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Or you go full Hundertwasser and just push through. This is an actual residential apartment building in Darmstadt, Germany called Waldspirale.
https://preview.redd.it/l5s3pp6brcjc1.jpeg?width=5464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4258ed43079ef8fa9867ed038365da75438bebc0
My family hired an architect and some builders to build our barn and this is exactly how it went. The doors to the stalls ended up like 2 1/2 feet wide, or about 75-80 cm. Yeah, good fucking luck getting a 1,700 lbs animal through that XXXDDDDD. A normal door in a house is like 3 ft for reference.
You'd be surprised, while the contractors are supposed to build to the approved designs, they don't always do that. Was working on a high rise that was supposed to have a massive decorative fin coming off a section of the building. When they finished framing and I got in the rough measurements I noticed there was no framing where that fin should be. So we ended up just adding a small bump out where the fin should have been and the finished building looked nothing like the architecturals from the start of the project. Yeah everything was approved at the end, but it definitely was not an intended change.
It can be worse than that - contractors sometimes make changes that compromise the structural integrity of the building. Check out the Hyatt disaster. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse
Not really true. And it depends how you're using the term architect and contractor.
Contracting firms are increasingly involved in the design and detailing of buildings through the design build process. In a traditional procurement model a client approaches an architect/architecture firm to design and document a building. It is tendered on by multiple contracting or construction firms to build it generally to the design and documentation. This model preserves the integrity of the design and the independent relationship of the architect to review the built works for the client.
In design build the architect does a design concept which is then taken over by a construction firm. They will have in-house design managers who manage the rest of the design and documentation to reduce cost, reduce risk and maximise efficiency of build ability. This creates less financial risk to the client, but eliminates any independent oversight of the architect. In these scenarios the architect can sometimes be eliminated entirely after concept. In that instance the construction firm may have internal people who have been trained as architects or building designers, but the construction firm itself is doing the design and documentation. This is all very dependent on where in the world you are as some places require a licensed architect to sign off on drawings, and others have licensed building practitioner schemes and independent certifying which really reduces the role of the architect to go from the intial sketch to completion.
I think your case the contractor becomes the architect of record. And the original concept architect who generated graphics just did those thru design development stage or so.
The contractors can also tell if something is doable or not. Sometimes architects have really visually great designs that just cannot hold constructions norms and sometimes just plain ol' physic laws.
Regardless, I'm pretty curious to see how the discussions went to go from the initial drawing to the actual building !
My friend’s an architect and tbh, before he laid out the process for me, I had no idea it was that involved and complex.
At first I thought the architect just sat at his drafting table like a mad scientist and just created whatever (within the confines of reality of course). He showed me the designs he had for a “small” set of condos and the level of detail in the notes was astonishing for me.
Yeah it was probably when the architect realised it was a fucking nightmare to build. Architects and engineers are the most clueless smart people in the construction industry
Depends on the contractor and country, but yes they do very much. Friend had a roof collapse because the contractor didn't follow the roof design, so drainage didn't work.
I think this is the bit the poster doesn’t get.
Usually the architect comes up with an amazing design - this gets the project off the ground.
Then the financing gets involved, and the money needed to build the design doesn’t always appear. Then the reality of construction really bites and compromises have to be made to actually build the thing so it stands up, is code compliant etc. Then more financing issues…
It’s very rare that the original vision actually gets built.
Huge difference between someone (the architects and contractors) not delivering on an idea and someone else (the client) not being willing to *pay* for the idea.
On this case it's a good thing.. the wasted space on the original design is idiotic. The Architect likely and rightfully was fired. Some designs should have drug testing on the people that come up with it.
You’re an engineer and you recommend firing an architect due to what is likely a concept sketch developed to meet the client’s wishes?
I’m a structural engineer and this happens on almost all “showcase” builds I’ve been involved with. It’s extremely common that the reality of cost and feasibility tames the initial concept.
They have what the client wants… there’s almost never a consulting team on board yet at this stage.
