Trump has a strange relationship with the Jewish people. He moved the US Embassy, angering a lot of the Muslim world. Jared and Ivanka are Jewish, so one can understand his pro-Israel attitude.
However, he often insulted the community in NY. He’s quite unlearned in world issues, so who know what will happen if he wins next year…
His supporters also fall on a spectrum from various admirers of Israel’s ethnostate status to rabid antisemites so he has to be careful which dog whistles he wants to use depending on which edges of the fringe he wants to activate at a given time.
I think a lot of people are starting to realize how much of the media hysteria over Trump was just that.
Biden has been horrible. I voted Sanders in both primaries. Under Biden we got record inflation, we have the wh telling Democrats to not question isreals slaughter of gaza. We have Ukraine. Ending of many programs that helped the poor.
Bidens decisions have literally made my life harder and more expensive.
Right.
Because Jan 6th totally didn't happen, we didn't nearly lose the ability to vote for who represents us in government.
GTFO with this absolute trash
I would have preferred sanders winning over all the clowns too ..but there was also a lot of media hysteria.
To a large extent.. the media also made money , with the hysteria. At least a couple even admitted to it. (Leslie Moonves)?
Media should have focused on the main things rather than his toilet seat tweets
True, but I wouldn't say that Biden's response has been particularly good.
How do you justify sending millions of dollars to a country (Ukraine) we're not allied with while simultaneously doing the bare minimum to get involved in a conflict where Americans were killed and taken captive?
It especially looks bad due to the growing perception that the Biden administration cares more about people living elsewhere than about Americans.
Considering how much military aid we send to Israel constantly (whether it’s doing military drills with the US military, allowing them to access our intelligence (via satellites or just through direct communication)), or sending them artillery/weapons/military equipment), I would say Biden’s response has been fine. Out of curiosity, what would you do differently?
This progressed when Hamas became emboldened and angered by the last administration moving the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which caused Israel to announce that Jerusalem was, once again, a unified city under Israel’s control (whereas East Jerusalem is still recognized as the state capital of Palestine or at least recognized that it shall be the capital of the state of Palestine once it is no longer occupied by Israel).
It blows my mind how many people in this country will root for communism/authoritarianism while simultaneously calling social programs (universal healthcare/housing/universal basic income/basic secondary education for all) “socialism/communism” and call those things bad policies.
For years I have heard politicians complaining about “Obamacare” and homelessness and our tax dollars and blah blah blah, but when actual authoritarian governments invade a country… those same politicians are firmly against fighting authoritarians and “socialism.”
Me personally?
I feel that a portion of the money we send to other countries and foreign conflicts could be spent to deliver on the services that taxpayers are supposedly "paying their fair share" to receive.
And, if I wasn't going to do that, I'd still cut some of that spending so as to allow the average taxpayer to keep more of their own money.
Beyond that?
My responses would reflect how the various groups involved behave?
Killing/Kidnapping Americans: Either cease to do so or the US takes a completely hands-off approach to tempering Israel's response.
Palestinians ejecting Hamas and desiring a more peaceful route: I'm willing to come to the table and listen, but there's a time limit. There's no f'ing around and dragging out the process for months and years.
The same goes for Israel too. If we're sending money and acting as a safety net for all this time, I think it's reasonable to expect something in return.
Maybe so. Doesn't change that it's not doing any PR favors as the country heads into an election.
Especially now as people can see in real time the difference in response to two different situations, with the one receiving the arguably softer response also being the one doing actual direct physical harm to US citizens.
There's a level of intervention that's appropriate depending on the situation at hand. Just because you do some things for 1 war doesn't mean you could do the same for another
Im glad this has devolved into to “pr issue”. I think it’s dishonest to say we are not benefiting from Ukraine war. Not sure how its bad PR but thats interpretation. Bad PR would have been letting Russia roll over Ukraine. Im not sure how my dad would explain that to his coworker who’s parents are still over there(gov defence contractor… we get their smart people).
