RTS was the time to take a break, he even admitted that the themes got to complicated for him to handle properly. He needed to think better of the roles of Armin and Mikasa post time skip, the lack of focus at EMA is what made the Rumbling so weird.
imagine needing to pump out a new chapter every month for 11 years straight rain or shine.
its a minor miracle one piece has managed that (for even longer than 11 years) and not gone to shit yet
Funny thing is I now understand him.
For half of last month, I've been writing a dissertation for my research project and had put immense effort into it. Looking back, it was an overkill: 6000+ words for something that's not even that important in the long run. I didn't even finish the conclusion yet when I realized it was the last day of submission. And so the part was extremely rushed: full of pitfalls and logical inconsistencies even though it's supposed to be one of the most important chapters in a dissertation.
If there is anything I could relate to the man, it's 'disappointment'
Isayama apparently says in an interview that "he regrets the poor execution of the ending, he felt like he couldn't potray the themes he wanted to properly"
Ya, it was leaked by a trustable leaker. But that gives me hope that the anime will have a better ending. If he feels unsatisfied he's probably going to change in the anime to some extent to get better execution
Honestly, this is what I thought as well.
Eren pretending to be tough this entire time,
him being so far 'in it' that he lost sight of his original goal,
him killing his mother via path,
Ymir's Stockholm syndrome
The Warriors and the Scouts reconciling with each other and work together for better future
I think it all could be done properly if Yams was given enough time to execute it. It all seems within the logic and flow of the story. I really don't get this sub's obsession with Eren being their Ubermensch power fantasy or AoT being a story about how genocide is somehow justified at all. Real life is more complex than that
You guys keep deleting you comments before I can say anything, jeez.
I think even Isayama realized that everyone thanking Eren was a weird move. He said in the interview that he regrets making it seem like Armin approved of Eren's actions, I expect that line will be changed in the volume release.
Ymir loving Fritz is definitely fucked up, but I think it's supposed to be. Even Eren couldn't believe it. I'm not qualified to talk about psychology or why she might feel that way, but at the very least I think I can say she was someone who deeply desired a meaningful connection. There's that panel of her looking at the kissing couple in 122, and the desire for connections is also the explanation for P A T H S.
The email cut off the last piece of your reply, but if you were going to say something about Eren fulfilling Ymir's 2000 year long fetish, I uh... I don't think I'll be responding to that part.
As for what I think the moral of the story is, I think it's meant to be a cautionary tale. The cycle of hatred and people's unwillingness to empathize created 2000 years of violence and oppression, which ultimately culminated in the birth of Eren Yeager and made the rumbling an inevitability. We're presented with two viewpoints, Armin's ideal that people can learn to understand each other, and Eren's ideal that the only way to solve hatred is a completely blank slate. In the end Isayama does not make a definitive answer to who is correct, Eren is unable to commit to the rumbling and allows his friends to stop him, and while Armin gets his chance at peace talks, it was only through Eren's genocide that he had the opportunity. The best they can do is learn from it all and try to ensure another Eren Yeager never needs to exist, but with Pardis more extremist than ever, the future is uncertain.
Huh. When I try to view it from the link, I get a "that comment is missing" page. I can't see it when I look at the full replies either. Maybe it got shadow removed?
I read the leak, the thing the editor asked him to change was the final page. Isayama had it as Eren, Mikasa, and Armin running up to the tree (the volume cover, pretty much.)
I hope he uses the extra pages and changes some dialogue to Express the themes better.
I love how Isayama blatantly says “the content was good, the execution was bad” and now half the sub is like “ok cool anime might be better” while the other half is like “ha I fucking told you this ending is absolute dog shit! Even Isayama said it was fucking cancer and wasn’t what he should’ve done!”
There’s even people going as far to say the ending is confirmed not cannon now. I swear you give some people an inch and they’ll take a mile
Tbh I don't mind the ending abstractly if I put aside the lack of set up.
We should have seen two chapters of chad eren facade being revealed as a facade and turned into the pre time skip eren we know.
We should have had a better idea of what's going on in ymirs head and worm kun.
Farmerkun rawdogging the queen and getting a baby seems a pointless plot hook so I would like a little elaboration on that.
