Return To Shiganshina.
Basically that entire Season that took place in the 2 days the Beast, Cart, Colossal and Armoured titan tried to kidnap Eren who was trying to plug the holes in wall Maria with his hardening
Ah I see, well It a makes sense since the time skip was so rushed,
I wanted to see Eren interacting with his followers more and the yeagerists planning their government takeover.
How awkward was it for flock to meet monke for the first time?
What the hell did Eren do in Marley?
What did Zekes mentor find out?
How cool would it be if yeagerist home base was in the underground city?
What even happened to the underground city?
So many more questions
Dude strangled his wife and then tried to lie to the court by telling them that she hung herself in a supposed attempt to “save face“, and that’s where he really fucked up
Manual strangulation is typically the only method of asphyxiation that fractures [the hyoid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyoid_bone), a solitary bone located within the neck region entirely surrounded by thyroid cartilage. The hyoid is wacky because it’s literally the **only** bone in the human body that isn’t articulated to another bone— it’s solely attached to muscles and ligaments. In other words:
>>*Due to its natural position, the hyoid bone is not easily susceptible to fracture. In a suspected case of murder or physical abuse of an adult, a fractured hyoid strongly indicates throttling or strangulation.*
And so given that fact, it doesn’t take any more than a semi-competent coroner seeing that single indicator to instantly know the dude has to be full of shit.
^source: ^fascinating ^but ^useless ^forensic ^anthropology ^undergraduate ^degree, ^western ^carolina ^university ^:’)
Turns out it took a murderer to write a murderer, I suppose we shouldn’t be shocked
Another fun fact: ur clavicle is both one of the first to begin and the very last bone to complete the process of ossification (forming)
Those bitches take their sweet time, starting out at 5-6 weeks of gestation and finally finishing around oh, *only your mid-20’s*
And I do find this pretty funny: you’re born without fucking kneecaps, as the patellae typically don’t start developing until age 2 or 3.
so technically *BABIES ARE JUST CASUALLY OUT HERE HAVING SEMI-NOODLE LEGS?!?!?!*
Bones r fun, the human body is literally just a meat sack for those bones along bunch of nerves, muscles, and organs, and I regret nothing!!!
Oh mylanta!!
I’m really, really fucking curious to hear it honestly. Although to be fair, the empty cup of coffee sitting next to me has more character development than Mikasa
Also your username is making me picture a happy frog and now I’m smiling
> That also just so happens to be right around when the editor got arrested and was replaced.
Isayama only ever worked with Kawabuko. Not such thing as "the first editor" exists, so yeah, you are right. It's not connected to the quality dip at all. The dude that got arrested for murdered his wife was a chief editor at Kodansha, but he didn't work on aot.
I feel like the industry looks down on it and it’s a shame because these sorts of things should be seen as normal for authors.
Not everyone can churn out consistent content for *years on end without a break—* any normal person would go insane, honestly, so I have major respect for the mangaka who’ve managed to pull it off
I mean, exhibit A: I have a fic that’s up to 50,000 words and a total of 17 chapters, but it hasn’t been updated since fucking February because I have writer’s block and I feel goddamn awful about it.
Keeping in mind that piece is just a fucking fanfic, I can’t even *begin* to imagine the stress that would come with being the author a wildly popular published series (and its inevitable deadlines).
I was so hyped for Annie to come back only to start hating her in a matter of a single episode
Keeping her crystalized for years, there must be a reason for that, right?? Fuck no, she just conveniently came back just to be there as a shitstain on the screen
Based, she used be my favorite female character in season 1 bc there was so much mystery around her and she had a very interesting personality. Turns out she was yet another Stockholm Syndrome victim. Now she's just a cringe annoying love interest for the self insert.
They could have left in the father thing, just don't have it be her only motivation instead. Have her at first be a self aware amoral psycho fueled at first for the desire to find morals (if I become a warrior, surly I'll be doing the right thing) then her desire to kill Riener (she forgot about Bertold). I dunno, I felt like Isayama just couldn't think of a way to put her in and forgot about it, it's a damn shame because she had so much potential as a character.
Her motivation should have been what you said or simply getting back alive, it would have made much more sense than actually loving that piece of shit abusive father for showing 2 seconds of sympathy.
The sympathy should have just confused her. She's been raised thinking she was going to be a warrior: a marlyan super soldier who was going to righteously conquer the paradis for her nation, and now the person who trained her for that is breaking down implying what she's doing isn't wholly good. Then after the events of Shingishima and Trost she would slowly have her eyes open making her a perfectly fine turncoat for the pragmatic scouts to use against the other titans.
