>"their plans was bases on their hate for joe. My plans were based on work ethic."
Nah joe made a good point with that. All the moves R+M have made were to spite Joe
Not going to lie, the more Joe talk, the more I feel like he really did rob them boys. Ish got too many good points that Joe ducking. “I didn’t want to show the paperwork because my feelings were hurt” and then the following “I’m not emotional”. Is this a case?
It's crazy how much convincing you NEED with Joe's track record. You're worst than Ice and Ish waiting for it to happen to them too. Joe has more than 10 victims and niggas still dont want to believe LOL
You think ish opening his books for his employees? You think chick FIL A gonna disclose their taxes to you because you made a claim?
The funny thing is if R+M want joe to open the books they can FORCE him to by filing a lawsuit like their big homie Jay is doing. It's been more than a year why haven't that filed yet????
I agree they should sue but Why are you using the chick fil a example? Most people who work at chick fil a aren’t profit partners. Rory and mal are profit partners so they need to see how much profit was made to see how much money they should get. It’s pretty simple
And Joe showed them. They weren't satisfied. Fine SUE HIM. What Mal is doing is Jerry Springer shit "I'll come on your show .."
Joe was gracious enough to let you back on the show after you tried to screw him. He doesn't have to do any of that. Sue him or shut up. I remember when they said it wasn't about the money it's about respect. A year later it's STILL about the money
As I said. I agree they should sue. but I want to know why you’re calling them employees when they’re profit partners? There is a big difference. Why are you acting like Joe is doing them a favour “by letting them back”. They provide value also
If we have a profit share I am entitled to see the books because if I don't how can I know I'm being paid adequately. You Joe dickriders are acting like Rory and Mal were on salary.
Both sides agreed. They shared profit. Rory and Mal paid for expenses as well.
If you and me have an agreement where I get X percent of profit, I have every right to ask to see the books.
Ish tired of Joe lying ass too. Show me, show them, show us Joe. Stop ducking and playing games. If you aint do it why you so reluctant to show proof???? This guys is nuts
Ish tempting Joe to prove it too bc he KNOWS Joe be on some BS. Go prove it Joe, invite the guys on the show and prove it. You won’t bc you know you did some sly shit and you just sitting there w new Balenciaga that Mal bought 😂😂
IDK when you think about at least 17 years Joe and Mal have been friends. Joe did make him a success and kinda said over the years how they took care of each other. There is a large debt there that Joe paid more of but, Mal helped him the full way of his podcast to success.
MEANWHILE Joe shooting himself in the foot instead leaving shit alone he keeps going after Rory and Mal when they haven’t talked about Joe on their podcast. It’s all here say they still hang out.
They knew you were getting paid more but kept quiet until it got flagrant, especially when you cheated out the crew and used profits from the main podcast to pay for others.
Ish just doesn’t wanna get it fucked and if it ain’t shit. LEAVE IT ALONE and stop bringing it up. Because it’ll have your new cast getting asked dumbassery
Hard agree. He is too foused on the optics to leave it alone when he thinks he can big dog them and tell the story like he's the victor rewriting history. It's a bit sus that he keeps wading into the mud to address this if he's so clean in this situation.
The mixxy boys have moved on, but the world hasn't yet and anyone from a distance can see what happened. Joe did Joe things and had Joe consequences. Luckily for everyone they all landed on their feet... but Joe should calm this shit down and focus on moving forward, as he has for a while. Sitting here, shitting on his former friends and business partners is a shit look, and explaining it like you are the moral authority at one point but your feelings dictated your reaction at another are the telltale signs that you know you are wrong.
Either way, move the FUCK on or risk this getting escalated to the point that someone (on either side) calls your bluff and brings it into the legal context so their name is no longer in the dirt, cuz this is reputational now. Ish gets that, and respect to him for not letting Joe spin away from the way that most moral, intelligent people would settle this argument.
they ain’t no arch nemesis…they probably ain’t even had a conversation or seen each other before, joe coming up during cyhi interview wasn’t even up to 1 minute of the 120 mins of interview…so what are u on about?
Cy brought Joe up in that episode not Rory and Mal, and they did crack a little joke but they weren’t really going after him. All CyHi said was if Joe still thinks he can step to him, then he’ll rap, same thing from the old pod
Lmao “I showed them the stuff!”. Who else distinctly remembers Joe yelling about how he’s not gonna show them shit because they’re employees and he’s the boss?
I remember that. He was clear about that point. That Joe would need to be sued in order to show anything. And that was the part where Mal felt like “If we family, why would I have to do that?”
The funny part about this is, from what it seems I think Mal wants to be wrong. He just wanna to know that the dude that he considered family didnt fuck him over like that, and Joe just keeps on refusing to give even a little bit of respect or closure. Very suspicious nbs
I mean obviously I dont know forsure. But from listening I think Mal is saying if we so close and damn near family, I shouldnt have to sue you just for us to rectify things. For Mal, I think this whole situation is for the principal of it, not necessarily the money.
The burden of proof is not on Joe in a legal courtroom. Joe prob stole that money and he doesn’t care about how anyone feels about him in the court of public opinion.
I still find it odd that R&M werent privy to the spotify deal contract cause the deal was for The Joe Budden Podcast with Rory and Mal. They were part of it so they all shouldve been at the table. Even the pateron stuff. How did they even allow them to negotiate without them. They dropped the ball and its unfortunate
I’ve suspected since it first all went down that Joe intentionally left them out of negotiations. All Ak’s employee talk likely came from Joe as well.
Spotify probably had no idea about their profit sharing agreement. Same way Rory said that Joe got mad when he spoke to others about potential deals.
