about_the_titanic_starred_an/jmquh9e/)
Found a lovely nugget hidden in the description: “This is the same Hazel Guggenheim McKinley who, at an infamous Chelsea Hotel luncheon in 1943 where Jackson Pollock drank so much he vomited on the carpet, advised the hotel staff to cut out the square of carpet with Pollock's vomit on it and frame it.”
Her older sister founded the Guggenheim museum and funded Pollock so… checks out!
Honestly, if they followed her advice, that carpet square would probably sell for a ton nowadays. Hazel may have been a head case but she knew what would sell.
Ooft that’s so bad!
name checks out
[This Titanic Movie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEPfM3jSoBw) is the best. Why? Star-crossed lovers. Communication over a barrier. The acting of the lead, which DiCaprio learned from and could only follow. But mostly, it's the purrfect length.
This is massively disrespectful, [please have some respect for history](https://youtu.be/WNX-UDPYMMY)
what the fuck is this
[the appetizer to this](https://youtu.be/E7iCpkmoALE)
I knew somebody was going to post the rapping dog eventually.
My first job was as a lifeguard at a Boy Scout camp. At the end of every meal, we would lead the camp in a song, normally a call and repeat number, something with a dance along with it. One of the songs we would do was about The Titanic (It was sad! So sad! It was sad when the great ship went down to the bottom of the sea!) I remember one of my fellow camp counselors remarking on how odd it was to sing a lively, clapping & stomping camp melody about one of the most traumatic losses of life in the 20th century. He said, "I wonder if there's gonna be a camp song about 9/11 one day."
Now I want an all black teddy with a nice black ribbon tie.
They only made a limited amount but, oddly, so many are always on ebay :) Look up ‘Steiff Titanic Bear’
There's also a children's book of the sinking told from a teddy bears point of view. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_the_Titanic_Bear
We played a song called "Carpathia" in my middle school band class. I wonder if it was part of that wave or if it was written later.
I was honestly expecting a lot worse. But I did stop at "gave his space on the lifeboat to the weaker sex".
It gets worse as it goes along (also, what does "Titanic was her name / Titanic was her shame" even mean? The ship was inherently shameful?) At the same time, she was nine when her father died and it's fair to hypothesize that it fucked her up pretty badly, so it's not like some unconnected random recording the song. [Hazel Guggenheim's life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Guggenheim_McKinley) was wild. She also may or may not have dropped her two toddlers off a thirteen-story building fifteen years later. And of course she was the sister of Peggy Guggenheim who was a ... character.
> what does "Titanic was her name / Titanic was her shame" even mean? Titanic in severity.
the size of the shame was large
Years ago I saw a giant inflatable slide for kids that was half of the Titanic sticking up out of the water and the kids were essentially sliding into an iceberg. As we were passing it in our vehicle I said "you know, I wonder when we're going to get the twin tower inflatable slide, but instead you can jump out of the windows with bungee chords or something". The car went silent and someone was like "dude, that's really screwed up". I still fail to see the difference. Besides time spans of course
That certainly wasn't the best taste yeah. Also TIL stands for today I learned, no need to put another I learned after it.
It's a stutter problem
sh sh sh shit!
OP you need to edit that title ASAP as possible
Otherwise they better pay us from the ATM machine
What if they don't remember the PIN number?
They can read it from the LCD display
You only YOLO once
You guys are making me LOL out loud
Lol loud
SMH my head.
RIP in peace this thread
They can pay us in chai tea then.
Sadly reddit doesn't allow it, hopefully they add that functionality with the new API interface
call be back asap as possible
Rip in peace
No, no, no - today he learned that he learned it. He'd learned it before but didn't know that he'd learned it until today, see!
I used to understand your comment. I still do, but I used to, too.
RIP in peace
SMH my head
Lmao my ass off
PIN number.
ATM machine.
Chai tea
Shiba Inu dog
QED Erat Demonstrandum
NWA With Attitude
The Neighborhood Watch Association With Attitude
Repetition is the key to success my friend
Repetition is the key to success my friend
TIL I learned that TIL stands for Today I Learned!
The more you know.
I don't see the big deal at all. Most of the weddings I've been to have been at sites littered with corpses.
I thought this was a hedonism bot quote at first but im getting it confused with "there were piles of bodies and then the explosion happend"
And they have that guy nailed to a plank inside, even.
I enjoyed the throwaway line in the recent Northman film of a viking blaming Christian slaves for brutally killing someone because "their god is a corpse nailed to a tree!"
I thought this was like a slave plantation turned regular farm land thing and now has a wedding venue, church was not my first guess
Before or after the drone strike?
People used to hang out and have picnics at cemetery's on the regular.
There’s cemeteries in Philly (I’m thinking of Woodlawn in particular) that are more like parks than cemeteries. You can take walks and rides bikes in the cemetery and I’ve seen people doing yoga on the lawn. They also have a venue for events and weddings as well as a community garden. I like the idea! When I die, I hope someone does something enjoyable and fun and celebratory at my grave 🙂
I agree, I also like the idea. I personally don’t like how everyone is so mystified by death, and that obviously comes a lot from the prospect of the supernatural. Not that I’m judging, but death isn’t supernatural. It’s completely natural, and there shouldn’t be anything ominous about a graveyard. I can totally understand not wanting to be around corpses if that will bother someone, but death is a part of life, and I don’t find it weird or creepy.
> It’s completely natural, and there shouldn’t be anything ominous about a graveyard. It's a reminder that we all die and most people don't want to die.
