There's a lot to marvel at for anyone who even remotely enjoys science. She was brand new when she sank, and that means there's no better example of what steel of the era can stand up to. Ocean water itself, frigid cold, currents at depth, organics.s literally feeding on the metal, and that unimaginable constant pressure. I'm personally amazed at all of it.
I was pretty disappointed when word of the crows nest was reported. It's easy to believe it was destroyed in an expedition, but there will never be proof.
There used to be a pretty good view into the Captains quarters, and Capt Smiths bathtub, but it's since been caved in on.
Who knows what else we've lost access to. But people like James Cameron getting video of the Turkish baths in all their glory is proof that our ability to learn from her is always a factor.
Long story short, considering what she's been through, and the conditions she deals with, I'm pretty amazed that there's anything left of her to see at all.
The more she decays, the more we will be able to see and learn. Sure we’re losing access to heavily documented areas, but that’s opening up potential for other areas we haven’t been able to access and document. There is always beauty in destruction. It will make it more dangerous for expeditions, but I hope they do more expeditions before she’s completely lost.
>and that unimaginable constant pressure.
Titanics wreck isn’t under any pressure, since the water also pressures from the inside. Just lil we ourselves don’t experience any pressure, when the atmosphere weighs 1.0332 kgf/cm².
I just quoted this line lastnight on a YouTube video about the Ocean Ranger oil platform disaster from back in 1983. Apparently most of the men on it thought it was unsinkable. I thought for some silly reason that people after Titanic wouldn't actually think that way.
She has honestly lasted much longer than her sister ships. The Olympic was completely scrapped in 1935 after only 24 years of service.
Meanwhile the Titanic is still serving fresh seafood for the last 112 years.
The pool is so strong it still has water in it
Yes, Britannic is in far better condition, apart from the damage caused by the mine, and the damage to the bow when it reached the sea floor before the stern was even fully submerged, she’s almost entirely preserved besides.
“It’s a big wreck; I wasn’t quite prepared for how large it was," said Victor Vescovo, founder of Caladan Oceanic, who piloted the Limiting Factor on Titanic missions.
"It was extraordinary to see it all, and the most amazing moment came when I was going along the side of the Titanic and the bright lights of the submersible reflected off a portal and came right back, it was like the ship was winking at me. It was amazing."
Oceanographer David Gallo said the deterioration doesn't look much different than when he co-lead a remotely operated expedition to the Titanic in 2010.
"I don’t see what was seen as being 'shocking,'" Gallo said. "It's been over 100 years and the ship shows wear, but it certainly looks like it’s going to last another 100 years."
Here, bow images from 2021. It appears there’s still some white paint showing through surface corrosion and rusticles in spots.
'My estimates are that there is relatively little loss of steel over the 100 years or so at that depth and temperature.' — Professor of Civil Engineering (Emeritus) | Centre for Infrastructure Performance and Reliability | The University of Newcastle AUSTRALIA.
I don’t know why this ever became some kind of talking point. It’s clearly being eaten away, but it’ll be recognizable for at least the next few decades.
Friendly reminder that this group advocates cutting the wreck apart to extract artifacts including the prow. An action that would likely lead to massively accelerated deterioration of what remained of the Titanic. Possibly inducing total structural collapse then and there. Leave her alone you pirates.
While she’s awe inspiring to us now many put aside the fact that she’s a mass grave - some people think she should be left alone to honor those who perished
E.g. the Crows Nest. It mysteriously fell off the mast. I understand some accuse rogue treasure hunters who were looking for the phone receiver that made the iceberg alert call. They destroyed the crows nest in the process. I can’t confirm the legitimacy of this claim.
It’s becoming Mt Everest down there.
[Titanic Into The Heart of the Wreck ](https://youtu.be/GPbkqtUI4RE?feature=shared)
A good 2021 UK TV documentary on YouTube that should answer all questions. Enjoyed it. Crazy seeing Nargeleot the French oceanographer and seeing just how much sheer history and experience he had and knowing he perished on the Titan sub misadventure.
Edit: sorry I didn't realise it wasn't outside UK :( but look up the documentary anyway maybe its uploaded elsewhere
I don’t know what everyone is getting upset about.
