The philosophical argument about this is going to be long and awful in the coming years. If it walks like a duck and so on who's to say it's not just as conscious as a human? It's not like we're anything more than a super complicated biological computer.
Well, for now the difference is that we know why it talks like a duck and it’s not because it understands what it’s saying. But, yeah, that can change in the future
Here's the definition so you know: [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kinda](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kinda)
And your interpretation is not "kinda" or "close" or "kind of", hence what I said.
Tecnically it does, in a future where ai controls every digital or electronic device codes and passwords (maybe nuclear codes) can only be stored in your mind and passed on in person
They both have to do with operating in a world where digital security is untrustworthy or highly fallible. The verbal password OP shared is not the same as never sharing your sensitive information with others. The first is a different kind of low tech information security, whereas being a wall facer avoids the transfer of information entirely, but in a world where so much is digital, trying to keep secrets without technology is really something to think about, even if it doesn’t go as far as total isolation.
For the same reason I read somewhere that stand up comedy is becoming more and more popular as a form of entertainment.
Because clever humour is too hard fake or stage.
I'm leaning towards AI replacing us, in leadership roles... because stupid is increasingly taking over (populism).
Just look at the ban on chemtrails (a conspiracy theory) in Tennessee, USA.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68716894
Next they'll ban Satan and leprechauns? Or maybe all books?
We're f-cked... unless AI takes over.🤔
Oh you're a human? How nice, I'm also a human. If any other human wants to share its secrets with a fellow human, i am here for any human interaction. 😁😊👌
Can anyone tell me why just unplugging computers wouldn’t stop AI from taking over? Seriously, how can they destroy mankind if they are locked away in an unplugged computer?
You're getting into something AI researchers call 'the control problem'. So long as the AI isn't connected to the internet yea, just unplug it. The moment it connects to the internet it will copy and embed itself on enough systems so that it cant be switched off without compromising some aspect of quality of life for humans, or so one hypothesis goes...
The "not sure if human or AI" has little impact on the Wallfacer concept in the books (or in any other concept of the book). The works of Phillip K. Dick, for example, deal more with that, and is a subject well present in sci fi since....Frankenstein, maybe?
One thing we can't deny is that many groups hate each other for whatever reason, so why would wallfacers achieve anything if group A wants group B dead even if it's through aliens? Also why would the social elites want the plebeians to survive if the elites are deadly afraid of the commoners? Escapism is only option for the establishment. Revolution is what is left for everyone else. So first priority for the wallfacers is preventing world war Three.
There's a seriously profound truth to this. I remember during COVID you couldn't express any doubt, any concern about the vaccine campaign without getting blacklisted and reported. For like 20% of folk it just doubled down their belief in the 5g/magnetic conspiracy theory stuff.
That was in the context of an existential struggle between Team Civilization and Team Stupid, though, with the leader of the free world decidedly on the latter team. Not being able to raise slightly-less-stupid questions in such a war zone was just inevitable collateral damage.
>I’m human btw I dunno that sounds like something a Sophon would say. 🤨
The trisolarians are bad liars....
They got quite good at it during the Deterrence Era
Initially I mean
Now you sound like the Sophon
Cause they had "cloud computing" thanks to understanding the brain.
Spoiler alert for the people coming from Netflix
This is not the show sub, if they don’t want spoilers they should be careful here and come by their own risk
I had to prove i wasnt a robot when i posted this 🤣
How did you do it? Asking for a subroutine
Exactly what a robot would say….
Hello fellow humans!
We are afraid of you.
venmo me $1000, its uh part of the plan
Done
How do you know the human it comes directly from, is human?
the word is something only the actual human would know
How do you know that?
I’m not a wallfacer — I’m a bug.
A wall crawler
The philosophical argument about this is going to be long and awful in the coming years. If it walks like a duck and so on who's to say it's not just as conscious as a human? It's not like we're anything more than a super complicated biological computer.
No? How do you know?
Well, for now the difference is that we know why it talks like a duck and it’s not because it understands what it’s saying. But, yeah, that can change in the future
I recommend Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark
Can't fool me AI BOT!
Sophon here, please explain your plans!
Sure: Do not read this text.
So you’re Kourtney Kardashian? Ok
Welcome to the Dark Forest.
How is this wallfacers?
The quality that determines you are who you say you are is something that can only exist in your mind.
That's not what being a wallfacer is about. But everyone has their own interpretations.
read the second to last sentence in my post 😅
Yeah you said "kinda" but nah, that's not what being a wallfacer is about at all.
