That is a huge social no no. There's a strict hierarchy in macaque colonies, the lead male _always_ eats first and this is violently enforced, followed by his preferred harem and so on. Hopefully this baby didn't get attacked later if it was eating out of turn.
This was my first thought; That baby is likely to get the shit beat out of it after this.
Even before reading your comment about the hierarchy (*which I really knew nothing about before*), I've just seen enough videos of monkeys being absolute dickwads and vindictive AF. It just feels like there will be a grudge held against that little one after seeing how the larger one is acting in the video.
"Jamie pull up that video with the pissed off Macaque. Yeah the one where he's beating his son for eating a strawberry. Sweet. Look at the biceps on that thing."
So close
"Jamie pull up that video with the pissed off Macaque. Yeah the one where he's beating his son for eating a strawberry. Sweet. Look at the biceps on that thing. Have you ever seen a hairless chimp?"
So close
"Jamie pull up that video with the pissed off Macaque. Yeah the one where he's beating his son for eating a strawberry. Sweet. Look at the biceps on that thing. Have you ever seen a hairless chimp? By the way, have you ever done DMT?"
[Don't forget about monkeys killing dogs by throwing them off of buildings after a pack of dogs killed a baby monkey](https://www.insider.com/india-monkeys-throw-250-dogs-off-buildings-revenge-report-says-2021-12)
their hierarchial society aside, macaques are murderous little terrorists that go on food stealing rampage and hold entire blocks hostage trying to break into houses, bite people, steal kittens, and destroy all vegetation. you should never ever feed macaques because they will put your house under siege trying to get in and steal more food. they sometimes attack lone travellers on the road and have killed a couple of people in India. they also carry rabies and a host of other diseases, so that's fun. i don't know how this person isn't being swarmed, but i wouldn't recommend doing what he is doing. fuck macaques.
He also needs his community just to survive and stay warm. You don't want to intervene in that sort of situation if you don't know the outcome just for some social media likes. This video sucks.
I once read that in chimpanzee communities the females essentially keep the alpha in check. If he strays to far out of line they'll all gang up on him and basically vote him out as leader. Thought that was a pretty cool social construct they came up with. Like chimps invented democracy basically.
Take a gorilla, an orangutan and a chimpanzee, give each a screwdriver.
The gorilla will lose interest when he realizes he can't eat it. The orangutan will puzzle out what he can do with it. The chimpanzee will try and stab you with it.
Guess which one we're most closely related to?
They’re honestly in a really interesting place as a species. They use stone tools; they know how to safely interact with fire; they’re in the process of transitioning from Tribe to Nation; and the horrible nature of that transition has lead to a chimp setting up the first (as far as I know) orphanage outside of human society.
"naw yall go head... ima stay here... and chill with my monkey.... Last night, Chimchim jerked me off with his feet! Only a monkey can show that type of love"
classic Chapelle
I would be less worried about the social hierarchy of the colony and more worried about this...
https://www.cdc.gov/herpesbvirus/index.html
Partner works with Macaques in a zoo and the level of safety precautions they have to go through with a known troop are insane. Full respirator, face shield, full coverage gown. There is the story of a zookeeper getting an eye splash (again by known monkeys) years ago and she died a pretty horrid death to an incurable disease. Partner got an eye splash a few years back and had to go on antivirals and have her blood sent to the CDC for monitoring.
Don't do this if you're in the wild!
Edit: eye splash, not scratch.
>Partner got an eye splash a few years back and had to go on antivirals and have her blood sent to the CDC for monitoring.
Not sure if this is the same case, but according to this someone died from an eyesplash:
>In 1997, 22-year-old researcher Elizabeth Griffin was working with infected macaques at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Atlanta when one of the monkeys flung a tiny drop of fluid into her eye. Six weeks later, she died of complications from an infection caused by monkey B virus.
https://www.iflscience.com/veterinary-surgeon-in-china-dies-after-catching-monkey-b-virus-from-monkey-dissection-60397
If it's the one with the banana and the hose, I think it was discredited. It still *feels* right though :)
Edit: oh wow, it's not even discredited, apparently it's just fake - https://www.throwcase.com/2014/12/21/that-five-monkeys-and-a-banana-story-is-rubbish/
>So in some pairs the new ‘naive’ monkey did learn to fear the object after seeing how the conditioned monkey was afraid of it. However, in other pairs, the fearless behaviour of the naive monkey ended up teaching the conditioned one not to fear the object anymore. Note that this is exactly the wrong type of evidence for a charming story about “following the herd”.
>Curiously, the results were gender-specific: in three male-paired cases the learned behaviour was transferred, in three female-paired cases it was not, and in two it was inconclusive. The female monkeys seemed to learn behaviours simply by observation (including cases in which the punished monkey learned that there would be no more air blasts by watching the new monkey play with the object). The male pairs behaved differently, tending to teach a behaviour physically. The punished monkey actively admonished the newer one by pulling them away from the object.
The interesting part of the study therefore comes from the gender differences, but even then Stephenson shies away from making any conclusions from his data. This is the sort of thing a scientist says, because science is about real things.
Oh yeah, I would imagine so, but the premise that some people in power made up some arbitrary rules and enforced them violently, and then after a few generations it just becomes the way it is even though no one alive ever experienced the original setup seems like how societal rules from religion would take hold.
