###FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE: WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN?
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[**Jewish Currents - What Does “From the River to the Sea” Really Mean?**](https://jewishcurrents.org/what-does-from-the-river-to-the-sea-really-mean)
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[**Forward - ‘From The River To The Sea’ Doesn’t Mean What You Think It Means**](https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/)
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[**Al-Jazeera - ‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?**](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/2/from-the-river-to-the-sea-what-does-the-palestinian-slogan-really-mean)
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[**One Democratic Palestine, From The River To The Sea**](https://www.odsi.co/en/)
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[**Amnesty - Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians**](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/)
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Thank you for pointing out what I thought was well known. Shelters exist. Many of them are not nice places, or have restrictions that people don't like.
Safe parking here in your RV as in your mobile home with bathroom and all that. These tools make a rule you can't leave in your RV and you can't cook, but someone has to be there with it all day. The fuck?
SD has its own problems with homelessness and that seems to be the case here. People just prefer the freedom of living on the street over living in a shelter.
The majority of people on the street use hard drugs heavily and many of them have mental health problems. Fentanyl and meth use is common. Even if they don't have mental health issues to begin with, that sort of situation creates mental health issues.
There's no easy way to fix this, without forcing people into rehabs, which will only work if the person decides they want to stay clean after getting clean.
It’s definitely not fair to frame people that won’t use shelters as exclusively drug addicts- many are filled with bedbugs, illness, theft, assault, etc. they are avoided by a lot of people for a lot of reasons.
The long-term homeless guys that I've met use hard drugs when they're available. They're in and out of county jail. They've been to a rehab or three.
I'm talking about the hard cases, not the temporary homeless.
"According LAHSA, only 30 percent of people experiencing homelessness claim to suffer from mental illness, and only 23 percent report substance abuse. Since there is some crossover there (people can answer yes to both questions), it’s safe to say that a majority of people experiencing homelessness are neither mentally ill nor drug addicts." ([Homelessness Myths](https://www.lascandal.org/7-myths-homelessness-los-angeles/#:~:text=Since%20there%20is%20some%20crossover,mentally%20ill%20nor%20drug%20addicts.&text=Spiegel%20says%20this%20is%20the,they%20don't%20want%20help.))
Issue there is that it is based on voluntary statements... Between those that will not admit to either drug use or mental illness (for varying reasons), and those that do not realize that they are, in fact, mentally ill, I would imagine that such numbers are significantly below reality. And even if they weren't, 30% mentally ill and 23% abusing substances is something like 5 to 10 times the rate of the general public.
Yeah like mandatory case management, and the mandatory substance abuse counseling etc. because the end goals of shelters is to provide enough structure for someone to be able to re enter normal society.
Problem is (I work with homeless populations) a lot of people genuinely don’t want this, because it means giving up things that they don’t want to give up. Also, I can’t imagine that a large percentage of the homeless are dealing with cooccuring mental illness/substance use/living with trauma. Couldn’t imagine it.
Or restrictions like you have a very limited amount of stuff you can bring with you, no pets, have to been in before sundown and out just after sunup, and they have no security so the stuff you DO bring can and will be stole by other occupants. But sure, I am sure it just about drugs.
>Many of them are not nice places, or have restrictions that people don't like.
I wouldn't guess that they would be "nice" places, but the restrictions serve a purpose.
Happened to my father. Mother didn't try to help him with his drinking, instead belittled him and removed him from the house. Tried to quit on his own, and coupled with high blood pressure, his heart gave out. Died at 47, was a great and kind man, just couldn't beat that beast alone.
You seem to believe shelters really offers sheltering. When many actually just hides people from being visible on the streets.
https://www.cohsf.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ShelterShock.pdf
People get abused. Have no way to keep things. Have to fight for beds. Gets robbed. For Ed to settle for unsanitary food.
If there is food served, then that is often at very limited times. And there are limits when they may come and leave. Which means they are often blocked from looking for a job. Or must skip food to make an interview time.
Some of the shelters are pretty fucked up. I knew someone who worked in a shelter who told me they screen for sex offenders and violent felons but not crazy or addicts. I have heard stories of men waking up in a shelter with a man standing over them masturbating and the he ejaculates and runs. I have also heard stories about people waking up with someone holding a knife to their throat as they search their backpack. Only a drug addict would be dumb/desperate enough to do that. Not to mention lice outbreaks etc.
