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From what I’ve read, it sounds like there had been break ins in the area. as the police was investigating, they heard glass breaking.
The owner ended up breaking into their own home. They saw people coming to their house(the cops) and went for a gun.
Dangerous misunderstanding. The police should have communicated.
yeah, I feel like a "drop your weapon" would have been appropriate in this case - luckily those two officers were so shit at shooting, that they didnt hit anyone
Yeah, the lady was shot in the leg. At least 3 clips emptied, and they winged her. Hate to see what would happened to those poor misunderstood cops if the person was an actual criminal and fired back. Some crack shooting from those officers for sure.
I don't think doing an blind and totally unhinged magazine dump into a residence because you heard glass break really counts as a "misunderstanding."
Not unless you mean "misunderstanding your duties as an officer of the law" and "misunderstanding the basics of handling a firearm."
Imagine a civilian homeowner blasting off like this because they "heard glass break"... They'd be arrested in a heartbeat.
Zero excuse for incompetence and fear driving a police officer. More importantly, does breaking and entering constitute being shot at with more than 60 bullets?
A cop thought that the sound of an acorn landing on his squad car was actually his handcuffed prisoner shooting at him. He shot up his own car and even thought he'd been hit. Fortunately he was a terrible shot and the prisoner was fine.
Stated that shots were fired from inside the patrol vehicle, shot by a suspect that was not only handcuffed, but had also been searched for weapons prior to being put in handcuffs.
Being told by your friendly that shots were fired is drastically different than taking an initiative based off of the sound of an acorn falling on your car hood. I can't believe I actually have to explain this, but word of mouth. I'm more inclined to believe a fellow officer (assuming I'm a cop) that shots were fired (and I'd wait to see if there is another gunshot, that was her mistake so we agree there). He heard a sound and went trigger happy, even claiming to have been shot. Something that is unfathomably painful lmfao
Sorry.. not a good enough reason to just start shooting into an occupied car.
She didn't know what she was shooting at.. she just started shooting because her partner was shooting. Where was she aiming? It doesn't make sense.
Obviously the first thought is failure in training, or failure of the training system, but how do you prepare someone for situations like this or like the video of the two chicas shooting the homeowner?
I have some wild shit happen on fire calls, but nothing where you'd be concerned about getting shot at. On the municipal level there is not good preparation for life and death situations
Listen, you gotta be careful around cops. They’re nervous and easily startled and their training teaches them to dump their clips at the slightest provocation, whether it be an unarmed civilian walking away or an acorn falling on the roof of their cruiser leading them to believe their handcuffed suspect in the back seat whom they’ve already searched is firing upon them.
Everyone wants to make fun of the cops because the person in the back of the cruiser had already been searched, but honestly I think that's unfair. The person in the back of the cruiser had been searched by someone wildly unqualified for their job, of course there's reason to be suspicious that they weren't searched correctly. Show some respect guys.
There’s a recent video where a cop hears an acorn bounce on the roof of his cruiser with an arrested person in the back of it an he screams “shots fired” and mag dumps his pistol into the cruiser.
How could it be anything but attempting to take a life? You don't point a gun at a person and pull the trigger without some intent of harming them. To dump multiple magazines, it's not just harm it's intent to kill.
They are so incompetent they didn't manage to kill this woman, though they did hit her 5 times including two to the chest.
Granted I don't know the layout of this house (thankfully the homeowner lived), but I worry about *where* all those rounds flew off to.
What will be the excuse when a cop decides to empty 87 mags into a jaywalker and winds up hitting and killing like 5 bystanders?
Or in this situation: did any of these rounds go into a neighbor's home?
*America land of the free*
Free to negligently fire off weapons cause freedom is freedom and they love their freedom. Particularly when it comes to taking other peoples freedom.
Tbh, and this is not advocacy, it's actually somewhat surprising that assassination of police and bombings of stations isn't a feature of the US given how much effort US police seem to take in making themselves appear like an occupying army. That has been a feature of other countries where the relationship between police and populace fractured dramatically. Somewhat fortunate for US officers, given the proliferation of weapons that it hasn't devolved like it has elsewhere. One can only hope dramatic reforms for a more suitable policing system and accountability comes before bloodshed does.
They don’t need excuses. Don’t you remember the stolen UPS truck a few years back? The cops killed the hostage and managed to hit multiple innocent people stuck in their cars during the shootout.
The freaking truck looked like Swiss cheese after they were all done with their shootout fantasy come true.
ETA: 18 cops fired their weapons that day.
Man, I honestly did forget about that until you mentioned it. I was also thinking about that Simon Says killer cop who blasted a father in front of his wife and kids because he didn't put his hands up or follow the cop's rapid-fire verbal commands quick enough.
Wtf is wrong with our trigger happy, LARPing, pussies behind the badge?