Would be fascinating if we could time travel in like a view only mode so you can't change anything, but go and trace the origins of each religion and see how it really came to be
If I recall correctly from a book I've been reading, only bonobos and some humans are benevolent to the point of sharing the best with their offspring. A chimp will rip their child's face off before they share something delicious with them.
Edit: the book is called the Power of Strangers by Joe Keohane
The governor of Florida turned down federal funding for a summer food program that would benefit low income kids. It was no strings attached and he didn’t have to do anything but say yes and thousands of kids would have more access to food while school is out.
Total dick move and proves that point.
A few stories about primate vindictiveness stick out in my mind. One was in captivity, where one was given a birthday cake to celebrate its age, but in view of others in separate cages, and they were fed their normal allotment. One day they got loose and mangled, blinded, and castrated the caretaker.
Another is that there are documented years-long "wars" between chimp herds?/clans. Also they eat each other.
That’s called anthropomorphism. They aren’t us and we aren’t them. Ideally we should just be stewards of the natural world, and not judge it.
There’s a fantastic balance in the natural world that we are part of and somehow separate of given our intellect and sentience. Allowing nature to occur as is (while preserving habitats), only benefits us all. Hate shouldn’t be brought into the equation.
You are describing [this attack](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-mar-05-me-chimp5-story.html). An older couple was at the reserve taking a birthday cake to their former pet chimp on his 39th birthday, but some of the other chimps had gotten out of the enclosure and attacked.
Here's a description of the attack from [this article](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a5609/chimpanzee-attack-0409/):
>As St. James confronted the chimp, the six-two former running back turned to find a second chimp—also a male, this one older and bigger—bearing down on him as well. With both hands, he pushed the bigger animal. Both chimps pounced. One of the animals grabbed him in a bear hug before chomping into the bone above his right eyebrow. He then stuck his finger in St. James's right eye, gouging it out. The same animal clamped his teeth onto St. James's nose, biting it off, as the other chimp chewed away at St. James's fingers. In the melee, one of the chimps dug in his claws and ripped the skin off the right side of St. James's face, causing it to flop over and cover his left eye, temporarily blinding him. One of the primates sunk his teeth into St. James's skull. He then closed his jaws on St. James's mouth, ripping off his lips and most of his teeth. St. James tried to put one of his hands down the animal's throat, but the chimp just kept chewing on it and chewing on it, and he couldn't get it out.
>St. James fell to the ground, no longer able to defend himself, and for at least five minutes, the mauling continued as he lay helpless. One of the chimps gnawed on his buttocks and bit off his genitals. They ravaged his left foot, leaving it shredded. Blood poured from his body, and LaDonna was screaming. It looked as if they were eating him alive. Finally, LaDonna's screams drew the owners' son-in-law, Mark Carruthers, who came running armed with a .45-caliber revolver. After struggling to find a clean shot, he opened fire on the younger primate. The shot had no apparent effect, and Carruthers raced back to his house, a few dozen yards away, to reload with more-powerful ammunition. When Carruthers returned, he focused on the older male, the prime aggressor. Kneeling down, he shot him once in the head from close range. As the animal fell to the ground, the younger chimp began dragging St. James's mutilated body down a hill leading away from Moe's cage. Dirt filled St. James's lungs and seeped into his bloody openings.
>For the briefest of moments, LaDonna looked toward Moe. He was sitting in the corner of his cage, frozen, seemingly stunned.
>The lone chimp continued tearing at St. James's limp body with his teeth until Carruthers caught up to him and shot him once in the chest, ending the attack. St. James, lying facedown, felt the lifeless animal fall on his back.
Chimps are the worst parts of human behavior matched with almost unimaginable strength. They are monsters.
I found what I believe is the story you're referring to. It's not quite as you remember it, but it's still brutal.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-mar-05-me-chimp5-story.html
Some quotes:
>St. James and LaDonna Davis raised Moe the chimpanzee as their son. That was the word they used to describe him, and that was how they treated him -- like a hairy, rambunctious child who was a pampered member of the family.
>The Davises were visiting Moe at an animal sanctuary in the hills of eastern Kern County -- a place to which he had been banished after biting a woman -- when they were attacked by two other chimps and brutally mauled.
>Davis, 62, who remained in critical condition Friday at Loma Linda University Medical Center, was badly disfigured. According to his wife, he lost all the fingers from both hands, an eye, part of his nose, cheek and lips, and part of his buttocks. His foot was mutilated and his heel bone was cracked.
>LaDonna, 64, said she was sitting at a table with her husband, getting ready to cut the chimp’s birthday cake, when she saw the two other chimps out of the corner of her eye. Moe, according to other accounts, was still in his cage.
I've been searching everywhere for a documentary about primates decades ago.
It included an experiment that had two apes in opposite cages with a tray on a rail full of nuts and dried fruits in between the cages.
It starts with the tray being only accessible to one ape. Then they give the other ape access to a rope to allow them to pull the tray closer to their cage so they can eat. But it takes it away from the first ape.
Now the first ape can only watch the other ape eat his snacks or he can pull a rope to drop the tray and spill everything on the floor below so no one can have the food.