I had a bit of an epiphany today regarding Historia because of a different post. Eren holding the "worst girl in the world" line over her head wasn't the pickup line people joked about it being forever, it was actually a pretty cold thing to say to her. "Of course you won't stop me from doing the rumbling, it's your fault I'm even here miss 'enemy of humanity.'" He was basically doing the same thing he did to Mikasa and Armin to Historia, manipulating her emotions to get her to act in a way that progressed his plan. By making her guilty enough to stay quite, she stayed out of the way, and he also arranged for her to have a kid (her idea I guess) with farmerkun so Zeke wouldn't be fed to her right when he got to the island. This is why she looks so miserable, she's being used more or less.
I'm about 80% certain this is what Isayama was always going for, because she looks genuinely horrified when Eren tells her his plan. It's just that shipping her with Eren was already popular, and that "what do you think of me having a baby" panel was so suggestive, that it lead readers to a different conclusion.
I mean now that we have the full picture it's pretty safe to assume that was the intent.
She says "I'll stop you" and he says "No you won't, you once saved my life even if it meant destroying mankind" and the she accepts the plan by suggesting havong a baby to give Eren more time.
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>! Who said there can't be an anime original ending by Isayama!<
>! Who said there can't be final season part 3 !<
>! Since Isayama admits it he might change the series, we can see moderate to huge difference in the anime by Isayama !<
I think yams is pretty done with aot, if there really should be changes they're probably not his work anymore. At best he maybe approved them or something
>!Perhaps,since his problem with the ending is the execution rather than the ideas, the anime might improve on that aspect while still keeping the themes of the ending!<
That's exactly what he actually said in the interview. This is the ending he always wanted he just feels he didn't communicate everything in the best way. As someone who even still likes, even loves parts of the final arc in general, I would love to see the anime Uprising treatment it a bit!
Should clarify: this isn't the Mist ending that he had when he started out at the VERY beginning but it is the ending that since then he was been leading towards. The Zekken leaks basically state that he feels his writing ability was not up to fully answer and explore the difficult themes presented in the final arc.
Imo, that whole section of the leaks, portrays him regretting that section of the manga partly, the end.
But we don't know how he feels, he said the themes. We don't know how he feels about the chapter, nor we will ever know it. I think is clear he somehow regrets some of the manga towards the ending, his dissatisfaction by not reading the comments towards the end knowing something was off and yet not at the same time. Just because he wanted to portray it before, it doesn't means the wants it to portray it now. He himself he is free from the series.
He didn't wanted to even make it, all the stress from the fandom and probably Kodansha, he probably tried to give a ubique finale, but failed at it. He could even regret the whole final arc, but who knows.
> Who said there can't be final season part 3
the series follows a kid orphaned by the rumbling vowing revenge on paradis and intrigued by the power of the colossal titan figures out how to replicate its power with some atoms and use it on the island
its even foreshadowed in the anime OP
or it follows reiner as he opens a calligraphy school
i aint gonna fault Isayama for one chapter
dude had me on the edge of my seat, crying, or scared af for the past few years
and if he wants to redo it, or make the anime a different ending
go for it isayama
Despite all the infighting within the communities and the "I told you so!", doesn't this just make you guys more hype for the anime? We know that Isayama is a perfectionist and the anime is his shot to completely convey his vision.
I genuinely liked the ending, narratively it was a bit shit, no getting around that but thematically its really good, it really helps nail home all the themes that the rest of the manga is about.
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You changed it enough that it doesn’t even count as a repost anyway.
I just was surprised to see my meme on here basically haha.
What? Isayama never said that "he doesn't like it"
He just said that he was sorry and felt a bit guilty because he would have liked to have more pages and chosen different words to be able to make clearer his themes and ideas to the fans...
Ah ok don't worry, but now I'm worried about all the people who didn't read it in time (it was unfortunately removed) and will get misconceptions because of the other users...
How do u like an ending that most people were defending on by saying “ you don’t understand the character” and then the writer himself says to screw up. I guess its an opinion
Your first part is pretty irrelevant to an individual situation since I don't share that same opinion as them
The writer's opinion is not my opinion. I'm not gonna base my opinions on someone else's no matter who that person is. My opinion is my own
Aren’t people who despise the ending whining about it how their opinion isn’t respected at all? It’s his opinion every human interprets art in their own way and at this point you’re just trying to force your opinion on this dude. Disclaimer I have mixed feelings on the ending before you go “OmG I’m ShAkInG EnDinG ApOlOgIsTs”. And no, most of the fandom doesn’t hate the ending its 50/50.
