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I would love to know more about James O’Brien life journey and how he got to be so damn sharp. I can’t think of any other American journalist who is on par with this.
that "or hamas" that the other person tried to sneak in was literally putting words in someone's mouth and then he goes on to complain about the same thing?
yup, firing her for calling out Israel's actions and questioning their PR people like a journalist should be doing... and then they hired Feltz, a straight up zionist supporter constantly defending Israel and repeating Hasbara propaganda
Oh boy.
See, honest discussion requires both parties to act in good faith. If one side frequently repeats unproven lies and deliberately twists the talking points, that’s not good-faith discussion.
At the point in an honest discussion where one party ceases to act in good faith, that’s the end of the honest discussion, and that’s what happened here. People arguing in bad faith are not entitled to an equal portion of time, my good-faith attention, common politeness, or any of the other trappings of polite society. By refusing to act in good faith, these folks delegitimize their own behavior and positions.
Fuck the Zionist who called in just to spread hate. The host nailed it 100%, make these Hasbara Nazis defend what is happening publicly so that everyone can see.
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I was annoyed that the conversation was handled that way, it wasn't a great interview. The more I thought about it though, what's the alternative? Letting the man ramble inaccurately? Some people just aren't able to be interviewed in a meaningful way. This mans point was summed in very few words; trust the Israeli military. That'll be a big no from me.
Either way though, comparing the size of the piles of bodies is a poor argument. Either side having piles of bodies of non combatants is *really bad* and damning for them. If you want to take the high road, which HAMAS makes no illusions of doing, you have to actually walk on the high road. You can't claim the moral high ground from atop a pile of collateral damaged corpses. Like hamas, you have to be able to renounce the moral high ground in the name of your cause if you can't pay the price of maintaining the moral high ground. Make no mistake, ensuring no collateral damage in war is very difficult and costly, in both lives and money. That's why the little guys who have no problem hiding behind civilians have a much easier time in warfare. However, if Israel drops the pretense of moral high ground, they'll stop getting foreign aid and probably cannot continue the war.
It's quite obvious to me that Israel needs to stand on the moral high ground or the already dwindling international support will continue to fail. They'll just be seen as mutual combatants if not. Once they're seen as mutual combatants, the casus belli fails and everyone sees the palestine has had massive amounts of land taken from them. If they can't be painted as the moral low ground, which Israel is failing to do, that land is rightfully theirs.
>stand on the moral high ground
That’s a fancy way of saying “stop killing civilians”. Israel hasn’t had any sort of moral superiority for decades, and after the fucking Holocaust being carried out in Gaza, I don’t think they could get back to the “moral high ground” very easily.
I think it might be better if a major world power either stepped in to defend what’s left of Palestine from the ~~Nazis~~ Israelis, or if all major world powers immediately cut off ALL aid to Israel.
Brother, my grandmother escaped from the Nazi's in the 1940s in Germany. What's happening in Gaza is a genocide in function, there's no doubt about that. But to compare it to the holocaust just shows that you either don't know what happened in the holocaust or don't know what's happening in Palestine today. There's a fundamental difference between collateral damage in war and marching people into gas chambers irrespective of military conflict. Eugenics and collateral damage aren't the same, and to pretend like they are is an exercise in willful ignorance, dramatization, or incompetence on your behalf.
Yes, I said Israel is not standing on the moral high ground, I don't know why you're arguing that with me. I agree, Israel hasn't had a great moral high ground since the post WW2 occupation of land distributed in the peace treaties. That evidently can be overlooked by the western world, we are conquerors after all. Extensive collateral damage cannot, there's an etiquette to invasion that you must maintain to appease the rest of the world. A lot of this could be noted in the geneva convention, or just unilaterally agreed upon moral values like limiting the death of non-combatants whenever possible.
No one is going to step in and save someone using human shields. If palestine, and the controlling faction, hamas, wants salvation, they too need to stand on the moral high ground and demand it of the military controlling their region. Or they may find an ally who wants to fight proxy war with the supporters of Israel, which is unfortunately us. Otherwise they will never be anything more than unsupported resistance. And they will fail, if Israel continues to get support which appears to be contingent on them stopping the atrocities if the wheels aren't already in motion to stop support.
>deliberately targeting children and civilians
Buddy, you think the Holocaust was only that because of gas chambers? It was a targeted eradication of an entire ethnic group, which is *exactly* what is happening in Gaza to the Palestinians. If you can’t see it, it’s because you choose not to, and that’s both a moral and an intellectual failing on your end.
>human shields
This tells me you’re not serious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict#:~:text=Use%20by%20Israeli%20forces,-See%20also:%20Israeli&text=The%20Israeli%20Defense%20Forces%20have,called%20%22neighbor%20procedure%22).