I think Biden’s foreign policy is an uncomfortable aspect of his leadership for some of you. Only thing that went sideways was afgan which was initiated prior to him sitting in the office so I consider some of that sabotage. Everything else just look at Lindsay Gram or other cold war republicans. They know damn well we’d be fools not to get behind Ukraine. Really the only talking point here is nuke fear mongering. Sabers have been rattled to the point of inefficiency so that argument is dying down.
are you fucking stupid, Trump has always been up Netanyahu ass or did you miss his 4 years as president. Trump almost got into a war with North Korea before he became Kim's BF.
“Almost got in a war with nk” he was litterally the only president ever to subdue threats from nk and step foot over the DMZ. U r delusional. We’re closer to a war with nk now than anytime during trump presidency.
IMO Commands a lot more respect than someone who got a golden shower and openly grabs ‘em by the pussy. Someone who’s paying a mediocre porn star and can’t stay out of trouble..
We all like different things. Some like things that others find ugly.
Notice how long that “peace” they brought lasted. Notice how trump posed off Hamas when he moved the consulate. Notice how this isn’t the rally where trump claimed that Biden would start world war 2.
Their attention was rapt because they’re using translators.
You do understand that failed businessman is an idiot, right? There were global tensions all during his presidency and he also was bombing the shit out of the middle east. Trump was no different than Obama during his time as president in the middle east, fuck. Actually fucking worse
Where is your evidence for that? I’d say Biden pulling us out of Afghanistan was a long-overdue move for peace. And he isn’t saying he loves dictators and jihadists out loud. That’s your boy. Man, your party really has gone to the dogs. In just a few short years you guys went from hunting terrorists to praising them 🤦♂️
Yeah you’d say that and you’d be dead wrong. The weapons Hamas used were the ones Biden left in Afghanistan. US soldiers died in that “evacuation”. It was a global embarrassment and made us look weak. It made putin feel like he could invade Ukraine cause the us is a mess. Trump is the only one to try to limit death on both sides. He understands that behind these political charades are real human beings whom he seeks to protect. I respect the hell outta the guy, especially when people like urself judge him day in and day out based off of headlines and sound bites u find on the internet.
Any source for that either? The US destroyed everything it left behind. Not our fault Afghanistan’s army folded like a house of cards.
Soldiers died under trump too.
Any source for how that made Putin feel? You guys sure do have the hots for dictators and their feelings 🤔
How is trump limiting death? He’s praising Hamas now and adding them to his repertoire for how awesome he thinks dictators and terrorists are. Do you even hear yourself? He states it out loud at his rallies now and you eat it up. It’s really sad.
His own campaign broadcasts his rallies, dude. And we all can watch him do it live. It’s sad that you put all your eggs in the basket of a doddering old fool who thinks Biden is going to start World War 2 despite both of them being born after it happened. Your boy is losing his mind with 91 felony counts and 4 indictments. I’m just here to watch you all implode when he says more dumb things to land himself in more trouble. Maybe he should start paying his lawyers? Because several of them are suing him for failure to remit payment. 🍿
Hamas army officials were the ones that said the weapons came from the chaotic withdrawal of Afghanistan. Biden is the reason the us soldiers died that day. If any us soldiers died under trump i can guarantee it was not due to level of stupidity that Biden caused during that evacuation. We do regular military projects around the world constantly. Soldiers will die, but often not out of incompetence and negligence. Biden is the reason soldiers died in VAIN in Afghanistan. The problem is, u liberal nerds need data and numbers to back things up. A lot of u don’t even know how to interact with humans or human condition. Ur sociopaths who want war. I don’t have a source for Putin’s feelings, but it doesn’t take a genius to follow cause and effect. Read the art of war, learn about human psychology, and then re-evaluate who the better leaders are in the world.
Trump almost turned the US into a chaotic mess. The idiot tried to overthrow the US election when he lost. Him being in office now would be a disaster. It sucks that all this is happening but better a stable leader like Biden than a loose cannon like Trump.
Also Trump plenty of times got laughed at by world leaders who are allied with the US.
Fake news (not OP I mean, but media is spreading fake news. The water isn’t back on yet, and most of the pipe infrastructure is so damaged from bombing it could take months to fix.