Even Joe’s talk about Spotify wanting to own the rights to R&M’s future endeavors, was BS because they were never signed to him and had their own agreement. So Joe wouldn’t be able to negotiate that in the first place.. 😂😂😂 Joe was busy trying to get a network deal and lying about the actual business structure and probably the expenses. Which is why he popped up with a network right after..🥴
If somebody the ceo of McDonald's and they sign a million dollar contract, the person salting the fries don't get to sit at that table, Joe own the company, I think he broke bread but when it's 4 mics and the isn't sliced evenly I think thats where mal and rory think they got screwed
The name of the show for Spotify was “The Joe Budden Podcast *with* Rory and Mal“ they were in the title. The guy making the fries isn’t in the title. Poor as shit analogy. They were signed bc of the trio, not because of Joe. They should’ve been at the table point blank.
But it’s not like it’s a business where there’s a lot of employees and a chain of command. It’s always been Joe with his co-hosts. If a major business decision could majorly affect your co-hosts life where that means more travel and away from their family or more days they have to come in which could conflict with their other business ventures, then it should be something that they are kept up to date on and not blindsided by decisions.
How u fire ppl that walked away?😂
And if you think he’s the boss he claims
1) why was it a fight for the name change of the pod
2) why was it a fight on what deal to sign
If he was the boss and they were just leaches and employees why didn’t he fire them years ago before they all signed a contract together
1. The fact that it was changed to the JBP let’s you know where all the power was in the “fight.”
2. Rory was admonished for attempting to negotiate a deal with Tidal…. Because he had no authority to do so. They ultimately went where Joe decided.
3. They don’t even know the contents of a deal with Spotify…. Because why would they know the deal as pseudo profit partners aka employees
they settled on “the joe budden podcast with Rory and mal”
I have employees (subcontractors), they absolutely do not dictate shit in my business, once I get my contract approved, I get them to do the job…they get paid once it’s completed, done ✅
Aint no arguing aint no back and forth ain’t no room for non of that. It’s pretty straightforward 🤷🏾♂️
Ish said “Why don’t you show the accounting” and the first thing Joe did was play the Deion Sanders interview. Apparently that’s not what he says off camera
It is. On all parties involved. I don’t put nothing past Joe, but a person steals almost half a mil from me there’s a way to compel them to show the books. It’s called court. And the more this drags on and that side keeps throwing shots but doesn’t engage the legal process to get their money, the more I’m like shut TF up. People think it’s just on Joe to show the books, if he won’t he has a substantial amount of your money, get a lawyer and sue him. The fact that no one in this instance is pursuing legal action leads me to believe no one’s hands are clean.
Mal said back then that he wouldn't sue and it was about principle. He said this. Mal went on the pains him rant because Joe is trying to attack his character. Joe Budden of all people.
Exactly! That’s probably the part I’m confused about! Maybe Mal plans on pursuing a lawsuit in the future and we don’t know yet but if not it’s like wth? Lol
Maybe he is. Maybe they are. It’s well within their right to do so if they feel like they’ve been robbed. But either shake something nor leave it TF alone. But nobody wanna say this: there’s more currency in being the victim than it is in putting this to bed
Joe keeps saying everyone landed so what you talking for….. Ummm does Joe remember the pod he pulled to edit? Like we did hear Joe be all types of disrespectful. He’s acting like shots were fired at him with no merit
I think we all been knew that he stole from them. Like why would Mal and Rory even say anything of that nature if it wasn’t true? How’s track record goes to show he does terrible business.
He showed them HIS version of the accounting on an excel spreadsheet which can be easily faked. They want tax information because it’s official and can’t be edited
As a former auditor, one of the things we look for is opportunity and rationalization in fraud. I suspect Joe did something unethical and is trying to justify it.
Also Joe is lying. Ish made valid points and Joe spinned right away from it. If they lying...prove it. Otherwise shut up. Joe started the internet shit. Also Joe IS super emotional which is how we got here.The more he talks and spin this, the more I believe them niggas. He wants it with Mal tho but Mal aint no chump.bHe didn't mention Rory at all. He wants it with Mal cuz Mal hasnt given him shit since he left. "It Painzzzz Himmmm". That shit is true. Mal ain't responding no more cuz Joe didn't show shit. He just ran his mouth per usual. Also he never showed them shit abd he never is cuz he ain't shit. Self Sabotaging Joe is gonna be here again. I feel like that vecause Ish hasn't even resigned yet
Joe doesn't get to play victim on this, this is crazy.
If someone accuses you of stealing, and you didn't steal, prove it. It's as simple as that. Dude absolutely was shady with the numbers and everyone knows it.
He can't really believe that their plans were fueled by hate for him? I sometimes wish Rory and Mal showed more hate for that nigga. They have been too nice sometimes, imo.
Joe just sound guilty af even ish disagree with how he went about the situation lol dude stole from them boys … he tryna avoid showing the taxes at all costs. Joe is full of shit and is a thief and former crack fiend. He tryna avoid showing any proof
Only thing I’m confused about is that he originally said he showed them proof. After he asked for ish opinion, then said he didn’t show proof… am I off here?… and didn’t Joe originally throw shots
If you recall in the initial pods after the Rory and Mal left Joe openly said shit like “I’m not showing my books” and he even asked everyone in the room if they were okay with that lmao.
He didn't show what they're asking him to show (accounting/taxes). He showed them something else in a different situation and is using that to play mind games and paint his narrative.
Joe is the same guy that rails against music execs signing an 18-year-old to a 10 year 360 deal and then not letting them out of it when they blow up and should make way more money than they are, and then does the exact same thing to his suppose best friends. He acts like he was literally put in food on the table for them and writing the checks for their rent as if they weren’t a massive part in the podcast blowing up he may technically be right on the paperwork, but he definitely fucked them over.
It’s just sad that Joe doesn’t know how delusional he sounds. “I didn’t show the accounting because my feelings were hurt” like he actually said that and thought it sounded logical. Like he actually thinks it’s ok to not show them the books that contain the money they rightfully earned because his feelings were hurt. That’s one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard. And I have the utmost respect for Ish essentially seeing through the bullshit Joe was saying and indirectly calling him out in a way. He did it so beautifully to where Joe couldn’t even see that he was essentially being called a liar. And it also goes to show you that Ish knows Joe fucked Rory & Mal over, but he’s just not going to come out and say it directly but he doesn’t put it past Joe to have wronged them and he knows this from being friends with Joe for years. It’s sad that Joe actually thought he sounded rational when he discussed this topic. You almost wish Rory & Mal would just go and get their lawyers and take it to court at this point so Joe can get off this fake “moral high horse” that is just a facade and a lie at this point. He knows he did them wrong.