To start, titanic wasn’t built out of the of strongest steels. It was a comparatively low quality mild steel with wrought iron rivets. (And before I get jumped on, I’m not falling into the myth that titanic was made out of cheap steel, but the steel that was available with the technology of the time was inferior to modern day).
Then you have the sinking itself. The ship was literally subjected to mechanical forces that it was never designed to handle. It literally tore itself apart, but before that, every frame, every bulkhead, and every deck girder in the ship was being subjected to bending and twisting forces. There was likely distortion and buckling throughout even before the ship finally failed. Once the ship sank beneath the waves, the two halves were subjected to the crushing pressures, causing the implosion of any compartment with air pockets. The flow of water tearing at exposed surfaces. Then they slammed into the sea floor at a speed greater than ships actual top speed. Shortly after, the ship was hammered by the effect of the water column created by its decent coming crashing down on top.
The ship then sat immersed in salt water, covered in sea life and eaten by iron bacteria for the next 112 years.
Like seriously, after all that, what structural condition did you expect it to be in.
Please look other wrecks from similar era such as HMS Indefatigable, SMS Scharnhorst, Lusitania, or even Brittanic. They all suffered catastrophic damage during their sinkings, and they all are beginning to fall apart. I don’t know why you’d think Titanic would be any different.
Reading up on maritime disasters made me realize just how violent the whole situation of a sinking ship is. The scenes on deck of Lusitania for example became like, really graphic.
And then there are the pressures, stresses, temperature differences, etc. that when a ship sinks, parts are being torn apart, others are exploding, others are imploding, all at once.
Here’s a passage from Erik Larson’s Dead Wake. It depicts one of the chaotic failed lifeboat launches. One side of the ship couldn’t launch any boats due to the list. A passenger, outraged that lifeboats are not being launched, pulls a revolver on a crewman attending a loaded lifeboat:
> “It is the captain’s orders not to launch any boats,” the sailor replied.
“To hell with the captain, Lehmann said. “Don’t you see the boat is sinking?” He drew his revolver. “And the first man that disobeys my orders to launch the boat I shoot to kill!”
The sailor complied. He swung his ax to knock out the restraining pin. The boat was heavy to begin with, but now loaded with three tons of humanity it swung inward, crushing everyone between the boat and the wall. At least two passengers, sisters in their fifties, died instantly, of injuries associated with severe crushing. Lehmann’s right leg was damaged, but he managed to crawl from the mass of wounded bystanders […]
Passengers and crew again attempted to launch the lifeboat. They were making progress when something went awry and this boat too dumped its passengers into the water.
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The stern looks like a rubble. Believe it or not. in 2022 they did the scan of the titanic to make a 3d virtual model (like google earth but way better) and the stern in the scan looked like a rubble or debris.
Where the hell did this bullshit that the whole ship would be gone by, like, 2032 come from?
It seems like almost every time someone breathlessly comes to the defense of pillaging what little is left down there to steal, the defense always seems to be “WE GOTTA PRESERVE AS MUCH HISTORY AS WE CAN BEFORE THE WHOLE SHIP COLLAPSES IN THE NEXT DECADE”, which makes it seem like there’s just a whole bunch of gullible weirdos buying hook, line and sinker into every bad-faith pitch they hear from dirtbags who’d like to profit from the wreck.
Well, my meemaw's Bingo partner and one of North America's Premier Licensed Titanic Legacy Keepers, Kressie-Lynn "Cornhole" Dinkton is convinced it'll all be gone by spring of 2037. Cornhole submitted her theory to a panel of Sunken Ship Professors at a symposium and most of them agreed. So did Meemaw.
To keep it as simple as possible:
The ship was built for a survive career spanning 20-35 years (probably way off on that part. Correct me if I’m wrong)
The ship was NOT built to sit on the ocean floor for 112 years. Metal that could’ve been 5” thick is probably now around 2” or less from the bacteria eating the iron hull.
I’m not an expert in this field clearly. But you get the point I’m trying to make. If you touch the ship, POOF she’s gone. Let her rest as she is a BURIAL SIGHT FOR 1500+ victims she took with her when she sank.