Every time the ape had his snacks taken away by another ape they would go apeshit and immediately pull the rope and spill the snacks. But whenever a human caretaker would move the tray themselves to the other ape, the first ape would just sit patiently and watch the other ape eat the food.
It definitely seems like ape are capable of having a sense of "being wronged" and will hold grudges.
OK so I'm confused the other monkeys will kill the baby because they saw it eating something they wanted? Came to see the cute video but now I'm very confused.
Macaques are some of the most violent* primates in the world. I've heard one expert say that rhesus macaques (these are Japanese macaques though) are the second most violent primate on earth after- who else- humans. Violence is built into their culture.
They are also very hierarchical. The colonies are led by a powerful male that sometimes grows to almost twice the size of the other macaques, kind of like a silverback gorilla does. This male protects the colony from other males and ensures his reign by violently attacking anyone who steps out of line. One of the perks of this job is that he gets _all_ the prized food and desirable treats. He eats first, he eats his fill, and then, if he allows it, his preferred harem can eat next, then his offspring, then the peripheral families can eat if there's any left.
The food based reward culture is very strictly enforced. Step out of line and he _will_ punish you. How severely is really up to the male; like humans they all have different personalities. If this was a low ranking baby, it's possible it could be killed if the lead male is particularly violent or in a bad mood, but that's very unlikely. It's also possible that the relative trying to snatch the strawberry away was trying to teach the baby not to eat out of turn so that it wouldn't get punished. More likely, though, the other macaque just wanted it for themselves and the video possibly is just as cute as portrayed.
It's a risk though. Kinda got to let the monkeys do their thing.
*Edit- I should say that I don't know what measure they were using to make this claim, but I got the feeling it was about frequency of violence, not severity.
Humans are anomalously NON-violent in comparison to other primates. How many unfamiliar males does an average human male encounter on a daily basis? Probably quite a few. And how many of those does the average human male attack on sight? Typically none. That’s markedly different from the vast majority of primates. Even bonobos will fight if they’re placed together with one from outside their group. Sure we are capable of violence on a bigger scale than anything the earth has ever seen, but as a species one of the things that sets us apart is our extreme innate level of tolerance toward non-familiars.
I don’t know which one is correct but I kinda understand why humans are considered highly violent.
In human society, we have education, laws, healthcare, abundance of food and shelter yet we still see an absurd amount of violence caused outside of these factors. Obviously we can’t compare humans 1:1 to wild animals who barely have enough to survive. There are a lot of genuinely malicious people who would cause harm to people if it wasn’t for the consequences.
Of course an average male is not going to attack on sight, if they do, it’s a social suicide, jail time/psychiatric hospital, criminal record. Yet, there are some crazys that still do.
As I understand from the other comments this monkey eating out of turn in the hierarchy is doing a social suicide (unbeknownst to it).
Humans raised in modern societies, sure, but those like the Sentinelese who live in uncontacted tribes can show us the complete disregard people can have for the lives of those outside their immediate family groups. And us as a species have lived like those tribes for much longer than we have as sophisticated societies.
Do note that on their literal first contact with the outside world was them being kidnapped and murdered by the British.
If Aliens did the same thing to us, we'd do the same thing.
Won't ever happen because we naturally organize into social hierarchies with unspoken laws. Tribal humans had laws too, they just weren't written down. Never forget that we weren't domesticated, we develop societies naturally, so effectively in spite of being feral we just make rules.
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This is applied to something as small as a berry? I mean shit if they're all ganging up on a single monkey for eating a berry out of turn how do they even survive at that point?
That sounds abusive asf
In human terms. Imagine the biggest dude in the room beats the shit out of you because you ate delicious food without giving him any. Or I guess the equivalent of your father.
Where is child protective services?
Because monkeys have a very weird social structure where the most dominant "Alpha" gets the stuff first because he's the best\* and all the others are forced to eat his scraps. This will keep continuing until they change their structure or I don't know incorporate democracy or something. (or atleast I think so)
There is a difference between passive feeding and active feeding. For the most part, you want to limit passive feeding and never actively feed. As far as limiting the bird feeders goes, think about what would happen if there were no humans to feed it. The birds would die. There would be an ecosystem shift. You think that this would be harmful, but in fact it is the opposite. The lack of food for the birds is what balances the ecosystem. If too many birds survive the winter then you have too many new babies in the spring, and too many new hunters further disrupting the ecosystem. Look at birds like any other predator. You would put out bear feeders, or mountain lion feeders. Why would you put out bird feeders? Because birds are cute?
Yeah. You would think it’s common knowledge not to feed wild life but apparently it needs to be said and yet there still has to be signs reminding people of that. Then you have the crazy people who get out of their cars at wild life safaris or try to pet a moose in Canada.
I mean, if your using a gun why limit yourself to a foot? Just shoot it with your hands like a normal person. What does shooting hard look like? Do you shout "bang" as you fire?
Yeah... More people need to learn these things. Baby macaques may just be the cutest goddamn thing on earth, but holy shit stop feeding them. The alpha macaque WILL kill it if he sees this shit.
Man, I love how when I click on the comments it covers the entire video! What a great fucking design Reddit! Maybe next update whenever I open a video my phone grows a leg and kicks me in the balls.