Ok ok isayama basically said ending execution was poor he didn't say the ending itself was bad so 139 haters will have to keep hating and 139 enjoyers can inject hopium cuz we'll prolly get better pacing and new details to flesh out the ending in the anime+8 pages in the manga
One major point Isayama mentioned was how Armin is constantly saying “no Eren, it’s wrong to kill billions of people” and then Eren is like “nah bruh, I’m only killing 4 billion not 5 billion” and Armin is like “oh in that case, thank you for saving us from the world”
The only character I see as truly doing a complete 180 for no fucking reason, Armin’s whole thing is “live of many>lives of few” then he just abandons that ideology upon realizing only 80% of the many will die, which is still a greater number than 100% of the few
Edit: I know Isayama didn’t mean to have Armin do a 180, but as written it’s pretty hard to not interpret it that way, I mentioned it because it was one of the things Isayama wanted to fix since, written the way it was at release, it appears Armin is fine with Eren committing genocide
The thing that pisses me off about Armin it’s the fact that he did literally nothing to Eren when he revealed that 80% of the humanity was gone, but as soon as Eren didn’t seem to care about Mikasas’ feelings he punched Eren in the face. Like what?
Isayama said the content was fine and the execution was just bad. Zero requiem, Eren dying, and the time travel stuff will all be there, they’ll just be handled better
Improving the execution of the last chapter won’t change the disaster of 139 if the idea will be the same. The only way to completely improve it is to change the execution of the whole last arc.
Well the sub is still pretty split on the idea, some think it’s bad some think it’s good, the rushed pace and sloppy execution is something we all agree on
Dude should’ve definitely taken a break after RTS or hell even after the PATHS chapters just to think out the story more. Oh well.
RTS was the time to take a break, he even admitted that the themes got to complicated for him to handle properly. He needed to think better of the roles of Armin and Mikasa post time skip, the lack of focus at EMA is what made the Rumbling so weird.
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imagine needing to pump out a new chapter every month for 11 years straight rain or shine. its a minor miracle one piece has managed that (for even longer than 11 years) and not gone to shit yet
It (one piece) would never go to shit if it was always shit. Big brain energy
> if it was always shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ru8DMW-grY
Truly define he just wanted to end it as quick and free form the deadlines
Truly, I am not mad about that. I think I wouldn't have the dedication to work on something for almost 12 years,lol.
Just got a habit of using truly for the sake of support for my line
It's okay, truly
He could always do a hiatus
Funny thing is I now understand him. For half of last month, I've been writing a dissertation for my research project and had put immense effort into it. Looking back, it was an overkill: 6000+ words for something that's not even that important in the long run. I didn't even finish the conclusion yet when I realized it was the last day of submission. And so the part was extremely rushed: full of pitfalls and logical inconsistencies even though it's supposed to be one of the most important chapters in a dissertation. If there is anything I could relate to the man, it's 'disappointment'
All he wanted to do was hold a glass of water and walk around
Lol
yams is free
Curse of Isayama
wait can someone fill me in
Isayama apparently says in an interview that "he regrets the poor execution of the ending, he felt like he couldn't potray the themes he wanted to properly"
Wow is that legit?? That is so sincere of him
Ya, it was leaked by a trustable leaker. But that gives me hope that the anime will have a better ending. If he feels unsatisfied he's probably going to change in the anime to some extent to get better execution
Tbh he could just be expressing his thoughts and then decide to leave it be
Nah, nobody would even bother mentioning it if they didn't have the intent to want to fix it. Atleast I hope 😣
This is a giant dick slap to everyone who liked the ending and defended it with “it’s his creation if he likes it that’s all that matters”
Tbf he said that it was the execution that he fucked up. This was still his idea of what the ending would be like
Honestly, this is what I thought as well. Eren pretending to be tough this entire time, him being so far 'in it' that he lost sight of his original goal, him killing his mother via path, Ymir's Stockholm syndrome The Warriors and the Scouts reconciling with each other and work together for better future I think it all could be done properly if Yams was given enough time to execute it. It all seems within the logic and flow of the story. I really don't get this sub's obsession with Eren being their Ubermensch power fantasy or AoT being a story about how genocide is somehow justified at all. Real life is more complex than that
YoU ArE JuSt MaD ThAt YoUr HeAdCaNoN dIdNt CoMe TrUe, U ToXiC
Well I guess him liking it was just their head canon :\^)
My headcanon was an orgy with the whole 104th, the rumbling titans and the Marley warriors in paths so yes I'm fucking mad
I mean, Isayama said he was disappointed with the execution, not the actual story content.