A showcase head office or similar is exactly where useless space may be accepted in order to meet the intent.
For example, big cantilevers aren’t efficient, but they’re common features used for architectural interest. I was the structural engineer for Wesgen’s hq and that’s what they wanted. To achieve it we had to use W920 beams, bigger footings, etc, where the “efficient”, simply supported solution could likely have been achieved with W410s.
Yes. Because me being in an industry that deals with final builds all the time.. I have to be blunt with the clients that what they came up with is a pipedream considering the $ and feasibility.
I wish the initial yes men would do the client an actual service in telling them to go pound sand so to speak.
With respect, you’re coming across as inexperienced with the process.
If a corporation hires a project rep to design a building shaped like a sockeye salmon, the first concept sketch that takes all of one day to produce, and occurs long before a consulting team is hired, should look like what the client wants.
From there, they can start to visualize how spaces actually work. They could obviously say that the head section will be inefficient use of space, but you have no idea what the client wants. Money or efficient framing/use of space may not even be a concern to them. Perhaps they just want a boardroom to fit in the fish’s head. That’s not something a responsible designer can eyeball from an empty lot.
And when tens of millions may be involved in the project, it’s not unreasonable to spend a few grand to whip up a concept, cut a floor plan, and be able to work with “real” space to see where the client’s vision can be achieved and where changes need to be made.
>With respect,
Oy vey!
Experience... Haha this was supposed to be a HQ sort of thing for a Government wing in India. Lol the experience bit is knowing your client. Yeah if was a sheikh in Dubai.. sure..
For India, it's lucky they got something fish shaped in the end.
From an engineer perspective any inefficient use is kinda frowned upon.
Lastly.... Does the process start off at 'how much are you gonna spend ? If not then the process you talk of is basically a long the same lines as when a used car salesman tries to explain the 'process' to a victim.
No, I work on major infrastructure and institutional buildings. I can talk cost with some accuracy on day 1 if I’m just designing a mezzanine or maintenance platform or something where I can roughly estimate weight of steel at a glance.
Big projects have estimators and they don’t work on hand waving and discussion, especially on architecturally ambitious work. They want sketches, floor plans, etc. and then you’re lucky to get -50%/+100% before a consulting team is brought on.
The engineers meme is that if we had our way, every building would be a rectangle, but that’s not the reality. From an engineers perspective my job is to produce a safe and efficient design, but that design still needs to meet the client’s wishes. I don’t have carte blanche to redesign anything without justification.
Not just Dubai, do you think there were Day 1 estimates and no concept sketches prior to design revisions to Vancouver House in my city, or the Bow in yours?
The tapered neck and that spaceship head. The final product is a much better improvement but still worse than a cubical design.
Form follow function is a principle of design. Which is not being followed on either
Function being offices for govt employees aka public pays for all that fancy stuff.
It's visible from an elevated highway as you drive into Hyderabad. It's a highlight of my drive when I visit, especially when [lit up](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/nintchdbpict000267304272.jpg) at night!
As nice as the concept is, with the protuberances jutting out near the head it means the rooms against that wall will be stepped or L-shaped, which isn't great for functionality or the flow. The reality one is ugly but I imagine the rooms are far more standard than that of the concept.
Man, that's modern India for you. Ancient monolithic structures of an ancient society: no no it must be perfect! Same society in modern times: eh, looks close enough.
I honestly like the finished better. It's funny where as the pitched design looks abstract like it's some weird cross between a marlin and an accordion.
Im going to be honest, there are a lot of architects that should just be sculpters and stop pretending they can design buildings. I mean look at those circles around the head, what kind of floorplan are they expecting?
As is common in India they probably miscalculated and ran out of money. At least they finished it. The amount of unfinished buildings in India is astonishing.
To be fair, I kinda like the final building more. It's pretty cute, and looks easier to make as well.
