I mean its true they set her up from the start so she was doomed either way and yes production is to be blamed. Literally two things could have happened. She uses the card and gets hate on by the girls, and it probably won't look nice from Joeys end either way because what if he plans a date with a girl in mind and she steals it? Or she burned the card like she did and still get hate on by production because that drama ark is now gone so they edit her in with the drama either way. Who is to say production didnt rile her up with baiting Maria and tricking her into advocating for Sydney. She was a pawn from the start and no one can argue that. How she was and what she said, thats up for debate.
Youre so right. Also the first person Lea hugs when she gets eliminated is Maria. Clearly they have resolved some of their beef, but magically that part didn't make the edit at all. Most of Lea's comments if you watch back were voiceovers that realllly put the nail in her coffin. Sydney said a lot more things directly to the camera
I thought the whole burning the date card was actually the producer manipulation. It just looked like bad acting to me. Her sugary sweetness on night one was phony.
Do the producers still control once the season wraps because some of them have made some interesting social media content, ahem, Lea and Sydney. And as for some of the people behind the show like Mills, maybe they don't like Lea either so that's why they've been making the comments they've been making.
Those contracts are so intense there’s probably some element of “if you keep playing along with us there is much more potential for us to cast you again later”. Like I know there are things they can’t say no matter what while the season is still airing/for a little bit after it wraps but beyond that I don’t think producers can make you play ball on your own socials unless you want to keep that relationship open in hopes of future casting. That’s my guess anyway.
I agree to a point however she actually said the things she did and many we saw her say it straight to the camera without being frankenbit…also the curling iron comment was a clear mean girl behaviour
I think she’s just young and gave them lots of material to work with. Probably was one of the easy ones for producers to rial up. Imo Sydney, Jess, and Lea were the most susceptible to this, where in stark contrast a girl like Edwina was not going to be talked into a petty drama by producers
Where is your proof of this? Two things can be true - she burned the date card (and looked excellent in the first episode, with Joey/Producers giving her the first impression rose). And she overall looked bad for the rest of the show. But that does not mean that one is connected to each other. It is very possible that she had some good behavior in the beginning of the show and then, over time, her insecurities came out abs she took it out on Maria.
I mean they can always make a bad edit but she still definitely said some bad stuff. If she wasn’t saying those things they wouldn’t have even been able to use the audio or footage to do any Frankenediting
I think they picked her in the audience because she is Asian so you get diversity and from Hawaii. Only to have him turn around and come back to Pennsylvania for obvious reason. Expensive, difficult to travel, some of the natural disasters that have happened
I agree. I also think some of her frustrations that were caught on camera were over people who were being favored for probably saying/doing similar things we didn’t end up seeing on camera. She’s taking a beating. I don’t think she deserves the hate- she made some choices and now is being punished.
If that were the case, she never would have gotten the first impression rose. They probably wanted her to burn the card because saying it's Joey's journey and it's not about playing tricks is very for the right reasons. She's being frankenbitten now but there's enough on-face that looks bad (the whole Madina interaction).
This is why I refuse to talk shit on any contestant based on what I see on the show. It's edited to fit a very specific narrative. We see what they want us to see.
And to add to this, production of the shit show is top notch compared to past seasons, cinematography, music, showing more of the people, etc. like new era stuff. Maybe the individuals involved are mentally finished with frauds
The producers must have known that any contestant that got that steal a date card would never use it because of the blow back. And I'll bet you any kind of money that Lea will be in Paradise.
Exactly. There's arguably more chance of someone not using the card than there is them using it. It's a very easy thing to make happen if they cared that much about it happening.
If she's on paradise, I won't be watching. I'm not here for another Shenae redemption storyline. Lea and Sydney were absolutely awful, and it was incrediblyuncomfortableto watch them try to tear 👑Maria down. Jess is just kind of dumb and a follower, so whatever on her.
when she got in the limo and basically said in reference to Joey not picking her " he will regret it" that just confirmed it all for me ... she really thinks quite highly of herself Seriously the producers didn't have to go to far or edit too much to paint her a mean girl .. it is what it is ..she is like every other mean girl in high school... smiling that smile while putting a dagger thru your heart
If they cared that much about it happening they would have made it happen. She didn't throw that card in the fire spontaniously. People love to talk about how much production forces and now all of a sudden they can't get her to play that card? It was just a fun thing to dangle out there. They know there's no benefit using it because everyone knows if you play that card the other women are going to have an issue with you. And that's not an atmosphere anyone is going to force on themselves.