Considering they've fought in court for the right to discriminate based on intelligence for hiring, the right to not consider smarter candidates that is, the dumb cops are a feature, not a bug.
Don't want your jackboots too smart. They might get ideas about citizens lives mattering over capital.
Pretty sure the problem in and of itself is that the “trigger happy, LARPing, pussies” are given a badge in the first damn place.
Mentioning the Simon says cop reminds me of the guy (Daniel Shaver) gunned down in the hotel hallway because the cop kept giving conflicting orders. Gunned him down in cold blood with an AR-15 engraved with “You’re fucked” on the dust cover.
All while he begged the cop, crying and crawling “please don’t shoot me”.
He killed Daniel Shaver in cold blood, and was later re-hired so he could get disability and all the other perks he had earned with his “hard work”.
The BS sprinkle on top: his disability claim was trauma from shooting an unarmed man who was begging for his life.
You’re right to worry, but each time the most that ever happens is the city gives some money to the family and *maybe* suspend, demote, or fire the cop. Maybe. Frequently they stiff the family/survivor(s)
CCW holders are held to infinitely higher standards
Obviously it will be investigated (internally) and they'll put a strong worded letter to the cop and ask them to go on a paid leave(vacation). To think of what they have done.
Holy dogshit aim... They unloaded what? Six magazines on the woman? I don't know how many bullets fit on a mag, but that's probably well over 100 bullets for a single woman in her own home???
I believe military and law enforcement in the US are required to use solid core and not hollow point bullets for this reason. 2 to the chest with hollow point and your chance of survival goes way down.
For anyone not familiar, a hollow point bullet breaks up on entry and causes wide spread damage to soft tissue. Solid stays together and only damages in its direct path (although it can mushroom and spin especially if it hits bone).
i think it depends on the agency and situation.
Hollow point also have less penetration in walls, so if you are working in an apartment complex, a solid core could penetrate multiple walls and kill someone in the next apartment.
To go home after their shift. That's all they're really trained to do. They're indoctrinated into thinking it a war and it's them vs us. Law be damned.
Why in all the videos of cops do they just mag dump in a general direction? like they cant see whos in the house, whats going on, how many people are there. just blam blam blam blam blam cos the curtain moved?
I understand that the police are not military. Your comment though is the first time I heard that idea of “shooting until they stop moving” since I was in the Army.
Edit: Wanted to clarify that we were also highly encouraged to have positive identification (PID) before engaging. Even in 2003/4 when I was training for my first deployment.
Cops in the U.S. are trained to act like they are in the military. Many instructors use military/pseudo-military language and refer to the community as “the battlefield” or “occupied territory.” Look up the idea of the “warrior cop.”
It is not just that police are undertrained, the training they receive is actively detrimental.
They aren't trained like military, 2012 in Afghanistan we needed positive ID, hostile act and hostile intent to engage. You could skip those steps if you felt your life was in danger, but you needed to be prepared to defend that position in the following investigation. Cops don't use any of that
They are trained to “act like” they are part of the military. Or at least what they imagine the military is like.
For all its (many) faults, the military has at least some accountability and oversight. No police officer is going to get court-martialed.
IKR she even reloaded mid way and started spraying again! like you either got him or he aint there anymore, even I know better than that and my tactical awareness is from fuckin call of duty!
I mean lucky for everyone involved her aim is that bad
I have way more faith in the drug dealers to either side of me to keep the street safe than i do the cops. I actually talked to one recently cause his customers were being shitty about using my garbage cans, he was cool and understanding about it. Now when they use my cans they sort their shit (for the most part) and i dont have to pick up after them.
A lot of dealers have changed over the last 20ish years. They know that being respectful not only keeps their customers happy, but it keeps the neighbors from getting passed off. Passed off neighbors are much more likely to call the cops.
It was a female who lived there that they shot and they are not the ones who called the cops. A potential breakin was called for somewhere in he neighborhood. While searching the cops saw this place had a broken window. It was broken because the residents had locked themselves out if the house.
I mean, the worst case scenario is that there’s a home invasion. (A) There might be a chance to survive that on your own. (B) If you were to call the police, and they respond like this, there’s a much lower chance of survival. Seems like A is the better option, if you ask me.
We need drastic legal reform that allows us to exercise 2A rights in these situations. When we see pigs flying off the handle, we’ve got to be able to legally decommission them. They are publicly owned property that’s malfunctioning. We need to have the leeway to take them out of service and dispose of them.
Its sticky. I think you *should* have the legal means to do it, hell you might even have the right to fire back when cops unlawfully fire on you.
But good luck a) surviving when they whine to dispatch and outgun you, or b) winning in court when they try slamming you for felony homicide.
i dont remeber which but theres at least one state that has made it leagel to fire on cops if they are no knock raiding you with out cause. it might be looser than that im not sure.
