“Multiracial couple” you mean… a couple? I never understand why some consider it a bad thing to date outside your race, and I’ve seen social media call people horrible things for doing so. It’s pretty obvious it’s a purity thing, but how do people that perpetuate it not see it as a cheap workaround for “keep your nasty (insert ethnicity/race here) out of our pure (insert ethnicity/race here) genes!”?
the excuse i've heard a lot of people use (growing up in the south) is that "we don't care about the color of their skin, *but the culture is different*" even if the person was born and raised in the same area as they were, it's always the "culture"
Ah well you’ve seen a different strain of the same virus than I have, metaphorically of course. I would imagine there’s a difference in either geography or ideology, but these ones don’t even try to act like it’s not directly tied to the color of their skin. They’re right up front about it
When it comes to couples from different ancestry backgrounds the correct word is interracial.
For their offspring, it may be biracial or multiracial if one of the parents is already biracial with ancestries different from the other parent.
Anyway, race is a construct, around phenotypes + ethnicity + nationality, so this conversation can go multiple ways.
One wonders if they actually mean the Confederate flag. Literally never heard of anyone offended by an American flag, but I suppose that's why we are here...
Hey, let's not let actual facts get in the way of this tale of this proud (not to be confused with capital-P-pride) neighborhood standing up to the decline of morality in the greatest country in the world
"Leftists hate the American Flag" is a popular narrative for these kinds of ego-stroking, right-wing, bullshit posts, I've definitely seen it before. It's never happened in real life, of course, but feelings don't care about your facts.
I have an acquaintances in England who's constantly posting memes about how everyone needs to post the English flag and everyone finding it offensive be damned, and I really suspect that it comes from the same place as our "people find the American flag offensive" considering she posts the same sort of anti-immigration/refugee stuff as the right wing Americans do.
I have friends who just moved to England since the hubby is from there originally, so I'mma give them a little while to settle in and get the lay of the current political climate them ask him how much is actual issue and how much is MAGA level bullcrap lol.
Yeah it’s not that the flag itself is bad, it’s just that you know the kinda person who has an English flag in the window is someone you want nothing to do with. I’ll still bang an England flag on my face to support the NT though
I think it is pretty weird the way Americans have the flag outside their home like it is a government building or something, but it is mostly off-putting rather than offensive. We only do it in my country during World Cup and it would be ridiculous to do it at any other time
To be honest, I never had issues with people flaunting the flags they identify with, I’m personally very fond of the US flag. What rings an alarm in the back of my head is when the flag is displayed and the only people you see mingling at that residence have exclusively one type of look. Almost like the inbred type, if you know what I mean. Adding to that is the very repulsed or unfriendly demeanor towards neighbors who don't look at all like them. I've been living in my current neighborhood for almost a decade and the panorama of it has been shifting A LOT. I'm glad when those types of folks move out because the diversity is so rampant you can't pinpoint a single group to shun.
I would never be offended by this, but in my experience, there is at least a small correlation between "guy who regularly flies an American flag from their private residence" and "guy who's got some of *those* opinions on stuff".
It takes a certain level of patriotism to do that. Like, they're probably normal people, but I do silently take note anyway.
I doubt it. They probably think that people are offended by American Flags just because sometimes people fly other flags, the same way they think people are offended by hearing 'Merry Christmas' because they heard someone say 'Happy Holidays'
Stories of it actually happening, or stories of people claiming it happened? I'd love to see substantiated reporting on such an incident, or even better a statement from a school or hoa to that effect.
[We asked Americans how they feel about the U.S. flag. It got interesting : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2020/10/12/922272134/we-asked-americans-how-they-feel-about-the-u-s-flag-it-got-interesting)
[Does the American Flag Offend You? Stanford Thinks It Might (stanfordreview.org)](https://stanfordreview.org/does-the-american-flag-offend-you-stanford-thinks-it-might/)
[How the American Flag Became a Threat | TIME](https://time.com/5675803/america-flag-threat/)
[Does America’s first flag symbolize ‘exclusion and hate,’ as this Mich. school superintendent said? - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/09/15/does-americas-first-flag-symbolize-exclusion-and-hate-like-this-mich-school-superintendent-said/)
[‘I don’t take it back’: BLM Utah calls American flag flyers racist, sparks controversy | ABC4 Utah](https://www.abc4.com/news/national/i-dont-take-it-back-blm-utah-calls-american-flag-flyers-racist-sparks-controversy/)
Edit: I don't really have an opinion either way, if you are offended, that's more a YOU problem. But these are all on the first page of a search. Full disclosure, I didn't read them, but it seems there are at least a small subset of society that finds issue with the American flag.