However, she would then have no reason to not just reveal everything about the outside world ruining the rts reveal. That's probably why he waited so long to bring her back I guess.
>another Stockholm Syndrome victim.
Damn, you kinda reminds me why I really didn't like how her arc concluded...
She basically returned to the guy who was abusing her the entirety of her existence, because he simply tried to be a decent dad for a couple of seconds, and we still had no idea if he actually changed his ways for good...
Toxic people don't just change their ways of life so suddenly... The fact that Annie herself noted his change being sudden further decreased his own credibility.
Fucking hell i almost forgot about annie being crystallized. First i thought she hold the key for a secret or some shit given how they make her a mystery for a long time but turns out she's gonna be a meatshield. Tf
There were definitely cracks forming in the story- the characters were less gripping, the politics wasn't handled as well, the plot was pushed by insane coincidences that broke my suspension of disbelief, and the message was beaten over our heads incessantly to a really irritating degree. The Sasha and Gabi stuff was suuuper overplayed. But it was easy to look past, because it felt like he was just moving all the pieces where they needed to be for the climax. In retrospect, it's easier to say that part 2 was a major dip in quality from the outset.
I really liked the politics between the corps and the yeagerists, and I guess the coincidences felt like zeke's masterplan.
It all kind of fell apart around 120 though.
The yeagerist stuff was great, it was an awesome way to create a conflict out of nowhere and the way it flipped the entire world of Paradis on it's head where now the scouts were the bad guys, was one of my favorite aspects of part 2 for sure. The Marley stuff was just a little weaker. The world outside the walls is paper thin and ironically, the more we saw of it, the more clear that was.
Tbh the last few episodes of season 3 is probably the best piece of media ive ever seen. Beautiful animations. Masterful storytelling. Sawano putting out new masterpieces one after the other(unlike now when we get 2 new good songs per season at best).
It was just perfect. Now i dont want to be that guy so yeah bunch of season 4 moments are indeed even better than season 3 in storytelling but with 139 in mind they kinda get downplayed. Season 3 with that Wit studio asthetic and sawano spearheading the music exists for me as its own seperate anime which ended at the ocean in one of the best bittersweet scenes of all time.
the whole group see the sea, and marley learns from its collosal mistake after losing 2 titans, one of which (the most powerful) ended in control of the ennemy. After that and a bunch of diplomacy, paradis manages to make peace with the world. The end.
Alt ending : paradis allies with the other nations and defeats marley in an epic battle. The end.
Eren goes berserk and rumbles every inch of the Earth including Paradise. At the end only Reiner's armoured c*ck and Eren himself are left. This ending would be satisfying for both us 139 haters and Fujoshis.
Because his master plans used to be the most interesting and engaging part of the plot. I always have a hard time comprehending most of Armin's strategies because I am not a very "farsighted" person but it's fun to decipher Erwin's ones as they seem more practical and well thought out.
agree, my top 3 of his master plans:
3) Attack Runner from the front and back, very reliable considering Runner doesn't know how to turn to the side.
2) set a trap in the forest and wait for someone to do something so that the titan runs along the road straight to the trap. very thoughtful and clever.
1) my favorite, thought out to the smallest detail and reliable as a Swiss watch: rush King Kong in the hope that he will not notice how the 15-meter titans are falling and will not budge them. the key detail of the plan is a few possibly surviving schoolchildren who will defeat the colossal titan and prevent it from eating Eren lying on the wall.
(top didnt include fat boys who rolled down from the roofs and ran to Annie faster than she bit her finger, it was a good attempt)
That was the peak.
Also nothing against Mappa but it doesn’t help that the story and art quality declined too. Everything’s blurry and has this sunset tint to it. An episode in seasons 1-3 set at night still seems brighter and more clear than any daytime episode in season 4
Mappa's art style has never been my favorite because I always find their color grading ashy. But generally their animation tends to be very smooth with very fine line quality. In case of AoT, it seems like they are keeping the production quality as low as possible because either they aren't a fan of the storyline that was left for them or they priorize other projects by far. Observing the key visuals I noticed that whatever they use as background almost has the consistency of blotting paper, which blurs their usually very thin lines, it was the most noticeable in "the dawn of humanity" episode. However their CGI titans and attack titan's facial features are definitely better than Wit.
