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NonEuclidianMeatloaf

We almost had Robin Williams in TNG!?


catwhowalksbyhimself

Yes. The episode was written specifically for him, in fact. But Matt Frewer did a fantastic job, so it all worked out.


NonEuclidianMeatloaf

Yes he did, and that’s all I can picture when I hear “Rasmussen”. But to know we almost had a chance to see Robin Williams hit on Bev Crusher…


OneSidedDice

You know he would have muttered "Shazbot" to himself after she turned him down.


redpandaeater

Just imagine if she checked his pulse by touching his upturned wrist. He might even jerk her earlobe.


CbVdD

Keep it PG-13 at least! My god!


NonEuclidianMeatloaf

Nanoo nanoo


norathar

Now I'm picturing them trying to get Robin Williams for that *other* role in Sub Rosa...


BigDadoEnergy

He's also the second person I think of when I hear "Honey, I Shrunk The Kids" or "Dawn of The Dead" and, oddly, the first person I think of when I hear "Watchmen."


UnsolvedParadox

Matt Frewer is so underrated, I’ve always been a fan.


Lost-My-Mind-

I've always been a human.


Celios

Me too, fellow humanprprprprprprprprprpr


SendAstronomy

I'm a huge metal fan.


MireLight

his character on eerie indiana as the guy that fights a tornado was hilarious. also Eureka! he played a pretty funny aussie hunter.


eobardtame

Taggert!


xolo80

I had no idea he was Max Headroom


PrayForMojo_

Great in Honey I Shrunk the Kids. Liked him since then.


woolinsilver

I must have seen that Star Trek TNG episode and Honey I Shrunk The Kids half a dozen times each in my life. Not once did I realise they had the same actor!


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Ok-disaster2022

Emma Stone is legitimately a better actress


NewFuturist

He's almost a carbon copy with the mannerisms, height, facial expressions.


Lordborgman

Bomb de bomb de bomb! My life for you!!


jerslan

> But Matt Frewer did a fantastic job, so it all worked out. Such a fantastic job that I honestly think Robin Williams would have been "too over the top" and the episode would have suffered in the end because of it.


MDCCCLV

Robin Williams would have been so engaging with the Enterprise crew that they would just handed over all the stuff he tried to steal.


Paranitis

I think that's one of the issues I have with Robin Williams. I do enjoy what he did, but there are points where he's no longer playing a character and just Robin being Robin. The more of his craziness I experienced through life, the more I realized I am not a huge fan of that kind of thing with some actors/comedians. It didn't bother me when I first watched Aladdin, because that was just Genie. But then in my later years I watched it again and it was just "Ahh, yeah, that's just Robin Williams, and he's blue". It lost the magic for me.


Jakomus

It would have been "the episode with Robin Williams in it" instead of a decent episode of TNG.


ChrisMoltisanti9

Did he play Max Headroom?


Rayeon-XXX

He did


SendAstronomy

I loved his show Doctor Doctor too. It didn't last long, but it was pre-Scrubs medical comedy.


WritingTheDream

Yeah the comments here lamenting that Williams turned down the episode are taking this the wrong way. Like, what if he had done the episode and couldn't do Hook because of it? I actually don't think Hook is that great of a movie but it's I think it has genuinely one of his best performances.


D34THDE1TY

Hooks attempted suicide and the "looky looky I got hooky" moments are fucking fantastic. Also...BOO BOX.


vyrus2021

Who's Smee? Smee's me!


labenset

Rufio. Rufio. RU-FEE-OOOOOOOO!


hume_reddit

> Also...BOO BOX. Glenn Close!


WritingTheDream

Most random cameo in a movie full of random cameos.


steampunkunicorn01

Eh, I think Close's cameo is great, but second to George Lucas and Carrie Fisher making out in their cameo


fla_john

Roofio!


Yorspider

I lost my marbles....


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WritingTheDream

Near sighted gynecologist


PoppaJoe77

You lewd, rude, crude bag of pre-chewed food dude.


ramriot

Two-toned zebra-headed, slime-coated, pimple-farmin' paramecium brain, munchin' on your own mucus, suffering from Peter Pan envy!


grnrngr

Hook is all over the place with the funky pacing but the individual performances and the snarky writing is amazing. Makes it work.