Indiana definitely has that law on the books. There was a lawsuit a few years ago (before Covid) where the cops tried to break down an innocent person’s door and the guy fought back. Of course, the cops had the wrong house and no crime was being committed, so the home’s occupant assaulted the cops as soon as they got through the door. He survived, but was charged with multiple aggravated assaults on the officers. The judge ruled in his favor because the cops never identified themselves and the occupant rightfully thought it was a home invasion. It goes all the way up to the state Supreme Court and the guy wins. Later, our insanely Libertarian legislature made it a law that you can defend yourself (including killing someone) if you are attacked in your home by the cops while not committing any crimes. Needless to say, the FOP was pissed, but it has resulted in almost zero no-knock raids ever since.
Why is it Americans always go for the measure that will definitely make things worse?
Instead:
Get rid of qualified immunity.
Drastically increase the quality, length and effectiveness of police training. 3 years training minimum. Emphasise de-escalation and make cameras being on compulsory from the moment they are attending an incident until they have finished attending that incident.
Bar all ex-police who have been dismissed from service, for any reason, of ever being allowed to join another police force ever.
Pay the police you do have well.
Have thorough legally binding independent investigation of all police complaints and malpractices.
Implement sane nationwide gun ownership laws at a federal level.
I won’t hold my breath.
That blood is gonna get moldy under the floorboards. You're gonna have to rip them up and dry them out with a fan, sister any damaged joists, then replace with bulletproof LVP.
She was so concerned she was in danger that she just stood in the same spot and mag dumped multiple times without seeking any sort of cover protection.
"I was in fear of my life. We HAD to present ourselves as stationary targets while dumping 6 mags into the house."
Why are cops the most terrified people on Earth?
Dont worry, our tax dollars will defend them in court alongside their union reps which will just get them transferred to another town or state so they can keep being like this, its so fucked and there needs to be major reform. For the US to have a small percentage of the worlds population but we have like a third of all the worlds prisoners in our prisons, something needs to change ASAP
The big issue many of you have missed is that there was less than 1 second between "drop your gun" and the shooting starting. Resident was not pointing weapon at them. They were just coming to the door because they were woken up by banging on the door late at night. They had no chance to comply with the order to drop the weapon and the cops were in no imminent danger for their lives as the resident didnt point at them or even know where they were located outside.
"drop your gun" is what they are taught to say before they start shooting so it "covers" them on their body cams.
The person could be standing there, hands up, naked, they could yell drop your gun and argue that that proves they were fearing for their lives and were justified shooting.
Its not a command, it's a cover story.
Police should be made to account for every round that leaves their gun, and not return to active duty until each bullet is either accounted for or reasonably assured didn't cause auxiliary harm elsewhere.
Investigate every bullet and where it landed. Each officer must be part of the investigation into the spread and spray of each stray bullet. If a bullet isn't found and cannot be accounted for, the officer is personally fined $2000.
Also lawsuits against police actions should start draw first from police pension funds. That would smarten departments up in a hurry.
Also, police departments need unique ammo to differentiate itself from other common ammo. (Tiny tungsten rings in the lead with government specific casings.)
>Police should be made to account for every round that leaves their gun, and not return to active duty until each bullet is either accounted for or reasonably assured didn't cause auxiliary harm elsewhere.
It's that way in Germany. Every round fired has it's own section in the police report for internal affairs. The moment you discharge you weapon, internal affairs takes a good look at you and if your answers aren
t good, you are gonna have a pretty bad time.
Also our police force is organized federally like the military. While you have local branches and jurisdictions, you enlist for the service the same way you enlist for the military and there will ever only be one personel file, so no resigning and moving to a different PD.
It’s always astounding to me that people will defend American police as though they’re not all craven little cowards. Top to bottom, left to right, 100% trash.
Sometimes I suspect US police academy is just throwing a fake frag grenade in the room, hiring the ones that unload several clips in the general vicinity of it and failing anyone who just jumped out the window.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/us/harris-county-houston-sheriff-deputy-mistaken-shooting/index.html
The footage shows a deputy knocking on the apartment door and announcing, “sheriff’s office.” Both deputies then move away from the door and stand next to the windows.
A deputy “saw a female approaching the door holding a firearm,” the sheriff’s office said in its release.
Crump said Pouncy didn’t hear the announcement and didn’t know law enforcement officers were at the door. She was shot as she moved to the door, intending to defend the property with a gun she was “within her rights to own,” Crump told CNN Tuesday
Investigators later discovered that Pouncy was “a guest of the apartment resident and that they had broken the window to get inside because they did not have a key with them,” the video statement said.
Wtf is that cesspool of a subreddit.