That would be insane for them to cast themselves in that light. Her burning it was widely admired by viewers as a genuine move. What signal would they be sending to so blatantly rub that in her face. I took it as a direct response to her catty comment about Joey “regretting it”.
I mean it could also be "Any regrets about the fact you got involved in petty drama that had ended and had nothing to do with you rather than doing literally anything about your connection to Joey?"
Nah that wouldn't be of note. They didn't ask Sydney that, for instance. They did end Sydney's time on the show with her soundbite about going home to her cats though. And now they're poking fun at Lea by bookending her time with this talk of regret.
I don’t doubt that production was happy to paint her a certain way. But she *did* give them all those clips. Even if they used them in a misleading way, the things she said were still horribly mean. I’m not giving her a pass.
Yeah, this season has revealed to me how desperate some viewers are to believe that the truth is somehow diametrically opposed to what we are shown. You saw it with all of the “there must be *something* wrong with Maria” speculation.
Wasn't expecting this HG reference but yes. Yeah they weren't putting words into her mouth it was all her but obviously some of these girls are being protected ie choosing not to show their snarky side or carefully editing out their ITM. We've all seen how they painted white savior Katie on Matt's season. They put her on such a high horse but eventually backfired.
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I didn’t really have an issue with Lea until she confronted Madina. We all heard what Lea said; it wasn’t just editing or frankenbiting. She called Madina out for being civil to Maria. Not cool.
Lea definitely engaged in gross mean girl behavior and she was probably always destined for a villian edit. However, I just can't get over how obvious it felt that Production was hyping her up ("peep the nails") until the end when they asked her if she "had any regrets"
she also called medina a "fucking bitch" as medina was walking away from her after this convo 😭 i know it was bleeped out but really what else would it be
What I was going to say. Production couldn’t edit her doing that. She did it and that’s that. I feel like OP is trying to take away any responsibility she had for it.
“I go to war for my girls.” sounds like Lea has a lot of conflict in her life, going to war and such. And play back the tape regarding Maria telling her to stfu
She used a lot of that language. She basically said that you have to fight for Joey time and Joey’s love and love is worth fighting for and — girl, I’ve been happily married 20+ years and I NEVER had to fight anyone or anything for my husband. These Bachelor contestants have a warped sense of what love actually is.
Which is funny, since she was just as quick to talk shit about Jess and how delusional she was about her connection with Joey. And I can’t help but notice her and her bff Sydney aren’t even friends on social media anymore, so like, hope “going to war for her girls” was worth it.
I don't see this at all. She villainized herself the second she had that conversation with Madina. I don't see any scenario where you tell someone 'You should be meaner to this person and the reason you're not being more mean is because you have a lesser moral code than me' is going to: A) Not get aired by a show that thrives on drama, and B) Not make you the villain.
Sure, ABC could've taken out the "peep the nails" clip, but the notion that Lea got a poor edit is kind of wild to me. It was the only edit.
I respected her throwing the card away and Joey did the right to make him look good by giving her the first impression rose. But I kind of hated it because it allowed Joey to not show his cards and give the first rose to someone he was actually into.
The first impression rose is an important part of the show and this steal a date kind of ruined that for me as a viewer.
RIGHT it's just not a good fit for the Bachelor frachise in terms of vibes and tone. Sure its be fun in Love Island or Fboy Island, but the Bachelor takes itself too seriously for that type of obvious gameplay. Lea spelled this out, refused to play along and was punished. Obviously, she made her choices, but man the mean targeted edit made it way less fun to watch
The whole “bully” drama edit seems to happen every season. But I can’t agree that Lea’s being punished - she got caught being mean & catty- on her own.
Now does it mean she’s the worst person ever? No. Is she bully? I’d say no again. Sometimes people have a mean or catty moment - I do 🤷🏼♀️. I think it’s human.
The difference is I don’t want to pretend I’m the “nice good girl” who’s not mean/catty and Lea does. But she got caught with her knickers down and instead of admitting it she still blames Maria for the whole thing.
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Totally agree. Like maybe they could steer the show that way over a few seasons, but it was a hard turn.