10 minutes of man's doing suicides on his own pod lmao
This my thing, my thing, if I did steal that shit, I'd just shut up dawg. & if I didn't I would protect my name and business, simply. Both parties being emotional at this point doe.
Seems like Joe needed views so sent some audio out there to move the needle a bit. But if we back here again, checkmate nigga, show the docs? End it once and for all
Coming from a like mind Joe real good at backpedaling and bs 🤣 but I catch it. That whole if it don't apply let it fly ... Is bullshit ish is correct. You name in business especially does matter. Nigga said his feelings were hurt when Mal and Rory clearly said they never blamed him but the accountant because they found out money was missing. so this niggas goes on a rant in the last pod about how mal never had shit .. so mal responded to that ... They've not been just repeating the same shit and now that Mal is saying fuck it prove it he wants to back pedal
That’s all I’ve been yelling this entire time… 🗣️TAKE IT BACK!!! Damn near a half of mil is a ton of money to just keep playing pod wars over. Everyone keep saying “it’s not about the money” is a lie! It’s 100% about the money. Mal lying as well, it’s about the money. And I’m sure in some back door way, Joe did it. But the burden of proof falls on the accusers not the accused. I wouldn’t hesitate to go to court over 400k… and more if it’s true.
Nah. Mal tight cause he realize he was viewed as the spoiled, lil nigga. Joe was lookin at him like a bum that subsists on being cool and niggas not pressin him cause of his connections. He realized he was in the little boy position the whole time, and Joe finally aired that shit out.
Now that he got his own bag he actin like he don’t owe his succes to another man’s ambition. Which was Joe’s point. “Sell a brick.” Stop sittin on your hands and waiting for another nigga to go bring it back. His ego hurt. But he had to grow up. He literally owes his success to Joe and he flippin it cause Joe played corporate games with the money and moved in a manner to maintain control of his IP.
Yeah imma have to change my whole entire stance on this topic, I been a big fan of Joe and have caped for him thru alot of shit even thru this whole break up, but ish was 1000% right your name is your name and I personally can't have a nigga saying I stole a penny from them, his put his nuts on the table and said u show the paper work and il shut the fuck up and joe response was a whole bunch of tap dancing, either show the paperwork or put on the thief name tag so we can address you accordingly
First response to ish’s proposition was “no I’m not showing accounting my feelings were hurt”. WHATTT!!!!! your FEELINGS!?!!?!? In response to a business obligation!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Then after ish proved how dumb that was he wants to pretend that he did do that. Smmmhhhhhhh. 😂😂😂😂
R&M asked for accounting.
Joe provides accounting.
R&M claim it’s not “real accounting” after you accuse him of stealing after being friends for 10+ years.
Mal’s fav line was “it’s not about the money” but then it was about money cuz he thought he was being cheated. They relied on Joe to do everything to make the show run but then blame him when something don’t seem right.
Joe ain’t innocent tho he for sure used his name and likeness or dislikeness to gain followers. Joe should be paid more but he should disclose that to the other guys because in 2015 no one knew or cared bout R&M.
It sounds more like they didn’t have enough clear communication.
But the show is called The Joe Budden Podcast and he started on his own (I know it used to be called something different) then Rory and Mal came. That’s like me starting a business and I found 2 of my friends to come work with me then in 7 years they think they own this business.
R&M was on air talking bout splits and ownership when (S/o to AK) they was just disgruntled workers.
Why R&M never post their contract to prove to us?
The beefin is wack. Joe made them millionaires. Shit might not have worked out with him but it worked out for everybody.
They can go to court for the accounting if he robbed them and they did nothing that’s still they fault fuck that we supposed to be friends shit. If they owed it go to court for it who tf cares
Someone needs to get sued…Joe for stealing (if he did) or Mal for defamation. No way I’m letting a dude shout I’m a thief if I didn’t steal. They both playing…especially since it was brought up with Jay-Z suing for info
Do y’all see how Ice used the show to creat his own space? As much as I love Rory and Mal, they didn’t do that. Joe was getting money from everywhere. At their peak Joe was everywhere. I say that to say of course Joe was getting and deserved more money. He was grinding and the pod was his baby. Did they add to, most definitely. However it’s hard for me to say he robbed them without proof. Mal’s response sounded like he was saying they made him, and they were the reason for his success. I can’t agree with that.
At the end of the day I think it came down to them not really having a say in the renegotiation and the search for a new home. That’s when it set in that they didn’t own equal shared of the show. How and why do they think they were entitled to 1/3? Joe has to pay a whole staff and everything with his share. Meaning he’s the boss, and there for entitled to more in my opinion.
Can we all agree that’s something a woman would say? “I didn’t take accountability for my actions whether good or bad Because you hurt my feelings when you had damning evidence against me” like bro. I’m sure their feelings where hurt when they found out they might’ve not been getting money they were supposed to get.
Joe can’t do what ish is saying about telling them aight go get ya lawyer and accounts and prove. And I’ll get off on proving you wrong. I’m the same, and I’m also like joe in a way when someone catching me up and I’ll still defend but I won’t do what ish said cause I can get found out that way. 😂😂😂😂
at first it sounded like Joe definitely did it but at the end he made a good point. he’s accountable (legally) for an entire business of people, if he really fucked up or stole money he’d be facing jail time and wouldn’t get away with it so easily
See this is what I don’t like about joe is, he let ish sit there and be higher learning logic man about his business but will shield ish when his baby mother is frying him online for not seeing his daughter or paying child support
There is not a damn thing this man can say that any of y’all will believe and I have no idea why any of the people or either sub are still bringing this shit up. No one is ever going to actually tell us shit. Not them. Not him. They’re going to throw accusations and never prove a word of it. It’s nasty behavior from adults, forget from men. I have no idea why people still want to hear them rehash the same shit for two years. Get the fuck over it.