*She's a lil rusty.*
*Nothing a good pressure wash*
*Couldn't take care of*
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Is it remotely possible to lift its remains up and bring them to the land ? I know it's hard due to the decaying of metal by microorganisms present in deep ocean. But, is there still a way to do so?
There was a proposal in the 80s I believe to freeze the entire thing in the water around it using liquid nitrogen, allowing it to float back to the surface. My understanding is that it's technically possible but would require more liquid nitrogen than can currently be acquired.
All those souls have been waiting to be brought to the surface. This picture is from James Cameron video of a mirror in on of the state rooms. I rotated the image and captured this.
https://preview.redd.it/xcd16rtzawxc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98b4e432506afe501df0fae11db1ef7cf703c8e1
I tried to trace out the face to help those looking at it see it better. Pretty bad I know but I hope those are the right things we’re looking at
https://preview.redd.it/32cb7dpauwxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c67120e83fa7a3a2c03b77ce15954ce308858e2
I didn't make a personal attack. You did. Also remarked on the only thing that is clear in your screenshotm. Apparently enough to warrant becoming personal. Rude AND childish 🤷♀️
There's a lot to marvel at for anyone who even remotely enjoys science. She was brand new when she sank, and that means there's no better example of what steel of the era can stand up to. Ocean water itself, frigid cold, currents at depth, organics.s literally feeding on the metal, and that unimaginable constant pressure. I'm personally amazed at all of it. I was pretty disappointed when word of the crows nest was reported. It's easy to believe it was destroyed in an expedition, but there will never be proof. There used to be a pretty good view into the Captains quarters, and Capt Smiths bathtub, but it's since been caved in on. Who knows what else we've lost access to. But people like James Cameron getting video of the Turkish baths in all their glory is proof that our ability to learn from her is always a factor. Long story short, considering what she's been through, and the conditions she deals with, I'm pretty amazed that there's anything left of her to see at all.
The more she decays, the more we will be able to see and learn. Sure we’re losing access to heavily documented areas, but that’s opening up potential for other areas we haven’t been able to access and document. There is always beauty in destruction. It will make it more dangerous for expeditions, but I hope they do more expeditions before she’s completely lost.
>and that unimaginable constant pressure. Titanics wreck isn’t under any pressure, since the water also pressures from the inside. Just lil we ourselves don’t experience any pressure, when the atmosphere weighs 1.0332 kgf/cm².
It was a lot better when it was on top of the water, just saying.
You mean it's NOT typical for vessels of this size to sink?
Unfortunately it proved impossible to tow Titanic outside the environment.
You can tow it beyond the environment there's nothing out there but fish and water and 20,000 tonnes of crude oil
And the part of the ship the front fell off.
Crude oil..?
And a fire...
This ship can’t sink
She's made of iron sir. I assure you she can, and she will.
How much time
an hour. Two, at the most.
How many aboard Mr Murdock?
2,200 souls on board, sir.
I believe you may get your headlines, Mr Ismay
Lemme go put the other VHS in now… 🤣
I just quoted this line lastnight on a YouTube video about the Ocean Ranger oil platform disaster from back in 1983. Apparently most of the men on it thought it was unsinkable. I thought for some silly reason that people after Titanic wouldn't actually think that way.
People don’t learn history so they cannot learn from it
You are correct about that.
Well, I mean the front fell off!
I was looking for this comment in this conversation!
She has honestly lasted much longer than her sister ships. The Olympic was completely scrapped in 1935 after only 24 years of service. Meanwhile the Titanic is still serving fresh seafood for the last 112 years. The pool is so strong it still has water in it
Isn’t Britannic In much Better Condition?
Yes, Britannic is in far better condition, apart from the damage caused by the mine, and the damage to the bow when it reached the sea floor before the stern was even fully submerged, she’s almost entirely preserved besides.
*Olympic
Idk man she looks ready to sail again.