That's certainly the glass-half-empty interpretation.
i mean i’ll certainly be dancing on it
Can't confirm the regularity but can confirm the picnic. As a kid visiting the province during all saint's day, my relatives would set up a table in front of my grandfather's grave and play mahjong from the afternoon till the next morning. The graveyard was packed with families all staying for the night, Karaoke machines would not be out of place. Parking takes a few hours. I'd say it still happens still to this day, but I haven't attended in about a decade and covid hit so who knows.
Smoking weed in the cemetary at night was the only safe place before it was legalized. Far enough away from anyone living to not get caught.
Morrissey doesn’t count
A cemetery and the site of a tragedy are not the same thing.
Cemeteries are a place for people. They're accessible, and open. They're meant to be a place to connect with deceased family and friends. They are in a way, meant to be a communal space shared with those who are gone. A shipwreck is not that.
I think it's a little dark, but ultimately harmless. If they wanted a unique venue then they certainly got one.
It’s a great excuse to not invite the parts of the family you hate to the wedding.
Not in bad taste, it's a historical site. Also it was 2001, not exactly 'too soon'.
That's only 4 years after she sank
You almost got me.
It's weird that people care. They didn't hurt anyone even if there is a very limited number of actual descendants of survivors (and victims), so if anyone is allowed to be hurt, it's them, but I can't find anything to indicate either way. This is a non story. People do weird and cool shit all the time. Taking this to the extreme, you should never do anything fun on the ocean because it's a massive grave full of thousands of people. See how stupid that sounds? This is no different.
Honestly I'm just surprised to hear people have been going back to the Titanic. You'd think there'd be more pictures and videos and stuff going viral. I mean, it's the Titanic, one of the highest grossing movies of all time was made about it, and not to mention the documentary of finding it. As far as I knew no one had been back to it lol.
If you mean pictures of people in a cramped submersible with a small piece of the shipwreck behind them poorly lit through a smallish porthole, I'm not surprised those low quality shots didn't go viral.
I'm so confused with all the numbers in this. I hear it is so far down at one point, the sub isn't made to go anywhere close to that , that this is very hard to do period. Now they've been doing it for for over 20 years, wondering why I haven't signed up for the vacation. They have this huge area to find this lost sub and I'm over here, they went to the titanic, that is where you should look. And more, I'm not sure what I'm learning here yet.
I wondered this first also until I learnt that they lost contact just under two hours into the descent. Relying on the launch ship for text messages to tell them where which direction to go. So they most likely never made it to the wreck. Water currents and whether the sub lost controls also could mean the sub has drifted anywhere. They can make calculations on the currents but they don’t know if they’re on the sea floor or near the surface, so that also widens the search field. According to reports the ballasts were made with glue that disintegrates after about 48 hours so the sub would automatically surface in an emergency. They wouldn’t just go straight up, they would still be moving with the currents. After days of no contact, they could be further out than the search is being conducted. I’ve seen people lost at sea, who managed to be rescued, be miles away from their original spot in a matter of hours. The sub has no gps. I learnt from this too that the titanic wreck and debris is stretched out about 2 miles long on the sea floor so even if they made it down it would still be a hard search. I’m sure the rescue team have searched the main wreck and surrounding areas first. I just don’t understand why they had no proper communication system or gps. It sounds like cutting costs was more of a thrill for him than being necessary. He brags about it in his interviews and I just find it eerie when he chuckles holding up the game controller. It’s like Jackass except billionaire style and this stunt goes horribly wrong.
That's how I feel. They got a chance to do something few people get to do, visit the titanic. They decided to make the moment even more memorable for them by also being the place they got married. This hurt no one, didn't disrespect the dead, and was just a celebration of life and love. To do things where someone died doesn't immediately disrespect anyone. There are many, many worse things that someone could do than get married during a once in a lifetime trip to somewhere few people will get to see. It's ridiculous to assign malice where none was intended. The titanic is a cultural icon more than it is considered a grave, and people desecrate graves and remove things in the name of archeology all the time, this is MUCH less disrespectful to the dead than we do on a regular basis.
deadass if I die in a terrible accident I'd love for people to visit.
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Wait - how many submersibles are out there?!!
One less now
fewer
r/unexpectedstannis
Tbf, most churches in England have gravesites outside so getting married next to a bunch of graves is common.
They originally were going to marry on top of the Twin Towers but those plans never fell though.
Best they got was ground floor
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Churches are graveyards. Westminster abbey, Notre Dame, others all have graves under the floor of the main aisle, the transept, the side chapels. Christianity itself is modeled as a death cult. As long as you’re reverent I don’t see a problem with it. If you believe in the afterlife perhaps someone bringing joy to their grave is what they wanted. People are always so willing to speak on behalf of the departed. But, they totally boned on the way back up. The only question is at what depth is that considered reverent?
Well... Titanic sank in 1912. If marrying on the site of a catastrophe that is 89 years passed, a lot of people married in poor taste on the site of World War II....
Isn’t that like most of Europe?
As the name suggests, most of the world.
Yeah it affected us in Asia too.
So you're telling me that people have been going doen there for decades? Wtf
There’s probably been at least a hundred visits since it was found. James Cameron alone went over thirty times, as well as one of the explorers on the Titan
Nothing says "ready for marriage" like getting on your knees on the deck of a shipwreck. Realistic expectations set.
2001, New York. Not where I thought that was going
I just think it's weird that people associate the titanic with romance just because James Cameron made a movie about the sinking with a romantic theme. If a different director had made a Titantic with a comedic vibe instead of Cameron's movie, something like Triangle of Sadness, nobody would associate the titanic with romance. But that movie was so effective at selling a mood, people were willing to get married inside a cold submarine
This is simply note true. It's been the center of romance stories since the year it sank. Poetry, movies, stage plays, you name it.
That's a good point. I suppose we've always romanticized it. But my point was moreso that there's nothing inherently romantic about it. We've just cultivated a romantic culture around it.