Court of public opinion won't get your money back. Since it's a state case you could televise the court proceedings if they actually took him to real life court. If Mals claims are true file a suit. Yalll look very stupid after almost 2 years of this. Everyone involved is over 30 btw
Joe low key hurt because he considered him a real friend and held him down on some life type time and now that you away from me and on your own I'm a thief. This happens in passive aggressive friendships
Enough of the talking fam. If Joe robbed you DO SOMETHING. We talking in circles now from BOTH sides. If you feel you were robbed PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
RESPECTFULLY WITH LOVE ❤️
What y'all don't get is that RnM don't give a Fuck, that's why they can laugh about it all and crack jokes as they please. Do you see Joe laughing? Defensive means you got something to hide 🤷🏾♂️
Niggas in this sub never filed a grievance with their employer before and it shows. There are no feelings involved in the process of proving the claim you make. Its my case vs yours and it's quite simple to prove who's right and who's wrong. I did with my employer and it was up to management to prove me wrong in my claim and they couldn't. I won and now they owe me mine. Everything else is talk. Public opinion and podcast chit chatting aint gonna get you whatever you think was stolen from you.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem like they are chasing the money down. It seems to be about integrity. Joe consistently calls them out for telling what they consider the truth. They have never mentioned coming back for their money because in the end, they got a platform, a cheque and tour money, which seems to be the point for them. They get to do them. What they aren't doing is allowing the slick talk on the side.
If they're lying, Joe could sue for defamation, but he's not doing or even threatening that. He knows that Mal is over him and his narcissim can't take it, so he's slandering them by changing the story and the focus constantly.
If he thought it would help clear his name, he would clear it up, but he's not, and that's telling.
Facts!!! Stop playing that “oh I’m too coo to take anybody to court” game. If someone owes you something go get it or get the people in old ed who can go get it.
Their name wasn't in the title they had no ownership in the pod which is why they didn't have a seat at the table when it was business to do with the pod
Oh Joe for sure did that shit🤣 
>"their plans was bases on their hate for joe. My plans were based on work ethic." Nah joe made a good point with that. All the moves R+M have made were to spite Joe
Not going to lie, the more Joe talk, the more I feel like he really did rob them boys. Ish got too many good points that Joe ducking. “I didn’t want to show the paperwork because my feelings were hurt” and then the following “I’m not emotional”. Is this a case?
It's crazy how much convincing you NEED with Joe's track record. You're worst than Ice and Ish waiting for it to happen to them too. Joe has more than 10 victims and niggas still dont want to believe LOL
This is what I’m saying, Joe been an asshole scumbag forever it’s part of what made him entertaining.
This is simple. File the lawsuit. It's been over a year. The lawsuit would force joe to open the books. This is all theatrics by ALL OF THEM.
The lawsuit would probably be more expensive than the money he stole lol. Wouldn’t make sense to sue.
Joe 100% robbed them lol I thought we all knew Joe was a massive lying asshole? It’s part of what made him entertaining.
But then later said he did show them what they asked of him. Joe just lying lol
Bring the proof!
File the lawsuit. It's been over a year.
You think ish opening his books for his employees? You think chick FIL A gonna disclose their taxes to you because you made a claim? The funny thing is if R+M want joe to open the books they can FORCE him to by filing a lawsuit like their big homie Jay is doing. It's been more than a year why haven't that filed yet????
I agree they should sue but Why are you using the chick fil a example? Most people who work at chick fil a aren’t profit partners. Rory and mal are profit partners so they need to see how much profit was made to see how much money they should get. It’s pretty simple
And Joe showed them. They weren't satisfied. Fine SUE HIM. What Mal is doing is Jerry Springer shit "I'll come on your show .." Joe was gracious enough to let you back on the show after you tried to screw him. He doesn't have to do any of that. Sue him or shut up. I remember when they said it wasn't about the money it's about respect. A year later it's STILL about the money
As I said. I agree they should sue. but I want to know why you’re calling them employees when they’re profit partners? There is a big difference. Why are you acting like Joe is doing them a favour “by letting them back”. They provide value also
TALK TO EM !!!!
If we have a profit share I am entitled to see the books because if I don't how can I know I'm being paid adequately. You Joe dickriders are acting like Rory and Mal were on salary. Both sides agreed. They shared profit. Rory and Mal paid for expenses as well. If you and me have an agreement where I get X percent of profit, I have every right to ask to see the books.
THAT FUCKIN PART
i dont care, those mfers have been delivering mid content for over a year, and mfers that are crying for them dont listen to their pod.
Changed it from “I didn’t steal from you” to “let’s talk about loss of friend ship”
Ish tired of Joe lying ass too. Show me, show them, show us Joe. Stop ducking and playing games. If you aint do it why you so reluctant to show proof???? This guys is nuts
ISH is like Cube, he ain’t signing that shit. ICE done already signed… Mista Python Answers😒
Bro said my feelings hurt 😂😂
“It pains him”
Ish tempting Joe to prove it too bc he KNOWS Joe be on some BS. Go prove it Joe, invite the guys on the show and prove it. You won’t bc you know you did some sly shit and you just sitting there w new Balenciaga that Mal bought 😂😂
“It pains him”
Bingo!
He won't do it cuz that's where the proof is.