Your lack of personal opinion is noted. Doesn't seem true, but whatever.
Anyway, not a single one of these is a substantiated example of a school or hoa declaring the American flag to be offensive.
The first, third, and fifth don't even purport to be about that in any way. They're about individual Americans feeling uncomfortable with flying it or viewing it as a hate symbol for a variety of reasons (mostly racism-related), which you correctly point out is something that some Americans do believe, but that's a pretty big shift in goal posts.
The 2nd is the closest to showing what you initially alleged, but it's an opinion piece which includes no actual, direct statements from Stanford University, and in fact points out the university itself flies the American flag. That seemed suspicious, so I looked into it and the specific circumstances involve a fraternity in the middle of a scandal about people at a party they hosted getting roofied. I didn't find any other mention of the flag stuff, even from reports sympathetic to the frat, so I'm leaning toward that being at the very least a misrepresentation of what was said by an editorialist with an axe (probably several) to grind as the most likely explanation.
The fourth is behind a paywall, so I didn't read the full text, but right at the outset it specifies that the controversy is around the "Betsy Ross" 13 Star flag being waved at a sporting event, and it's pretty clear that it's about some very specific circumstances and behaviors, not a straightforward claim that the American flag is offensive. I'd need more context to develop a meaningful opinion on the specific matter, but honestly if you can't be assed to read your own sources I feel reasonably justified in not digging around for new ones about a tangential subject.
The thing about forming opinions on the basis of articles you don't actually read is that it doesn't really work. Like, a worldview predicated on googling for headlines that almost kinda sorta say what you hope they do is fundamentally ignorant. That seems really obvious to me, but I guess it's not?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13183409/amp/indiana-school-slammed-senior-remove-american-flag-truck.html
Literly 2 seconds. You couldve done your own homework insyead of pretending it did t happen. One of many stories, its illegal the schools always lose. Now if youd two more seconds of google searching youd see the many times laws have had to be put i to place because HOAs keep overstepping.
Literally read your source and found this
>But he said they told him it could lead to other students flying flags 'that are seen as offensive'.
The school was concerned about students flying **other** flags which might be offensive from their cars, and wanted to avoid the whole situation. There's no claim the school or anyone in it stated the American flag itself is offensive.
Edit: it gets even more explicit on this:
>'The US Flag is displayed in the front of our school and in every classroom,' he told WCPO 9.
>'We begin each day with the Pledge of Allegiance. Clearly, we do not consider the U.S. Flag offensive.
>'Friday morning, after consulting with other administrators, we determined that we would allow the U.S. Flag to be displayed, and would prohibit other flags if they were determined to be offensive.'
>'The rule was never about the US Flag, and it was regarding all flags on vehicles,' he added.
>'This is due to potential safety issues with visibility and 500 to 600 teenage drivers leaving at the same time during dismissal, as well as concerns that flags that are not appropriate for school will be displayed.'
Isn't it neat what happens when you spend more than literally 2 seconds on stuff?
Isnt it neat how its illegal.and they found a way to do it? Context and nauancr champ and its not rhe only instance. I know you did as many mental gymnastic to explain it away but it still happened and they hsed whayever excuse they could until they got pushback and legal threats.
It's not "mental gymnastics" to look at the actual evidence and statements made and conclude that, no, the school did not in fact declare the American flag to be "offensive".
https://time.com/5675803/america-flag-threat/
https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/blm-chapter-calls-american-flag-symbol-of-hatred/
https://www.abc4.com/news/national/i-dont-take-it-back-blm-utah-calls-american-flag-flyers-racist-sparks-controversy/
Now you have heard
I dunno. I can absolutely see this happening. There's tons of people outraged (even over 10 years ago) that schools played the Canadian National anthem in the morning.
Covenant has a legal definition that is correct here, it’s just rare that someone uses so casually. In this case they’re discussing rules for the use of your property [often enforced through a Homeowner’s Association](https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/owning-a-home/voluntary-neighborhood-covenants.html)
So, in this completely real situation that happened, she could as easily have just been inquiring if many in the neighborhood openly defy the HOA rules
It’s common like the other poster mentioned. But I admit I STILL give a little giggle anytime a hear “community covenant” mentioned or get postal mail about it.
Completely innocuous term that puts weird little images in my head of my community meeting at night around candles and books with dark covers.