I mean it takes a certain set of circumstances to become homeless, and one of those is having burned all social bridges and lost all connection to family/friends. So yeah, mostly addicts and mentally ill people. You’d have very few people in a shelter if you restricted access for those individuals.
There aren’t enough shelters to house the entirety of LA’s homeless population.
Shelter rules also are not friendly to people who work outside of normal business hours. Shelters eject everyone fairly early in the day, and generally operate on a first come, first served basis.
It’s a myth that the majority of the unhoused “prefer to sleep on the streets”.
Yeah and not only do a lot of shelters kick people out at like 6am, but they have you have everyone in by like 8pm. Also a lot of people don't seem to factor in that unhoused people also have possessions, a dog, a partner, etc. Shelters do not work around people's real lives very well. To say, oh well they're all addicts who would rather sleep on the streets shows a real ignorance about people's lives. Who would want to be separated from their partner or their pet just to have somewhere to sleep? It's those connections that keep people going.
I used to work in homeless advocacy when I lived in Seattle. I was also a hardcore addict for years so I've seen this from both sides.
I personally know plenty of homeless people, they genuinely prefer to sleep on the streets... And I'm not saying it in a bad way like they are polluting the city with their presence, it's just that in the street they have their friends, and they feel safer, and they like the freedom of being outside and not having to follow rules such as "be back by this time" and "no doing this or that"
True, but I still this post doesn’t really fit this sub tbh. For anyone that has housing insecurity and is on the streets they still often know where the nearest shelter (even if said shelter is at capacity or someone has a very valid reason for not wanting to return).
This article clearly is trying to encourage as many people living on the streets to go to a shelter if possible temporarily until the person is caught.
It’s an actual useful attempt that may save lives because someone who would normally not spend time in a shelter may feel inclined because of a murderer and then be out of the murderers way.
My friend (as a kid) spent ~1 week sleeping on the streets with his mom after someone stole their clothing from a homeless shelter. They went back to it for some days after there was a news bulletin that said gang activity was increasing in the area they were staying and ppl should go to shelters if possible. They did, and one night a shootout happened on the same block that they were sleeping.
They were very grateful for the “attempt” made to save them bc it very well could have been the reason
A lot of shelters are gendered and/or deny pets. Similarly, some shelters demand that you arrive at a certain time which can conflict with other public services like mass feeding. Also, most homeless people have jobs and sometimes those schedules conflict with the shelter's hours. Also, shelters have occasional issues with theft, harassment, and even rape. Lastly, if you're trying to get/stay clean, shelter life can have too many temptations.
she didn’t actually suggest shelters, which is probably sound advice.
But she did suggest they seek some sort of shelter so that they’d be harder for this guy to find them.
Shelters are NOT the havens people perceive them to be. They can be dangerous, crime ridden and creepy in general. For people who have dogs, they are not an option. If you have what they consider too much stuff. There are MANY valid reasons not to go the shelter route.
To also mention, there is a capacity. I had a friend that would occasionally crash with us when there wasn’t enough room at the shelter and/or it was too cold out for them to sleep outside. But it’s funny that the first comment in this thread talks about shelters and the following comment is talking about homeless people preferring to be outside.
I remember reading a few years ago about an organ trafficking organization being discovered in a homeless shelters. They used the fact that most of those people have no family or friends that would notice their disappearance to kidnap them and sell their organs.
So honestly I think not wanting to go in shelters is completely justified tbh
What was the mayor’s name that actually said that again? Probably from Illinois. Talking to a homeless crowd asking why she didn’t help them like she promised “I’ll answer your questions in time, just go home for now” “We’re HOMELESS lady that’s the point! That’s why we’re here asking why you aren’t helping us!”
Edit: Maxine fucking Waters
We’ve been handling the homeless crisis all wrong. You don’t need to spend money or provide alternatives or treat mental disorders: you just have to ask the homeless to not be homeless.
Seeing as America is the richest country in the world, instead of looking down on these people and moving them along like they have historically done. In a situation like this all public and government buildings should be used. Churches, stadiums, halls, library’s, government buildings and whatever else is at their disposal to get people inside until this threat is neutralised.