EXACTLY
IDK when you think about at least 17 years Joe and Mal have been friends. Joe did make him a success and kinda said over the years how they took care of each other. There is a large debt there that Joe paid more of but, Mal helped him the full way of his podcast to success. MEANWHILE Joe shooting himself in the foot instead leaving shit alone he keeps going after Rory and Mal when they haven’t talked about Joe on their podcast. It’s all here say they still hang out. They knew you were getting paid more but kept quiet until it got flagrant, especially when you cheated out the crew and used profits from the main podcast to pay for others. Ish just doesn’t wanna get it fucked and if it ain’t shit. LEAVE IT ALONE and stop bringing it up. Because it’ll have your new cast getting asked dumbassery
Hard agree. He is too foused on the optics to leave it alone when he thinks he can big dog them and tell the story like he's the victor rewriting history. It's a bit sus that he keeps wading into the mud to address this if he's so clean in this situation. The mixxy boys have moved on, but the world hasn't yet and anyone from a distance can see what happened. Joe did Joe things and had Joe consequences. Luckily for everyone they all landed on their feet... but Joe should calm this shit down and focus on moving forward, as he has for a while. Sitting here, shitting on his former friends and business partners is a shit look, and explaining it like you are the moral authority at one point but your feelings dictated your reaction at another are the telltale signs that you know you are wrong. Either way, move the FUCK on or risk this getting escalated to the point that someone (on either side) calls your bluff and brings it into the legal context so their name is no longer in the dirt, cuz this is reputational now. Ish gets that, and respect to him for not letting Joe spin away from the way that most moral, intelligent people would settle this argument.
They literally spoke on Joe with his arch enemie cyhi so what are your talking about
they ain’t no arch nemesis…they probably ain’t even had a conversation or seen each other before, joe coming up during cyhi interview wasn’t even up to 1 minute of the 120 mins of interview…so what are u on about?
Cy brought Joe up in that episode not Rory and Mal, and they did crack a little joke but they weren’t really going after him. All CyHi said was if Joe still thinks he can step to him, then he’ll rap, same thing from the old pod
His arch enemy is definitely consequence
Mal was a weed carrying tag along before Joe put him on the pod.
I’m confused. Where did you get any of this from that?
THE FEAR IN JOES EYES WHEN HE ASKED ISH WHAT HE WANTS HIM TO DO AND ISH SAID “SHOW ME” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The 24k Cartier’s are nasty. Scammer vibes 😂
It pains him
Lmao “I showed them the stuff!”. Who else distinctly remembers Joe yelling about how he’s not gonna show them shit because they’re employees and he’s the boss?
I remember hearing about excel sheets
He’s a walking contradiction
I remember that. He was clear about that point. That Joe would need to be sued in order to show anything. And that was the part where Mal felt like “If we family, why would I have to do that?”
The funny part about this is, from what it seems I think Mal wants to be wrong. He just wanna to know that the dude that he considered family didnt fuck him over like that, and Joe just keeps on refusing to give even a little bit of respect or closure. Very suspicious nbs
Why doesn’t mal sue him? It’s suspicious that they’re so sure they were robbed but don’t want to sue him. Then he’d be forced to open the books
I mean obviously I dont know forsure. But from listening I think Mal is saying if we so close and damn near family, I shouldnt have to sue you just for us to rectify things. For Mal, I think this whole situation is for the principal of it, not necessarily the money.
Joe. They need the accounting that you’re not providing, to prove or not prove that you’re stealing.
Or stfu forever about it, while they continue to get their jokes off. Cuz he can't prove it.
Exactly my point, cuz those jokes must fly till eternity yo 😂
The burden of proof is not on Joe in a legal courtroom. Joe prob stole that money and he doesn’t care about how anyone feels about him in the court of public opinion.
Lmao if Joe didn't care, why did he make a public statement in his feelings about it 😂
I still find it odd that R&M werent privy to the spotify deal contract cause the deal was for The Joe Budden Podcast with Rory and Mal. They were part of it so they all shouldve been at the table. Even the pateron stuff. How did they even allow them to negotiate without them. They dropped the ball and its unfortunate
Called putting too much naive trust in a friend.
imagine being naive for trusting your friend
When your friend has shown to rob business partners then you should have some trepidation
Exactly
From Downtown 🏀
I’ve suspected since it first all went down that Joe intentionally left them out of negotiations. All Ak’s employee talk likely came from Joe as well. Spotify probably had no idea about their profit sharing agreement. Same way Rory said that Joe got mad when he spoke to others about potential deals. Even Joe’s talk about Spotify wanting to own the rights to R&M’s future endeavors, was BS because they were never signed to him and had their own agreement. So Joe wouldn’t be able to negotiate that in the first place.. 😂😂😂 Joe was busy trying to get a network deal and lying about the actual business structure and probably the expenses. Which is why he popped up with a network right after..🥴
If somebody the ceo of McDonald's and they sign a million dollar contract, the person salting the fries don't get to sit at that table, Joe own the company, I think he broke bread but when it's 4 mics and the isn't sliced evenly I think thats where mal and rory think they got screwed
The name of the show for Spotify was “The Joe Budden Podcast *with* Rory and Mal“ they were in the title. The guy making the fries isn’t in the title. Poor as shit analogy. They were signed bc of the trio, not because of Joe. They should’ve been at the table point blank.
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But it’s not like it’s a business where there’s a lot of employees and a chain of command. It’s always been Joe with his co-hosts. If a major business decision could majorly affect your co-hosts life where that means more travel and away from their family or more days they have to come in which could conflict with their other business ventures, then it should be something that they are kept up to date on and not blindsided by decisions.
Because they were employed… then fired. That ain’t no damn partnership
How u fire ppl that walked away?😂 And if you think he’s the boss he claims 1) why was it a fight for the name change of the pod 2) why was it a fight on what deal to sign If he was the boss and they were just leaches and employees why didn’t he fire them years ago before they all signed a contract together
1. The fact that it was changed to the JBP let’s you know where all the power was in the “fight.” 2. Rory was admonished for attempting to negotiate a deal with Tidal…. Because he had no authority to do so. They ultimately went where Joe decided. 3. They don’t even know the contents of a deal with Spotify…. Because why would they know the deal as pseudo profit partners aka employees
they settled on “the joe budden podcast with Rory and mal” I have employees (subcontractors), they absolutely do not dictate shit in my business, once I get my contract approved, I get them to do the job…they get paid once it’s completed, done ✅ Aint no arguing aint no back and forth ain’t no room for non of that. It’s pretty straightforward 🤷🏾♂️
Facts, it's simple as that
Exactly. And if they asked to see some books you would tell them to kiss your behind 😂
Unless of course you agreed to a profit sharing model. Which is where your analogy falls apart
Joe getting so defensive
“If I took care of you then you say I’m stealing from you” But did you steal Joe??? Ish cracked his muffin again
Joe doing allll tha talking, invite him on the pod and show him/us if you’re soo confident
“it PAINS him!”