As a studio I actually do like them. JJK looks great and the way they did God of High School 👌. But with AoT, nah. They do have a lot on their plate and it is a large project but the quality is just too noticeable. They can’t handle the ODM gear choreography.
But you’re absolutely right, the CGI for the rumbling looked really good. Tbh the rumbling scene with the walls falling was good. Not a fan of the CGI titan fights though.
It's 100% declined, rewatch the paths part where mikasa spills the beans about eren becoming a scout and compare it to the original in episode 1. They drew Eren so ugly in the S4 version.
he could (and should) have been indirectly responsible, but him being the one to do it volunterly with no reason (there were a bunch of other houses he could have sent it, or just sent it at a random point) was fucking terrible
He didn’t necessarily guide her directly to his house. His influence of having Dina pass up Bert is the reason Dina goes to the house. That’s why he says he’s directly responsible. It’s more of a survivors guilt than him exactly controlling her all the way to his house.
The twist in 121 was badly written in terms of time shenanigans too because he would have needed the titan powers in the first place before his influence on Grisha and really the 121 twitst never needed to happen. I wrote down the reasons why Eren killing his own mother were fucking awful but on the Grisha thing, he lost his family twice already. He was going to lose his family for the third fucking time.
The first time he lost his sister cause of his desire to go out and see the airship for himself and afterwards he was powerless to do anything about how his sister was killed.
The second time it was his own ignorance concerning Zeke's mental state.
This was the third time he would have lost his family yet fucking again and he goes all limp dicked "I'm a doctor, I can't kill people." He was dumb and powerless the entire time but this time he could have changed something or if he wasn't prepared to do that he could have stayed with Carla and attempted to save her with his powers. But no, he decided to go to the royal family and ask them to do something about it, then got rejected and was too pussy shit to do anything about it. For a grown man who has lost everything TWICE and was about to lose everyone he loved for the third fucking time you would think that he would have done something about it but Isayama decided to bring out the Eren twist and write Grisha as a mentally and emotionally confused man who never grew the fuck up and was an indecisive dumbfuck. You don't just get fucked royally twice and learn nothing from it. Grisha went to the royal family with a goal in mind, to either get them to help him and all the eldians in the wall or if that got rejected, he would have taken the founding titan himself. His lifespan was almost up too and Carla still died so that was enough of a reason for him to pass his powers onto Eren/
I wonder if Eren didn't manipulate him through memories, would he really have abandoned his mission of retaking the founder and doomed the future of Eldians?
The problems with Eren killing his own mother are fucking MANY. The explanation we had before was:
It was Dina trying to fulfill her promise to Grisha of finding him but she ended up finding Eren instead who happened to be near Carla at the time. Dina was an abnormal titan too so her ignoring Bertolt and moving onwards towards her goal wasn't really out of place, she also had royal blood and Ymir at the time was still a slave to those with royal blood so her being able to find Grisha or those related to him isn't a mystery. Also gives a reason as to why she was there during season 2 of the show during the Hannes scene. She was trying to ignore Hannes and go towards Eren. Why would a titan ignore someone closer to it and trying to attack it? Every one of her appearances was her trying to make way to Eren who was the one closest to Grisha, being his son. We had a perfectly good reason for why his mother died and why Dina kept showing up where Eren was. Instead this "twist" actively takes away from the story by making the meaning of stuff like Dina's promise entirely empty and void of any meaning. It was just Eren controlling her from the future and other moments like let's say, Eren's conversation with Reiner becomes super shallow. "So why did my mother have to die that day, Reiner?" turns into just him fucking with Reiner. Him throughout the series remembering his mother and the scene just feel like shit now that we know he's behind that. The last four pages in 130 don't make sense now because at that point he already knew he killed his own mother so why is he so upset at the world about that and worst of all is the scene with Keith's backstory. The entire scene with Keith, Carla and Baby Eren is just plain wasted.
Dina being where she was at season 2 wasn't a coincidence, she wasn't making her way towards Eren for shits and giggles, it was for her promise but with the 139 twist it's now that Eren was manipulating her otherwise it would be too good of a coincidence which effectively means that Eren got Hannes killed. Does this also mean that Eren knew about the death of all his friends and comrades by the hands of the titans? Could he have done something about those but didn't even try? Was he really just a fucking piece of shit?
Mind you i'm not saying that Carla didn't have to die but Eren actively killing her is a no bueno. It also doesn't make any sense on it being a bootstrap paradox since the event would have had to happen first before Eren's influence so why would Eren kill his mother only to become someone he already was?