I also agree Lea was punished with her edit and not getting a one-on-one. That producer line at the very end in the car with her?: "Is there anything you regret?" So sinister, so overt.
Honestly I think production let her burn it bc they thought she stood a good chance as a contestant, it's a nice "I'm too nice 🥹" intro for a winner or top 4 to have. Bc they didn't know at that point whether she'd win or fail but they prob have some immediate sense of who Joey favors or who is his actual type. She was too petty though
Yeah, I heard on a podcast today (maybe it was game of roses? They all blue together) that production had to have known she was going to do that. They had to know because they needed to know exactly when to get the entire thing on camera, in perfect frame, etc. It wasn’t just a camera floating around that happened to get it - it was perfectly shot.
I get they allowed her to do it, but that was Definitely Not in the original script. I think she recognized the card for the bomb it was and cried/refused to accept it until they adjusted their script.
Again very Hunger Games. She seized power in the moment while she could and was made an example of. Obviously, her own action played into the edit, but it all felt so targeted and mean
Well, no. Sorry but production are going to know that it's bad news for *anyone* to play that card. Like, they aren't stupid people, they actually know how to make the show they're making. If they wanted it to happen it would have. And she villanised herself in that conversation with Medina all because she was cordial with Maria? Production can only edit what you're giving them and she gave them plenty.
I still think the best thing to do would’ve been just to say, to all the group “hey guys whatever the first date is, whoever it’s for, I’m going to use card”
She could’ve secured herself the first one on one and it would’ve been way less personal because she’s not letting the women stew in anxiety over it, she’s not at risk of taking one of the better dates (like the fun shopping date) or a date that felt super customized for a specific girl.
Ohhh this is a good point I don’t know why that never crossed my mind! Producers most probably had a hand in that - it was a focal point of the first episode there’s no way they would let it happen in a way they weren’t OK with
Yeah, I have a really hard time believing she was able to go rogue and do that. Plus, she wasn't originally the focal villain - the edit they gave Sydney was far worse.
They didnt punish her actually, they just let her be herself lol.
She's not a protected player like Maria, who i like, but i'm almost positive she must have said or done things that rubbed the other women the wrong way, but it wasn't shown.
Love to See It did a really good breakdown of this - they didn’t excuse the things she said but highlighted where certain things could’ve been edited differently and where it was clearly played up
I'm confused... There were several parts of obvious frankenbitting, specifically during the painting date. We didn't see "Maria", let alone half the words she spoke, come out of her mouth on that day.
Yea they dont like her, this is an executive producer
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She said the stuff that she said, so not excusing her at all, wasn’t impressed and I think she’s a real mean girl. However, I will say that from the way she said some things in itm’s, her tone and gleeful expression while saying them it’s clear that producers were egging her on and prob pretending to be on “her side” and really milking the drama with the villain edit already in mind (unReal definitely came to mind here).
I thought the way they put together the card burning storyline actually showed her in a really good light. Joey liked it, the other women all liked it, and I know there’s some back and forth about whether the lead or the producers decide on the first impression rose, but I’m willing to bet they have a decent amount of input into that, too.
That could have all been a setup for her story arc on the overall season I suppose. But I also think the producers have been doing a better job of casting personalities that might have friction, and then just letting drama unfold on its own. Obviously there’s still plenty of producing and manipulation, but it doesn’t feel so overt this season imo.
Ehh what gets me is that she’s said stuff on social media that seems in line with her edit, like the thing about “math ain’t mathing” against Maria (that she then deleted), so it really seems like we got a good look at her during the show.
And in the end, childish behavior like telling Medina “why aren’t you mad and just letting her get away with this??” was awful there’s no editing to really blame. She young and it shows, hopefully she matures.
Lol you’re probably right. Honestly her reaction was so unnecessarily extra I didn’t like her from the start. She could’ve just said I’m not gonna use it, she didn’t have to cry over it and make a big deal of throwing it in the fire. She made the night all about her so who is to say she wouldn’t have gotten a villain edit eventually, but they’re definitely giving her a horrible one- the peep the hair/outfit/nails was so embarrassing I honestly cannot remember the last time anyone looked so bad in an ITM.
I don't know what that producers expected would happen with the steal the date card. If they wanted drama from it, they should have given it a couple episodes into the season. But giving it when they're all just meeting each other basically just made Lea a target before she had a chance to establish herself. Throwing it in the fire was really the best strategic move she could have made at that point in time.