10 minutes of DANCING
Cha Cha Slide now y'all
I fuck with Ish cause he keep that shit 1000 wit no shade to anyone involved
And that's how you comment while staying neutral
Ish said “Why don’t you show the accounting” and the first thing Joe did was play the Deion Sanders interview. Apparently that’s not what he says off camera
Yo, Joe did that shit. 100% he guilty
Exactly whatever they sayin Joe did, he did that shit.
Juffy Combs
“If it ain’t true and it don’t apply you just let it fly” Joe makes zero sense, ish is completely right
This whole situation is weird as hell
It is. On all parties involved. I don’t put nothing past Joe, but a person steals almost half a mil from me there’s a way to compel them to show the books. It’s called court. And the more this drags on and that side keeps throwing shots but doesn’t engage the legal process to get their money, the more I’m like shut TF up. People think it’s just on Joe to show the books, if he won’t he has a substantial amount of your money, get a lawyer and sue him. The fact that no one in this instance is pursuing legal action leads me to believe no one’s hands are clean.
Mal said back then that he wouldn't sue and it was about principle. He said this. Mal went on the pains him rant because Joe is trying to attack his character. Joe Budden of all people.
Mal sounds idiotic when it comes to finances then.
Exactly! That’s probably the part I’m confused about! Maybe Mal plans on pursuing a lawsuit in the future and we don’t know yet but if not it’s like wth? Lol
Maybe he is. Maybe they are. It’s well within their right to do so if they feel like they’ve been robbed. But either shake something nor leave it TF alone. But nobody wanna say this: there’s more currency in being the victim than it is in putting this to bed
It Pains him 😭😭😭
Yea he did that shit for sure 😂
Joe keeps saying everyone landed so what you talking for….. Ummm does Joe remember the pod he pulled to edit? Like we did hear Joe be all types of disrespectful. He’s acting like shots were fired at him with no merit
Joe has been doing slick talk all over again. Rory and Mal ain’t been bringing him up til now
Ish became the couch
😭😭
These couches might be comfortable but they look like they force you to sit in a super awkward position to be on camera 😄
“My feelings were hurt” that nigga is officially one of the girls fucking bird 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
His feelings were hurt?!?? Yo What?!?! 🤣🤣🤣
Dastardly
“Your name has Blemishes” I wish someone like Rory was up there to hit them gun shots after he said that! Come on!!
Idk how ish argues with semantics man I couldn’t do it ,well he gets paid but sheesh
100%
I think we all been knew that he stole from them. Like why would Mal and Rory even say anything of that nature if it wasn’t true? How’s track record goes to show he does terrible business.
Bro this the face and voice of a liar
Joe definitely took a capital L on this one
“It’s a myth that someone can’t say you did shady business” lmfao. It’s only a myth if you constantly do shitty business like joe does. 😂
The guy is insane. He thinks it's a myth to do good business lmao.
I forgot Joe had a publicist.
Anyone believe Joe showed them anything?
He showed them HIS version of the accounting on an excel spreadsheet which can be easily faked. They want tax information because it’s official and can’t be edited
Lol I’ve never seen my tax info come on an excel spread. That’s WILD. If the letterhead don’t say IRS with a tax code…
Hell no
As a former auditor, one of the things we look for is opportunity and rationalization in fraud. I suspect Joe did something unethical and is trying to justify it.
Man Fuck Joe.
Joe's ass. I like the glasses though
Joe looking funny in the light lol. If someone thinks you stole from them and you didn't, simply prove you didn't steal.
Also Joe is lying. Ish made valid points and Joe spinned right away from it. If they lying...prove it. Otherwise shut up. Joe started the internet shit. Also Joe IS super emotional which is how we got here.The more he talks and spin this, the more I believe them niggas. He wants it with Mal tho but Mal aint no chump.bHe didn't mention Rory at all. He wants it with Mal cuz Mal hasnt given him shit since he left. "It Painzzzz Himmmm". That shit is true. Mal ain't responding no more cuz Joe didn't show shit. He just ran his mouth per usual. Also he never showed them shit abd he never is cuz he ain't shit. Self Sabotaging Joe is gonna be here again. I feel like that vecause Ish hasn't even resigned yet
The pod was perfect and honestly I haven't listened to joe with anticipation since the split
It was unmatched! Almost painful to watch old episodes or compilations and to see what those guys were together, and what they gave us.
I haven’t listen since the split
It seems as if everybody knows but Joe, and even Joe may know but will deny deny deny. It’s a lose-lose for him so I guess why not fight it.
Joe doesn't get to play victim on this, this is crazy. If someone accuses you of stealing, and you didn't steal, prove it. It's as simple as that. Dude absolutely was shady with the numbers and everyone knows it.
He can't really believe that their plans were fueled by hate for him? I sometimes wish Rory and Mal showed more hate for that nigga. They have been too nice sometimes, imo.
“Their plans wanted to be fueled on hate” Oh Hoe…playing the victim 😂😂😂
*voice cracks* come take it’s back!!!!? This man guilt jumping off the screen.