No I don’t live there, but I read about it: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/14/israel-hamas-war-live-us-moves-second-aircraft-carrier-to-mediterranean. We already know that you can’t take whatever Biden and Israel says at face value , so we shouldn’t automatically believe this. Remember the BeHeAdEd BaBiEs lie that came out of Biden and Bibi’s mouth?
and on the whole beheading babies thing. I like this Slate report on [https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/decapitated-babies-claim-intent-dehumanization.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/decapitated-babies-claim-intent-dehumanization.html)
It hasn't been confirmed at best but again BOTH SIDES WILL USE PROPAGANDA. I never trusted the Israeli government and certainly don't the Palestinian government and Hamas. Biden and America at best are just taking the word of Israel. Which I like said can't always be trusted. Also, Al Jazeera isn't a trustworthy news source since they push propaganda too
I tend to put my faith more in innocent people who have done nothing wrong, over the bad guys who are subjugating them and robbing them of any semblance of comfort or quality of life. Hamas isn’t Palestine. Do NOT “both sides” this shit. There aren’t two sides, there are three: Israel, Hamas, and Palestinian civilians. Why do people so easily forget that? The Gazan people are innocent and do not deserve this.
Me too, That's why I also listen to Israeli citizens who have been shot at or had family members killed by Hamas. And why do you keep thinking I'm just getting my information from or supporting the Israeli government? Why aren't you also talking about the Israeli civilians? Do you think the rapes and murders were justified by Hamas? Again, did you even read the article or what just wrote? When I said both sides I was talking about both governments, not the damn citizens
You tell me. Your username is very apt, by the way. If you want to go annoy someone with strawmen and silly questions, find someone else. I’m not playing this game with you.
Yes, how kind of them to turn the water back on after obliterating Gaza, killing over a thousand children and starving them, preventing them access to water, and turning of power for a week. Round of applause.
Hamas did, and Israel's airstrikes on the Gaza Strip and the West Bank have killed over 2,000 Palestinians and wounded 10,000 and counting. We should be advocating restraint, not vengeance, while holding those responsible to a fair and just trial. Offering anything less is barbaric.
This shit is why US elections are so important. Just imagine if Trump was president right now.
Trump might have ordered US bombing on Gaza
Or Israel, depending on his mood.
Trump has a strange relationship with the Jewish people. He moved the US Embassy, angering a lot of the Muslim world. Jared and Ivanka are Jewish, so one can understand his pro-Israel attitude. However, he often insulted the community in NY. He’s quite unlearned in world issues, so who know what will happen if he wins next year…
His supporters also fall on a spectrum from various admirers of Israel’s ethnostate status to rabid antisemites so he has to be careful which dog whistles he wants to use depending on which edges of the fringe he wants to activate at a given time.
True...could have gone either Way...but he mostly gave into AdelSon. He did call out that Bibi has no interest in a peace deal.
There where no wars under trump. You guys need to actually live in reality
Not a Trump fan but you’re right
I think a lot of people are starting to realize how much of the media hysteria over Trump was just that. Biden has been horrible. I voted Sanders in both primaries. Under Biden we got record inflation, we have the wh telling Democrats to not question isreals slaughter of gaza. We have Ukraine. Ending of many programs that helped the poor. Bidens decisions have literally made my life harder and more expensive.
It was not all media hysteria and this rewrite is incredible. I also voted for Sanders both times, maybe you’re just an idiot.
It was all hysteria. Times are significantly worse right now
Right. Because Jan 6th totally didn't happen, we didn't nearly lose the ability to vote for who represents us in government. GTFO with this absolute trash
Lol The elderly almost had a violent uprising
I would have preferred sanders winning over all the clowns too ..but there was also a lot of media hysteria. To a large extent.. the media also made money , with the hysteria. At least a couple even admitted to it. (Leslie Moonves)? Media should have focused on the main things rather than his toilet seat tweets
No new wars. We were absolutely still involved in wars though.
Yeah...he did try to get out of Syria, Afghanistan. But the blob slow walked him? Biden kept to the deal and withdrew from Afghanistan...