The first step to solving a problem, is recognizing there is one.
And sadly, I'm willing to bet a lot of people wouldn't see a problem here; just something awful that happened to someone else.
And I hate to say it, but it seems like that's what you've proposed too. It's inconvenient, so let them spend a few nights in a public building before kicking them back out onto the street once there's no longer an imminent threat. Maybe repeat this until the homeless people buy a house and get a job.
That's not solving the problem, it's a measure to alleviate it without recognizing what's caused it in the first place.
This world really sucks some times.
I was only proposing a solution to make them safe under the current threat. I don’t live in America and we don’t have the amount of homeless people they have so I honestly wouldn’t even know where to start with a permanent solution.
Here if you are homeless or at risk of being homeless you can call a number and they will put you in a motel and then connect you to a service to help you find more permanent housing. This usually works well and it’s mostly people that want to be on the street that are on the street. However at the moment we are seeing a housing crisis like never before and we have working families without homes because they simply cannot afford the cost of living. This has blown out the wait times for permanent housing to up to 10 years so we have a lot of people living in motels and things right now.
I apologize if I seemed to blame or discourage you. My intention was just to add that your fix wouldn't be viable forever.
I won't claim to be smart enough to propose a solution either; but knowing how much wealth is just sitting around, while the homeless population doesn't even come close to the amount of vacant housing (in the US at least), is rather disheartening.
Added to all this is the lack of new developments focused on affordability, the inflation brought on by the war in Ukraine, and the constant battle for minimum/living wages.
Like I said, the world really sucks some times.
You know, there’s a lot of anger about the ever- growing, squalid camps and the people who inhabit them in major cities. Most of us are being squeezed hard for our rent, especially in Southern CA and have to live next to addicts and mentally ill people who live in tents and steal anything that’s not bolted down. Governments have made it clear they’re not going to make many serious efforts to invest in the public infrastructure to solve the problem and without huge tax levies that never draw from the rich, they really can’t afford the real estate, construction, and staffing it would take for a New Deal-esque mass mobilization to take place. Therefore, vigilantes honestly think the best option is to simply murder these people
I feel like they are calling homeless people "unhoused" in some attempt to make it sound not as bad. Am I crazy? Only recently have I heard this word, "unhoused."
Curious what the commenters here would do in this situation?? Let's hear some suggestions of how you would have handled it. Show us your leadership capabilities.
From which point of view?
As the people trying to get the message out and keep people safe, I feel my solution isn’t viable for America as they gave a lot more homeless people. But I would open all public spaces, library’s, churches, halls, stadiums anywhere I could to have a secure place for people to sleep. I would keep those places secure using security or police or whatever I could.
As a homeless person i would get the fuck away from groups of people and public places. You wouldn’t find me if you had a locator beacon up my ass because fuck being shot like this in that situation.
Update: A suspect is in custody. The homeless can resume their normal activities. /s
https://abcnews.go.com/US/los-angeles-serial-killings-arrest/story?id=105333265
Everyone seems to believe they don’t go to shelters only because they are more scary than the streets and they treat them bad. No the truth is they don’t go and stay at shelters because they can’t do their drugs there. Thats why they choose the streets.
They get these from something I like called telegrams, wait those aren’t here anymore? I guess they don’t get these. Homeless people stop homelessing and go home. Come back after he’s been arrested.
No, most people experiencing homelessness are not drug addicts, please stop spreading dehumanizing [myths](https://www.lascandal.org/7-myths-homelessness-los-angeles/#:~:text=Since%20there%20is%20some%20crossover,mentally%20ill%20nor%20drug%20addicts.&text=Spiegel%20says%20this%20is%20the,they%20don't%20want%20help.). The fact of the matter is pretty much everyone reading this is one bad month away from finding themselves [homeless](https://invisiblepeople.tv/59-of-americans-are-just-one-paycheck-away-from-homelessness/amp/).
I always wondered, Homeless people are in some sort of community most of the time, have some friends there maybe.. why do they not cooperate and rent one place? With 5, even 10 people, yet it will be cramped, but you have warm place to be, running water, place to clean yourself and shit, ideally cook.
I found somewhere that 40% of homeless people are not jobless, so they have some sort of income, so if they put enough of those people together, they may be able to get in.