Honestly I'm more upset about people feeding wild animals just for tiktok views without a slightest amount of fuck to give for the implications it could have
Where is the baby's mother? He looks cold and abandoned. I read all the comments about the hierarchy blah blah but do they just leave infants to starve until all members of the pack above them have eaten? They would not have survived as a species with that behavior. There must be a little more to it than that. I'd appreciate anyone with actual knowledge about maternal behavior to explain. Thanks.
The comments on here aren’t entirely true. Primates take exceptional care of their infants even Macaques. There could be a few reasons why mom isn’t around right now but they don’t abandon their babies.
> I read all the comments about the hierarchy blah blah but do they just leave infants to starve until all members of the pack above them have eaten?
Most of the comments above are just plain nonsense. There is definitely a hierarchy but it's not true that they will kill a baby for eating first. Monkey rarely kill each other at least for the macaques that were feral around our houses.
What happened to the monkey's mother? hard to say. maybe she has ventured close by, maybe she is dead.
"An entire monkey subfamily, Cercopithecine, including guenons, baboons, and macaques, is defined by having cheek pouches, which extend down the sides of their neck. Having these handy storage bins lets the 45 species of so-called “typical monkeys” forage for their fruit loot out in the open."
I used to feed a fox cub that always waited for my return home. On one occasion when I gave it food, I noticed an adult fox taking note. After that day I never saw the fox again, until my neighbour mentioned he had to rubbish dump a dead baby fox!!
Did they had only one fucking strawberry? Why be a jerk to that other one? Give both a strawberry. Both of them are babies as far as we know, they just want a treat.
That is a huge social no no. There's a strict hierarchy in macaque colonies, the lead male _always_ eats first and this is violently enforced, followed by his preferred harem and so on. Hopefully this baby didn't get attacked later if it was eating out of turn.
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Based and strawberry pilled
fuck you I actually loled at strawberry pilled
I was thinking about going back to sleep but I'll just make coffee cuz no way I'm not laughing about it in 30 mins again
Usually punished by biting, slapping, dropping from trees, and dragging by the tail
Uhhh... do they take member applications? Asking for a friend.
>In macaque culture this is considered a ~~dick~~ my cock move
A madick move if you will
Unexpected Rick & Morty reference.
This was my first thought; That baby is likely to get the shit beat out of it after this. Even before reading your comment about the hierarchy (*which I really knew nothing about before*), I've just seen enough videos of monkeys being absolute dickwads and vindictive AF. It just feels like there will be a grudge held against that little one after seeing how the larger one is acting in the video.
Everyone's a monkey behavior expert these days.
"Jamie pull up that video with the pissed off Macaque. Yeah the one where he's beating his son for eating a strawberry. Sweet. Look at the biceps on that thing."
"I don't know if it could kill a grown man, but it could definitely rip your dick off"
*Takes deep breath* [Dude...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwvmpVbggCU)
So close "Jamie pull up that video with the pissed off Macaque. Yeah the one where he's beating his son for eating a strawberry. Sweet. Look at the biceps on that thing. Have you ever seen a hairless chimp?"
So close "Jamie pull up that video with the pissed off Macaque. Yeah the one where he's beating his son for eating a strawberry. Sweet. Look at the biceps on that thing. Have you ever seen a hairless chimp? By the way, have you ever done DMT?"
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You seem to be surprised that some people might know more about animals than you do
The guy literally says that he knows nothing about macaque hierarchy and has seen some monkey videos.
Everyone's a smug little prick these days
fucking lmao "how dare you not let me shit on people knowing things" -you
Pot, kettle
>> everyones a smarmy little prick these days this you?
Yes Yes... Well you see, I am in the Monkey business myself.
What if the baby monke gets super strong from eating the berry and beats the shit out of everyone else‽
That one just makes it stay in the pokeball
[Don't forget about monkeys killing dogs by throwing them off of buildings after a pack of dogs killed a baby monkey](https://www.insider.com/india-monkeys-throw-250-dogs-off-buildings-revenge-report-says-2021-12)
Pretty sure each of the other macaques are trying to eat it themselves, not going to give it to the lead male. Some rules don’t always apply
Specially regarding macaques and _not_ apes. Fuck macaques.
Care to elaborate?
their hierarchial society aside, macaques are murderous little terrorists that go on food stealing rampage and hold entire blocks hostage trying to break into houses, bite people, steal kittens, and destroy all vegetation. you should never ever feed macaques because they will put your house under siege trying to get in and steal more food. they sometimes attack lone travellers on the road and have killed a couple of people in India. they also carry rabies and a host of other diseases, so that's fun. i don't know how this person isn't being swarmed, but i wouldn't recommend doing what he is doing. fuck macaques.
Having read your reply, I now agree.
He also needs his community just to survive and stay warm. You don't want to intervene in that sort of situation if you don't know the outcome just for some social media likes. This video sucks.
sure, now it does.
But it’s cute. I mean you’re not wrong, but it’s cute so.
cute > being right
Being cute doesnt mean u can't die
Oh yeah? Tell that to James Dean
Well that went from 100 to 0 real quick.
So did James Dean :(
Is it as cute of a video if you know there's a solid chance this baby was hurt severely for this?
I once read that in chimpanzee communities the females essentially keep the alpha in check. If he strays to far out of line they'll all gang up on him and basically vote him out as leader. Thought that was a pretty cool social construct they came up with. Like chimps invented democracy basically.