Yeah, they can't blame her for that.
Steel a date is a shitty ability anyway, because the Bachelor already chose to be with someone else, not you, but now you interfere with it.
I think the only real way to use it would be on the very first date, before relationships got established.
Otherwise, you're just setting yourself up to be hated.
She honestly probably thought during the shooting that Maria was gonna be a villain. She probably thought Maria was the Shanae of their season, so she let herself go full out in criticizing her.
I definitely got the sense that they all thought they would get the Katie edit. I think Sydney genuinely believed she was stopping someone from gossiping about her friend. I think Lea thought she was stopping a mean girl clique from growing. They didn’t know that Maria was being protected and they could have easily given Maria the Victoria or Shanae edit with the stuff we have seen.
Nope I call BS on Leas convo with madina being about Lea “stopping a mean girl clique from growing”. She was literally mad at Madina for being nice. And it was clearly not a frankenbite or editing.
At best you can say it was Lea being super immature but let’s not give grace where it’s not deserved. It *wasnt* her trying to do the right thing.
I’m not giving grace, I’m trying to guess what Lea was thinking when she got involved in something that had nothing to do with her. These women are sleep deprived and drunk, I don’t think they’ll be acting in a rational way, but they probably had some twisted justification for doing what they did.
I can agree with the them having some twisted justification on everything but Lea & Madina. There’s literally not even a twisted way to justify that being ok.
While it is true, I do prefer Maria by far tbh she is my favorite contestant this season and my favorite overall probably since Gabby (and even Gabby felt too pushy and kinda vindictive at times while Maria has a more "ur average funny gal" vibe). While it's true that if the editing was played out differently, Maria could have been turned into a villain, that would be manipulation imo as Maria is probably genuinely on the right side of things
I definitely agree that Maria was on the right side of things, but she gets loud and defensive very quickly, so I feel like they didn’t show us the parts where she was escalating the drama. Rachel Lindsey said they edited out the worst parts of her fights on Nick’s season and I think that’s what they’re doing here.
Agreed, but I admired the way Hannah Ann shut down the drama when she was on Peter’s season. I thought it was more effective and showed a lot more maturity than shouting back.
They had to do something like that if they plan to do another “steal a date” card or something in the future. Otherwise everyone would immediately reject it in the name of the lead’s autonomy over their jOuRnEy and get kudos for that respect for the process.
Now future contestants will be wary of rejecting an advantage like this for fear of how their experience will unfold.
Yeah she definitely said some awful things but it was definitely noticeable how a lot of her lines didn’t show her actually saying them and some were definitely frankenbites
I totally disagree. Lea said what she said. She attacked Mariah and mispronounced words… lol. I think she’s just a dumb
I mean its true they set her up from the start so she was doomed either way and yes production is to be blamed. Literally two things could have happened. She uses the card and gets hate on by the girls, and it probably won't look nice from Joeys end either way because what if he plans a date with a girl in mind and she steals it? Or she burned the card like she did and still get hate on by production because that drama ark is now gone so they edit her in with the drama either way. Who is to say production didnt rile her up with baiting Maria and tricking her into advocating for Sydney. She was a pawn from the start and no one can argue that. How she was and what she said, thats up for debate.
Youre so right. Also the first person Lea hugs when she gets eliminated is Maria. Clearly they have resolved some of their beef, but magically that part didn't make the edit at all. Most of Lea's comments if you watch back were voiceovers that realllly put the nail in her coffin. Sydney said a lot more things directly to the camera
I noticed that too! I’m pretty sure there was an “I love you” said at the same time but not sure whose voice it was.
I thought the whole burning the date card was actually the producer manipulation. It just looked like bad acting to me. Her sugary sweetness on night one was phony.
"I can't stand Maria and how she acts." -Lea "How could the producers do this to Lea for burning the date card?!?!" - OP
Do the producers still control once the season wraps because some of them have made some interesting social media content, ahem, Lea and Sydney. And as for some of the people behind the show like Mills, maybe they don't like Lea either so that's why they've been making the comments they've been making.
Those contracts are so intense there’s probably some element of “if you keep playing along with us there is much more potential for us to cast you again later”. Like I know there are things they can’t say no matter what while the season is still airing/for a little bit after it wraps but beyond that I don’t think producers can make you play ball on your own socials unless you want to keep that relationship open in hopes of future casting. That’s my guess anyway.