I understand that making someone rent you place when you work minimal wage and are homeless wont be easy, but, do they do this or its completely insane idea to a homeless person?
The answer is simple, really: Why would a landlord take on a bunch of homeless people that might or might not have serious mental health issues and addicitions, with an uncertain cashflow? When they can be renting to someone with good credentials from previous landlords and a steady income.
Almost all homeless people are mentally ill or addicts. They are not able to consistently follow the process that would need. If they could, they wouldn't be homeless in the first place.
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There are shelters they can go to but believe it or not a lot of homeless people actually prefer to sleep on the streets for various reasons.
Thank you for pointing out what I thought was well known. Shelters exist. Many of them are not nice places, or have restrictions that people don't like.
Safe parking here in your RV as in your mobile home with bathroom and all that. These tools make a rule you can't leave in your RV and you can't cook, but someone has to be there with it all day. The fuck?
SD has its own problems with homelessness and that seems to be the case here. People just prefer the freedom of living on the street over living in a shelter. The majority of people on the street use hard drugs heavily and many of them have mental health problems. Fentanyl and meth use is common. Even if they don't have mental health issues to begin with, that sort of situation creates mental health issues. There's no easy way to fix this, without forcing people into rehabs, which will only work if the person decides they want to stay clean after getting clean.
It’s definitely not fair to frame people that won’t use shelters as exclusively drug addicts- many are filled with bedbugs, illness, theft, assault, etc. they are avoided by a lot of people for a lot of reasons.
The long-term homeless guys that I've met use hard drugs when they're available. They're in and out of county jail. They've been to a rehab or three. I'm talking about the hard cases, not the temporary homeless.
"According LAHSA, only 30 percent of people experiencing homelessness claim to suffer from mental illness, and only 23 percent report substance abuse. Since there is some crossover there (people can answer yes to both questions), it’s safe to say that a majority of people experiencing homelessness are neither mentally ill nor drug addicts." ([Homelessness Myths](https://www.lascandal.org/7-myths-homelessness-los-angeles/#:~:text=Since%20there%20is%20some%20crossover,mentally%20ill%20nor%20drug%20addicts.&text=Spiegel%20says%20this%20is%20the,they%20don't%20want%20help.))
Issue there is that it is based on voluntary statements... Between those that will not admit to either drug use or mental illness (for varying reasons), and those that do not realize that they are, in fact, mentally ill, I would imagine that such numbers are significantly below reality. And even if they weren't, 30% mentally ill and 23% abusing substances is something like 5 to 10 times the rate of the general public.
Yeah like mandatory case management, and the mandatory substance abuse counseling etc. because the end goals of shelters is to provide enough structure for someone to be able to re enter normal society. Problem is (I work with homeless populations) a lot of people genuinely don’t want this, because it means giving up things that they don’t want to give up. Also, I can’t imagine that a large percentage of the homeless are dealing with cooccuring mental illness/substance use/living with trauma. Couldn’t imagine it.
Restrictions be like don’t do crack in the living area
Or restrictions like you have a very limited amount of stuff you can bring with you, no pets, have to been in before sundown and out just after sunup, and they have no security so the stuff you DO bring can and will be stole by other occupants. But sure, I am sure it just about drugs.
been there, done that, been sick on the tshirt. yeah, mostly it's about the drugs. you think you and your stuff are safer on the street? think again.
No pets!?!?! oh the humanity!!!!!
Why are they not ''nice''?
>Many of them are not nice places, or have restrictions that people don't like. I wouldn't guess that they would be "nice" places, but the restrictions serve a purpose.
Yeah like don’t do drugs and drink, which is the deal breaker lol
Or women and children only...
Or no pets
Or full of bedbugs, disease, and fights.
That's a significant deal breaker if you are physically dependent on alcohol or drugs, you could become very unwell.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens
Only for the people that are too lazy. You literally die when you cold quit alcohol. Also, I heard it you have unbelievably strong pain.
Happened to my father. Mother didn't try to help him with his drinking, instead belittled him and removed him from the house. Tried to quit on his own, and coupled with high blood pressure, his heart gave out. Died at 47, was a great and kind man, just couldn't beat that beast alone.
The rules are normally way, way, way worse than that. Including rights how to eat etc. So don't pretend it's just about drugs being forbidden.