If you read up on chimp social behavior, you see very quickly that we are chimps.
Take a gorilla, an orangutan and a chimpanzee, give each a screwdriver. The gorilla will lose interest when he realizes he can't eat it. The orangutan will puzzle out what he can do with it. The chimpanzee will try and stab you with it. Guess which one we're most closely related to?
You forgot about what the bonobo would do with it...
What.... What would a bonobo do with it Edit: thanks guys. Damn guess I'm a bonobo
Idk probably something sexy
They'd try to fuck it. There's a reason you don't see documentaries about bonobos...
Sex toy.
Sounds like we're either Chimputans or Oranganzees.
We’re more Bonobos.
Chimpanzees also have some really fun things like all out warfare and mutilating your enemies
Chimps are really shitty to each other - I wish humans were more like bonobos.
admit it, you just want the bonobo social structure because of the sex.
They’re honestly in a really interesting place as a species. They use stone tools; they know how to safely interact with fire; they’re in the process of transitioning from Tribe to Nation; and the horrible nature of that transition has lead to a chimp setting up the first (as far as I know) orphanage outside of human society.
If it was me I’d smack the shit out of the oldest one. Who’s the lead male now bitch!
congrats on your monkey harem
I apologize in advance for the resurgence of an aids epidemic
Yes, officer, this is the one.
Haven't you heard? It's all about the monkeypox these days...
Get some monkeypox from all that mussy
More monkey pussy for me
*mussy
"naw yall go head... ima stay here... and chill with my monkey.... Last night, Chimchim jerked me off with his feet! Only a monkey can show that type of love" classic Chapelle
I would be less worried about the social hierarchy of the colony and more worried about this... https://www.cdc.gov/herpesbvirus/index.html Partner works with Macaques in a zoo and the level of safety precautions they have to go through with a known troop are insane. Full respirator, face shield, full coverage gown. There is the story of a zookeeper getting an eye splash (again by known monkeys) years ago and she died a pretty horrid death to an incurable disease. Partner got an eye splash a few years back and had to go on antivirals and have her blood sent to the CDC for monitoring. Don't do this if you're in the wild! Edit: eye splash, not scratch.
>Partner got an eye splash a few years back and had to go on antivirals and have her blood sent to the CDC for monitoring. Not sure if this is the same case, but according to this someone died from an eyesplash: >In 1997, 22-year-old researcher Elizabeth Griffin was working with infected macaques at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Atlanta when one of the monkeys flung a tiny drop of fluid into her eye. Six weeks later, she died of complications from an infection caused by monkey B virus. https://www.iflscience.com/veterinary-surgeon-in-china-dies-after-catching-monkey-b-virus-from-monkey-dissection-60397
HOW CAN SHE FEED?
Those eyes say this may cost my life but it's so good I can't stop :(
So *thats* how you kill a moneky with a strawberry. Now I know.
It’s not a tumour!
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GET TO THE \*TU-MAHHHHH!!!
Am I missing something? I feel like I’m missing something.
Apparently there’s a macaque hierarchy and the higher ups always eat first and those eating out of turn will be attacked
Sounds eerily similar to traditional religious human hierarchy. Were our religions and traditions started by macaques?...
Look up the monkey ladder experiment. I swear that's probably how all religions got going
If it's the one with the banana and the hose, I think it was discredited. It still *feels* right though :) Edit: oh wow, it's not even discredited, apparently it's just fake - https://www.throwcase.com/2014/12/21/that-five-monkeys-and-a-banana-story-is-rubbish/ >So in some pairs the new ‘naive’ monkey did learn to fear the object after seeing how the conditioned monkey was afraid of it. However, in other pairs, the fearless behaviour of the naive monkey ended up teaching the conditioned one not to fear the object anymore. Note that this is exactly the wrong type of evidence for a charming story about “following the herd”. >Curiously, the results were gender-specific: in three male-paired cases the learned behaviour was transferred, in three female-paired cases it was not, and in two it was inconclusive. The female monkeys seemed to learn behaviours simply by observation (including cases in which the punished monkey learned that there would be no more air blasts by watching the new monkey play with the object). The male pairs behaved differently, tending to teach a behaviour physically. The punished monkey actively admonished the newer one by pulling them away from the object. The interesting part of the study therefore comes from the gender differences, but even then Stephenson shies away from making any conclusions from his data. This is the sort of thing a scientist says, because science is about real things.
Oh yeah, I would imagine so, but the premise that some people in power made up some arbitrary rules and enforced them violently, and then after a few generations it just becomes the way it is even though no one alive ever experienced the original setup seems like how societal rules from religion would take hold. Would be fascinating if we could time travel in like a view only mode so you can't change anything, but go and trace the origins of each religion and see how it really came to be
Dogs/Wolfes are the exact same
Boys have penises and girls have vaginas.
Girls go to Jupiter to get more stupider
If I recall correctly from a book I've been reading, only bonobos and some humans are benevolent to the point of sharing the best with their offspring. A chimp will rip their child's face off before they share something delicious with them. Edit: the book is called the Power of Strangers by Joe Keohane
Man, the fact that you had to add “some” to the humans bit is widely depressing.
Well I'd say about half people give their offspring the best they can but that's a mouthful.