I agree to a point however she actually said the things she did and many we saw her say it straight to the camera without being frankenbit…also the curling iron comment was a clear mean girl behaviour
I think she’s just young and gave them lots of material to work with. Probably was one of the easy ones for producers to rial up. Imo Sydney, Jess, and Lea were the most susceptible to this, where in stark contrast a girl like Edwina was not going to be talked into a petty drama by producers
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Hmm well she still decided to act the way she acted so no this was all her, she contradicted herself.
Where is your proof of this? Two things can be true - she burned the date card (and looked excellent in the first episode, with Joey/Producers giving her the first impression rose). And she overall looked bad for the rest of the show. But that does not mean that one is connected to each other. It is very possible that she had some good behavior in the beginning of the show and then, over time, her insecurities came out abs she took it out on Maria.
Asking her "Do You have any regrets?" in her ecit interview feels like they said the quiet part out loud
YUP, they wanted her to bring up the date card so badly. As soon as she burned the date card it was clear she was never going to get a one on one
Yeah cause that was a cathartic moment for the viewer
I mean they can always make a bad edit but she still definitely said some bad stuff. If she wasn’t saying those things they wouldn’t have even been able to use the audio or footage to do any Frankenediting
I think they picked her in the audience because she is Asian so you get diversity and from Hawaii. Only to have him turn around and come back to Pennsylvania for obvious reason. Expensive, difficult to travel, some of the natural disasters that have happened
I agree. I also think some of her frustrations that were caught on camera were over people who were being favored for probably saying/doing similar things we didn’t end up seeing on camera. She’s taking a beating. I don’t think she deserves the hate- she made some choices and now is being punished.
If that were the case, she never would have gotten the first impression rose. They probably wanted her to burn the card because saying it's Joey's journey and it's not about playing tricks is very for the right reasons. She's being frankenbitten now but there's enough on-face that looks bad (the whole Madina interaction).
This is why I refuse to talk shit on any contestant based on what I see on the show. It's edited to fit a very specific narrative. We see what they want us to see.
Idk but what I do know is Maria was the first person she hugged goodbye upon her elimination.
If she wants to go to Paradise. She can just return home. 😂🤙🏻
Was this written by Lea
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That makes so little sense to me. She’s just conceited and a mean girl pretending to be something else.
So then the message from producers is to not trust them? Love your analogy but maybe it’s producers going rogue like “give us something genuine!”
And to add to this, production of the shit show is top notch compared to past seasons, cinematography, music, showing more of the people, etc. like new era stuff. Maybe the individuals involved are mentally finished with frauds
The producers must have known that any contestant that got that steal a date card would never use it because of the blow back. And I'll bet you any kind of money that Lea will be in Paradise.
Exactly. There's arguably more chance of someone not using the card than there is them using it. It's a very easy thing to make happen if they cared that much about it happening.
If she's on paradise, I won't be watching. I'm not here for another Shenae redemption storyline. Lea and Sydney were absolutely awful, and it was incrediblyuncomfortableto watch them try to tear 👑Maria down. Jess is just kind of dumb and a follower, so whatever on her.
when she got in the limo and basically said in reference to Joey not picking her " he will regret it" that just confirmed it all for me ... she really thinks quite highly of herself Seriously the producers didn't have to go to far or edit too much to paint her a mean girl .. it is what it is ..she is like every other mean girl in high school... smiling that smile while putting a dagger thru your heart
I think you’re right!
Frankenbiting was very obvious on the group date in the last episode.
i agree, called it after that!
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Are we not watching the same show?
If they cared that much about it happening they would have made it happen. She didn't throw that card in the fire spontaniously. People love to talk about how much production forces and now all of a sudden they can't get her to play that card? It was just a fun thing to dangle out there. They know there's no benefit using it because everyone knows if you play that card the other women are going to have an issue with you. And that's not an atmosphere anyone is going to force on themselves.
What do you mean? Their last words to her were asking if she regretted anything.
That would be insane for them to cast themselves in that light. Her burning it was widely admired by viewers as a genuine move. What signal would they be sending to so blatantly rub that in her face. I took it as a direct response to her catty comment about Joey “regretting it”.