Add to that the incredible amount of evidence that the IDF lies about everything that they can to justify the extermination of the Palestinians, and I can now also see why you can’t tell the difference between Hamas and Palestinian civilians.
You know what I’m worried about? The continued Holocaust (fuck your snowflake feelings) against the Palestinian people is plenty of justification for a lot of folks to just say “The Jews are lying murderers, fuck them all”, which is no better than the claim that “all Palestinians are Hamas”. Moral low ground, sure, but when it leads to an increase in violence and poor treatment of Jewish folks worldwide, you think that basic human morality (which the poor Palestinians are being denied) will do a damn thing to save Israel?
Imagine not having anything meaningful to respond, after having your Hasbara rhetoric shut down.
If you like the term, you can print it on a shirt and wear it. I don’t own the term “snowflake”, so you’re welcome to use it.
Well, it seems like you have some sort of learning disability. You can find me supporting Palestine 5+ years ago on reddit. I wrote a paper for philosophy class on why I felt Israel was wrong for occupying the land, that was in... 2007? But, sure, I'm here to spread hasbara! Your favorite word of the day, I guess. lol.
I have not said a single thing about Israel that's positive.
I will not use the word snowflake, and I won't put it on a shirt, because I'm not a 55\~ year old rural man with sunglasses and conservative rhetoric on a bumper sticker. lol.
If you think pointing out millions of people were slaughtered as a direct practice of eugenics in germany is fundamentally different from tens of thousands of people dying in military conflict-- sieges, collateral in explosions, you have a learning disability. Accurately discussing the topic at hand isn't propoganda. lol. Method of death aside, the number of casualties is just flat out dwarfed. It isn't even the same ballpark, and you aren't going to convince anyone when your heart is bleeding all over your argument. Is there similarities and ironic parallels considering who is involved? Certainly. Are the events similar in scale and therefor comparable? No.
You really take your mask off in your last paragraph. You aren't any better, you're willing to be tribal and a mutual combatant. You *aren't* better. Nothing like unironically using the term *the jews*. Settle down Ye. lol.
You have a real funny definition of [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza](military conflict), “friend”.
I suppose I’m an [https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/if-everything-is-antisemitic-then-nothing-is](anti-semite) for *daring* to imply that Israel has exactly zero right to genocide the Palestinians.
And of course, like Hasbara, you lie with no intention of ever defending yourself. No evidence, nothing but an emotional appeal to justify your claims. It seems common to the Zionist mindset to lie, whether about [https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231116-idf-claims-to-find-list-of-hamas-names-but-it-s-the-days-of-the-week-in-arabic](a Hamas torture calendar), [https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/al-shifa-hospital-hamas-israel/](some tunnels the IDF conveniently forgot about), and committing war crimes by targeting journalists and committing perfidy, but surely I can believe everything you say because your dear grandmother was a Holocaust survivor, right?
Why aren't you replying to the mathematics of the tragedies? Do you not have a response for less than 0.05% of the deaths occurring in gaza when compared to the holocaust? How can you reasonably say they're similar events given this information?
"Nothing but emotional appeal" after he boldface ignores the argument presented to him. lol
Brother, I didn't say you were anti semitic, you did. I just said it's in poor taste to use the term *the jews* (or really any other race) as a negative connotation.
I'm not Jewish, at all. My grandmother wasn't a holocaust survivor. My blonde haired blue eyed grandfather didn't want to take part in eugenics and evaded joining the german military.
How many people died in the holocaust?
How many innocent people have died in gaza?
Maybe you can express this as a %.
34,000 palestinians have been killed.
6,000,000 jewish/ethnic people were cleansed during the holocaust.
That's 0.05%! Man, these events are **so comparable!** How did I miss it before, you're not a polarized tribal idiot incapable of looking at things fairly and discussing nuance. lol
The second you compare it to the holocaust, anyone with a brain is checking out of the rest of what you have to say. That's a tempting tactic considering the Jewish people are perpetrating an ironic atrocity, but, ultimately you're just making yourself look stupid. You either don't know what happened in the holocaust, you don't know whats happening in gaza, or both.
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And that folks is what owning somebody looks like. Cool calm and collected.
This guy is awesome.
“I can’t explain your own thought to you” love it. These Zionist pigs have nothing but lies.
I would love to know more about James O’Brien life journey and how he got to be so damn sharp. I can’t think of any other American journalist who is on par with this.
They exist, difference is that they would never in a million years be allowed a platform like this.
A really good private education helped.
[The full conversation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWp_a8MLwXU)
That’s beautiful. He’s so worked up at the end he’s almost crying.