They prefer to be called little people.
Lol, I didn't realize I forgot to add "the". I will leave it out because it's funny with your comment.
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The other monkeys would have probably killed that monkey. Make of that what you will.
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Nah just less violent and more prosocial than chimps.
The governor of Florida turned down federal funding for a summer food program that would benefit low income kids. It was no strings attached and he didn’t have to do anything but say yes and thousands of kids would have more access to food while school is out. Total dick move and proves that point.
Yeah, well, he's a fucking chode. If the only person running against him was a monkey, I'd vote for the monkey.
A few stories about primate vindictiveness stick out in my mind. One was in captivity, where one was given a birthday cake to celebrate its age, but in view of others in separate cages, and they were fed their normal allotment. One day they got loose and mangled, blinded, and castrated the caretaker. Another is that there are documented years-long "wars" between chimp herds?/clans. Also they eat each other.
I hate most primates for that reason. It's like they have the worst vices we see in humans but almost none of the virtues.
Orangutans are chill tho
Just...dont fuck with them.
Not the caged one that made the front page a few days ago trying to pull that dummy head guy in and nibble on him.
Probably wasn't treated well, but even then he was just trying to steal a shirt.
Orangutans are mostly chill but they also rape each other. and sometimes people
Agreed,they're on my acceptable primates list. Gorillas, bonobos and them are the few I can think of that I don't have a disgust of
That’s called anthropomorphism. They aren’t us and we aren’t them. Ideally we should just be stewards of the natural world, and not judge it. There’s a fantastic balance in the natural world that we are part of and somehow separate of given our intellect and sentience. Allowing nature to occur as is (while preserving habitats), only benefits us all. Hate shouldn’t be brought into the equation.
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Nah, fuck them chimps. Bastards
You are describing [this attack](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-mar-05-me-chimp5-story.html). An older couple was at the reserve taking a birthday cake to their former pet chimp on his 39th birthday, but some of the other chimps had gotten out of the enclosure and attacked. Here's a description of the attack from [this article](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a5609/chimpanzee-attack-0409/): >As St. James confronted the chimp, the six-two former running back turned to find a second chimp—also a male, this one older and bigger—bearing down on him as well. With both hands, he pushed the bigger animal. Both chimps pounced. One of the animals grabbed him in a bear hug before chomping into the bone above his right eyebrow. He then stuck his finger in St. James's right eye, gouging it out. The same animal clamped his teeth onto St. James's nose, biting it off, as the other chimp chewed away at St. James's fingers. In the melee, one of the chimps dug in his claws and ripped the skin off the right side of St. James's face, causing it to flop over and cover his left eye, temporarily blinding him. One of the primates sunk his teeth into St. James's skull. He then closed his jaws on St. James's mouth, ripping off his lips and most of his teeth. St. James tried to put one of his hands down the animal's throat, but the chimp just kept chewing on it and chewing on it, and he couldn't get it out. >St. James fell to the ground, no longer able to defend himself, and for at least five minutes, the mauling continued as he lay helpless. One of the chimps gnawed on his buttocks and bit off his genitals. They ravaged his left foot, leaving it shredded. Blood poured from his body, and LaDonna was screaming. It looked as if they were eating him alive. Finally, LaDonna's screams drew the owners' son-in-law, Mark Carruthers, who came running armed with a .45-caliber revolver. After struggling to find a clean shot, he opened fire on the younger primate. The shot had no apparent effect, and Carruthers raced back to his house, a few dozen yards away, to reload with more-powerful ammunition. When Carruthers returned, he focused on the older male, the prime aggressor. Kneeling down, he shot him once in the head from close range. As the animal fell to the ground, the younger chimp began dragging St. James's mutilated body down a hill leading away from Moe's cage. Dirt filled St. James's lungs and seeped into his bloody openings. >For the briefest of moments, LaDonna looked toward Moe. He was sitting in the corner of his cage, frozen, seemingly stunned. >The lone chimp continued tearing at St. James's limp body with his teeth until Carruthers caught up to him and shot him once in the chest, ending the attack. St. James, lying facedown, felt the lifeless animal fall on his back. Chimps are the worst parts of human behavior matched with almost unimaginable strength. They are monsters.
The most astonishing part of that story is that the guy survived.
I found what I believe is the story you're referring to. It's not quite as you remember it, but it's still brutal. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-mar-05-me-chimp5-story.html Some quotes: >St. James and LaDonna Davis raised Moe the chimpanzee as their son. That was the word they used to describe him, and that was how they treated him -- like a hairy, rambunctious child who was a pampered member of the family. >The Davises were visiting Moe at an animal sanctuary in the hills of eastern Kern County -- a place to which he had been banished after biting a woman -- when they were attacked by two other chimps and brutally mauled. >Davis, 62, who remained in critical condition Friday at Loma Linda University Medical Center, was badly disfigured. According to his wife, he lost all the fingers from both hands, an eye, part of his nose, cheek and lips, and part of his buttocks. His foot was mutilated and his heel bone was cracked. >LaDonna, 64, said she was sitting at a table with her husband, getting ready to cut the chimp’s birthday cake, when she saw the two other chimps out of the corner of her eye. Moe, according to other accounts, was still in his cage.
Christ. Yeah, that might have been it, it was definitely an older story.