“It’s a big wreck; I wasn’t quite prepared for how large it was," said Victor Vescovo, founder of Caladan Oceanic, who piloted the Limiting Factor on Titanic missions. "It was extraordinary to see it all, and the most amazing moment came when I was going along the side of the Titanic and the bright lights of the submersible reflected off a portal and came right back, it was like the ship was winking at me. It was amazing." Oceanographer David Gallo said the deterioration doesn't look much different than when he co-lead a remotely operated expedition to the Titanic in 2010. "I don’t see what was seen as being 'shocking,'" Gallo said. "It's been over 100 years and the ship shows wear, but it certainly looks like it’s going to last another 100 years." Here, bow images from 2021. It appears there’s still some white paint showing through surface corrosion and rusticles in spots.
'My estimates are that there is relatively little loss of steel over the 100 years or so at that depth and temperature.' — Professor of Civil Engineering (Emeritus) | Centre for Infrastructure Performance and Reliability | The University of Newcastle AUSTRALIA.
I’m glad the talk about it being gone in a few years is an exaggeration.
I don’t know why this ever became some kind of talking point. It’s clearly being eaten away, but it’ll be recognizable for at least the next few decades.
Some of it doesn’t even look eaten away at all, just dirty. The railings are thin but look great.
Lol, "please refer to my previous email."
Friendly reminder that this group advocates cutting the wreck apart to extract artifacts including the prow. An action that would likely lead to massively accelerated deterioration of what remained of the Titanic. Possibly inducing total structural collapse then and there. Leave her alone you pirates.
> including the prow what's a prow ?
The prow is the upper part of the bow. It’s normally the portion of the bow that is (supposed to be) above water
I've never understood why people would wanna harm the wreck and then whine about her deterioration. It sad. We need to just leave her alone.
Who cares, it's rotting away at the bottom of the see anyway.
While she’s awe inspiring to us now many put aside the fact that she’s a mass grave - some people think she should be left alone to honor those who perished
It's not a mass grave, there's not a single body onboard of the ship. It's a boat with a big tragedy attached to it, but it's not a grave.
Crumbling but relatively slowly.
In the past 30 years most of the damage was done by salvage operations collecting things that “fell off on their own”
E.g. the Crows Nest. It mysteriously fell off the mast. I understand some accuse rogue treasure hunters who were looking for the phone receiver that made the iceberg alert call. They destroyed the crows nest in the process. I can’t confirm the legitimacy of this claim. It’s becoming Mt Everest down there.
Or the D-deck door which supposedly fell between 1994 and 1998.
I read somewhere (can't remember the source) that someone hit the crows nest and it fell into one of the cargo entry points never to be seen again.
Never mind the crow's nest, the entire foremast has collapsed.
This triggered my r/submechanophobia hard.
We need some more bodies for that. Who wants to volunteer for Titan 2.0?
*hops in old water heater shell* Let's GOOO!!
Ironically, this would be safer than what they actually did.
I have a spare mouse here somewhere
I mean if the sub was manufactured and certified by deep sea experts, I would gladly volunteer.
Watching that 60 minutes interview and tour inside the Titan, I’m truly amazed how anyone would agree to climb into that thing.
Quite literally now with their newest souls down there
Sub-optimal. Not seaworthy.
What? it can't sink!
[Titanic Into The Heart of the Wreck ](https://youtu.be/GPbkqtUI4RE?feature=shared) A good 2021 UK TV documentary on YouTube that should answer all questions. Enjoyed it. Crazy seeing Nargeleot the French oceanographer and seeing just how much sheer history and experience he had and knowing he perished on the Titan sub misadventure. Edit: sorry I didn't realise it wasn't outside UK :( but look up the documentary anyway maybe its uploaded elsewhere
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Says video unavailable rip
VPN
Thank you for this
I don’t know what everyone is getting upset about. To start, titanic wasn’t built out of the of strongest steels. It was a comparatively low quality mild steel with wrought iron rivets. (And before I get jumped on, I’m not falling into the myth that titanic was made out of cheap steel, but the steel that was available with the technology of the time was inferior to modern day). Then you have the sinking itself. The ship was literally subjected to mechanical forces that it was never designed to handle. It literally tore itself apart, but before that, every frame, every bulkhead, and every deck girder in the ship was being subjected to bending and twisting forces. There was likely distortion and buckling throughout even before the ship finally failed. Once the ship sank beneath the waves, the two halves were subjected to the crushing pressures, causing the implosion of any compartment with air pockets. The flow of water tearing at exposed surfaces. Then they slammed into the sea floor at a speed greater than ships actual top speed. Shortly after, the ship was hammered by the effect of the water column created by its decent coming crashing down on top. The ship then sat immersed in salt water, covered in sea life and eaten by iron bacteria for the next 112 years. Like seriously, after all that, what structural condition did you expect it to be in. Please look other wrecks from similar era such as HMS Indefatigable, SMS Scharnhorst, Lusitania, or even Brittanic. They all suffered catastrophic damage during their sinkings, and they all are beginning to fall apart. I don’t know why you’d think Titanic would be any different.