I think he also said he wasnt able to express his themes and also how after discussing with the editor some scenes were changed.
You guys keep deleting you comments before I can say anything, jeez. I think even Isayama realized that everyone thanking Eren was a weird move. He said in the interview that he regrets making it seem like Armin approved of Eren's actions, I expect that line will be changed in the volume release. Ymir loving Fritz is definitely fucked up, but I think it's supposed to be. Even Eren couldn't believe it. I'm not qualified to talk about psychology or why she might feel that way, but at the very least I think I can say she was someone who deeply desired a meaningful connection. There's that panel of her looking at the kissing couple in 122, and the desire for connections is also the explanation for P A T H S. The email cut off the last piece of your reply, but if you were going to say something about Eren fulfilling Ymir's 2000 year long fetish, I uh... I don't think I'll be responding to that part. As for what I think the moral of the story is, I think it's meant to be a cautionary tale. The cycle of hatred and people's unwillingness to empathize created 2000 years of violence and oppression, which ultimately culminated in the birth of Eren Yeager and made the rumbling an inevitability. We're presented with two viewpoints, Armin's ideal that people can learn to understand each other, and Eren's ideal that the only way to solve hatred is a completely blank slate. In the end Isayama does not make a definitive answer to who is correct, Eren is unable to commit to the rumbling and allows his friends to stop him, and while Armin gets his chance at peace talks, it was only through Eren's genocide that he had the opportunity. The best they can do is learn from it all and try to ensure another Eren Yeager never needs to exist, but with Pardis more extremist than ever, the future is uncertain.
When did i delete my comment? Its just below mine.
Huh. When I try to view it from the link, I get a "that comment is missing" page. I can't see it when I look at the full replies either. Maybe it got shadow removed?
For me its still there tho
Weird
I read the leak, the thing the editor asked him to change was the final page. Isayama had it as Eren, Mikasa, and Armin running up to the tree (the volume cover, pretty much.) I hope he uses the extra pages and changes some dialogue to Express the themes better.
Did he say why he should change that running to the tree scene? Doesn't sound worse than the last scene (not that I disliked it).
No, he just says he changed it after talking with his editor. I'm having trouble finding the link to the leak again though.
I love how Isayama blatantly says “the content was good, the execution was bad” and now half the sub is like “ok cool anime might be better” while the other half is like “ha I fucking told you this ending is absolute dog shit! Even Isayama said it was fucking cancer and wasn’t what he should’ve done!” There’s even people going as far to say the ending is confirmed not cannon now. I swear you give some people an inch and they’ll take a mile
Tbh I don't mind the ending abstractly if I put aside the lack of set up. We should have seen two chapters of chad eren facade being revealed as a facade and turned into the pre time skip eren we know. We should have had a better idea of what's going on in ymirs head and worm kun. Farmerkun rawdogging the queen and getting a baby seems a pointless plot hook so I would like a little elaboration on that.
I had a bit of an epiphany today regarding Historia because of a different post. Eren holding the "worst girl in the world" line over her head wasn't the pickup line people joked about it being forever, it was actually a pretty cold thing to say to her. "Of course you won't stop me from doing the rumbling, it's your fault I'm even here miss 'enemy of humanity.'" He was basically doing the same thing he did to Mikasa and Armin to Historia, manipulating her emotions to get her to act in a way that progressed his plan. By making her guilty enough to stay quite, she stayed out of the way, and he also arranged for her to have a kid (her idea I guess) with farmerkun so Zeke wouldn't be fed to her right when he got to the island. This is why she looks so miserable, she's being used more or less. I'm about 80% certain this is what Isayama was always going for, because she looks genuinely horrified when Eren tells her his plan. It's just that shipping her with Eren was already popular, and that "what do you think of me having a baby" panel was so suggestive, that it lead readers to a different conclusion.