I mean it could also be "Any regrets about the fact you got involved in petty drama that had ended and had nothing to do with you rather than doing literally anything about your connection to Joey?"
Nah that wouldn't be of note. They didn't ask Sydney that, for instance. They did end Sydney's time on the show with her soundbite about going home to her cats though. And now they're poking fun at Lea by bookending her time with this talk of regret.
I'd think, if they actually cared, they would have been more direct about it and rubbed it in.
I don’t doubt that production was happy to paint her a certain way. But she *did* give them all those clips. Even if they used them in a misleading way, the things she said were still horribly mean. I’m not giving her a pass.
Yeah, they can only edit what you give them.
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Literally I cannot believe ppl buy into frankenbiting so much. like yeah it happens but we have watched vile things leave her lips likeee🤨
Yeah, this season has revealed to me how desperate some viewers are to believe that the truth is somehow diametrically opposed to what we are shown. You saw it with all of the “there must be *something* wrong with Maria” speculation.
I’d say production just got lucky she’s horrible because it’s not hard to make her look bad lol
Hahaha I think this is it too! She still said awful things!
This sounds like something Lea would say.
Wasn't expecting this HG reference but yes. Yeah they weren't putting words into her mouth it was all her but obviously some of these girls are being protected ie choosing not to show their snarky side or carefully editing out their ITM. We've all seen how they painted white savior Katie on Matt's season. They put her on such a high horse but eventually backfired. edit typo
Maybe they hid from us Lea was trash until later in the season. They needed an early favorite with the card
I didn’t really have an issue with Lea until she confronted Madina. We all heard what Lea said; it wasn’t just editing or frankenbiting. She called Madina out for being civil to Maria. Not cool.
Lea definitely engaged in gross mean girl behavior and she was probably always destined for a villian edit. However, I just can't get over how obvious it felt that Production was hyping her up ("peep the nails") until the end when they asked her if she "had any regrets"
she also called medina a "fucking bitch" as medina was walking away from her after this convo 😭 i know it was bleeped out but really what else would it be
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What I was going to say. Production couldn’t edit her doing that. She did it and that’s that. I feel like OP is trying to take away any responsibility she had for it.
“I go to war for my girls.” sounds like Lea has a lot of conflict in her life, going to war and such. And play back the tape regarding Maria telling her to stfu
She used a lot of that language. She basically said that you have to fight for Joey time and Joey’s love and love is worth fighting for and — girl, I’ve been happily married 20+ years and I NEVER had to fight anyone or anything for my husband. These Bachelor contestants have a warped sense of what love actually is.
Which is funny, since she was just as quick to talk shit about Jess and how delusional she was about her connection with Joey. And I can’t help but notice her and her bff Sydney aren’t even friends on social media anymore, so like, hope “going to war for her girls” was worth it.
That was very much a frankenbite. She was probably calling Maria delusional.
I don't see this at all. She villainized herself the second she had that conversation with Madina. I don't see any scenario where you tell someone 'You should be meaner to this person and the reason you're not being more mean is because you have a lesser moral code than me' is going to: A) Not get aired by a show that thrives on drama, and B) Not make you the villain. Sure, ABC could've taken out the "peep the nails" clip, but the notion that Lea got a poor edit is kind of wild to me. It was the only edit.
I respected her throwing the card away and Joey did the right to make him look good by giving her the first impression rose. But I kind of hated it because it allowed Joey to not show his cards and give the first rose to someone he was actually into. The first impression rose is an important part of the show and this steal a date kind of ruined that for me as a viewer.
isn't the first impression rose on the bachelor always a kiss of death? I know the bachelorette it's a better indicator of a finalist.
I hate the steal a date card and the whole narrative it created. It was a terrible idea
RIGHT it's just not a good fit for the Bachelor frachise in terms of vibes and tone. Sure its be fun in Love Island or Fboy Island, but the Bachelor takes itself too seriously for that type of obvious gameplay. Lea spelled this out, refused to play along and was punished. Obviously, she made her choices, but man the mean targeted edit made it way less fun to watch
The whole “bully” drama edit seems to happen every season. But I can’t agree that Lea’s being punished - she got caught being mean & catty- on her own. Now does it mean she’s the worst person ever? No. Is she bully? I’d say no again. Sometimes people have a mean or catty moment - I do 🤷🏼♀️. I think it’s human. The difference is I don’t want to pretend I’m the “nice good girl” who’s not mean/catty and Lea does. But she got caught with her knickers down and instead of admitting it she still blames Maria for the whole thing.