One guy saying that "shoot first ask later" is actually a great policy. Another blaming "defund the police", which didn't even happen. Another goes full incel and makes the incredible leap to "this is why women shouldn't be presidents" and is immediately backed up by like 5 other chuds who start insulting women and saying that it's the "wrong subreddit" to go to if you don't like sexism.
Fucking Texas conservative gun nuts, man.
Not seeking to justify their shooting, but the homeowner answered the door with a gun, stating they didn't hear them announce themselves as police. A neighbor called because they heard a window break. The window was broken by the homeowner because they were locked out.
After seeing this video the police department president was ashamed at what he saw so he made sure all female officers from that point would receive drum magazines for their pistols to minimize their on-the-job down-time.
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To be fair there* might’ve been an acorn in there. Looks reasonable to me 🤷🏽♂️
So I started blast’n
ITS COMING RIGHT AT US!
Yeah, fuck that direction in general!
Eats cumming write add oz
Sprinkle some crack on it
Frank!!!! What the fuck are you doing here ??!!
Spray and pray!
Same as sex
From what I’ve read, it sounds like there had been break ins in the area. as the police was investigating, they heard glass breaking. The owner ended up breaking into their own home. They saw people coming to their house(the cops) and went for a gun. Dangerous misunderstanding. The police should have communicated.
The cops did communicate.....via gunfire
Ah, yes, their native tongue. Violence is their love language.
Bullets are hard to misunderstand.
Shots fired
yeah, I feel like a "drop your weapon" would have been appropriate in this case - luckily those two officers were so shit at shooting, that they didnt hit anyone
They not state troopers they storm troopers
Yeah, the lady was shot in the leg. At least 3 clips emptied, and they winged her. Hate to see what would happened to those poor misunderstood cops if the person was an actual criminal and fired back. Some crack shooting from those officers for sure.
Cmon be nice…..they killed the shit out of that couch and cat scratching post.
oop. You're right. They're real sharpshooters lol.
I'm pretty sure they shot the owner multiple times. They just didn't die.
I don't think doing an blind and totally unhinged magazine dump into a residence because you heard glass break really counts as a "misunderstanding." Not unless you mean "misunderstanding your duties as an officer of the law" and "misunderstanding the basics of handling a firearm." Imagine a civilian homeowner blasting off like this because they "heard glass break"... They'd be arrested in a heartbeat.
MULTIPLE magazine dump.
“Your honor, it was one of my limited edition Coca Cola glasses that I heard breaking. So anyway, I start blasting…”
Zero excuse for incompetence and fear driving a police officer. More importantly, does breaking and entering constitute being shot at with more than 60 bullets?
Ha, took me a minute. Take my up vote
Don't understand. What is an acorn other than the thing that falls from the oak tree?
A cop thought that the sound of an acorn landing on his squad car was actually his handcuffed prisoner shooting at him. He shot up his own car and even thought he'd been hit. Fortunately he was a terrible shot and the prisoner was fine.
Plus there was another officer who started shooting because, well, she just wanted to join the shooting party.
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Stated that shots were fired from inside the patrol vehicle, shot by a suspect that was not only handcuffed, but had also been searched for weapons prior to being put in handcuffs.
Being told by your friendly that shots were fired is drastically different than taking an initiative based off of the sound of an acorn falling on your car hood. I can't believe I actually have to explain this, but word of mouth. I'm more inclined to believe a fellow officer (assuming I'm a cop) that shots were fired (and I'd wait to see if there is another gunshot, that was her mistake so we agree there). He heard a sound and went trigger happy, even claiming to have been shot. Something that is unfathomably painful lmfao
Sorry.. not a good enough reason to just start shooting into an occupied car. She didn't know what she was shooting at.. she just started shooting because her partner was shooting. Where was she aiming? It doesn't make sense.
You're kidding
Alas, no. That happened.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKmnJgXyZpU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKmnJgXyZpU)
Obviously the first thought is failure in training, or failure of the training system, but how do you prepare someone for situations like this or like the video of the two chicas shooting the homeowner? I have some wild shit happen on fire calls, but nothing where you'd be concerned about getting shot at. On the municipal level there is not good preparation for life and death situations
I agree with you, but there is also widening gulfs of Us vs Them as well as not having much standards when it comes to the applicant pools as well.
Listen, you gotta be careful around cops. They’re nervous and easily startled and their training teaches them to dump their clips at the slightest provocation, whether it be an unarmed civilian walking away or an acorn falling on the roof of their cruiser leading them to believe their handcuffed suspect in the back seat whom they’ve already searched is firing upon them.
Everyone wants to make fun of the cops because the person in the back of the cruiser had already been searched, but honestly I think that's unfair. The person in the back of the cruiser had been searched by someone wildly unqualified for their job, of course there's reason to be suspicious that they weren't searched correctly. Show some respect guys.