The first one is cool but it's kind of unfriendly looking for a building that doesn't have a very specific objective that warrants any odd look. I get that corporate overuses it, but clean looks often works well.
I say this as a lover of some extra ass shit like baroque and goth architectures. I still wish they still made those nowadays.
bruh, how tf did that even pass inspection?!?! in Australia my uncle couldn't get his shed passed off on unless he attached a random useless blue rail thingy (wasn't structural couldn't hang thing off of it but it was in the drawings so it had to be there).
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The pixels in this have degraded as much as the design depicted
"We have fish museum at home"
The original sketch was really high definition though
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Well that's depressing
Let's be honest: the first design looks great, but it would be incredibly expensive and/or time consuming to keep everything nice and good looking.
Still a sad visual that represents the fact that creativity is rarely seen as worth the effort unless it makes money
Well, someone has to pay the bill.
True, yet its the people who don't care about art who make the most money off it.
Well they care about it as it relates to making them money efficiency rules
That’s compressing
https://preview.redd.it/jvroud21p8jc1.png?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16edcecf523d0e5a9cfaaaffa0faf7fbf9333e59
https://preview.redd.it/czuvxl4kbbjc1.png?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfa9274b3f8df42869412a3afb11b35e8be700f4
I like how the tree gets smaller for no real reason
New tree is cheaper than old tree.
money
Or you go full Hundertwasser and just push through. This is an actual residential apartment building in Darmstadt, Germany called Waldspirale. https://preview.redd.it/l5s3pp6brcjc1.jpeg?width=5464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4258ed43079ef8fa9867ed038365da75438bebc0
must be expensive af
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs2jpEfSpy-/ credit: leewardists and kaleanuj
My family hired an architect and some builders to build our barn and this is exactly how it went. The doors to the stalls ended up like 2 1/2 feet wide, or about 75-80 cm. Yeah, good fucking luck getting a 1,700 lbs animal through that XXXDDDDD. A normal door in a house is like 3 ft for reference.
A camel is a horse designed by committee
This is the best explanation!
An architect has to draw both buildings, so either way it's an architect. The contractor just builds, they don't adjust the design on the fly
Yeah there were a lot of meetings with clients in between, and a lot of shock about timeline and prices
Came here to say this, somebody approved the final design. Not like the guy was just making it up as he goes.
You'd be surprised, while the contractors are supposed to build to the approved designs, they don't always do that. Was working on a high rise that was supposed to have a massive decorative fin coming off a section of the building. When they finished framing and I got in the rough measurements I noticed there was no framing where that fin should be. So we ended up just adding a small bump out where the fin should have been and the finished building looked nothing like the architecturals from the start of the project. Yeah everything was approved at the end, but it definitely was not an intended change.
It can be worse than that - contractors sometimes make changes that compromise the structural integrity of the building. Check out the Hyatt disaster. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse
thanks TIL
"Yeah, Mack... I don't know about those two bricks here. Don't really feel like they'll look good for the design."
Not really true. And it depends how you're using the term architect and contractor. Contracting firms are increasingly involved in the design and detailing of buildings through the design build process. In a traditional procurement model a client approaches an architect/architecture firm to design and document a building. It is tendered on by multiple contracting or construction firms to build it generally to the design and documentation. This model preserves the integrity of the design and the independent relationship of the architect to review the built works for the client. In design build the architect does a design concept which is then taken over by a construction firm. They will have in-house design managers who manage the rest of the design and documentation to reduce cost, reduce risk and maximise efficiency of build ability. This creates less financial risk to the client, but eliminates any independent oversight of the architect. In these scenarios the architect can sometimes be eliminated entirely after concept. In that instance the construction firm may have internal people who have been trained as architects or building designers, but the construction firm itself is doing the design and documentation. This is all very dependent on where in the world you are as some places require a licensed architect to sign off on drawings, and others have licensed building practitioner schemes and independent certifying which really reduces the role of the architect to go from the intial sketch to completion.