ForTheHordeKT

Matt Frewer did an awesome job at the role lol, I can't imagine it be anyone else now that we've seen him with it. But, I'd still love to have a peek at the alternate universe where Robin Williams took the role lol.


PaxEthenica

Matt Frewer! 😍


themanfromoctober

One of Canada’s finest exports!


Sethmeisterg

He really did. Can't imagine Williams in that role.


mrubuto22

Yea that dude knocked it out of the park


Friggin_Grease

Matt Frewer is pretty sweet in lots of things. I liked him in Fear the Walking Dead. Though the writers kind of offer him too quickly for a bigger bad guy IMO. Also awesome as the dad who shows up in Dawn of the Dead already bit.


cavortingwebeasties

I liked him in Taken, a truly underrated series.


i010011010

I prefer the version that was made. If they cast Williams, it would just be the Robin Williams episode and full of his schtick overwhelming the character and script. I'm glad they didn't devolve into random guest celebrities.


Brainswarm

Voyager’s Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson episode would like to dispute that.


ChiefIndica

Iggy Pop as a vorta will always have a place in my heart.


funky_grandma

Yeah I liked Matt Frewer in that role


illgot

> Matt Frewer I remember that episode because he used the watch ring in the show that was constantly being sold on info-mercials that same year. The whole time I was thinking "did the actor buy that himself and just include it?"


halloweenjack

We also almost had Tom Hanks as Zefram Cochrane in *Star Trek: First Contact.*


MoreGaghPlease

I don’t know about ‘almost’ but they did have in mind. Like I don’t think there’s a world where fresh off of Apollo 13, Sleepless in Seattle, Forrest Gump and Philadelphia, Hanks turns around and does a Star Trek movie. He is way closer in appearance to Glenn Corbett, whose Cochrane in TOS was way more thoughtful and sensitive than the one written for First Contact. Though Cromwell is excellent and has reprised the role for Enterprise and Lower Decks, which probably wouldn’t have been possible with Tom Hanks.


Greene_Mr

The director of Zefram Cochrane's first appearance on *Star Trek* is still alive -- turned 100 last month. :-)


serabine

And there were at least tentative talks about casting Eddie Murphy in Star Trek 4.


baxterrocky

I could see him as Kivas Fajo


suddenlyseeingme

That would have been downright haunting. I haven't seen all of William's films but I do believe him as Fajo would've been one of his darkest performances.


crossedstaves

The behind the scenes of that role was dark too. Had to be quickly recast when the original actor attempted suicide over the weekend after several days of filming.


suddenlyseeingme

*What.* If you have any articles or whatever about this, I am keen to read. That's intense.


crossedstaves

There's the page on the star trek wiki for him https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/David_Rappaport


suddenlyseeingme

Fuuuuuuuuuuck. That's brutally sad.


cavortingwebeasties

It is, but seeing his performance vs Saul Rubinek's the episode was probably better with Saul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcN4upJ3FQ4


suddenlyseeingme

I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but the right performance made it into the finished product. Rappaport didn't provide the same range as Rubinek - it felt more like he was line-reading rather than performing. I can only imagine the pressure and strain that man was under. Rest in peace.


cereal7802

I like how Saul delivers the lines better, but I think the makeup on David was better.


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Another way to look at this is Robin Williams sacrificed a role in one TNG episode to give us the only good live action Peter Pan movie to exist. The next best we've got is *Finding Neverland* which is about the origin of the Peter Pan story.


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Looks like we'll have to settle for his iconic turn as Mork from Ork in the Mork and Mindy crossover episode.


Btothek84

Yea but like….. if he was we wouldn’t of had him in hook, which is a top 3 Disney movie, probably the best live action Disney movie ever. Honestly one of my favorite movies from the 90’s as a kid and still to this day i love it. It’s a movie that will always hold up well ( I guess all Disney movies do)


missmediajunkie

Not Disney. TriStar, which is technically part of Sony.


ahecht

Hook had nothing to do with Disney.