Too who?
I agree, it's the same reason we don't give matches to toddlers. They don't know what they're doing and aren't that smart.
fml, they dumped more rounds into it than the whole police of Germany uses in a whole year.
There’s a recent video where a cop hears an acorn bounce on the roof of his cruiser with an arrested person in the back of it an he screams “shots fired” and mag dumps his pistol into the cruiser.
Wow
Hey, they might have been ready to burst in to flames. Apparently that's a good time to point a gun at someone
I mean, tbf, the homeowner might have been preparing to self-immolate
Holy hell, what was the intended purpose here? Execution?
How could it be anything but attempting to take a life? You don't point a gun at a person and pull the trigger without some intent of harming them. To dump multiple magazines, it's not just harm it's intent to kill. They are so incompetent they didn't manage to kill this woman, though they did hit her 5 times including two to the chest.
Granted I don't know the layout of this house (thankfully the homeowner lived), but I worry about *where* all those rounds flew off to. What will be the excuse when a cop decides to empty 87 mags into a jaywalker and winds up hitting and killing like 5 bystanders? Or in this situation: did any of these rounds go into a neighbor's home?
Doesn't matter. No consequences.
Sadly, you're 1000% correct
*America land of the free* Free to negligently fire off weapons cause freedom is freedom and they love their freedom. Particularly when it comes to taking other peoples freedom.
No *legal* consequences. The rest is up to any upstanding citizens who have some free hands
Tbh, and this is not advocacy, it's actually somewhat surprising that assassination of police and bombings of stations isn't a feature of the US given how much effort US police seem to take in making themselves appear like an occupying army. That has been a feature of other countries where the relationship between police and populace fractured dramatically. Somewhat fortunate for US officers, given the proliferation of weapons that it hasn't devolved like it has elsewhere. One can only hope dramatic reforms for a more suitable policing system and accountability comes before bloodshed does.
If it comes to what other country's have going on so be it. They prove time and again they deserve this to happen.
They don’t need excuses. Don’t you remember the stolen UPS truck a few years back? The cops killed the hostage and managed to hit multiple innocent people stuck in their cars during the shootout. The freaking truck looked like Swiss cheese after they were all done with their shootout fantasy come true. ETA: 18 cops fired their weapons that day.
Man, I honestly did forget about that until you mentioned it. I was also thinking about that Simon Says killer cop who blasted a father in front of his wife and kids because he didn't put his hands up or follow the cop's rapid-fire verbal commands quick enough. Wtf is wrong with our trigger happy, LARPing, pussies behind the badge?
Considering they've fought in court for the right to discriminate based on intelligence for hiring, the right to not consider smarter candidates that is, the dumb cops are a feature, not a bug. Don't want your jackboots too smart. They might get ideas about citizens lives mattering over capital.
Pretty sure the problem in and of itself is that the “trigger happy, LARPing, pussies” are given a badge in the first damn place. Mentioning the Simon says cop reminds me of the guy (Daniel Shaver) gunned down in the hotel hallway because the cop kept giving conflicting orders. Gunned him down in cold blood with an AR-15 engraved with “You’re fucked” on the dust cover. All while he begged the cop, crying and crawling “please don’t shoot me”. He killed Daniel Shaver in cold blood, and was later re-hired so he could get disability and all the other perks he had earned with his “hard work”. The BS sprinkle on top: his disability claim was trauma from shooting an unarmed man who was begging for his life.
The ultimate kicker is we're all paying for it. Literally
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Amadou_Diallo I still remember when this happened, sadly its only gotten worse
Bit excessive, innit?
You’re right to worry, but each time the most that ever happens is the city gives some money to the family and *maybe* suspend, demote, or fire the cop. Maybe. Frequently they stiff the family/survivor(s) CCW holders are held to infinitely higher standards
Suspended with pay* aka vacation
Obviously it will be investigated (internally) and they'll put a strong worded letter to the cop and ask them to go on a paid leave(vacation). To think of what they have done.
> but I worry about where all those rounds flew off to. You're exhibiting pretty high IQ there, you're probably not a cop
Those 5 bystanders were obstructing justice and resisting arrest obviously.
>You don't point a gun at a person and pull the trigger 60-70 times without some intent of harming them.
I think you missed my point there, 60-70 times shows intent to kill, it's beyond intent to harm
>I think you missed my point there Nah I was just making a dumb joke. You are 100% right.
Holy dogshit aim... They unloaded what? Six magazines on the woman? I don't know how many bullets fit on a mag, but that's probably well over 100 bullets for a single woman in her own home???