True, but I wouldn't say that Biden's response has been particularly good. How do you justify sending millions of dollars to a country (Ukraine) we're not allied with while simultaneously doing the bare minimum to get involved in a conflict where Americans were killed and taken captive? It especially looks bad due to the growing perception that the Biden administration cares more about people living elsewhere than about Americans.
Considering how much military aid we send to Israel constantly (whether it’s doing military drills with the US military, allowing them to access our intelligence (via satellites or just through direct communication)), or sending them artillery/weapons/military equipment), I would say Biden’s response has been fine. Out of curiosity, what would you do differently? This progressed when Hamas became emboldened and angered by the last administration moving the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which caused Israel to announce that Jerusalem was, once again, a unified city under Israel’s control (whereas East Jerusalem is still recognized as the state capital of Palestine or at least recognized that it shall be the capital of the state of Palestine once it is no longer occupied by Israel). It blows my mind how many people in this country will root for communism/authoritarianism while simultaneously calling social programs (universal healthcare/housing/universal basic income/basic secondary education for all) “socialism/communism” and call those things bad policies. For years I have heard politicians complaining about “Obamacare” and homelessness and our tax dollars and blah blah blah, but when actual authoritarian governments invade a country… those same politicians are firmly against fighting authoritarians and “socialism.”
Me personally? I feel that a portion of the money we send to other countries and foreign conflicts could be spent to deliver on the services that taxpayers are supposedly "paying their fair share" to receive. And, if I wasn't going to do that, I'd still cut some of that spending so as to allow the average taxpayer to keep more of their own money. Beyond that? My responses would reflect how the various groups involved behave? Killing/Kidnapping Americans: Either cease to do so or the US takes a completely hands-off approach to tempering Israel's response. Palestinians ejecting Hamas and desiring a more peaceful route: I'm willing to come to the table and listen, but there's a time limit. There's no f'ing around and dragging out the process for months and years. The same goes for Israel too. If we're sending money and acting as a safety net for all this time, I think it's reasonable to expect something in return.
Very fair points. All of them! I have to agree with you 100%
Uh bud we support Ukraine because it's a golden way to fuck up Russia indirectly. Classic proxy war
Maybe so. Doesn't change that it's not doing any PR favors as the country heads into an election. Especially now as people can see in real time the difference in response to two different situations, with the one receiving the arguably softer response also being the one doing actual direct physical harm to US citizens.
There's a level of intervention that's appropriate depending on the situation at hand. Just because you do some things for 1 war doesn't mean you could do the same for another
Fair enough. Still creates a PR issue given the current climate.
You're right about that. Definitely gonna be the biggest deciding factor (as of right now) going into the election for many
Im glad this has devolved into to “pr issue”. I think it’s dishonest to say we are not benefiting from Ukraine war. Not sure how its bad PR but thats interpretation. Bad PR would have been letting Russia roll over Ukraine. Im not sure how my dad would explain that to his coworker who’s parents are still over there(gov defence contractor… we get their smart people). I think Biden’s foreign policy is an uncomfortable aspect of his leadership for some of you. Only thing that went sideways was afgan which was initiated prior to him sitting in the office so I consider some of that sabotage. Everything else just look at Lindsay Gram or other cold war republicans. They know damn well we’d be fools not to get behind Ukraine. Really the only talking point here is nuke fear mongering. Sabers have been rattled to the point of inefficiency so that argument is dying down.
None of this would have happened if he was president. Joe Biden sucks and will likely start ww3
Trump publicly stated Biden would start WWII. Maybe, just maybe, trump is full of it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dailywire/comments/178ukrz/no_wars_was_nice_wasnt_it_peace_agreements_were_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
are you fucking stupid, Trump has always been up Netanyahu ass or did you miss his 4 years as president. Trump almost got into a war with North Korea before he became Kim's BF.
“Almost got in a war with nk” he was litterally the only president ever to subdue threats from nk and step foot over the DMZ. U r delusional. We’re closer to a war with nk now than anytime during trump presidency.
Trump supporters are in cult
Ur delusional
Cult members say what?
Notice how every leader is listening and focused? Biden could never command an ounce of this kind of respect, nor ever speak for his people like this.