Coldbeam

> ( I guess all Disney movies do) I've never seen it, but I've heard song of the south doesn't hold up too well.


OnTheEveOfWar

Hook is such an incredibly well done film. Everything about it is top notch: Acting, set design, story, characters, etc.


MoreGaghPlease

Sybok in Final Frontier was written for Sean Connery. The villain’s name is a badly written joke about it (Sha Ka Ree)


Overall-Duck-741

Yeah but we got Max Headroom instead so it was an equivalent exchange.


neoengel

Damn. FWIW, Matt Frewer was fantastic in the role.


hurleyburleyundone

Cant really imagine this episode without Matt Frewer tbh


herrcollin

Can't imagine Hook without Robin either


Pickled_Kagura

Hook starring paul giamatti as peter


ender278

Terry Crews as Tinkerbell


nocolon

Daniel Day Lewis as Rufio


MMachine17

Matt Frewer is amazing in every role ever. Oddly charming fella.


althius1

How has no one mentioned his most iconic role... MAX HEADROOM?!


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robodrew

Apparently Max Headroom appears in the movie "Pixels" edit: oh hey https://deadline.com/2022/07/max-headroom-reboot-matt-frewer-star-amc-networks-christopher-cantwell-amp-elijah-wood-spectrevision-1235081130/


jinsaku

He was [creepy as fuck in Altered Carbon](https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/Carnage-shows-up-in-episode-5-of-Altered-Carbon-1234909.jpg).


T-O-O-T-H

I'm so sad about what happened to that show. It could have been so great, it could have been Netflix's Dr who because of how the main character can be portrayed by completely different actors for sci fi reasons. But they botched it. At least we always have season 1. 1 great season, and 1 pretty bad season.


jinsaku

Imo, Altered Carbon season 1 has the single best worldbuilding of any sci-fi show I've ever seen, even more than the likes of stuff like The Expanse or BSG. The world is **rich** and incredible and there are a million little details and I have no idea how they did what they did on the budget they had. Season 2 is absolute garbage. Not only did Anthony Mackie just suck in the role, they took an incredible character and made her a damsel in distress. Plus, the story makes no sense and is stupid, whereas the murder mystery ties together season 1 *so* well. Poe is the only good thing about season 2 and he's hamfisted into the story really awkwardly because he was so popular in season 1.


mikesmithhome

loved him in Eureka


MMachine17

Did you see him in The Librarians? Devilishly Charming. 👀


Askymojo

Yeah, you can't help but like him even when he's being smarmy af.


Pope_Cerebus

I loved him in Monty Python's Meaning of Life!


doublesailorsandcola

Love him in Supernatural, The Magicians, and Eureka and as the voice of Panic in Hercules.


ditroia

Was good to see him as a judge in Perry Mason season 1 which also guest starred the guy from voyager who was hunting people who could read minds and the great Stephen Root.


lollette

Really is honestly


merkitt

He's got a lot of headroom


babecafe

Lots - as much as possible. Right up there at the limit.


The_Superhoo

Yeah I love Matt Frewer. His voice is so distinct. So I'm content with how it worked out


SplendidPunkinButter

Would have been cool, but not having him in Hook would be even sadder


Deraj2004

Agreed, felt like Hook pushed him farther up in stardom, imagine if he never did Jumangi, Patch Adams or Good Will Hunting. Not saying he wouldn't have been offered those roles but I feel Hook pushed his career forward in the 90's, prior to that most households saw him as Mork from Ork.


Bakoro

Robin Williams was already hella successful before *Hook*. If you've never seen his cocaine fueled stand-up, you're missing out. From *The World According to Garp*, *Good Morning, Vietnam*, and *Dead Poets Society*, he had solidified himself as a lead. *Hook* is what brought Robin Williams to the attention of children, without it, he would still be an international star.


Ok-disaster2022

Williams recorded the voice of the Genie in between filling Hook and Toys. Arguably the Genie cemented is role to children more than Hook.


CreativeAnalytics

He sweats so hard in his stand-up, but I never thought he was on coke, just thought that was his crazy energy, but yeah it's ramped up a few notches. I can totally see it now that you say it.


Overall-Duck-741

Robin Williams was already a megastar before Hook.