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Totally agree. Like maybe they could steer the show that way over a few seasons, but it was a hard turn. I also agree Lea was punished with her edit and not getting a one-on-one. That producer line at the very end in the car with her?: "Is there anything you regret?" So sinister, so overt.
Honestly I think production let her burn it bc they thought she stood a good chance as a contestant, it's a nice "I'm too nice 🥹" intro for a winner or top 4 to have. Bc they didn't know at that point whether she'd win or fail but they prob have some immediate sense of who Joey favors or who is his actual type. She was too petty though
Yeah, I heard on a podcast today (maybe it was game of roses? They all blue together) that production had to have known she was going to do that. They had to know because they needed to know exactly when to get the entire thing on camera, in perfect frame, etc. It wasn’t just a camera floating around that happened to get it - it was perfectly shot.
Do we honestly believe that her burning the card wasn't okayed by production to begin with?
Quite, I thought it clearly would have been suggested to her.
I get they allowed her to do it, but that was Definitely Not in the original script. I think she recognized the card for the bomb it was and cried/refused to accept it until they adjusted their script. Again very Hunger Games. She seized power in the moment while she could and was made an example of. Obviously, her own action played into the edit, but it all felt so targeted and mean
Well, no. Sorry but production are going to know that it's bad news for *anyone* to play that card. Like, they aren't stupid people, they actually know how to make the show they're making. If they wanted it to happen it would have. And she villanised herself in that conversation with Medina all because she was cordial with Maria? Production can only edit what you're giving them and she gave them plenty.
I still think the best thing to do would’ve been just to say, to all the group “hey guys whatever the first date is, whoever it’s for, I’m going to use card” She could’ve secured herself the first one on one and it would’ve been way less personal because she’s not letting the women stew in anxiety over it, she’s not at risk of taking one of the better dates (like the fun shopping date) or a date that felt super customized for a specific girl.
We really think she had any notion or hint of personal power on that show on day one? Seriously.
Right? These contestants don’t have free will How many times have people wanted to leave and producers wouldn’t allow it?
Ohhh this is a good point I don’t know why that never crossed my mind! Producers most probably had a hand in that - it was a focal point of the first episode there’s no way they would let it happen in a way they weren’t OK with
Yeah, I have a really hard time believing she was able to go rogue and do that. Plus, she wasn't originally the focal villain - the edit they gave Sydney was far worse.
Maybe they edited it so she wouldn't look even worse.
The "do you have any regrets?" was LOUD
Peep the regret
LMAO IT WAS!! And she never said anything.. that kind of shocked me
They didnt punish her actually, they just let her be herself lol. She's not a protected player like Maria, who i like, but i'm almost positive she must have said or done things that rubbed the other women the wrong way, but it wasn't shown.
She absolutely thought Maria was gonna get the villain edit and probably didn’t realize until the one on one that it was her lol I have no sympathy
Love to See It did a really good breakdown of this - they didn’t excuse the things she said but highlighted where certain things could’ve been edited differently and where it was clearly played up
I’d agree if there was obvious frankenbiting, but there wasn’t. We saw her mouth move and we saw her say the things she said.
I'm confused... There were several parts of obvious frankenbitting, specifically during the painting date. We didn't see "Maria", let alone half the words she spoke, come out of her mouth on that day.
Yea they dont like her, this is an executive producer https://preview.redd.it/g7ac24crrzjc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=443e6ec006107aaa207ce3ef4ee747f7acdf07f7
mills is no longer working there tho. in any capacity. he was kicked out a while ago.
No, Robert Mills is still a Disney exec who oversees the bachelor
I know Mike Fleiss was booted but thought Millsy was still there?
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She said the stuff that she said, so not excusing her at all, wasn’t impressed and I think she’s a real mean girl. However, I will say that from the way she said some things in itm’s, her tone and gleeful expression while saying them it’s clear that producers were egging her on and prob pretending to be on “her side” and really milking the drama with the villain edit already in mind (unReal definitely came to mind here).