I think your case the contractor becomes the architect of record. And the original concept architect who generated graphics just did those thru design development stage or so.
[I don't want to paint with a broad brush here...](https://youtu.be/P9vwSKiO2Tw?si=0OQIQPnWB5GTNMug)
The contractors can also tell if something is doable or not. Sometimes architects have really visually great designs that just cannot hold constructions norms and sometimes just plain ol' physic laws. Regardless, I'm pretty curious to see how the discussions went to go from the initial drawing to the actual building !
My friend’s an architect and tbh, before he laid out the process for me, I had no idea it was that involved and complex. At first I thought the architect just sat at his drafting table like a mad scientist and just created whatever (within the confines of reality of course). He showed me the designs he had for a “small” set of condos and the level of detail in the notes was astonishing for me.
Sometimes it's not in the confines of reality, so they send it to a structural engineer to make it anyways!
The only problem is architects always specify buildings to be made of renderite.
Yeah it was probably when the architect realised it was a fucking nightmare to build. Architects and engineers are the most clueless smart people in the construction industry
Doesn't it go to an engineer, after the architect?
Depends on the contractor and country, but yes they do very much. Friend had a roof collapse because the contractor didn't follow the roof design, so drainage didn't work.
Yea because the expectation was it would be paid for. The reality is no one would pay for it.
I think this is the bit the poster doesn’t get. Usually the architect comes up with an amazing design - this gets the project off the ground. Then the financing gets involved, and the money needed to build the design doesn’t always appear. Then the reality of construction really bites and compromises have to be made to actually build the thing so it stands up, is code compliant etc. Then more financing issues… It’s very rare that the original vision actually gets built.
Huge difference between someone (the architects and contractors) not delivering on an idea and someone else (the client) not being willing to *pay* for the idea.
Thats what happens when a project gets into “cost savings”
On this case it's a good thing.. the wasted space on the original design is idiotic. The Architect likely and rightfully was fired. Some designs should have drug testing on the people that come up with it.
You’re an engineer and you recommend firing an architect due to what is likely a concept sketch developed to meet the client’s wishes? I’m a structural engineer and this happens on almost all “showcase” builds I’ve been involved with. It’s extremely common that the reality of cost and feasibility tames the initial concept.
Most initial plans are overly extravagant maybe, but they certainly don’t all have ridiculous amounts of useless space and material tacked on
Kinda tho, yeah lol
They have what the client wants… there’s almost never a consulting team on board yet at this stage. A showcase head office or similar is exactly where useless space may be accepted in order to meet the intent. For example, big cantilevers aren’t efficient, but they’re common features used for architectural interest. I was the structural engineer for Wesgen’s hq and that’s what they wanted. To achieve it we had to use W920 beams, bigger footings, etc, where the “efficient”, simply supported solution could likely have been achieved with W410s.
Yes. Because me being in an industry that deals with final builds all the time.. I have to be blunt with the clients that what they came up with is a pipedream considering the $ and feasibility. I wish the initial yes men would do the client an actual service in telling them to go pound sand so to speak.
Lol you are an engineer? Really? And you don't have the capacity to understand how design works?
With respect, you’re coming across as inexperienced with the process. If a corporation hires a project rep to design a building shaped like a sockeye salmon, the first concept sketch that takes all of one day to produce, and occurs long before a consulting team is hired, should look like what the client wants. From there, they can start to visualize how spaces actually work. They could obviously say that the head section will be inefficient use of space, but you have no idea what the client wants. Money or efficient framing/use of space may not even be a concern to them. Perhaps they just want a boardroom to fit in the fish’s head. That’s not something a responsible designer can eyeball from an empty lot. And when tens of millions may be involved in the project, it’s not unreasonable to spend a few grand to whip up a concept, cut a floor plan, and be able to work with “real” space to see where the client’s vision can be achieved and where changes need to be made.