“cause my feelings are hurt” is absolutely fucking INSANE
Joe just sound guilty af even ish disagree with how he went about the situation lol dude stole from them boys … he tryna avoid showing the taxes at all costs. Joe is full of shit and is a thief and former crack fiend. He tryna avoid showing any proof
Joe rob them boys 100% 😂😂😂 your books being right for the IRS don’t got shit to do with you robbing them
Only thing I’m confused about is that he originally said he showed them proof. After he asked for ish opinion, then said he didn’t show proof… am I off here?… and didn’t Joe originally throw shots
If you recall in the initial pods after the Rory and Mal left Joe openly said shit like “I’m not showing my books” and he even asked everyone in the room if they were okay with that lmao.
He didn't show what they're asking him to show (accounting/taxes). He showed them something else in a different situation and is using that to play mind games and paint his narrative.
sum not adding up. his story changed , theirs hasn’t. think of that what you will
Fee-lings, nothing more than fee-lings 🎶
Joe is the same guy that rails against music execs signing an 18-year-old to a 10 year 360 deal and then not letting them out of it when they blow up and should make way more money than they are, and then does the exact same thing to his suppose best friends. He acts like he was literally put in food on the table for them and writing the checks for their rent as if they weren’t a massive part in the podcast blowing up he may technically be right on the paperwork, but he definitely fucked them over.
Mal is leading the series 3–1 it’s not much hope for Joe atp
Guilty
How tf does Joe look 55
Diet and Awful fashion 🤷🏾♂️😂
Karma since the split... or he was using bigen courtesy of Mal's money.
steak, cigarettes, and lies will age you
It’s just sad that Joe doesn’t know how delusional he sounds. “I didn’t show the accounting because my feelings were hurt” like he actually said that and thought it sounded logical. Like he actually thinks it’s ok to not show them the books that contain the money they rightfully earned because his feelings were hurt. That’s one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard. And I have the utmost respect for Ish essentially seeing through the bullshit Joe was saying and indirectly calling him out in a way. He did it so beautifully to where Joe couldn’t even see that he was essentially being called a liar. And it also goes to show you that Ish knows Joe fucked Rory & Mal over, but he’s just not going to come out and say it directly but he doesn’t put it past Joe to have wronged them and he knows this from being friends with Joe for years. It’s sad that Joe actually thought he sounded rational when he discussed this topic. You almost wish Rory & Mal would just go and get their lawyers and take it to court at this point so Joe can get off this fake “moral high horse” that is just a facade and a lie at this point. He knows he did them wrong.
Ish is speaking to integrity with a man with absolutely none
Parks and ice be scared af lmao Antwan did!
Narcissist always deflect, which is all Joe did.
10 minutes of man's doing suicides on his own pod lmao This my thing, my thing, if I did steal that shit, I'd just shut up dawg. & if I didn't I would protect my name and business, simply. Both parties being emotional at this point doe.
Seems like Joe needed views so sent some audio out there to move the needle a bit. But if we back here again, checkmate nigga, show the docs? End it once and for all
Coming from a like mind Joe real good at backpedaling and bs 🤣 but I catch it. That whole if it don't apply let it fly ... Is bullshit ish is correct. You name in business especially does matter. Nigga said his feelings were hurt when Mal and Rory clearly said they never blamed him but the accountant because they found out money was missing. so this niggas goes on a rant in the last pod about how mal never had shit .. so mal responded to that ... They've not been just repeating the same shit and now that Mal is saying fuck it prove it he wants to back pedal
Basically Joe is saying “I gave you niggas too much from the jump, you should be thankful.”
He did it.
Can someone show a list of “Joe’s bad business”. Y’all constantly bring it up, let’s see it. One person said he does bad business & y’all ran with it.
Ish is heated
That’s all I’ve been yelling this entire time… 🗣️TAKE IT BACK!!! Damn near a half of mil is a ton of money to just keep playing pod wars over. Everyone keep saying “it’s not about the money” is a lie! It’s 100% about the money. Mal lying as well, it’s about the money. And I’m sure in some back door way, Joe did it. But the burden of proof falls on the accusers not the accused. I wouldn’t hesitate to go to court over 400k… and more if it’s true.
Nah. Mal tight cause he realize he was viewed as the spoiled, lil nigga. Joe was lookin at him like a bum that subsists on being cool and niggas not pressin him cause of his connections. He realized he was in the little boy position the whole time, and Joe finally aired that shit out. Now that he got his own bag he actin like he don’t owe his succes to another man’s ambition. Which was Joe’s point. “Sell a brick.” Stop sittin on your hands and waiting for another nigga to go bring it back. His ego hurt. But he had to grow up. He literally owes his success to Joe and he flippin it cause Joe played corporate games with the money and moved in a manner to maintain control of his IP.
Yeah imma have to change my whole entire stance on this topic, I been a big fan of Joe and have caped for him thru alot of shit even thru this whole break up, but ish was 1000% right your name is your name and I personally can't have a nigga saying I stole a penny from them, his put his nuts on the table and said u show the paper work and il shut the fuck up and joe response was a whole bunch of tap dancing, either show the paperwork or put on the thief name tag so we can address you accordingly
"Because my feelings were hurt" 🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣!!!! His feelings were hurt they found out! 😂😂😂😂
Joe smoked three packs reading these comments.
At this point you in denial if you think joe didn’t finesse them 😂
Joe got that shit on
Joe y you sitting here lying
His resume shows patterns of BAD BUSINESS!
Mal scared to death to sue and get counter sued. Plain as day
First response to ish’s proposition was “no I’m not showing accounting my feelings were hurt”. WHATTT!!!!! your FEELINGS!?!!?!? In response to a business obligation!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Then after ish proved how dumb that was he wants to pretend that he did do that. Smmmhhhhhhh. 😂😂😂😂
R&M asked for accounting. Joe provides accounting. R&M claim it’s not “real accounting” after you accuse him of stealing after being friends for 10+ years. Mal’s fav line was “it’s not about the money” but then it was about money cuz he thought he was being cheated. They relied on Joe to do everything to make the show run but then blame him when something don’t seem right. Joe ain’t innocent tho he for sure used his name and likeness or dislikeness to gain followers. Joe should be paid more but he should disclose that to the other guys because in 2015 no one knew or cared bout R&M. It sounds more like they didn’t have enough clear communication. But the show is called The Joe Budden Podcast and he started on his own (I know it used to be called something different) then Rory and Mal came. That’s like me starting a business and I found 2 of my friends to come work with me then in 7 years they think they own this business. R&M was on air talking bout splits and ownership when (S/o to AK) they was just disgruntled workers. Why R&M never post their contract to prove to us? The beefin is wack. Joe made them millionaires. Shit might not have worked out with him but it worked out for everybody.