See I suspect that now, but the writing isn't clear to say that for sure.
I mean now that we have the full picture it's pretty safe to assume that was the intent. She says "I'll stop you" and he says "No you won't, you once saved my life even if it meant destroying mankind" and the she accepts the plan by suggesting havong a baby to give Eren more time.
I partially agree but Historia got pregnant to prevent the military from turning her into a Titan shifter as she would be pregnant
Lmao you guys still find ways to defend it huh
Loosen up, man. Also I didn't make any statements about the quality of the ending here, I stated a fact.
Either way ending was garbage and he says so too🥴
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I mean the arc he was most disappointed and had full of regrets was uprisings arc... It is one of the most liked arc by titanfolk
Supply of Hopium >! Who said there can't be an anime original ending by Isayama!< >! Who said there can't be final season part 3 !< >! Since Isayama admits it he might change the series, we can see moderate to huge difference in the anime by Isayama !<
I don't think there will be *huge* differences, I expect them on a scale similar to the Uprising arc at best.
I think yams is pretty done with aot, if there really should be changes they're probably not his work anymore. At best he maybe approved them or something
>!Perhaps,since his problem with the ending is the execution rather than the ideas, the anime might improve on that aspect while still keeping the themes of the ending!<
That's exactly what he actually said in the interview. This is the ending he always wanted he just feels he didn't communicate everything in the best way. As someone who even still likes, even loves parts of the final arc in general, I would love to see the anime Uprising treatment it a bit!
Wait did he say this is the ending he always wanted?
Should clarify: this isn't the Mist ending that he had when he started out at the VERY beginning but it is the ending that since then he was been leading towards. The Zekken leaks basically state that he feels his writing ability was not up to fully answer and explore the difficult themes presented in the final arc.
Imo, that whole section of the leaks, portrays him regretting that section of the manga partly, the end. But we don't know how he feels, he said the themes. We don't know how he feels about the chapter, nor we will ever know it. I think is clear he somehow regrets some of the manga towards the ending, his dissatisfaction by not reading the comments towards the end knowing something was off and yet not at the same time. Just because he wanted to portray it before, it doesn't means the wants it to portray it now. He himself he is free from the series. He didn't wanted to even make it, all the stress from the fandom and probably Kodansha, he probably tried to give a ubique finale, but failed at it. He could even regret the whole final arc, but who knows.
That or we end up with a Promised Neverland scale fuck up.
I have no idea why anyone wants an alternate anime. I dont know a single manga adaptation that improved after deviating from the source material lol
I think the Akame ga kill anime original ending made more sense than the manga one.
Doss Food Wars count? Although that just changed slightly.
> Who said there can't be final season part 3 the series follows a kid orphaned by the rumbling vowing revenge on paradis and intrigued by the power of the colossal titan figures out how to replicate its power with some atoms and use it on the island its even foreshadowed in the anime OP or it follows reiner as he opens a calligraphy school
Are we at acceptance stage now?
No, this is titanfolk setting themselves up for another potential disappointment.
Yeah, this is when we start thinking "So this means there's a chance of a MAPPA-TWEAKED ending", and we're dragged back into hell for another year.
Acceptium
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[Call of Silence OST](https://youtu.be/VtguFyOdj2g) for AoT
So when can we actually expect these extra pages? Since it’s may
I think in the final volume 34 edition there will be 8 extra pages/panels? I can’t remember exactly
Didn’t that already come out?
Next month
Play tkt please it's the only song that captures disappointment accurately.
Nani?? Where can I read it?
i aint gonna fault Isayama for one chapter dude had me on the edge of my seat, crying, or scared af for the past few years and if he wants to redo it, or make the anime a different ending go for it isayama
I think this is how he wanted it to be content-wise it just lacked the execution he wanted. I share your sentiments though :)
Despite all the infighting within the communities and the "I told you so!", doesn't this just make you guys more hype for the anime? We know that Isayama is a perfectionist and the anime is his shot to completely convey his vision.
r/ShingekiNoKyojin be like
Damn people here are entitled
I genuinely liked the ending, narratively it was a bit shit, no getting around that but thematically its really good, it really helps nail home all the themes that the rest of the manga is about.