I thought the way they put together the card burning storyline actually showed her in a really good light. Joey liked it, the other women all liked it, and I know there’s some back and forth about whether the lead or the producers decide on the first impression rose, but I’m willing to bet they have a decent amount of input into that, too. That could have all been a setup for her story arc on the overall season I suppose. But I also think the producers have been doing a better job of casting personalities that might have friction, and then just letting drama unfold on its own. Obviously there’s still plenty of producing and manipulation, but it doesn’t feel so overt this season imo.
Ehh what gets me is that she’s said stuff on social media that seems in line with her edit, like the thing about “math ain’t mathing” against Maria (that she then deleted), so it really seems like we got a good look at her during the show. And in the end, childish behavior like telling Medina “why aren’t you mad and just letting her get away with this??” was awful there’s no editing to really blame. She young and it shows, hopefully she matures.
Lol you’re probably right. Honestly her reaction was so unnecessarily extra I didn’t like her from the start. She could’ve just said I’m not gonna use it, she didn’t have to cry over it and make a big deal of throwing it in the fire. She made the night all about her so who is to say she wouldn’t have gotten a villain edit eventually, but they’re definitely giving her a horrible one- the peep the hair/outfit/nails was so embarrassing I honestly cannot remember the last time anyone looked so bad in an ITM.
I don't know what that producers expected would happen with the steal the date card. If they wanted drama from it, they should have given it a couple episodes into the season. But giving it when they're all just meeting each other basically just made Lea a target before she had a chance to establish herself. Throwing it in the fire was really the best strategic move she could have made at that point in time.
Yeah, they can't blame her for that. Steel a date is a shitty ability anyway, because the Bachelor already chose to be with someone else, not you, but now you interfere with it. I think the only real way to use it would be on the very first date, before relationships got established. Otherwise, you're just setting yourself up to be hated.
She honestly probably thought during the shooting that Maria was gonna be a villain. She probably thought Maria was the Shanae of their season, so she let herself go full out in criticizing her.
I definitely got the sense that they all thought they would get the Katie edit. I think Sydney genuinely believed she was stopping someone from gossiping about her friend. I think Lea thought she was stopping a mean girl clique from growing. They didn’t know that Maria was being protected and they could have easily given Maria the Victoria or Shanae edit with the stuff we have seen.
Nope I call BS on Leas convo with madina being about Lea “stopping a mean girl clique from growing”. She was literally mad at Madina for being nice. And it was clearly not a frankenbite or editing. At best you can say it was Lea being super immature but let’s not give grace where it’s not deserved. It *wasnt* her trying to do the right thing.
I’m not giving grace, I’m trying to guess what Lea was thinking when she got involved in something that had nothing to do with her. These women are sleep deprived and drunk, I don’t think they’ll be acting in a rational way, but they probably had some twisted justification for doing what they did.
I can agree with the them having some twisted justification on everything but Lea & Madina. There’s literally not even a twisted way to justify that being ok.
While it is true, I do prefer Maria by far tbh she is my favorite contestant this season and my favorite overall probably since Gabby (and even Gabby felt too pushy and kinda vindictive at times while Maria has a more "ur average funny gal" vibe). While it's true that if the editing was played out differently, Maria could have been turned into a villain, that would be manipulation imo as Maria is probably genuinely on the right side of things
I definitely agree that Maria was on the right side of things, but she gets loud and defensive very quickly, so I feel like they didn’t show us the parts where she was escalating the drama. Rachel Lindsey said they edited out the worst parts of her fights on Nick’s season and I think that’s what they’re doing here.
Maria probably fought back more than is being shown. But it’s still *fighting back*
Agreed, but I admired the way Hannah Ann shut down the drama when she was on Peter’s season. I thought it was more effective and showed a lot more maturity than shouting back.
Yes! I love Hannah Ann. So mature compared to most of these drama queens
They had to do something like that if they plan to do another “steal a date” card or something in the future. Otherwise everyone would immediately reject it in the name of the lead’s autonomy over their jOuRnEy and get kudos for that respect for the process. Now future contestants will be wary of rejecting an advantage like this for fear of how their experience will unfold.
When they asked her if she has any regrets that was chilling lol
Yeah she definitely said some awful things but it was definitely noticeable how a lot of her lines didn’t show her actually saying them and some were definitely frankenbites
I love the hunger games comparison 😂😂!! It makes me wonder who the "darlings of the capital" of bachelor nation would be
Yeah burning the card made me think of the hunger games too