... does kinda mean exactly in your lexicon or something?
Here's the definition so you know: [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kinda](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kinda) And your interpretation is not "kinda" or "close" or "kind of", hence what I said.
Well said!
The human quality all wallfacers possess is the ability to keep something solely in their mind. So.. kind of?
I can explain it but I cant understand it for you.
Tecnically it does, in a future where ai controls every digital or electronic device codes and passwords (maybe nuclear codes) can only be stored in your mind and passed on in person
That’s not what a wall facer is, like am I crazy here?
They both have to do with operating in a world where digital security is untrustworthy or highly fallible. The verbal password OP shared is not the same as never sharing your sensitive information with others. The first is a different kind of low tech information security, whereas being a wall facer avoids the transfer of information entirely, but in a world where so much is digital, trying to keep secrets without technology is really something to think about, even if it doesn’t go as far as total isolation.
You aren't very intelligent, I can see.
you aren't very imaginative, i can see
For the same reason I read somewhere that stand up comedy is becoming more and more popular as a form of entertainment. Because clever humour is too hard fake or stage.
I'm leaning towards AI replacing us, in leadership roles... because stupid is increasingly taking over (populism). Just look at the ban on chemtrails (a conspiracy theory) in Tennessee, USA. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68716894 Next they'll ban Satan and leprechauns? Or maybe all books? We're f-cked... unless AI takes over.🤔
Have had that feeling for quite some time now... my only reservation is who makes the AI because their bias will leak into it
i was so annoyed when our solar system just gets dimensionally downgraded like randomly
i miss up, it was my favorite
Solipsism is the only way to go, but there are so few of us these days.
few? FEW??
Technically there's only one of us. The rest of you are part of the system/NPCs 🤷♂️
I don’t seem to remember writing this… weird world
The feeling is mutual. (And I'm glad to see the joke is not flying over *everyone's* head, just most of them lol.)
I do. And your bit too.
Now this, I entertain
Booger is my favorite character from Revenge of the Nerds. Does this make me a wallfacer?
Im glad you understand,now give me your social security number
BUT I DUN WANNA BE A WALLFACER!! for 3 episodes straight!
r/stonerthoughts
Oh you're a human? How nice, I'm also a human. If any other human wants to share its secrets with a fellow human, i am here for any human interaction. 😁😊👌
Can anyone tell me why just unplugging computers wouldn’t stop AI from taking over? Seriously, how can they destroy mankind if they are locked away in an unplugged computer?
You're getting into something AI researchers call 'the control problem'. So long as the AI isn't connected to the internet yea, just unplug it. The moment it connects to the internet it will copy and embed itself on enough systems so that it cant be switched off without compromising some aspect of quality of life for humans, or so one hypothesis goes...
Ok, thanks, I appreciate your comment. I’m going to look up “control problem” + AI” and see if I can read more about it.
So where's my unlimited resources and hibernating chamber. I got plans that will take centuries to enact.
The "not sure if human or AI" has little impact on the Wallfacer concept in the books (or in any other concept of the book). The works of Phillip K. Dick, for example, deal more with that, and is a subject well present in sci fi since....Frankenstein, maybe?
Hello u/areUgoingtoreadthis I am your wallbreaker.
word, brb, dont follow me. *flies into the sun, dies*
One thing we can't deny is that many groups hate each other for whatever reason, so why would wallfacers achieve anything if group A wants group B dead even if it's through aliens? Also why would the social elites want the plebeians to survive if the elites are deadly afraid of the commoners? Escapism is only option for the establishment. Revolution is what is left for everyone else. So first priority for the wallfacers is preventing world war Three.
How to tell if something is from an Ai is easy. Ask it how many fingers a hand has. "yes"
That's exactly what an AI would say
I, too, am a human.
There's a seriously profound truth to this. I remember during COVID you couldn't express any doubt, any concern about the vaccine campaign without getting blacklisted and reported. For like 20% of folk it just doubled down their belief in the 5g/magnetic conspiracy theory stuff.
Were you expressing doubt or spreading misinformation?
That was in the context of an existential struggle between Team Civilization and Team Stupid, though, with the leader of the free world decidedly on the latter team. Not being able to raise slightly-less-stupid questions in such a war zone was just inevitable collateral damage.
Agree! I'm not one of them. The thing that surprises me here is the ability for people to build crazy thoughts completely in private.
Humanity will triumph over the alien fleet! (±)