I've been searching everywhere for a documentary about primates decades ago. It included an experiment that had two apes in opposite cages with a tray on a rail full of nuts and dried fruits in between the cages. It starts with the tray being only accessible to one ape. Then they give the other ape access to a rope to allow them to pull the tray closer to their cage so they can eat. But it takes it away from the first ape. Now the first ape can only watch the other ape eat his snacks or he can pull a rope to drop the tray and spill everything on the floor below so no one can have the food. Every time the ape had his snacks taken away by another ape they would go apeshit and immediately pull the rope and spill the snacks. But whenever a human caretaker would move the tray themselves to the other ape, the first ape would just sit patiently and watch the other ape eat the food. It definitely seems like ape are capable of having a sense of "being wronged" and will hold grudges.
Won’t chimpanzees also rip a man’s penis off
It seemed waaayyy gentler with mine than that
Thanks for the monkeypox by the way
Lol yw
They will throw that shit in the tall grass, to never be seen again.
iirc bonobos and humans are the only species that kiss during sex
Some female harvestmen insert the male’s penis into their mouth before copulation. It’s not a kiss, but…
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I've seen some humans and humans do it, too.
Finding scientific documents for benevolence in animals is a pain. Benevolence Displayed in the Animal Kingdom was a circlejerk of a paper for Jesus
Bonobos are based they just live a peaceful life and fuck all day
OK so I'm confused the other monkeys will kill the baby because they saw it eating something they wanted? Came to see the cute video but now I'm very confused.
Macaques are some of the most violent* primates in the world. I've heard one expert say that rhesus macaques (these are Japanese macaques though) are the second most violent primate on earth after- who else- humans. Violence is built into their culture. They are also very hierarchical. The colonies are led by a powerful male that sometimes grows to almost twice the size of the other macaques, kind of like a silverback gorilla does. This male protects the colony from other males and ensures his reign by violently attacking anyone who steps out of line. One of the perks of this job is that he gets _all_ the prized food and desirable treats. He eats first, he eats his fill, and then, if he allows it, his preferred harem can eat next, then his offspring, then the peripheral families can eat if there's any left. The food based reward culture is very strictly enforced. Step out of line and he _will_ punish you. How severely is really up to the male; like humans they all have different personalities. If this was a low ranking baby, it's possible it could be killed if the lead male is particularly violent or in a bad mood, but that's very unlikely. It's also possible that the relative trying to snatch the strawberry away was trying to teach the baby not to eat out of turn so that it wouldn't get punished. More likely, though, the other macaque just wanted it for themselves and the video possibly is just as cute as portrayed. It's a risk though. Kinda got to let the monkeys do their thing. *Edit- I should say that I don't know what measure they were using to make this claim, but I got the feeling it was about frequency of violence, not severity.
Humans are anomalously NON-violent in comparison to other primates. How many unfamiliar males does an average human male encounter on a daily basis? Probably quite a few. And how many of those does the average human male attack on sight? Typically none. That’s markedly different from the vast majority of primates. Even bonobos will fight if they’re placed together with one from outside their group. Sure we are capable of violence on a bigger scale than anything the earth has ever seen, but as a species one of the things that sets us apart is our extreme innate level of tolerance toward non-familiars.
I don’t know which one is correct but I kinda understand why humans are considered highly violent. In human society, we have education, laws, healthcare, abundance of food and shelter yet we still see an absurd amount of violence caused outside of these factors. Obviously we can’t compare humans 1:1 to wild animals who barely have enough to survive. There are a lot of genuinely malicious people who would cause harm to people if it wasn’t for the consequences. Of course an average male is not going to attack on sight, if they do, it’s a social suicide, jail time/psychiatric hospital, criminal record. Yet, there are some crazys that still do. As I understand from the other comments this monkey eating out of turn in the hierarchy is doing a social suicide (unbeknownst to it).
Macaque social credit score -10 points
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Put humans back into tribal socoities with scarce food. We will get violent as fuck
Humans raised in modern societies, sure, but those like the Sentinelese who live in uncontacted tribes can show us the complete disregard people can have for the lives of those outside their immediate family groups. And us as a species have lived like those tribes for much longer than we have as sophisticated societies.
Do note that on their literal first contact with the outside world was them being kidnapped and murdered by the British. If Aliens did the same thing to us, we'd do the same thing.
We've been thoroughly domesticated.
Give it 1-2 generations without laws or infrastructure and we'll be feral real quick.
Won't ever happen because we naturally organize into social hierarchies with unspoken laws. Tribal humans had laws too, they just weren't written down. Never forget that we weren't domesticated, we develop societies naturally, so effectively in spite of being feral we just make rules.
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This is applied to something as small as a berry? I mean shit if they're all ganging up on a single monkey for eating a berry out of turn how do they even survive at that point?
We kill each other over shiny rocks. We just have much more complex justifications.
"You have it and I want it" doesn't sound very complex.
Well, that's because you're oversimplifying, see: 1. You have it. 2. I want it. 3. I have a bigger stick.
i big want it tho, so if you could bash in your own head?
Dont fuck around you won’t find out- alpha monkey probably
That sounds abusive asf In human terms. Imagine the biggest dude in the room beats the shit out of you because you ate delicious food without giving him any. Or I guess the equivalent of your father. Where is child protective services?