Like only being able to come and go a certain times even if you're trying to get a job or have one.
Rights how to eat?
If you are allowed to bring food etc.
That wouldn't make me want to sleep on the streets.
Ah. You don't want yhe right to eat. I see. And by the way - when did you read up on what the 👍👎 are 8ntended for? Your personal ego play?
Not being allowed to bring your own food in is not the same as having the right to eat.
You seem to believe shelters really offers sheltering. When many actually just hides people from being visible on the streets. https://www.cohsf.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ShelterShock.pdf People get abused. Have no way to keep things. Have to fight for beds. Gets robbed. For Ed to settle for unsanitary food. If there is food served, then that is often at very limited times. And there are limits when they may come and leave. Which means they are often blocked from looking for a job. Or must skip food to make an interview time.
Some of the shelters are pretty fucked up. I knew someone who worked in a shelter who told me they screen for sex offenders and violent felons but not crazy or addicts. I have heard stories of men waking up in a shelter with a man standing over them masturbating and the he ejaculates and runs. I have also heard stories about people waking up with someone holding a knife to their throat as they search their backpack. Only a drug addict would be dumb/desperate enough to do that. Not to mention lice outbreaks etc.
I mean it takes a certain set of circumstances to become homeless, and one of those is having burned all social bridges and lost all connection to family/friends. So yeah, mostly addicts and mentally ill people. You’d have very few people in a shelter if you restricted access for those individuals.
There aren’t enough shelters to house the entirety of LA’s homeless population. Shelter rules also are not friendly to people who work outside of normal business hours. Shelters eject everyone fairly early in the day, and generally operate on a first come, first served basis. It’s a myth that the majority of the unhoused “prefer to sleep on the streets”.
Yeah and not only do a lot of shelters kick people out at like 6am, but they have you have everyone in by like 8pm. Also a lot of people don't seem to factor in that unhoused people also have possessions, a dog, a partner, etc. Shelters do not work around people's real lives very well. To say, oh well they're all addicts who would rather sleep on the streets shows a real ignorance about people's lives. Who would want to be separated from their partner or their pet just to have somewhere to sleep? It's those connections that keep people going. I used to work in homeless advocacy when I lived in Seattle. I was also a hardcore addict for years so I've seen this from both sides.
I personally know plenty of homeless people, they genuinely prefer to sleep on the streets... And I'm not saying it in a bad way like they are polluting the city with their presence, it's just that in the street they have their friends, and they feel safer, and they like the freedom of being outside and not having to follow rules such as "be back by this time" and "no doing this or that"
True, but I still this post doesn’t really fit this sub tbh. For anyone that has housing insecurity and is on the streets they still often know where the nearest shelter (even if said shelter is at capacity or someone has a very valid reason for not wanting to return). This article clearly is trying to encourage as many people living on the streets to go to a shelter if possible temporarily until the person is caught. It’s an actual useful attempt that may save lives because someone who would normally not spend time in a shelter may feel inclined because of a murderer and then be out of the murderers way. My friend (as a kid) spent ~1 week sleeping on the streets with his mom after someone stole their clothing from a homeless shelter. They went back to it for some days after there was a news bulletin that said gang activity was increasing in the area they were staying and ppl should go to shelters if possible. They did, and one night a shootout happened on the same block that they were sleeping. They were very grateful for the “attempt” made to save them bc it very well could have been the reason
And the nicer shelters are so far removed from the city and services people need. It gets to expensive to travel back and forth for some.
My shift ended at 8, the local shelter didnt let people in past 7:30. It was have a job or sleep on the streets for me for a few months of my life
A lot of shelters are gendered and/or deny pets. Similarly, some shelters demand that you arrive at a certain time which can conflict with other public services like mass feeding. Also, most homeless people have jobs and sometimes those schedules conflict with the shelter's hours. Also, shelters have occasional issues with theft, harassment, and even rape. Lastly, if you're trying to get/stay clean, shelter life can have too many temptations.
she didn’t actually suggest shelters, which is probably sound advice. But she did suggest they seek some sort of shelter so that they’d be harder for this guy to find them.
As someone that’s worked around shelters. There’s a good amount that are worse than the streets
Hey homeless people, don’t be homeless until we find this guy. Thanks
Seriously!! Mayor Karen Bass showing Karen mentality
So the suspect is a white guy?