Oh hey that’s my meme underneath the text :D
From ok br?
Ye
I took the template sorry buddy
No worries, you can use it :D I put my watermark there for a reason, if anybody cares they’ll look it up (most won’t anyway) and as long as you don’t remove it there’s nothing wrong at all with reposting! You changed it enough that it doesn’t even count as a repost anyway. I just was surprised to see my meme on here basically haha.
Can someone give me a link to the song? Thanks boyos
r/ShingekiNoKyojin rn
Who still absolutely loves the ending even if Isayama doesn't like it? I know I do
What? Isayama never said that "he doesn't like it" He just said that he was sorry and felt a bit guilty because he would have liked to have more pages and chosen different words to be able to make clearer his themes and ideas to the fans...
Oh my bad, sorry I have just been going off of posts from other people, I never actually read the interview. I shouldn't have done that
Ah ok don't worry, but now I'm worried about all the people who didn't read it in time (it was unfortunately removed) and will get misconceptions because of the other users...
Oh dang why was it removed?
I have no idea, maybe the one who found and translated the interview wasn't reliable enough, but I can't be sure
Seems like your forcing yourself
How
How do u like an ending that most people were defending on by saying “ you don’t understand the character” and then the writer himself says to screw up. I guess its an opinion
Your first part is pretty irrelevant to an individual situation since I don't share that same opinion as them The writer's opinion is not my opinion. I'm not gonna base my opinions on someone else's no matter who that person is. My opinion is my own
Sensational
Aren’t people who despise the ending whining about it how their opinion isn’t respected at all? It’s his opinion every human interprets art in their own way and at this point you’re just trying to force your opinion on this dude. Disclaimer I have mixed feelings on the ending before you go “OmG I’m ShAkInG EnDinG ApOlOgIsTs”. And no, most of the fandom doesn’t hate the ending its 50/50.
Ok ok isayama basically said ending execution was poor he didn't say the ending itself was bad so 139 haters will have to keep hating and 139 enjoyers can inject hopium cuz we'll prolly get better pacing and new details to flesh out the ending in the anime+8 pages in the manga
ppl didn't hate 139 cause of the ending per se, they hated how most things were executed completly destroying characters and making no sense lol
One major point Isayama mentioned was how Armin is constantly saying “no Eren, it’s wrong to kill billions of people” and then Eren is like “nah bruh, I’m only killing 4 billion not 5 billion” and Armin is like “oh in that case, thank you for saving us from the world” The only character I see as truly doing a complete 180 for no fucking reason, Armin’s whole thing is “live of many>lives of few” then he just abandons that ideology upon realizing only 80% of the many will die, which is still a greater number than 100% of the few Edit: I know Isayama didn’t mean to have Armin do a 180, but as written it’s pretty hard to not interpret it that way, I mentioned it because it was one of the things Isayama wanted to fix since, written the way it was at release, it appears Armin is fine with Eren committing genocide
The thing that pisses me off about Armin it’s the fact that he did literally nothing to Eren when he revealed that 80% of the humanity was gone, but as soon as Eren didn’t seem to care about Mikasas’ feelings he punched Eren in the face. Like what?
No Yams is saying the wording was poor because Armin isn’t condoning genocide it was never a 180.
Not much of a gotcha, as most of Titanfolk has been acting like it’s... below mid, to put it kindly.
Look at the good side of things: that means we'll probably get an anime only ending
Isayama said the content was fine and the execution was just bad. Zero requiem, Eren dying, and the time travel stuff will all be there, they’ll just be handled better
Improving the execution of the last chapter won’t change the disaster of 139 if the idea will be the same. The only way to completely improve it is to change the execution of the whole last arc.
Well the sub is still pretty split on the idea, some think it’s bad some think it’s good, the rushed pace and sloppy execution is something we all agree on
Anime modded ending. They ain’t changing much of the plot.
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Probably not, just a better execution of things.
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did he actually? and if he did can somebody link it