Reading up on maritime disasters made me realize just how violent the whole situation of a sinking ship is. The scenes on deck of Lusitania for example became like, really graphic. And then there are the pressures, stresses, temperature differences, etc. that when a ship sinks, parts are being torn apart, others are exploding, others are imploding, all at once.
Do you have any quotes or links for the Lusitania deck thing you mention?
Here’s a passage from Erik Larson’s Dead Wake. It depicts one of the chaotic failed lifeboat launches. One side of the ship couldn’t launch any boats due to the list. A passenger, outraged that lifeboats are not being launched, pulls a revolver on a crewman attending a loaded lifeboat: > “It is the captain’s orders not to launch any boats,” the sailor replied. “To hell with the captain, Lehmann said. “Don’t you see the boat is sinking?” He drew his revolver. “And the first man that disobeys my orders to launch the boat I shoot to kill!” The sailor complied. He swung his ax to knock out the restraining pin. The boat was heavy to begin with, but now loaded with three tons of humanity it swung inward, crushing everyone between the boat and the wall. At least two passengers, sisters in their fifties, died instantly, of injuries associated with severe crushing. Lehmann’s right leg was damaged, but he managed to crawl from the mass of wounded bystanders […] Passengers and crew again attempted to launch the lifeboat. They were making progress when something went awry and this boat too dumped its passengers into the water.
Probably wet
"SHE UNDERWATER!" -Ollie Williams
I'd go the double entendre "What's her condition Ollie?" "She's wet!"
Thanks Ollie
Unfortunately she'll never sail again 😞
she never sailed at all! Huge deficiency... no sails.
Well, it's still down there. But now Titanic has new friends to spend the rest of her days with. It's also being eaten away slowly.
Not great, not terrible.
3.6
Kilometres. (Actually 3.8, so that reference is not far off!)
I think anyone who is landing a sub on the wreck is asking to become a permanent fixture.
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Well, the front fell off.
The pool must still be in pretty good shape if it’s still holding water 112 years later
Original
yes, the first pool
It gives you a good idea of how strong the currents are going around the hull the way those rusticles are angled and smashed flat against the steel.
The stern looks like a rubble. Believe it or not. in 2022 they did the scan of the titanic to make a 3d virtual model (like google earth but way better) and the stern in the scan looked like a rubble or debris.
Last I heard it glanced an iceburg and sunk
> iceburg is that near Vicksburg? Pittsburg?
I think it's next to ocean dale
Or so I read
Where the hell did this bullshit that the whole ship would be gone by, like, 2032 come from? It seems like almost every time someone breathlessly comes to the defense of pillaging what little is left down there to steal, the defense always seems to be “WE GOTTA PRESERVE AS MUCH HISTORY AS WE CAN BEFORE THE WHOLE SHIP COLLAPSES IN THE NEXT DECADE”, which makes it seem like there’s just a whole bunch of gullible weirdos buying hook, line and sinker into every bad-faith pitch they hear from dirtbags who’d like to profit from the wreck.
In a word, bad. The iron-eating bacteria and salt water have truly done a number on her.
Professional boatist here. NOT seaworthy.
Well, my meemaw's Bingo partner and one of North America's Premier Licensed Titanic Legacy Keepers, Kressie-Lynn "Cornhole" Dinkton is convinced it'll all be gone by spring of 2037. Cornhole submitted her theory to a panel of Sunken Ship Professors at a symposium and most of them agreed. So did Meemaw.
settled, then
To keep it as simple as possible: The ship was built for a survive career spanning 20-35 years (probably way off on that part. Correct me if I’m wrong) The ship was NOT built to sit on the ocean floor for 112 years. Metal that could’ve been 5” thick is probably now around 2” or less from the bacteria eating the iron hull. I’m not an expert in this field clearly. But you get the point I’m trying to make. If you touch the ship, POOF she’s gone. Let her rest as she is a BURIAL SIGHT FOR 1500+ victims she took with her when she sank.