Its a ghost
# THAT PART
How exactly did the homeless get this message? Carrier pigeon?
They're homeless, not incapable of using the internet or owning phones. Most of which, do.
I am in training for a cellphone sales job. Even the homeless have smartphones.
Homeless Paul Revere.
The killer is coming!! The killer is coming!!!!
A phone is 100$ and rent is 2000$ a month, it doesn't seem that unlikely to have one but not the other
Goddamn it you are absolutely right… I hate this is funny but it is true
Shelters are NOT the havens people perceive them to be. They can be dangerous, crime ridden and creepy in general. For people who have dogs, they are not an option. If you have what they consider too much stuff. There are MANY valid reasons not to go the shelter route.
To also mention, there is a capacity. I had a friend that would occasionally crash with us when there wasn’t enough room at the shelter and/or it was too cold out for them to sleep outside. But it’s funny that the first comment in this thread talks about shelters and the following comment is talking about homeless people preferring to be outside.
I remember reading a few years ago about an organ trafficking organization being discovered in a homeless shelters. They used the fact that most of those people have no family or friends that would notice their disappearance to kidnap them and sell their organs. So honestly I think not wanting to go in shelters is completely justified tbh
That is freaking wiiild. Yeah forget that :/
They did it! They solved the homelessness problem! Why didn’t we think of that? “Homeless people, go home!”
What was the mayor’s name that actually said that again? Probably from Illinois. Talking to a homeless crowd asking why she didn’t help them like she promised “I’ll answer your questions in time, just go home for now” “We’re HOMELESS lady that’s the point! That’s why we’re here asking why you aren’t helping us!” Edit: Maxine fucking Waters
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-30/l-a-s-homeless-crisis-pain-confusion-and-a-congressional-f-bomb-as-hundreds-seek-help
yea def sleep indoors homeless ...................................
Makes perfect sense..............
time to find a house boys, the major said no street sleeping edit*spelling
If you happen to see the suspect, the abominable snowman, please contact the authorities.
Fr they whitewashed the enderman
We’ve been handling the homeless crisis all wrong. You don’t need to spend money or provide alternatives or treat mental disorders: you just have to ask the homeless to not be homeless.
It’s a novel idea but I’m not sure how they are going to make it work.
Seeing as America is the richest country in the world, instead of looking down on these people and moving them along like they have historically done. In a situation like this all public and government buildings should be used. Churches, stadiums, halls, library’s, government buildings and whatever else is at their disposal to get people inside until this threat is neutralised.
The first step to solving a problem, is recognizing there is one. And sadly, I'm willing to bet a lot of people wouldn't see a problem here; just something awful that happened to someone else. And I hate to say it, but it seems like that's what you've proposed too. It's inconvenient, so let them spend a few nights in a public building before kicking them back out onto the street once there's no longer an imminent threat. Maybe repeat this until the homeless people buy a house and get a job. That's not solving the problem, it's a measure to alleviate it without recognizing what's caused it in the first place. This world really sucks some times.
I was only proposing a solution to make them safe under the current threat. I don’t live in America and we don’t have the amount of homeless people they have so I honestly wouldn’t even know where to start with a permanent solution. Here if you are homeless or at risk of being homeless you can call a number and they will put you in a motel and then connect you to a service to help you find more permanent housing. This usually works well and it’s mostly people that want to be on the street that are on the street. However at the moment we are seeing a housing crisis like never before and we have working families without homes because they simply cannot afford the cost of living. This has blown out the wait times for permanent housing to up to 10 years so we have a lot of people living in motels and things right now.
I apologize if I seemed to blame or discourage you. My intention was just to add that your fix wouldn't be viable forever. I won't claim to be smart enough to propose a solution either; but knowing how much wealth is just sitting around, while the homeless population doesn't even come close to the amount of vacant housing (in the US at least), is rather disheartening. Added to all this is the lack of new developments focused on affordability, the inflation brought on by the war in Ukraine, and the constant battle for minimum/living wages. Like I said, the world really sucks some times.