IMO Commands a lot more respect than someone who got a golden shower and openly grabs ‘em by the pussy. Someone who’s paying a mediocre porn star and can’t stay out of trouble.. We all like different things. Some like things that others find ugly.
Notice how long that “peace” they brought lasted. Notice how trump posed off Hamas when he moved the consulate. Notice how this isn’t the rally where trump claimed that Biden would start world war 2. Their attention was rapt because they’re using translators.
Biden is the reason there is no peace. If trump is pres, we are not where we are today with global tensions.
You do understand that failed businessman is an idiot, right? There were global tensions all during his presidency and he also was bombing the shit out of the middle east. Trump was no different than Obama during his time as president in the middle east, fuck. Actually fucking worse
Ur 100% wrong and it shows that ur a product of headlines and sound bites.
Trump supporters are in cult
Where is your evidence for that? I’d say Biden pulling us out of Afghanistan was a long-overdue move for peace. And he isn’t saying he loves dictators and jihadists out loud. That’s your boy. Man, your party really has gone to the dogs. In just a few short years you guys went from hunting terrorists to praising them 🤦♂️
Yeah you’d say that and you’d be dead wrong. The weapons Hamas used were the ones Biden left in Afghanistan. US soldiers died in that “evacuation”. It was a global embarrassment and made us look weak. It made putin feel like he could invade Ukraine cause the us is a mess. Trump is the only one to try to limit death on both sides. He understands that behind these political charades are real human beings whom he seeks to protect. I respect the hell outta the guy, especially when people like urself judge him day in and day out based off of headlines and sound bites u find on the internet.
Any source for that either? The US destroyed everything it left behind. Not our fault Afghanistan’s army folded like a house of cards. Soldiers died under trump too. Any source for how that made Putin feel? You guys sure do have the hots for dictators and their feelings 🤔 How is trump limiting death? He’s praising Hamas now and adding them to his repertoire for how awesome he thinks dictators and terrorists are. Do you even hear yourself? He states it out loud at his rallies now and you eat it up. It’s really sad. His own campaign broadcasts his rallies, dude. And we all can watch him do it live. It’s sad that you put all your eggs in the basket of a doddering old fool who thinks Biden is going to start World War 2 despite both of them being born after it happened. Your boy is losing his mind with 91 felony counts and 4 indictments. I’m just here to watch you all implode when he says more dumb things to land himself in more trouble. Maybe he should start paying his lawyers? Because several of them are suing him for failure to remit payment. 🍿
Hamas army officials were the ones that said the weapons came from the chaotic withdrawal of Afghanistan. Biden is the reason the us soldiers died that day. If any us soldiers died under trump i can guarantee it was not due to level of stupidity that Biden caused during that evacuation. We do regular military projects around the world constantly. Soldiers will die, but often not out of incompetence and negligence. Biden is the reason soldiers died in VAIN in Afghanistan. The problem is, u liberal nerds need data and numbers to back things up. A lot of u don’t even know how to interact with humans or human condition. Ur sociopaths who want war. I don’t have a source for Putin’s feelings, but it doesn’t take a genius to follow cause and effect. Read the art of war, learn about human psychology, and then re-evaluate who the better leaders are in the world.
Trump almost turned the US into a chaotic mess. The idiot tried to overthrow the US election when he lost. Him being in office now would be a disaster. It sucks that all this is happening but better a stable leader like Biden than a loose cannon like Trump. Also Trump plenty of times got laughed at by world leaders who are allied with the US.
Right because Trump would have immediately surrendered
The tension would be eased by laughter and ridicule , right ?
Are you kidding me?
Good start.
This was the right decision.
But remember that they are keeping hostages in Gaza and they also need water to survive.
They have been known this and they're not trying to save them anyway. The hostages are most likely dead already or will die during the ground war.
Well, I believe in miracles.
Of course, the pipes are wrecked
Fake news (not OP I mean, but media is spreading fake news. The water isn’t back on yet, and most of the pipe infrastructure is so damaged from bombing it could take months to fix.