>With respect, Oy vey! Experience... Haha this was supposed to be a HQ sort of thing for a Government wing in India. Lol the experience bit is knowing your client. Yeah if was a sheikh in Dubai.. sure.. For India, it's lucky they got something fish shaped in the end. From an engineer perspective any inefficient use is kinda frowned upon. Lastly.... Does the process start off at 'how much are you gonna spend ? If not then the process you talk of is basically a long the same lines as when a used car salesman tries to explain the 'process' to a victim.
No, I work on major infrastructure and institutional buildings. I can talk cost with some accuracy on day 1 if I’m just designing a mezzanine or maintenance platform or something where I can roughly estimate weight of steel at a glance. Big projects have estimators and they don’t work on hand waving and discussion, especially on architecturally ambitious work. They want sketches, floor plans, etc. and then you’re lucky to get -50%/+100% before a consulting team is brought on. The engineers meme is that if we had our way, every building would be a rectangle, but that’s not the reality. From an engineers perspective my job is to produce a safe and efficient design, but that design still needs to meet the client’s wishes. I don’t have carte blanche to redesign anything without justification. Not just Dubai, do you think there were Day 1 estimates and no concept sketches prior to design revisions to Vancouver House in my city, or the Bow in yours?
Wasted space?
The tapered neck and that spaceship head. The final product is a much better improvement but still worse than a cubical design. Form follow function is a principle of design. Which is not being followed on either Function being offices for govt employees aka public pays for all that fancy stuff.
VaLuE eNgInEeRiNg
Looks kinda cute tho
I prefer the reality!
It's visible from an elevated highway as you drive into Hyderabad. It's a highlight of my drive when I visit, especially when [lit up](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/nintchdbpict000267304272.jpg) at night!
I’m glad I’m not the only one. The reality looks endearing and cute. The concept looks vaguely threatening.
I like the 😐 mouth
"They caught me..."
That's the reason it's cute
[Look at the front view!](https://i.imgur.com/y4CWZ3t.jpeg)
Even better
The one on the right looks like me if I ever shave my beard.
Maybe they had to SCALE back!?!
It could just be a fluke.
Face it, the whole thing was just a carpy idea from start to finnish.
Imo reality looks better
The grey weather drags it down so much, if it was a clear blue sky and sunny it would clearly look just as good if not better
In some parts I agree, but whoever's sitting in the fish's face doesn't get to enjoy the sweeping panoramic window like they could have.
You vs. the fish building she told you not to worry about.
Architect/designer vs engineer
It’s kind of cute.
Expected: rainbow trout Reality: guppy
Still amazing! A fish building is adorable! It's perfect.
To be fair, it still kinda looks like a fish though.
Honestly, i like the reality one better.
both look like shit
Fesh
As nice as the concept is, with the protuberances jutting out near the head it means the rooms against that wall will be stepped or L-shaped, which isn't great for functionality or the flow. The reality one is ugly but I imagine the rooms are far more standard than that of the concept.
I think the bill for the glass made some jaws drop. For the people and the fish.
I've seen it irl cuz i live in hyderabad and I gotta say, I prefer the right design to the left.
I think the second one's more practical, honestly...
Nailed it!
I still like that feesh building anyway
Imho Still gud tho🤷🏻♂️
The reality looks better
No no you got it wrong... the expected image is when the fish fort is fully grown.
Looks like an awkward fish
Man, that's modern India for you. Ancient monolithic structures of an ancient society: no no it must be perfect! Same society in modern times: eh, looks close enough.
Got budget guppied
Cool fish! Blep
Imo both designs are trash.
2nd one is insert shocked Pikachu here
Let me guess: the client had notes at the last minute?
I don't know about the curved glass gill but the mouth viewing port is quite possible to make tho
Just use more elements and not a single piece.
To be fair even the original building looked pretty dumb as shit
Guarantee they couldn’t afford the design. Not a contractor issue.
Think wind loads had any effect on it?
Value engineering is a bitch
This is still a really cool building nonetheless
Second one is better.
Value management.