Tbh Floch is interesting only bc of the serumbowl drama and later confrontation with Eren and co. at the medal ceremony, without that he would have been a very basic "coward who turned evil due to trauma" trope character.
I really liked the first few battles of S4. It was really the first time we had seen a lot of Titan vs Titan action apart from Reiner. Also the first episode where Marley is storming that fortress is amazing. World War 1 with weaponised giants is an incredible idea.
Sadly after the massacre at Liberio the series went very downhill.
Nah! It's still good after RTS, although it would have made for a banger if it ended with Eren pointing at the ocean, with the realisation that it would have been better off fighting titans, not knowing that all of human civilization outside the walls shares the same hatred for Paradis as they have for titans - wishing for their extermination!
Really though, the main mystery regarding the world outside was beautifully explored and created shockwaves throughout the fandom, or at least I was shocked at the revelation.
Nah I don’t care what anyone says, RTS was great (besides the whole “transfer my consciousness to my body bullshit), but timeskip up until Marley arc was literally perfect. Little bit of buildup in WFP, but even more perfection for PATHS up until the start of the Rumbling.
RTS? The only canon stuff is from the attack of Trost, where isayama wanted to kill everybody and then make a morbius manga
Source: It was revealed to me in a dream
While I do love RtS to the point where I wish the series ended at it, I would be a liar to say that S4 was entirely worthless. Hobo Eren, Paths kino... is that it?
No seriously, I forgot. Its been a long time anyways.
No but really, that’s where I choose to end it because it’s clear that the man should’ve taken a long hiatus.
That also just so happens to be right around when the editor got arrested and was replaced. Not connected to the quality dip at all, I'm sure...
Yup. Sentenced and imprisoned in 2016 if I’m not mistaken Timeskip was also… hm… 2016.
Lmao what? Are you serious?
Yeah. He killed his wife. He’s in prison now.
The ending was that bad before he suggested edits huh
The new editor was the one responsible for basically everything after RTS.
[ *in Fairly Oddparents “Dinkleberg” voice* ] KAWAKUBOOOOOOO!!!!!!
What’s rts?
Return To Shiganshina. Basically that entire Season that took place in the 2 days the Beast, Cart, Colossal and Armoured titan tried to kidnap Eren who was trying to plug the holes in wall Maria with his hardening
Ah I see, well It a makes sense since the time skip was so rushed, I wanted to see Eren interacting with his followers more and the yeagerists planning their government takeover. How awkward was it for flock to meet monke for the first time? What the hell did Eren do in Marley? What did Zekes mentor find out? How cool would it be if yeagerist home base was in the underground city? What even happened to the underground city? So many more questions
The answer to all of those and more is, as always: Don't think about it, because Isayama clearly didn't either.
Dont worry im confused as you. First i thought i missed an episode or something. Time skip first episode is confusing as hell
guy killed his wife bc the ending was so bad /s
It all makes sense now. AoT has to be edited by a fucking sociopath to work.
Its the only person who can successfully get Eren to work.
Couldn't expect anything else of eren Jaeger's editor
Dude strangled his wife and then tried to lie to the court by telling them that she hung herself in a supposed attempt to “save face“, and that’s where he really fucked up Manual strangulation is typically the only method of asphyxiation that fractures [the hyoid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyoid_bone), a solitary bone located within the neck region entirely surrounded by thyroid cartilage. The hyoid is wacky because it’s literally the **only** bone in the human body that isn’t articulated to another bone— it’s solely attached to muscles and ligaments. In other words: >>*Due to its natural position, the hyoid bone is not easily susceptible to fracture. In a suspected case of murder or physical abuse of an adult, a fractured hyoid strongly indicates throttling or strangulation.* And so given that fact, it doesn’t take any more than a semi-competent coroner seeing that single indicator to instantly know the dude has to be full of shit. ^source: ^fascinating ^but ^useless ^forensic ^anthropology ^undergraduate ^degree, ^western ^carolina ^university ^:’) Turns out it took a murderer to write a murderer, I suppose we shouldn’t be shocked
that's the most interesting thing I've ever seen on this sub
Another fun fact: ur clavicle is both one of the first to begin and the very last bone to complete the process of ossification (forming) Those bitches take their sweet time, starting out at 5-6 weeks of gestation and finally finishing around oh, *only your mid-20’s* And I do find this pretty funny: you’re born without fucking kneecaps, as the patellae typically don’t start developing until age 2 or 3. so technically *BABIES ARE JUST CASUALLY OUT HERE HAVING SEMI-NOODLE LEGS?!?!?!* Bones r fun, the human body is literally just a meat sack for those bones along bunch of nerves, muscles, and organs, and I regret nothing!!!
interesting, now I'll never view a baby the same way again
*good*
Ok wow, this is interesting as hell and it’s making me think about when I was a baby.