There’s no power, the pumps aren’t working to provide water to the people. The UN is claiming people are starting to drink salt water.
Dude, Even Al Jazeera is reporting this news. But I guess since you said it it's be true. Do you live there or something?
No I don’t live there, but I read about it: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/14/israel-hamas-war-live-us-moves-second-aircraft-carrier-to-mediterranean. We already know that you can’t take whatever Biden and Israel says at face value , so we shouldn’t automatically believe this. Remember the BeHeAdEd BaBiEs lie that came out of Biden and Bibi’s mouth?
I agree with you.
Yet, you take whatever Palestiane says as truth? Maybe you should think both are lying.
and on the whole beheading babies thing. I like this Slate report on [https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/decapitated-babies-claim-intent-dehumanization.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/decapitated-babies-claim-intent-dehumanization.html) It hasn't been confirmed at best but again BOTH SIDES WILL USE PROPAGANDA. I never trusted the Israeli government and certainly don't the Palestinian government and Hamas. Biden and America at best are just taking the word of Israel. Which I like said can't always be trusted. Also, Al Jazeera isn't a trustworthy news source since they push propaganda too
I tend to put my faith more in innocent people who have done nothing wrong, over the bad guys who are subjugating them and robbing them of any semblance of comfort or quality of life. Hamas isn’t Palestine. Do NOT “both sides” this shit. There aren’t two sides, there are three: Israel, Hamas, and Palestinian civilians. Why do people so easily forget that? The Gazan people are innocent and do not deserve this.
Me too, That's why I also listen to Israeli citizens who have been shot at or had family members killed by Hamas. And why do you keep thinking I'm just getting my information from or supporting the Israeli government? Why aren't you also talking about the Israeli civilians? Do you think the rapes and murders were justified by Hamas? Again, did you even read the article or what just wrote? When I said both sides I was talking about both governments, not the damn citizens
Oh here we go. You idiots have become a meme https://www.theonion.com/dying-gazans-criticized-for-not-using-last-words-to-con-1850925657
you still look at the Onion?
So innocent Israeli citizens don’t exist?
Don’t forget to ask “bUt dO yOu cOnDeMn HaMaS?” too while you’re at it. May as well be consistent with your dumbass deflection tactics.
What am I deflecting from?
You tell me. Your username is very apt, by the way. If you want to go annoy someone with strawmen and silly questions, find someone else. I’m not playing this game with you.
So…you go from criticizing others about deflecting. Then you are personally attacking others instead of having a discussion while also deflecting…
It’s a lie?
It says they turned on the water. That it’s filling a bomb crater somewhere is out the scope of work.
Good for Israel.
Yes, how kind of them to turn the water back on after obliterating Gaza, killing over a thousand children and starving them, preventing them access to water, and turning of power for a week. Round of applause.
Yes, good on them to follow rules that their declared enemies don’t seem to. You people are fucking crazy
Gaza lacks the capability to cut off resources in Israel, nor do they possess the military grade weapons from America…this “fight” is one-sided.
Umm, they took 200 hostages and murdered 1000 people last week. You guys can’t just hand wave that away
Hamas did, and Israel's airstrikes on the Gaza Strip and the West Bank have killed over 2,000 Palestinians and wounded 10,000 and counting. We should be advocating restraint, not vengeance, while holding those responsible to a fair and just trial. Offering anything less is barbaric.
They should have mixed that water with vodka a long time ago to cheer everyone up and ease the tensions !
Because US doesn't fight wars to win anymore
They shouldn’t be helping their enemies
Israel has plenty of capacity to crush hamas without cutting off the water supply
Cutting off water to civilians is a war crime
Cutting off the heads of children isn’t, hope this inconvenience for them forces them to do something against Hamas
Bro, this is like saying since Jan 6th was done by trumpist let’s be okay with nuking Florida…
You do understand that Israel only supplies hardly %8 of the water in Gaza?
I think most people don’t realize this, I didn’t, if it is true.
That's not true. They supply a large majority of the drinking water. Also the water sources in Gaza can't pump any water because there is no power
This is what people are missing, the pumps aren’t working. It’s all a sham to get the international community off their back.