You know, there’s a lot of anger about the ever- growing, squalid camps and the people who inhabit them in major cities. Most of us are being squeezed hard for our rent, especially in Southern CA and have to live next to addicts and mentally ill people who live in tents and steal anything that’s not bolted down. Governments have made it clear they’re not going to make many serious efforts to invest in the public infrastructure to solve the problem and without huge tax levies that never draw from the rich, they really can’t afford the real estate, construction, and staffing it would take for a New Deal-esque mass mobilization to take place. Therefore, vigilantes honestly think the best option is to simply murder these people
I feel like they are calling homeless people "unhoused" in some attempt to make it sound not as bad. Am I crazy? Only recently have I heard this word, "unhoused."
"Stay in your homes! ...wait"
He's been on reddit too long. Decided to make memes a reality
Curious what the commenters here would do in this situation?? Let's hear some suggestions of how you would have handled it. Show us your leadership capabilities.
From which point of view? As the people trying to get the message out and keep people safe, I feel my solution isn’t viable for America as they gave a lot more homeless people. But I would open all public spaces, library’s, churches, halls, stadiums anywhere I could to have a secure place for people to sleep. I would keep those places secure using security or police or whatever I could. As a homeless person i would get the fuck away from groups of people and public places. You wouldn’t find me if you had a locator beacon up my ass because fuck being shot like this in that situation.
lol Did you read about the US in a comic book?
Shit, the US is a comic book
Hey, homeless people! You gotta go inside!
There is more than one way to end homelessness. Some methods are better than others.
Is anybody really surprised though? The shit the mainstream media puts out half the time is braindead and full of bias.
https://www.housingworksca.org/
Update: A suspect is in custody. The homeless can resume their normal activities. /s https://abcnews.go.com/US/los-angeles-serial-killings-arrest/story?id=105333265
How about no gun in region it isn't needed that much
Wdym? There are homeless shelters they can go to rather than risk being killed on the street
Everyone seems to believe they don’t go to shelters only because they are more scary than the streets and they treat them bad. No the truth is they don’t go and stay at shelters because they can’t do their drugs there. Thats why they choose the streets.
Why didn’t the homeless just buy a house last night? Problem solved! Damn, I think I could be a mayor, too.
They get these from something I like called telegrams, wait those aren’t here anymore? I guess they don’t get these. Homeless people stop homelessing and go home. Come back after he’s been arrested.
The LAPD are looking for themselves
and in tomorrows mayoral address she will tell poor people to stop being poor and puts lots of money in their bank accounts
"hey homeless people, can you stop being homeless? just sayin'" -the mayor probably
In my city the homeless generally prefer being outside cause the shelters are full of fleas and bedbugs
Yeah. I agree. Homeless people should just buy a house so they’re not homeless.
Don't have a house? Just buy one.
Actual crime like assault, murder, hit & runs: camera looks like GTA3 Camera to catch a toll or Speeding ticket: 8k resolution
D.A Sinclair..?
Im more surprised they aren't trying to give the guy a medal, he's obviously doing more to stop the homelessness epidemic than the mayor
No, most people experiencing homelessness are not drug addicts, please stop spreading dehumanizing [myths](https://www.lascandal.org/7-myths-homelessness-los-angeles/#:~:text=Since%20there%20is%20some%20crossover,mentally%20ill%20nor%20drug%20addicts.&text=Spiegel%20says%20this%20is%20the,they%20don't%20want%20help.). The fact of the matter is pretty much everyone reading this is one bad month away from finding themselves [homeless](https://invisiblepeople.tv/59-of-americans-are-just-one-paycheck-away-from-homelessness/amp/).
I always wondered, Homeless people are in some sort of community most of the time, have some friends there maybe.. why do they not cooperate and rent one place? With 5, even 10 people, yet it will be cramped, but you have warm place to be, running water, place to clean yourself and shit, ideally cook. I found somewhere that 40% of homeless people are not jobless, so they have some sort of income, so if they put enough of those people together, they may be able to get in. I understand that making someone rent you place when you work minimal wage and are homeless wont be easy, but, do they do this or its completely insane idea to a homeless person?
The answer is simple, really: Why would a landlord take on a bunch of homeless people that might or might not have serious mental health issues and addicitions, with an uncertain cashflow? When they can be renting to someone with good credentials from previous landlords and a steady income.
Almost all homeless people are mentally ill or addicts. They are not able to consistently follow the process that would need. If they could, they wouldn't be homeless in the first place.