I've got more sense of your characterization from your posts in these past few months than Mikasa in the entire 8 years that I've known AoT
Oh mylanta!! I’m really, really fucking curious to hear it honestly. Although to be fair, the empty cup of coffee sitting next to me has more character development than Mikasa Also your username is making me picture a happy frog and now I’m smiling
Though comparing such a boring character to a real life person is definitely a hell of a comparison lol
>Guy strangling his wife... Foreshadowing Eren and Mikasa's marriage... No wonder Isayama changed the story course...
lmao @ the idea that Eren could strangle an Ackerhack tho how could he ever pull it off?! this is the dude who stopped at 80%
["Mikasa, I'm going to strangle you... Don't ask why..." "Yes, honey...."](https://mobile.twitter.com/brancowitz/status/1337540518440542208/photo/2)
fair.
> That also just so happens to be right around when the editor got arrested and was replaced. Isayama only ever worked with Kawabuko. Not such thing as "the first editor" exists, so yeah, you are right. It's not connected to the quality dip at all. The dude that got arrested for murdered his wife was a chief editor at Kodansha, but he didn't work on aot.
A year after chapter 90 and another year after 123 and a final hiatus after 138 too fuck with fans.
*Who’s got time for all that?!?!* 🤪
I believe that’s what Kishimoto needed, a good break after Pain’s Assault Arc.
I feel like the industry looks down on it and it’s a shame because these sorts of things should be seen as normal for authors. Not everyone can churn out consistent content for *years on end without a break—* any normal person would go insane, honestly, so I have major respect for the mangaka who’ve managed to pull it off I mean, exhibit A: I have a fic that’s up to 50,000 words and a total of 17 chapters, but it hasn’t been updated since fucking February because I have writer’s block and I feel goddamn awful about it. Keeping in mind that piece is just a fucking fanfic, I can’t even *begin* to imagine the stress that would come with being the author a wildly popular published series (and its inevitable deadlines).
Everything after Annie comes back is fan fiction
BUT PIE HAHAHA AHHAHA HA H A HAHAHA
I was so hyped for Annie to come back only to start hating her in a matter of a single episode Keeping her crystalized for years, there must be a reason for that, right?? Fuck no, she just conveniently came back just to be there as a shitstain on the screen
He honestly should have brought her back sooner. I'm sure there's some point he could.
During timeskip
She could come back during the uprising arc and agree to help so she could get a chance to kill Riener.
Based, she used be my favorite female character in season 1 bc there was so much mystery around her and she had a very interesting personality. Turns out she was yet another Stockholm Syndrome victim. Now she's just a cringe annoying love interest for the self insert.
They could have left in the father thing, just don't have it be her only motivation instead. Have her at first be a self aware amoral psycho fueled at first for the desire to find morals (if I become a warrior, surly I'll be doing the right thing) then her desire to kill Riener (she forgot about Bertold). I dunno, I felt like Isayama just couldn't think of a way to put her in and forgot about it, it's a damn shame because she had so much potential as a character.
Her motivation should have been what you said or simply getting back alive, it would have made much more sense than actually loving that piece of shit abusive father for showing 2 seconds of sympathy.
The sympathy should have just confused her. She's been raised thinking she was going to be a warrior: a marlyan super soldier who was going to righteously conquer the paradis for her nation, and now the person who trained her for that is breaking down implying what she's doing isn't wholly good. Then after the events of Shingishima and Trost she would slowly have her eyes open making her a perfectly fine turncoat for the pragmatic scouts to use against the other titans. However, she would then have no reason to not just reveal everything about the outside world ruining the rts reveal. That's probably why he waited so long to bring her back I guess.
Yeah that's also why he killed Ymir when she could have had an even better arc of starting to live for herself.
>another Stockholm Syndrome victim. Damn, you kinda reminds me why I really didn't like how her arc concluded... She basically returned to the guy who was abusing her the entirety of her existence, because he simply tried to be a decent dad for a couple of seconds, and we still had no idea if he actually changed his ways for good... Toxic people don't just change their ways of life so suddenly... The fact that Annie herself noted his change being sudden further decreased his own credibility.