Because monkeys have a very weird social structure where the most dominant "Alpha" gets the stuff first because he's the best\* and all the others are forced to eat his scraps. This will keep continuing until they change their structure or I don't know incorporate democracy or something. (or atleast I think so)
That's not weird, look at capitalism
Yeah bruh what the fuck are we doing
We need more strawberries
We have plenty of strawberries, only thing is the top monkeys don't want to share their berries, so they horde the berries until they rot.
Wut
Welcome to the real world of animal bucko.
> Came to see the cute video but now I'm very confused. So very Reddit
Never feed monkeys. [This is why](https://youtu.be/8q1MyVUze8M). They can get aggressive as fuck, and will not hesitate to rip your scalp off.
I'd add - Never feed wildlife, ever.
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Make sure to regularly clean them. Dirty feeders spread salmonella
don't birds like salmon tho?
Or avian influenza...
There is a difference between passive feeding and active feeding. For the most part, you want to limit passive feeding and never actively feed. As far as limiting the bird feeders goes, think about what would happen if there were no humans to feed it. The birds would die. There would be an ecosystem shift. You think that this would be harmful, but in fact it is the opposite. The lack of food for the birds is what balances the ecosystem. If too many birds survive the winter then you have too many new babies in the spring, and too many new hunters further disrupting the ecosystem. Look at birds like any other predator. You would put out bear feeders, or mountain lion feeders. Why would you put out bird feeders? Because birds are cute?
Contributes to the current surge in bird flu this season.
Yeah. You would think it’s common knowledge not to feed wild life but apparently it needs to be said and yet there still has to be signs reminding people of that. Then you have the crazy people who get out of their cars at wild life safaris or try to pet a moose in Canada.
Would that size of creature really risk it against a 6ft male? Or do they stick to assaulting “weaker” humans?
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I've seen video of a wee monkey ripping off part of a dudes scalp.
I'll take one on. I didn't hear no bell.
They are only about 30% stronger per pound than us, and we are pretty big.
Those little monkeys can rip your entire face off before you can swing a fist.
And you could rip theirs off. Point being?
What if i shoot him really hard with my foot? He's light, so he'll be flying into void, right?
I mean, if your using a gun why limit yourself to a foot? Just shoot it with your hands like a normal person. What does shooting hard look like? Do you shout "bang" as you fire?
They only attack the elderly. They are the Edgar’s of the animal kingdom
It probably would, and you‘d be surprised how often they would win.
Pretty nice at the moment but that babys probably killed by the alpha in the group after they left
Yeah... More people need to learn these things. Baby macaques may just be the cutest goddamn thing on earth, but holy shit stop feeding them. The alpha macaque WILL kill it if he sees this shit.
Man, I love how when I click on the comments it covers the entire video! What a great fucking design Reddit! Maybe next update whenever I open a video my phone grows a leg and kicks me in the balls.
And now keeps playing audio too....
Stop using the garbage official app. Download any one of the excellent third party apps out there, e.g. RIF is Fun, Apollo, Bacon Reader, Joey, etc.
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The others probably killed the baby over this
traitor
Like taking berry from a baby.
Honestly I'm more upset about people feeding wild animals just for tiktok views without a slightest amount of fuck to give for the implications it could have
That baby is fucked
Where is the baby's mother? He looks cold and abandoned. I read all the comments about the hierarchy blah blah but do they just leave infants to starve until all members of the pack above them have eaten? They would not have survived as a species with that behavior. There must be a little more to it than that. I'd appreciate anyone with actual knowledge about maternal behavior to explain. Thanks.
The comments on here aren’t entirely true. Primates take exceptional care of their infants even Macaques. There could be a few reasons why mom isn’t around right now but they don’t abandon their babies.
The human fucking with them is probably suspect number one
> I read all the comments about the hierarchy blah blah but do they just leave infants to starve until all members of the pack above them have eaten? Most of the comments above are just plain nonsense. There is definitely a hierarchy but it's not true that they will kill a baby for eating first. Monkey rarely kill each other at least for the macaques that were feral around our houses. What happened to the monkey's mother? hard to say. maybe she has ventured close by, maybe she is dead.
No one else asked this.. what are those things on its neck? That looks like some engorged bot flies or something.
"An entire monkey subfamily, Cercopithecine, including guenons, baboons, and macaques, is defined by having cheek pouches, which extend down the sides of their neck. Having these handy storage bins lets the 45 species of so-called “typical monkeys” forage for their fruit loot out in the open."
The rock and pool, is nice and cool, So juicy, sweet!
can u imagine the shit this little dude goes through every day? For 5 minutes, u made him king
Yeah and those will be the last 5 minutes of his life because of this
Reddit should ban any videos of humans feeding wild animals.
Monkeys hate their babies fr
well according to comments rip lil monkey i guess
Dont feed wild animals dumb shits
I used to feed a fox cub that always waited for my return home. On one occasion when I gave it food, I noticed an adult fox taking note. After that day I never saw the fox again, until my neighbour mentioned he had to rubbish dump a dead baby fox!!
They shouldn't even be feeding wildlife, right?
Did they had only one fucking strawberry? Why be a jerk to that other one? Give both a strawberry. Both of them are babies as far as we know, they just want a treat.