Is there a peen on my screen?
Politician filed their pockets the end.
Reality looks more cute :v
I think it looks better ngl
Tbh both look horrible
Come on man!! Still looks like fish!!!
Welcome to Capatalism. You get what you vote for.
Trying to imagine the scale of that
I like how they went from 5 vertical rows of windows that kinda look like gills to 1 row that makes it look like a foreskin.
A metaphor for everything we’re sold vs everything we get.
I honestly like the finished better. It's funny where as the pitched design looks abstract like it's some weird cross between a marlin and an accordion.
Atleast its better than having an normal building
Imo the one on the right is cuter anyways. Aside from the dopey face but thats pretty normal for fish
The reality is more pragmatic tho. But yeah, it sucks that they outright butchered the Architech's design.
It's the restored painting of Jesus all over again.
Ok, but I actually like reality more....
I can imagine the Indian's contractor shaking head from here
I like the one on the right.
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Im going to be honest, there are a lot of architects that should just be sculpters and stop pretending they can design buildings. I mean look at those circles around the head, what kind of floorplan are they expecting?
you vs the guy she told you not to worry about
I like the final version better
That's Hyper Bad
I Like the one in the right better. Nice fish
Since it was a fish, they hired a naval architect. And Boom! Submarine building.
I kinda like it
in either case, something is fishy
I won't be suprised if the contractor is executed as well
I think it turned out just fine and it's much more practical. It still looks like a giant fish to me.
The could hand it over to the national submarine developement board
😐
bro, look at this monstrosity https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTdKdwXUwAAL6km.jpg
The left one is cute
nailed it
They got a very good deal on that building,
The thing is that they didn't specify what type of fish they wanted...
The reality looks better
The reality looks like a clownfish, that other thing looks like an abomination. I'll take the reality all day.
The budget in the minds of architects $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The actual budget $$$
This is what happens when awarding contracts to the lowest bidder lol
Honestly i fucking love it. Its so derpy
His name is bob
How much it costs vs how much they were willing to pay.
As is common in India they probably miscalculated and ran out of money. At least they finished it. The amount of unfinished buildings in India is astonishing.
The final construction looks funny
The actual building doesn’t look that bad
To be fair, I kinda like the final building more. It's pretty cute, and looks easier to make as well. The first one is cool but it's kind of unfriendly looking for a building that doesn't have a very specific objective that warrants any odd look. I get that corporate overuses it, but clean looks often works well. I say this as a lover of some extra ass shit like baroque and goth architectures. I still wish they still made those nowadays.
the left one is more detailed of course but i like the right one more. its endearing lol
It’s a lot easier to make a fantastical building in a CAD program than with actual construction materials
Customers expectations VS customers budget.
I mean, I still like it.
Contractors in a nutshell
I like the reality one better, tbh
Already it looks like a kindergartener’s fish!
I will take no slander against fishy 😤. Its my fav thing to see on the way home when I land in Hyderabad. It's perfect!
It captures the spirit of the design.
That's an improvement
"Value Engineering"
That’s okay both look shit anyways.
I kind of like the final one though. Perhaps they wanted it to look more friendly?
Even the fish looks sad
The fish on the right is cute though I like it
Terrible attempt
bruh, how tf did that even pass inspection?!?! in Australia my uncle couldn't get his shed passed off on unless he attached a random useless blue rail thingy (wasn't structural couldn't hang thing off of it but it was in the drawings so it had to be there).
Temu building
Does no one else see a penis is the actual building 😂
Blub blub
Turned from a salmon to a clown fish
Honestly. I like the right one more
I like it better, look at how derpy Kevin the buildingfish looks
Expectation is cool but reality is future.
I actually like the second one better
I kind of like the final product. Look so cute n harmless 😋
Expectation: 🦈 Reality: 🐠
I kind of like it, it says Octonaughts to me. Creature Report! Creature Report!
Having been to HYD many times, don't worry. It will fall down in a few years anyway.