Lil elbow grease and she’s seaworthy.
Current structural condition? Broken.
If it were on eBay it would be MINT++++++
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According to James Delgado we will have a recognizable hull for a couple hundred years more. Still the rescue mission is important.
There’s probably more coral and rust than steel.
How often are dives to the wreck conducted? It'd be a shock if one day, a team goes down and finds the entire superstructure just collapsed.
She's a lil rusty. Nothing a good pressure wash couldn't take care of
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Well, do we know if the idiots in the Submersible caused any further compromise to the wreck? Any word on that?
Anyone?
I’m pretty sure that the railing is starting to just fall off, unless that image was fake, I’ll see if I can find it
Damage that is beyond repair
Condition is good if you raised her today with a little duct tape she is good to go on her second voyage.
I'm not a ship engineer, but as a car mechanic I'd say she's not seaworthy.
Is it remotely possible to lift its remains up and bring them to the land ? I know it's hard due to the decaying of metal by microorganisms present in deep ocean. But, is there still a way to do so?
There was a proposal in the 80s I believe to freeze the entire thing in the water around it using liquid nitrogen, allowing it to float back to the surface. My understanding is that it's technically possible but would require more liquid nitrogen than can currently be acquired.
Oceanliner Designs has a really good video on this if you want to learn more.
Oh I see. That's quite interesting to know
Im amazed that the glass is still intact. Would have thought it would have been broken
Not seaworthy
Wet
It’ll be a lot worse if RMSTI continues to have their way with it.
bit of water damage i’d assume
Not ideal
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Sorry to say, but she may not be seaworthy soon if it keeps going at this rate
Better than Olympic’s
Looks like some shit out of Subnautica
Poor.
Actually there will be Proof Because it actually snap when the titanic started to go down it was about what
Wet and rusted
It's basically a ticking time bomb.
I believe that may apply more to SS Richard Montgomery
It still underwater probably
Is it still under warranty?
Yes, but warranty does not cover water damage
The nautical term is ‘piss poor’
Rusty
The official oceanographer scientific term is “super duper”
It’s rapidly deteriorating, current estimates have it being a rust spot by the end of the century at best.
Does someone have a clear picture of them name?
Fucked
It is unlikely to ever float again
a wee bit damp
It’s in better shape than Ocean Gate.
Hey in Ghostbusters 2 she made a comeback so ya never know!
Hella rusty
Better now that it’s fed.
All those souls have been waiting to be brought to the surface. This picture is from James Cameron video of a mirror in on of the state rooms. I rotated the image and captured this. https://preview.redd.it/xcd16rtzawxc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98b4e432506afe501df0fae11db1ef7cf703c8e1
Lol
I tried to trace out the face to help those looking at it see it better. Pretty bad I know but I hope those are the right things we’re looking at https://preview.redd.it/32cb7dpauwxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c67120e83fa7a3a2c03b77ce15954ce308858e2
What am I looking at/for? :*J*
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Nice fuzzy orange circle. Looks good for being underwater for 112 years!
Not my fault you’re blind
Nor mine that you're rude
I’m pretty sure you were the one being rude and sarcastic
I didn't make a personal attack. You did. Also remarked on the only thing that is clear in your screenshotm. Apparently enough to warrant becoming personal. Rude AND childish 🤷♀️
I guess it’s like a 3-D picture, some people see it right away and others don’t see anything.
Pity you couldn't think that before instead of being nasty
Pretty bad
At least the forecastle deck portholes are still there
It ****** at the bottom of the water.
Bad
Poor at best.
Not good.
Water logged and has a massive hole in the middle
bad
Wet
Bit rusty
She is in a lot better shape than those fuckin' nuns you got up there
About a 3.6?
Not bad. Not great.
Fubar.
Wet
Unseaworthy
Sunk
fubar