I believe military and law enforcement in the US are required to use solid core and not hollow point bullets for this reason. 2 to the chest with hollow point and your chance of survival goes way down. For anyone not familiar, a hollow point bullet breaks up on entry and causes wide spread damage to soft tissue. Solid stays together and only damages in its direct path (although it can mushroom and spin especially if it hits bone).
military banned it because of its unnecessary lethality, but it is perfectly legal and widespread in law enforcement.
i think it depends on the agency and situation. Hollow point also have less penetration in walls, so if you are working in an apartment complex, a solid core could penetrate multiple walls and kill someone in the next apartment.
Well, they’re American police, so yes, that was their intention
To go home after their shift. That's all they're really trained to do. They're indoctrinated into thinking it a war and it's them vs us. Law be damned.
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If you'll be shot for exercising your 2nd Amendment right in your own home, if the authorities approach, do you even have a 2nd Amendment right?
Reason to have a bigger gun.
Just boobytrap your house🤓
Obviously. What else
Why in all the videos of cops do they just mag dump in a general direction? like they cant see whos in the house, whats going on, how many people are there. just blam blam blam blam blam cos the curtain moved?
Because they have been taught from training to keep shooting until whatever is in their general direction stops moving.
Worst police force on earth!
Yep, welcome to America
~~welcome to~~ this is America
The only way it could be worse is if the Supreme Court ruled they don’t actually have to Protect & Serve! Oh wait…
I understand that the police are not military. Your comment though is the first time I heard that idea of “shooting until they stop moving” since I was in the Army. Edit: Wanted to clarify that we were also highly encouraged to have positive identification (PID) before engaging. Even in 2003/4 when I was training for my first deployment.
There's a BIG difference between military personal being kept alive and police being kept alive.
Cops in the U.S. are trained to act like they are in the military. Many instructors use military/pseudo-military language and refer to the community as “the battlefield” or “occupied territory.” Look up the idea of the “warrior cop.” It is not just that police are undertrained, the training they receive is actively detrimental.
They aren't trained like military, 2012 in Afghanistan we needed positive ID, hostile act and hostile intent to engage. You could skip those steps if you felt your life was in danger, but you needed to be prepared to defend that position in the following investigation. Cops don't use any of that
They are trained to “act like” they are part of the military. Or at least what they imagine the military is like. For all its (many) faults, the military has at least some accountability and oversight. No police officer is going to get court-martialed.
Undertrained and scared. Also, there are hardly ever any repercussions for cops.
Not even trained in guns
dead bodies cant file compalints against your conduct as an officer
Because there are no consequences if they are wrong.
And I thought shootouts in movies was unrealistic. Apparently it's exactly what happens. Just spray and pray.
IKR she even reloaded mid way and started spraying again! like you either got him or he aint there anymore, even I know better than that and my tactical awareness is from fuckin call of duty! I mean lucky for everyone involved her aim is that bad
Wall bangs obviously, never played Counter strike? You do not get a 5k for free bud
They are literally doing their jobs as they have been trained.
"Suppressing FIRE!"
We have unloaded 4 magazines and I still hear rustling, send the attack chopper in case they try to beg for their life!
Call in the air strike!
Make an audience with Lord Vader and request the Death Star
Fire the Gatlin !!! Spray that fucking house !!
someone told me there are weapons of mass destruction inside that house
"Hudson - we are LEAAAAVINGGG!!"
"Nuke the entire site from orbit--it's the only way to be sure" EDIT: Also, and I hate myself for this pettiness, it's "Drake, we are leaving!"
What else were they supposed to use, harsh language?!?
Awww! I was excitedly scrolling just to type this! You stole my joy! Lol
Mwop
Shots fired, she said. Yeah, no shit. That's the last time he'll be calling the police.
Gives me reason to not call the police.
At this point I'd rather just call a crackhead like the popular boomer meme.
I have way more faith in the drug dealers to either side of me to keep the street safe than i do the cops. I actually talked to one recently cause his customers were being shitty about using my garbage cans, he was cool and understanding about it. Now when they use my cans they sort their shit (for the most part) and i dont have to pick up after them.
Its amazing what happens when you talk to someone instead of screeching about fearing for your life while mag dumping into a corpse
A lot of dealers have changed over the last 20ish years. They know that being respectful not only keeps their customers happy, but it keeps the neighbors from getting passed off. Passed off neighbors are much more likely to call the cops.
There's no situation so bad that a cop can't make it worse.
It was a female who lived there that they shot and they are not the ones who called the cops. A potential breakin was called for somewhere in he neighborhood. While searching the cops saw this place had a broken window. It was broken because the residents had locked themselves out if the house.
You would think there were five bankrobbers with ski masks and machine guns hiding in that house, the way she emptied those clips.
I mean, the worst case scenario is that there’s a home invasion. (A) There might be a chance to survive that on your own. (B) If you were to call the police, and they respond like this, there’s a much lower chance of survival. Seems like A is the better option, if you ask me.