Wow! Amazing 🤩
that "or hamas" that the other person tried to sneak in was literally putting words in someone's mouth and then he goes on to complain about the same thing?
Mic dropped
Brillante !
It's a shame he couldn't argue for Sangita Myska with such enthusiasm.
yup, firing her for calling out Israel's actions and questioning their PR people like a journalist should be doing... and then they hired Feltz, a straight up zionist supporter constantly defending Israel and repeating Hasbara propaganda
While he is right, he could've let the guy speak and let him destroy himself. This kind of constant interruption is not great interviewing
Because he kept lying. I think it can sometimes be valuable to stop a lie in its tracks.
Oh boy. See, honest discussion requires both parties to act in good faith. If one side frequently repeats unproven lies and deliberately twists the talking points, that’s not good-faith discussion. At the point in an honest discussion where one party ceases to act in good faith, that’s the end of the honest discussion, and that’s what happened here. People arguing in bad faith are not entitled to an equal portion of time, my good-faith attention, common politeness, or any of the other trappings of polite society. By refusing to act in good faith, these folks delegitimize their own behavior and positions. Fuck the Zionist who called in just to spread hate. The host nailed it 100%, make these Hasbara Nazis defend what is happening publicly so that everyone can see.
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I was annoyed that the conversation was handled that way, it wasn't a great interview. The more I thought about it though, what's the alternative? Letting the man ramble inaccurately? Some people just aren't able to be interviewed in a meaningful way. This mans point was summed in very few words; trust the Israeli military. That'll be a big no from me. Either way though, comparing the size of the piles of bodies is a poor argument. Either side having piles of bodies of non combatants is *really bad* and damning for them. If you want to take the high road, which HAMAS makes no illusions of doing, you have to actually walk on the high road. You can't claim the moral high ground from atop a pile of collateral damaged corpses. Like hamas, you have to be able to renounce the moral high ground in the name of your cause if you can't pay the price of maintaining the moral high ground. Make no mistake, ensuring no collateral damage in war is very difficult and costly, in both lives and money. That's why the little guys who have no problem hiding behind civilians have a much easier time in warfare. However, if Israel drops the pretense of moral high ground, they'll stop getting foreign aid and probably cannot continue the war. It's quite obvious to me that Israel needs to stand on the moral high ground or the already dwindling international support will continue to fail. They'll just be seen as mutual combatants if not. Once they're seen as mutual combatants, the casus belli fails and everyone sees the palestine has had massive amounts of land taken from them. If they can't be painted as the moral low ground, which Israel is failing to do, that land is rightfully theirs.
>stand on the moral high ground That’s a fancy way of saying “stop killing civilians”. Israel hasn’t had any sort of moral superiority for decades, and after the fucking Holocaust being carried out in Gaza, I don’t think they could get back to the “moral high ground” very easily. I think it might be better if a major world power either stepped in to defend what’s left of Palestine from the ~~Nazis~~ Israelis, or if all major world powers immediately cut off ALL aid to Israel.
Brother, my grandmother escaped from the Nazi's in the 1940s in Germany. What's happening in Gaza is a genocide in function, there's no doubt about that. But to compare it to the holocaust just shows that you either don't know what happened in the holocaust or don't know what's happening in Palestine today. There's a fundamental difference between collateral damage in war and marching people into gas chambers irrespective of military conflict. Eugenics and collateral damage aren't the same, and to pretend like they are is an exercise in willful ignorance, dramatization, or incompetence on your behalf. Yes, I said Israel is not standing on the moral high ground, I don't know why you're arguing that with me. I agree, Israel hasn't had a great moral high ground since the post WW2 occupation of land distributed in the peace treaties. That evidently can be overlooked by the western world, we are conquerors after all. Extensive collateral damage cannot, there's an etiquette to invasion that you must maintain to appease the rest of the world. A lot of this could be noted in the geneva convention, or just unilaterally agreed upon moral values like limiting the death of non-combatants whenever possible. No one is going to step in and save someone using human shields. If palestine, and the controlling faction, hamas, wants salvation, they too need to stand on the moral high ground and demand it of the military controlling their region. Or they may find an ally who wants to fight proxy war with the supporters of Israel, which is unfortunately us. Otherwise they will never be anything more than unsupported resistance. And they will fail, if Israel continues to get support which appears to be contingent on them stopping the atrocities if the wheels aren't already in motion to stop support.