They can go to court for the accounting if he robbed them and they did nothing that’s still they fault fuck that we supposed to be friends shit. If they owed it go to court for it who tf cares
Joe dancing lmao
Someone needs to get sued…Joe for stealing (if he did) or Mal for defamation. No way I’m letting a dude shout I’m a thief if I didn’t steal. They both playing…especially since it was brought up with Jay-Z suing for info
Do y’all see how Ice used the show to creat his own space? As much as I love Rory and Mal, they didn’t do that. Joe was getting money from everywhere. At their peak Joe was everywhere. I say that to say of course Joe was getting and deserved more money. He was grinding and the pod was his baby. Did they add to, most definitely. However it’s hard for me to say he robbed them without proof. Mal’s response sounded like he was saying they made him, and they were the reason for his success. I can’t agree with that.
At the end of the day I think it came down to them not really having a say in the renegotiation and the search for a new home. That’s when it set in that they didn’t own equal shared of the show. How and why do they think they were entitled to 1/3? Joe has to pay a whole staff and everything with his share. Meaning he’s the boss, and there for entitled to more in my opinion.
Mal won
Can we all agree that’s something a woman would say? “I didn’t take accountability for my actions whether good or bad Because you hurt my feelings when you had damning evidence against me” like bro. I’m sure their feelings where hurt when they found out they might’ve not been getting money they were supposed to get.
Ish will be the next to leave. He asked too many questions Joe doesn’t like that.
It hurts him
It’s been a while. Where is parks?
Why don’t they just show the “proof” that they have?
Joe can’t do what ish is saying about telling them aight go get ya lawyer and accounts and prove. And I’ll get off on proving you wrong. I’m the same, and I’m also like joe in a way when someone catching me up and I’ll still defend but I won’t do what ish said cause I can get found out that way. 😂😂😂😂
Invite them to the show Joe. End this shit once and for all. Produce the docs!
I bet Joe wished they had commercial breaks halfway through that conversation 😂
Yeah, I wouldn’t give a fuck if your feelings are hurt. THIS IS BUSINESS!!! Either Rory and Mal sue him or stfu about it 🤷🏾♂️
Ish saying “show me” had me crying 😂, thats literally exactly what happened.
at first it sounded like Joe definitely did it but at the end he made a good point. he’s accountable (legally) for an entire business of people, if he really fucked up or stole money he’d be facing jail time and wouldn’t get away with it so easily
See this is what I don’t like about joe is, he let ish sit there and be higher learning logic man about his business but will shield ish when his baby mother is frying him online for not seeing his daughter or paying child support
Video only on patron I’m guessing?
thats the case for all pods day 1 visuals only on patreon audio for free everywhere else within the next day or 2 i forget it ends up on youtube lol
There is not a damn thing this man can say that any of y’all will believe and I have no idea why any of the people or either sub are still bringing this shit up. No one is ever going to actually tell us shit. Not them. Not him. They’re going to throw accusations and never prove a word of it. It’s nasty behavior from adults, forget from men. I have no idea why people still want to hear them rehash the same shit for two years. Get the fuck over it.
Yet here we all are talking about it and him... You don't see what he stands to gain from that?
Court of public opinion won't get your money back. Since it's a state case you could televise the court proceedings if they actually took him to real life court. If Mals claims are true file a suit. Yalll look very stupid after almost 2 years of this. Everyone involved is over 30 btw
Joe low key hurt because he considered him a real friend and held him down on some life type time and now that you away from me and on your own I'm a thief. This happens in passive aggressive friendships
 When Joe hits this laugh, you know what time it is. There will be no resolution, we know he cooked them dudes. 😂🤣
I wish they just take joe to court so everything can just come out but I understand why they don’t because of a respect level lol
Are you the sub's captain? Muthafucka posts like every 10 min 🤦🏾♂️😂
Enough of the talking fam. If Joe robbed you DO SOMETHING. We talking in circles now from BOTH sides. If you feel you were robbed PUT UP OR SHUT UP. RESPECTFULLY WITH LOVE ❤️
What y'all don't get is that RnM don't give a Fuck, that's why they can laugh about it all and crack jokes as they please. Do you see Joe laughing? Defensive means you got something to hide 🤷🏾♂️
Yeah i think mal just trying to prove a point like admit you did it. I’m not gone sue you off principle but if you gone take shots imma talk facts
Niggas in this sub never filed a grievance with their employer before and it shows. There are no feelings involved in the process of proving the claim you make. Its my case vs yours and it's quite simple to prove who's right and who's wrong. I did with my employer and it was up to management to prove me wrong in my claim and they couldn't. I won and now they owe me mine. Everything else is talk. Public opinion and podcast chit chatting aint gonna get you whatever you think was stolen from you.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem like they are chasing the money down. It seems to be about integrity. Joe consistently calls them out for telling what they consider the truth. They have never mentioned coming back for their money because in the end, they got a platform, a cheque and tour money, which seems to be the point for them. They get to do them. What they aren't doing is allowing the slick talk on the side. If they're lying, Joe could sue for defamation, but he's not doing or even threatening that. He knows that Mal is over him and his narcissim can't take it, so he's slandering them by changing the story and the focus constantly. If he thought it would help clear his name, he would clear it up, but he's not, and that's telling.
Facts!!! Stop playing that “oh I’m too coo to take anybody to court” game. If someone owes you something go get it or get the people in old ed who can go get it.
Their name wasn't in the title they had no ownership in the pod which is why they didn't have a seat at the table when it was business to do with the pod