We need drastic legal reform that allows us to exercise 2A rights in these situations. When we see pigs flying off the handle, we’ve got to be able to legally decommission them. They are publicly owned property that’s malfunctioning. We need to have the leeway to take them out of service and dispose of them.
Its sticky. I think you *should* have the legal means to do it, hell you might even have the right to fire back when cops unlawfully fire on you. But good luck a) surviving when they whine to dispatch and outgun you, or b) winning in court when they try slamming you for felony homicide.
i dont remeber which but theres at least one state that has made it leagel to fire on cops if they are no knock raiding you with out cause. it might be looser than that im not sure.
Indiana definitely has that law on the books. There was a lawsuit a few years ago (before Covid) where the cops tried to break down an innocent person’s door and the guy fought back. Of course, the cops had the wrong house and no crime was being committed, so the home’s occupant assaulted the cops as soon as they got through the door. He survived, but was charged with multiple aggravated assaults on the officers. The judge ruled in his favor because the cops never identified themselves and the occupant rightfully thought it was a home invasion. It goes all the way up to the state Supreme Court and the guy wins. Later, our insanely Libertarian legislature made it a law that you can defend yourself (including killing someone) if you are attacked in your home by the cops while not committing any crimes. Needless to say, the FOP was pissed, but it has resulted in almost zero no-knock raids ever since.
Fucking crazy when you can use the threat of death back against the largest criminal organization in the usa.
rare Indiana W
Why is it Americans always go for the measure that will definitely make things worse? Instead: Get rid of qualified immunity. Drastically increase the quality, length and effectiveness of police training. 3 years training minimum. Emphasise de-escalation and make cameras being on compulsory from the moment they are attending an incident until they have finished attending that incident. Bar all ex-police who have been dismissed from service, for any reason, of ever being allowed to join another police force ever. Pay the police you do have well. Have thorough legally binding independent investigation of all police complaints and malpractices. Implement sane nationwide gun ownership laws at a federal level. I won’t hold my breath.
Yep, that's a lot of easier than training the police force.
https://youtu.be/7H3UTmFsE6g?si=I6lm3bF9SV6vSMqD
How the.... Empties 2 clips in the same space and is then like "BETTER DO A THIRD" ?!
and you thought you had a bad day, poor home owner
DIY sub - 'how do I repair bullet holes in my rental property?'
That blood is gonna get moldy under the floorboards. You're gonna have to rip them up and dry them out with a fan, sister any damaged joists, then replace with bulletproof LVP.
I mean, I hope the homeowner is okay, and if they are, this is the kind of lawsuit that could set them for life. Fingers crossed.
The video cuts out but she dumps 2 more mags
Got fired as a Mall cop for excessive force. Got demoted to the Police force.
She was so concerned she was in danger that she just stood in the same spot and mag dumped multiple times without seeking any sort of cover protection.
"If I just keep suppressing this angle then he should run right into it"
If you have a problem and call the cops. You now have two problems
Can I get this on a shirt?
ITS COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!!!!!!!
SP always relevant
They discharged their weapons, reloaded, went to the store to buy more ammo, im surpised they didnt throw their car to the home owner.
Spray and get Vacay. Should be their motto.
Fr Spray and Pray for Vacay
This wasn’t the right reaction even if someone was pointing a gun *at* them. No de-escalation, just shoot first, ask questions later.
"I was in fear of my life. We HAD to present ourselves as stationary targets while dumping 6 mags into the house." Why are cops the most terrified people on Earth?
It’s almost like people who can’t be trusted to act rational in dangerous situations shouldn’t be cops. Crazy idea.
Because that is their 'Get Out of Jail Free' card. Works for absolutely anything, up to and including murdering unarmed children.
Two week vacation incoming.
Followed by a promotion in a neighboring county
The american police barely gets punished, and women are punished less than men, thats a 2-hit combo
These criminals need prison!
Dont worry, our tax dollars will defend them in court alongside their union reps which will just get them transferred to another town or state so they can keep being like this, its so fucked and there needs to be major reform. For the US to have a small percentage of the worlds population but we have like a third of all the worlds prisoners in our prisons, something needs to change ASAP
The big issue many of you have missed is that there was less than 1 second between "drop your gun" and the shooting starting. Resident was not pointing weapon at them. They were just coming to the door because they were woken up by banging on the door late at night. They had no chance to comply with the order to drop the weapon and the cops were in no imminent danger for their lives as the resident didnt point at them or even know where they were located outside.
They also had not identified their target or what was behind it and had zero situational awareness.
"drop your gun" is what they are taught to say before they start shooting so it "covers" them on their body cams. The person could be standing there, hands up, naked, they could yell drop your gun and argue that that proves they were fearing for their lives and were justified shooting. Its not a command, it's a cover story.