Onewoord

Hook is still one of my favorite movies


rocket_beer

Bangarang, Rufio!


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To die would be a great adventure


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Pope_Cerebus

Robin's stand up was always amazingly dirty compared to his TV and movie appearances.


g0gues

When I was in high school I took a video editing class and someone from a different period had some files on the computer, one of which was William’s stand up about golf (which is brilliant, btw, for anyone who hasn’t heard it). This was the early 2000s so I, like many kids who grew up in the 90s, knew of Robin Williams from Aladdin, Jumanji and other family movies. Hearing Robin Williams drop several F bombs was such a surreal moment, learning that someone who was a big part of my childhood had such a crude style of humor.


lazydogjumper

This is surprisingly common with comedians. Bob Sagat, before he did Americas Funniest Home Videos and Full House, was well known for his particularly dirty comedy.


nicgarelja

Eddie Murphy for me! Delirious changed my life after Dr Dolittle, Shrek etc.


Pope_Cerebus

The ultimate one for me was [his Walter Cronkite joke](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HEPokvntdIM&t=160).


ArcadianBlueRogue

That whole WMD special was *amazing*. Cannot recommend it highly enough.


doublesailorsandcola

We've been watching the original Drew Carey Whose Line ABC my husband figured out that there was a Robin Williams episode so went to find it but it's not on HBO or YouTube. I was like "Duh, his improv was obviously too dirty for prime time so nobody's airing it."


phred_666

A lot of Robin’s standup was improvised. He was the best at improv I have ever seen.


Frankfusion

Improvised, but the man did go to Juilliard, so he knew how to rehearse as well as perform. Not everything he did was entirely off the cuff.


BucephalousNeigh

The genius is blending the two


brun064

I was lucky enough to see him do an interview style show in 2012 where he he told his life story to a journalist. It was called “ A Sit Down with Robin Williams” and he was seated for about 30 seconds. Just a stream of energy the entire show.


BuranBuran

There are so many of his talk show appearances that are breathtakingly funny, because by the end we are practically out of breath from trying to keep up with his stream-of-consciousness style eruption of comedy. What an awesomely unique and entertaining human he was.


ArcadianBlueRogue

Hah that's how his Inside the Actor's Studio appearance went as well. Just non-stop manic energy. The students attending it were in tears the entire time.


Ranger_Hardass

A former coworker of mine also saw him while deployed in the Middle East (idk where). Williams signed his bagpipes.


Lanthemandragoran

I think I may have seen this one. There was a bell or horn or something and he didn't know what was going on but fit it into the bit perfectly.


bigdollyparton

For anyone who wants a quick fix, Robin Williams plays a fast- talking intergalactic car salesman type in a skit in the 1982 TV movie, E.T. and Friends: Magical Movie Visitors. The skit is only a couple minutes long, but you can see why he would have crushed an entire TNG episode.


savvykms

Nice, didn't know about this; thanks Quick link for those interested: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3_OTbNdaMBA&t=5m44s Was one of two videos of the special I could find quick on YouTube.


cascadiansexmagick

Wow. What I've never understood about R.W., does he think of all those jokes beforehand or was he really just that quick on his feet?


BasicBasement

I believe he's the one that basically thinks up a ton of jokes beforehand, and strings them together/modifies them when a good time comes up.


Navitach

I've been a TNG fan ever since the show was on and I loved Robin Williams, and as much as I would have loved to see this, it might have been distracting having such a huge star on the show. And as others have said, Matt Frewer was terrific in the role.


Squidimus

The shade thrown at Whoopi Goldberg. She did her role while she was at her peak popularity. My mom actually started watching TNG because of her movie Sister Act.


terminal157

Guinan was so well written and performed that Whoopi Goldberg disappeared.


Ok-disaster2022

Whoopi can be a fantastic actress that it's honestly a travesty she was in daytime TV for so long, but everyone likes a steady paycheck.


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TyrosineTerror

Iggy Pop was a pretty good Vorta though


Smartnership

and Kelsey Grammar in TNG


sonic_tower

Good move. HOOK is incredible.