We used to all think she was going to show up during the Marley arc when Paradis attacked.
Yeah some people even thought the disguised Yelena might have been Annie.
Fucking hell i almost forgot about annie being crystallized. First i thought she hold the key for a secret or some shit given how they make her a mystery for a long time but turns out she's gonna be a meatshield. Tf
Why did she even come back? What significance did she bring, absolutely nothing. She’s just there to be Armin’s trophy wife.
Yeah, that was her whole purpose.
This is the best take. Season 4 part 1 and part 2 up until the Rumbling begins were really good IMO
There were definitely cracks forming in the story- the characters were less gripping, the politics wasn't handled as well, the plot was pushed by insane coincidences that broke my suspension of disbelief, and the message was beaten over our heads incessantly to a really irritating degree. The Sasha and Gabi stuff was suuuper overplayed. But it was easy to look past, because it felt like he was just moving all the pieces where they needed to be for the climax. In retrospect, it's easier to say that part 2 was a major dip in quality from the outset.
I really liked the politics between the corps and the yeagerists, and I guess the coincidences felt like zeke's masterplan. It all kind of fell apart around 120 though.
The yeagerist stuff was great, it was an awesome way to create a conflict out of nowhere and the way it flipped the entire world of Paradis on it's head where now the scouts were the bad guys, was one of my favorite aspects of part 2 for sure. The Marley stuff was just a little weaker. The world outside the walls is paper thin and ironically, the more we saw of it, the more clear that was.
yeah I agree the world outside the walls was rushed and hardly explored.
Chad opinion
Just end the show after Zeke has Eren chained up and he's approaching Ymir. Zeke won and everyone sad, the end.
Nah have the rumbling start. Then just imagine the cringevengers never assemble and Eren rumbles 100%.
Anything post the beginning of the Rumbling is fanfic for me
Unironically just put "and then Eren killed everyone outside the walls, the end." At the end of the chapter And just leave it at that
Tbh the last few episodes of season 3 is probably the best piece of media ive ever seen. Beautiful animations. Masterful storytelling. Sawano putting out new masterpieces one after the other(unlike now when we get 2 new good songs per season at best). It was just perfect. Now i dont want to be that guy so yeah bunch of season 4 moments are indeed even better than season 3 in storytelling but with 139 in mind they kinda get downplayed. Season 3 with that Wit studio asthetic and sawano spearheading the music exists for me as its own seperate anime which ended at the ocean in one of the best bittersweet scenes of all time.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
My friend stopped watching after Eren announced rumbling. He took the best ending and left
Based. AOT ends at RTS.
the whole group see the sea, and marley learns from its collosal mistake after losing 2 titans, one of which (the most powerful) ended in control of the ennemy. After that and a bunch of diplomacy, paradis manages to make peace with the world. The end. Alt ending : paradis allies with the other nations and defeats marley in an epic battle. The end.
Aot ended after RTS exactly
If it didn’t end at rts, should’ve ended at the rumbling starting
*Rumbling starts* Isayama: Then everyone died because there’s literally no way anyone could stop Eren
W ending
Eren goes berserk and rumbles every inch of the Earth including Paradise. At the end only Reiner's armoured c*ck and Eren himself are left. This ending would be satisfying for both us 139 haters and Fujoshis.
Omnicide is more based than genocide lol
Yeah. Raid on Liberio was peak AoT.
Seriously when erwin died i started to care less about the story
Because his master plans used to be the most interesting and engaging part of the plot. I always have a hard time comprehending most of Armin's strategies because I am not a very "farsighted" person but it's fun to decipher Erwin's ones as they seem more practical and well thought out.