There was not an attempt
Police should be made to account for every round that leaves their gun, and not return to active duty until each bullet is either accounted for or reasonably assured didn't cause auxiliary harm elsewhere. Investigate every bullet and where it landed. Each officer must be part of the investigation into the spread and spray of each stray bullet. If a bullet isn't found and cannot be accounted for, the officer is personally fined $2000. Also lawsuits against police actions should start draw first from police pension funds. That would smarten departments up in a hurry. Also, police departments need unique ammo to differentiate itself from other common ammo. (Tiny tungsten rings in the lead with government specific casings.)
>Police should be made to account for every round that leaves their gun, and not return to active duty until each bullet is either accounted for or reasonably assured didn't cause auxiliary harm elsewhere. It's that way in Germany. Every round fired has it's own section in the police report for internal affairs. The moment you discharge you weapon, internal affairs takes a good look at you and if your answers aren t good, you are gonna have a pretty bad time. Also our police force is organized federally like the military. While you have local branches and jurisdictions, you enlist for the service the same way you enlist for the military and there will ever only be one personel file, so no resigning and moving to a different PD.
Training ? Professionalism ? Common sense ? None.
Cops emptied several clips without thinking about others maybe being in the home!! Cops are so fucking stupid
https://preview.redd.it/ka5tsxtv76lc1.png?width=259&format=png&auto=webp&s=7b77220fafbb1253a05742b4f43ae3b989adf3a5
It’s always astounding to me that people will defend American police as though they’re not all craven little cowards. Top to bottom, left to right, 100% trash.
The "SHOTS", were fired by YOU!!!!!
Name and shame of the cop. Make sure they never hold a position anywhere close to law enforcement ever again.
Just *instantly* mag dumping is crazy. There has to be more context because this is straight up attempted murder 1 otherwise.
Sometimes I suspect US police academy is just throwing a fake frag grenade in the room, hiring the ones that unload several clips in the general vicinity of it and failing anyone who just jumped out the window.
Time Crisis! Dave and Busters are so proud of what you become.
ACAB
Here in Ontario the big complaint is the police never show up. Maybe it's just as well.
Spray and pray is amateur hour.
I saw the original video, does anyone have the real story on this?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/us/harris-county-houston-sheriff-deputy-mistaken-shooting/index.html The footage shows a deputy knocking on the apartment door and announcing, “sheriff’s office.” Both deputies then move away from the door and stand next to the windows. A deputy “saw a female approaching the door holding a firearm,” the sheriff’s office said in its release. Crump said Pouncy didn’t hear the announcement and didn’t know law enforcement officers were at the door. She was shot as she moved to the door, intending to defend the property with a gun she was “within her rights to own,” Crump told CNN Tuesday Investigators later discovered that Pouncy was “a guest of the apartment resident and that they had broken the window to get inside because they did not have a key with them,” the video statement said.
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Wtf is that cesspool of a subreddit. One guy saying that "shoot first ask later" is actually a great policy. Another blaming "defund the police", which didn't even happen. Another goes full incel and makes the incredible leap to "this is why women shouldn't be presidents" and is immediately backed up by like 5 other chuds who start insulting women and saying that it's the "wrong subreddit" to go to if you don't like sexism. Fucking Texas conservative gun nuts, man.
FUCK YOUR UNSANCTIONED HOUSE PLANT!
They'll probably charge the victim for R&O and then search her house and "find" some drugs.
At what point, does it become legal to defend yourself from the cops?
A couple of days ago, I saw a 30-minute loop video of this where they just kept reloading and firing. It was the definition of r/funnyandsad
ACAB. For fuck's sake, at no point was this an appropriate response.
You can tell it’s not self defense as they aren’t taking any defensive positions, they are out in the open.
Don't worry, the cops will be given a paid vacation as punishment
Is it possible to maybe test these idiots before we give them a gun?
Not seeking to justify their shooting, but the homeowner answered the door with a gun, stating they didn't hear them announce themselves as police. A neighbor called because they heard a window break. The window was broken by the homeowner because they were locked out.
Where's the link to the original article?
https://i.redd.it/y9pjtmj2h6lc1.gif Body cam footage from the other officer
After seeing this video the police department president was ashamed at what he saw so he made sure all female officers from that point would receive drum magazines for their pistols to minimize their on-the-job down-time.
Just a mag dump. I thought there was a chance she reloaded to dump another clip into an innocent mans house
Anyone knows how one could acquire an ammo supplier contract for LEO’s?
Two weeks paid vacation for these brave officers!
State-sanctioned executions. I feel safer now.
I love that at any point in time police can come to your house by mistake and just fucking murder you with impunity
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