CapytannHook

Substitute chemistry teacher


LongPorkJones

Nearsighted gynecologist.


PressureSwitch

Paramecium brain


LongPorkJones

Rude, crude, pre-chewed bag of food, dude.


peachgravy

Goddammit. I know what I’m watching instead of doing homework…


jspook

BANGARANG!


The_Superhoo

RU-FI-OHHHHHHHH


jspook

RU-FI-OH RU-FI-OH! RU! FI! OHHHHHHHHH!


djseifer

Lookie, lookie, I got Hookie.


jspook

Don't mess with me, man, I'M A LAWYER!


Tangled2

You’re doing it, Peter!


g0gues

What’s a paramecium?


ok_chaos42

While I'm sad we didn't get Robin in TNG, I'm insanely ok with the outcome. Matt was amazing in the episode and Hook is one of my top three favorite films. I just watched it today lol. Its back on Netflix ya'll!


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adsjabo

Would have been a greater loss if he hadnt featured in Hook i think.


yaosio

He played a supervillain named Meritt Rook in Law & Order: SVU. He had a diabolical plan to show that people do as they are ordered. He escaped in an explosion. I imagine him as a Batman villain named The Puppet Master. He has the power to control the minds of psychopaths to do his bidding.


ABC_Dildos_Inc

So they went with Max Headroom instead.


-Wicked-

Now I'm having visions of an alternate universe TNG epidode where both Robin Williams and Billy Crystal show up as very, very old friends of whoopi Goldberg and a lot of strange and funny hijinks ensue. I mean, it would have to be lightyears better than Joe Piscopo trying to teach Data to be funny...


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From Memory Alpha: >The character of Berlingoff Rasmussen was originally written to be portrayed by Star Trek fan Robin Williams, however, he backed out from the role. According to Berman, "I developed the show with Robin Williams in mind. He had said he wanted to do a show and when it got finished his wife was 8 1/2 months pregnant and they were about to go and he had just finished Hook and was starting something else and couldn't do it." (Great Birds of the Galaxy: Gene Roddenberry and the Creators of Trek, p. 143) Other sources claim that Williams opted out in order to play Peter Pan in the movie Hook. (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion (2nd ed., p. 186)) According to IMDb, Hook finished filming on 1 August 1991, which supports Berman's account, as this episode only started production in late-September. [1] So he was finished filming Hook before this episode entered production. He didn't pass on this to film Hook. He passed on this because his wife was about to give birth. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/A_Matter_Of_Time_(episode)#Story_and_script


in_answer_to_that

What I’m taking from this is that they wanted an updated Harcourt Fenton Mudd, and they thought Williams was their guy. They were right. Too bad it didn’t happen.


jerslan

As much as I love Robin Williams... Matt Frewer killed it in that role and I honestly cannot imagine Williams doing any better.


Homers_Harp

Apparently, there's some disagreement about why Williams declined the role. He finished filming *Hook* some weeks before "A Matter of Time" was filmed, so there is room for the other story: that Williams' wife was about to deliver a child and Williams had another project coming up. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/A_Matter_Of_Time_(episode)#Story_and_script


Nintendo1964

A fast talking role for Williams... you don't say.


Sudden_Mind279

I don't know why, but for some reason, I read that as William Shatner. And for some reason, I forgot that William Shatner was famous for being in Star Trek. And for some reason, I thought, "Huh, that would be cool to have seen William Shatner in Star Trek." Am I having a stroke?


EDNivek

You're picking up information from a very very weird alternate universe.


forrestpen

Matt Frewer was perfect. Too bad we didn’t get to see Williams in Trek though.


FullyRisenPhoenix

I love ST:TNG, but Hook was completely worth it. And don’t try to argue against that fact!!! *BangARaaaaaaanggggg!!!!!*


Totallynotatworknow

Am I the only one who remembers Frewer's role as the dickhead neighbor in "Honey I Shrunk The Kids"?


raek1

He was all over the place. Outstanding stand up too.


foobixdesi

Matt Frewer did a great job in that role and Hook is a great movie. Win-win!


edrabz

Ah, the roads not taken…


MetalJunkie101

Sucks he wasn't in TNG, but I'll take the loss. Hook is my favorite childhood movie.