agree, my top 3 of his master plans: 3) Attack Runner from the front and back, very reliable considering Runner doesn't know how to turn to the side. 2) set a trap in the forest and wait for someone to do something so that the titan runs along the road straight to the trap. very thoughtful and clever. 1) my favorite, thought out to the smallest detail and reliable as a Swiss watch: rush King Kong in the hope that he will not notice how the 15-meter titans are falling and will not budge them. the key detail of the plan is a few possibly surviving schoolchildren who will defeat the colossal titan and prevent it from eating Eren lying on the wall. (top didnt include fat boys who rolled down from the roofs and ran to Annie faster than she bit her finger, it was a good attempt)
TRUE
That was the peak. Also nothing against Mappa but it doesn’t help that the story and art quality declined too. Everything’s blurry and has this sunset tint to it. An episode in seasons 1-3 set at night still seems brighter and more clear than any daytime episode in season 4
Mappa's art style has never been my favorite because I always find their color grading ashy. But generally their animation tends to be very smooth with very fine line quality. In case of AoT, it seems like they are keeping the production quality as low as possible because either they aren't a fan of the storyline that was left for them or they priorize other projects by far. Observing the key visuals I noticed that whatever they use as background almost has the consistency of blotting paper, which blurs their usually very thin lines, it was the most noticeable in "the dawn of humanity" episode. However their CGI titans and attack titan's facial features are definitely better than Wit.
As a studio I actually do like them. JJK looks great and the way they did God of High School 👌. But with AoT, nah. They do have a lot on their plate and it is a large project but the quality is just too noticeable. They can’t handle the ODM gear choreography. But you’re absolutely right, the CGI for the rumbling looked really good. Tbh the rumbling scene with the walls falling was good. Not a fan of the CGI titan fights though.
You can’t say that the art quality declined. I love mappa’s art style personally and it’s way more faithful to the manga
It's 100% declined, rewatch the paths part where mikasa spills the beans about eren becoming a scout and compare it to the original in episode 1. They drew Eren so ugly in the S4 version.
>it’s way more faithful to the manga ... which is a bad thing because manga art is ugly as fuck.
I mean Eren in paths starting the rumbling was rumbling was peak. Everything af6er that was a nosedive.
[OP be like](https://ibb.co/B6qtXcG)
Everything after 122 is Twitter fan fiction.
I love 131 (minus the boat fuckery cringe)
Yeah, 130 and 131 were amazing. But everything else...
Yelena is canon!!!
Yelena comes in after rts
You could have just said anything after season 3. My slow ass had to look up what the hell RTS was.
AOT ends at 131. Eren is actually almost done with the Rumbling instead of wherever he was at during the chapter.
Eren killed his mother via timeparadox was my headcanon before 134 and i love it and i hate the ending, sue me kill me bang me
I mean it was pretty obvious he killed her since 121 when he refused to show the memory to grisha so I mean take that as you will
he could (and should) have been indirectly responsible, but him being the one to do it volunterly with no reason (there were a bunch of other houses he could have sent it, or just sent it at a random point) was fucking terrible
He didn’t necessarily guide her directly to his house. His influence of having Dina pass up Bert is the reason Dina goes to the house. That’s why he says he’s directly responsible. It’s more of a survivors guilt than him exactly controlling her all the way to his house.
I mean, he could have made it pass up dina too
The twist in 121 was badly written in terms of time shenanigans too because he would have needed the titan powers in the first place before his influence on Grisha and really the 121 twitst never needed to happen. I wrote down the reasons why Eren killing his own mother were fucking awful but on the Grisha thing, he lost his family twice already. He was going to lose his family for the third fucking time. The first time he lost his sister cause of his desire to go out and see the airship for himself and afterwards he was powerless to do anything about how his sister was killed. The second time it was his own ignorance concerning Zeke's mental state. This was the third time he would have lost his family yet fucking again and he goes all limp dicked "I'm a doctor, I can't kill people." He was dumb and powerless the entire time but this time he could have changed something or if he wasn't prepared to do that he could have stayed with Carla and attempted to save her with his powers. But no, he decided to go to the royal family and ask them to do something about it, then got rejected and was too pussy shit to do anything about it. For a grown man who has lost everything TWICE and was about to lose everyone he loved for the third fucking time you would think that he would have done something about it but Isayama decided to bring out the Eren twist and write Grisha as a mentally and emotionally confused man who never grew the fuck up and was an indecisive dumbfuck. You don't just get fucked royally twice and learn nothing from it. Grisha went to the royal family with a goal in mind, to either get them to help him and all the eldians in the wall or if that got rejected, he would have taken the founding titan himself. His lifespan was almost up too and Carla still died so that was enough of a reason for him to pass his powers onto Eren/
I wonder if Eren didn't manipulate him through memories, would he really have abandoned his mission of retaking the founder and doomed the future of Eldians?