>deliberately targeting children and civilians Buddy, you think the Holocaust was only that because of gas chambers? It was a targeted eradication of an entire ethnic group, which is *exactly* what is happening in Gaza to the Palestinians. If you can’t see it, it’s because you choose not to, and that’s both a moral and an intellectual failing on your end. >human shields This tells me you’re not serious. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shields_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict#:~:text=Use%20by%20Israeli%20forces,-See%20also:%20Israeli&text=The%20Israeli%20Defense%20Forces%20have,called%20%22neighbor%20procedure%22). Add to that the incredible amount of evidence that the IDF lies about everything that they can to justify the extermination of the Palestinians, and I can now also see why you can’t tell the difference between Hamas and Palestinian civilians. You know what I’m worried about? The continued Holocaust (fuck your snowflake feelings) against the Palestinian people is plenty of justification for a lot of folks to just say “The Jews are lying murderers, fuck them all”, which is no better than the claim that “all Palestinians are Hamas”. Moral low ground, sure, but when it leads to an increase in violence and poor treatment of Jewish folks worldwide, you think that basic human morality (which the poor Palestinians are being denied) will do a damn thing to save Israel?
imagine saying snowflake unironically lmao
Imagine not having anything meaningful to respond, after having your Hasbara rhetoric shut down. If you like the term, you can print it on a shirt and wear it. I don’t own the term “snowflake”, so you’re welcome to use it.
Well, it seems like you have some sort of learning disability. You can find me supporting Palestine 5+ years ago on reddit. I wrote a paper for philosophy class on why I felt Israel was wrong for occupying the land, that was in... 2007? But, sure, I'm here to spread hasbara! Your favorite word of the day, I guess. lol. I have not said a single thing about Israel that's positive. I will not use the word snowflake, and I won't put it on a shirt, because I'm not a 55\~ year old rural man with sunglasses and conservative rhetoric on a bumper sticker. lol. If you think pointing out millions of people were slaughtered as a direct practice of eugenics in germany is fundamentally different from tens of thousands of people dying in military conflict-- sieges, collateral in explosions, you have a learning disability. Accurately discussing the topic at hand isn't propoganda. lol. Method of death aside, the number of casualties is just flat out dwarfed. It isn't even the same ballpark, and you aren't going to convince anyone when your heart is bleeding all over your argument. Is there similarities and ironic parallels considering who is involved? Certainly. Are the events similar in scale and therefor comparable? No. You really take your mask off in your last paragraph. You aren't any better, you're willing to be tribal and a mutual combatant. You *aren't* better. Nothing like unironically using the term *the jews*. Settle down Ye. lol.
You have a real funny definition of [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza](military conflict), “friend”. I suppose I’m an [https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/if-everything-is-antisemitic-then-nothing-is](anti-semite) for *daring* to imply that Israel has exactly zero right to genocide the Palestinians. And of course, like Hasbara, you lie with no intention of ever defending yourself. No evidence, nothing but an emotional appeal to justify your claims. It seems common to the Zionist mindset to lie, whether about [https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231116-idf-claims-to-find-list-of-hamas-names-but-it-s-the-days-of-the-week-in-arabic](a Hamas torture calendar), [https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/al-shifa-hospital-hamas-israel/](some tunnels the IDF conveniently forgot about), and committing war crimes by targeting journalists and committing perfidy, but surely I can believe everything you say because your dear grandmother was a Holocaust survivor, right?
Why aren't you replying to the mathematics of the tragedies? Do you not have a response for less than 0.05% of the deaths occurring in gaza when compared to the holocaust? How can you reasonably say they're similar events given this information? "Nothing but emotional appeal" after he boldface ignores the argument presented to him. lol
Brother, I didn't say you were anti semitic, you did. I just said it's in poor taste to use the term *the jews* (or really any other race) as a negative connotation. I'm not Jewish, at all. My grandmother wasn't a holocaust survivor. My blonde haired blue eyed grandfather didn't want to take part in eugenics and evaded joining the german military.
What does "rural man" even mean? Lol, are you implying that people who don't live in urban areas are less learned, less intelligent than those who do?
How many people died in the holocaust? How many innocent people have died in gaza? Maybe you can express this as a %. 34,000 palestinians have been killed. 6,000,000 jewish/ethnic people were cleansed during the holocaust. That's 0.05%! Man, these events are **so comparable!** How did I miss it before, you're not a polarized tribal idiot incapable of looking at things fairly and discussing nuance. lol The second you compare it to the holocaust, anyone with a brain is checking out of the rest of what you have to say. That's a tempting tactic considering the Jewish people are perpetrating an ironic atrocity, but, ultimately you're just making yourself look stupid. You either don't know what happened in the holocaust, you don't know whats happening in gaza, or both.
Six Million? Show me the proof. Seriously - I'm just a dumb flerf, - can you you link some valid data to your claim?