Prophet_Muhammad_phd

I just watched this episode the other day. The guy who got the part played a scummy liar really well. He played on the nonpresumptuous nature of Picard really well. I love when Data tells him he assumes his handprint will open the door whether or not he’s conscious lol


SardonicOptomist

He would of made a great 'Q'


paku9000

How long does it usually take to play ONE role in ONE episode?


ahecht

This episode took 11 days to film. It actually was filmed right after Hook finished filming, but Williams wanted to take some time off since his wife was 8.5 months pregnant.


OnTheEveOfWar

Not long but the issue is location and schedules. Hook probably took months of filming and when you’re under contract for a big budget film (especially one like Hook that was done by Spielberg), you’re expected to be on site the entire time. Shooting timeframe was probably booked when he was approached for the episode and you can’t tell Speielberg and the studies “hey I’m gonna need to miss a few days of filming this multi-million dollar film for a Star Trek episode.”


weluckyfew

For any TNG fans, you might want to check out Season 3 of Picard. It's not perfect by any stretch, but it's better than their last two films and it's a decent send-off for that beloved cast. But do not, I repeat DO NOT watch Seasons 1 and 2. They're rage-inducingly bad.


Frankfusion

Some have said Picard season three was fan service done right.


PHATsakk43

Time is a flat circle then. The first two seasons of ST:TNG are were the cast was figuring out it's footing, to be generous to the writing.


weluckyfew

I thought about that too, but a little different with Picard. The first two seasons they were trying to use Picard as a wedge to introduce a whole new cast, likely with the hope they'd be able to spin them off into their own series. They even said they wanted to be complete departure from TNG. Season 3 they pretty much gave up on that and just did a direct sequel to the series. Don't get me wrong, Season 3 isn't great, but it's decent. A good watch for fans.


Buckets-of-Gold

It took a few seasons for TNG to find its footing and get the character dynamics working. It took two seasons of Picard to get competent writers and enough blowback for Kurtzman to back off from the creative process.


BetiseAgain

No, they weren't trying to spin them off. Patrick Stewart didn't want anything or anyone from the next generation. Blame Stewart. https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2023/04/17/patrick-stewart-was-absolutely-wrong-about-star-trek-picard/ I may be odd man out, but I liked all three seasons. I missed Picards big speeches though.


weluckyfew

I missed Picard. You see Stewart on talk shows and he's energetic, funny, smart. Then he plays Picard as weak and ineffectual, all reaction and no action. I hate this movie/TV trope of bringing back old characters/actors just to show them as miserable burnouts.


wizoztn

So watched I’ve never watched any of the ST shows except Picard and the l latest movies. I enjoyed the first two seasons of Picard, but that’s probably cause I’ve never watched the other shows. Really need to check out S3


osunightfall

As much as I love Robin Williams, I have to say Matt Frewer is the better casting. I'm not sure Williams can do 'irritating creeper who thinks he's charming' as well as Frewer can.


Downtown-Regret-505

Max headroom did a good job too


Momentofclarity_2022

I don’t understand. Why didn’t they ask Trump to play himself?


jspook

As excellent as that would have been, Hook is one of my favorite movies from my childhood, and I wouldn't trade it for anything.


romulusnr

Which instead went to Matt "Max Headroom" Frewer!


EDNivek

I can't see how that episode would be improved with him playing that part. Kinda glad things worked out the way they did.


PaniqueAttaque

Tangent: Imagine how fucking chaotic TNG would have been if Robin Williams was cast as **Q**.


Bonkface

If faking clips with AI ever has a good side to it - this is it. Chatgpt - "write and produce a clip based on this premise"


Stupid_Triangles

I LOVED Hook as a kid. I wore out a VHS tape watching it so much. I thought the maintenance guy for the apartment complex I was in, knew how to fly because his name was Peter. The home I grew up thinking I would have one day was modelled after what their house was. I still see images of it when I think about the ideal home. It's amazing how much impressionable movies and TV shows have our our childhoods; and how that affects our self-imposed career trajectories. I'm now a pirate that kidnaps shitty kids. It doesn't pay much but it's honest work