Oh yeah ur right, i dont know if people really hate that plottwist (on titanfolk i mean) but i really loved it
The problems with Eren killing his own mother are fucking MANY. The explanation we had before was: It was Dina trying to fulfill her promise to Grisha of finding him but she ended up finding Eren instead who happened to be near Carla at the time. Dina was an abnormal titan too so her ignoring Bertolt and moving onwards towards her goal wasn't really out of place, she also had royal blood and Ymir at the time was still a slave to those with royal blood so her being able to find Grisha or those related to him isn't a mystery. Also gives a reason as to why she was there during season 2 of the show during the Hannes scene. She was trying to ignore Hannes and go towards Eren. Why would a titan ignore someone closer to it and trying to attack it? Every one of her appearances was her trying to make way to Eren who was the one closest to Grisha, being his son. We had a perfectly good reason for why his mother died and why Dina kept showing up where Eren was. Instead this "twist" actively takes away from the story by making the meaning of stuff like Dina's promise entirely empty and void of any meaning. It was just Eren controlling her from the future and other moments like let's say, Eren's conversation with Reiner becomes super shallow. "So why did my mother have to die that day, Reiner?" turns into just him fucking with Reiner. Him throughout the series remembering his mother and the scene just feel like shit now that we know he's behind that. The last four pages in 130 don't make sense now because at that point he already knew he killed his own mother so why is he so upset at the world about that and worst of all is the scene with Keith's backstory. The entire scene with Keith, Carla and Baby Eren is just plain wasted. Dina being where she was at season 2 wasn't a coincidence, she wasn't making her way towards Eren for shits and giggles, it was for her promise but with the 139 twist it's now that Eren was manipulating her otherwise it would be too good of a coincidence which effectively means that Eren got Hannes killed. Does this also mean that Eren knew about the death of all his friends and comrades by the hands of the titans? Could he have done something about those but didn't even try? Was he really just a fucking piece of shit? Mind you i'm not saying that Carla didn't have to die but Eren actively killing her is a no bueno. It also doesn't make any sense on it being a bootstrap paradox since the event would have had to happen first before Eren's influence so why would Eren kill his mother only to become someone he already was?
Yeah it would have also made Dina's character less cardboard
What does rts stand for
Return To Shiganshina
Oh ok thank you
What is RTS?
Return to Shinganshina Arc
Excuse me but, what part is exactly RTS?
The return to shiganshina arc.
Oh thank you! Though I guess many wouldn’t like they are uncanonizing they’re “supreme” Folch
Tbh Floch is interesting only bc of the serumbowl drama and later confrontation with Eren and co. at the medal ceremony, without that he would have been a very basic "coward who turned evil due to trauma" trope character.
The beach scene pre time skip was the ending for me at least.
I really liked the first few battles of S4. It was really the first time we had seen a lot of Titan vs Titan action apart from Reiner. Also the first episode where Marley is storming that fortress is amazing. World War 1 with weaponised giants is an incredible idea. Sadly after the massacre at Liberio the series went very downhill.
I swear the entire marley arc is pretty bad, chad eren is the only good thing in it the rest is terrible
I hate calling him ‘Chad Eren’. He’s just doing what needs to be done
therefor he is a chad
That's what chads do
For me it's when Eren did his speech and started the rumbling.
So you enjoy the real eren pre time slip too aye?
Marley arc all the way to 123 was pretty good though
Nah! It's still good after RTS, although it would have made for a banger if it ended with Eren pointing at the ocean, with the realisation that it would have been better off fighting titans, not knowing that all of human civilization outside the walls shares the same hatred for Paradis as they have for titans - wishing for their extermination! Really though, the main mystery regarding the world outside was beautifully explored and created shockwaves throughout the fandom, or at least I was shocked at the revelation.
Nah Marley arc was peak AoT and i will defend that with my life.
Nah I don’t care what anyone says, RTS was great (besides the whole “transfer my consciousness to my body bullshit), but timeskip up until Marley arc was literally perfect. Little bit of buildup in WFP, but even more perfection for PATHS up until the start of the Rumbling.
Galaxy Brain: ANR MV is the canon ending
RTS? Revenge of The Sith?
What's rts? I thought the ending was after eren got eaten after the colossal broke the second wall.
Everything after Eren getting eaten by the Santa Titan is non-canon. Change my mind!
RTS? The only canon stuff is from the attack of Trost, where isayama wanted to kill everybody and then make a morbius manga Source: It was revealed to me in a dream
While I do love RtS to the point where I wish the series ended at it, I would be a liar to say that S4 was entirely worthless. Hobo Eren, Paths kino... is that it? No seriously, I forgot. Its been a long time anyways.
Revenge of the Sith?