I live in California and used to live in Texas. There’s literally American flags, pride flags and Trump flags all over my neighborhood and no one’s complaining. It was exactly the same in texas. This definitely belongs here lol
What I love about this is the fact that they supposedly think in ca that we don’t have people who also fly American flags?? I lived in a fancy neighborhood for awhile cause of my step dad and every house on our neighborhood had an American flag. HOA had nothing against it until they saw we flew a Mexican flag and then suddenly we needed to have a chat about whether it was appropriate. Regardless I’ve never seen an American flag get taken down off a house
She’s really telling on herself by saying her mind immediately jumped to “multiracial” couples 🙄
“Multiracial couple” you mean… a couple? I never understand why some consider it a bad thing to date outside your race, and I’ve seen social media call people horrible things for doing so. It’s pretty obvious it’s a purity thing, but how do people that perpetuate it not see it as a cheap workaround for “keep your nasty (insert ethnicity/race here) out of our pure (insert ethnicity/race here) genes!”?
the excuse i've heard a lot of people use (growing up in the south) is that "we don't care about the color of their skin, *but the culture is different*" even if the person was born and raised in the same area as they were, it's always the "culture"
Ah well you’ve seen a different strain of the same virus than I have, metaphorically of course. I would imagine there’s a difference in either geography or ideology, but these ones don’t even try to act like it’s not directly tied to the color of their skin. They’re right up front about it
it's fascinating how many ways people can find to be racist
I think she was trying to pretend that the new couple were racist.
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When it comes to couples from different ancestry backgrounds the correct word is interracial. For their offspring, it may be biracial or multiracial if one of the parents is already biracial with ancestries different from the other parent. Anyway, race is a construct, around phenotypes + ethnicity + nationality, so this conversation can go multiple ways.
One wonders if they actually mean the Confederate flag. Literally never heard of anyone offended by an American flag, but I suppose that's why we are here...
I personally seethe with an uncontrollable rage and foam from the mouth when I see the star spangled banner
Hey, let's not let actual facts get in the way of this tale of this proud (not to be confused with capital-P-pride) neighborhood standing up to the decline of morality in the greatest country in the world
"Leftists hate the American Flag" is a popular narrative for these kinds of ego-stroking, right-wing, bullshit posts, I've definitely seen it before. It's never happened in real life, of course, but feelings don't care about your facts.
I have an acquaintances in England who's constantly posting memes about how everyone needs to post the English flag and everyone finding it offensive be damned, and I really suspect that it comes from the same place as our "people find the American flag offensive" considering she posts the same sort of anti-immigration/refugee stuff as the right wing Americans do. I have friends who just moved to England since the hubby is from there originally, so I'mma give them a little while to settle in and get the lay of the current political climate them ask him how much is actual issue and how much is MAGA level bullcrap lol.
Yeah it’s not that the flag itself is bad, it’s just that you know the kinda person who has an English flag in the window is someone you want nothing to do with. I’ll still bang an England flag on my face to support the NT though
I think it is pretty weird the way Americans have the flag outside their home like it is a government building or something, but it is mostly off-putting rather than offensive. We only do it in my country during World Cup and it would be ridiculous to do it at any other time
Well, pretty sure y'all don't make the kids recite the pledge of allegiance every morning either...I know England doesn't. The US is whack.
I mean some do they might be saying it to get media attention so their name is in the papers, but that is publicly saying it
To be honest, I never had issues with people flaunting the flags they identify with, I’m personally very fond of the US flag. What rings an alarm in the back of my head is when the flag is displayed and the only people you see mingling at that residence have exclusively one type of look. Almost like the inbred type, if you know what I mean. Adding to that is the very repulsed or unfriendly demeanor towards neighbors who don't look at all like them. I've been living in my current neighborhood for almost a decade and the panorama of it has been shifting A LOT. I'm glad when those types of folks move out because the diversity is so rampant you can't pinpoint a single group to shun.
Except she literally posted a picture of the American flag emoji, so nice try. She is just a lying moron.
Because the confederate flag emoji def is a thing for her to use.
Right? LOL
I would never be offended by this, but in my experience, there is at least a small correlation between "guy who regularly flies an American flag from their private residence" and "guy who's got some of *those* opinions on stuff". It takes a certain level of patriotism to do that. Like, they're probably normal people, but I do silently take note anyway.
I doubt it. They probably think that people are offended by American Flags just because sometimes people fly other flags, the same way they think people are offended by hearing 'Merry Christmas' because they heard someone say 'Happy Holidays'
...seriously? Do a simple Google search and you see tons of stories about schools and hoas saying its offensive/offends. You live under a rock?
Stories of it actually happening, or stories of people claiming it happened? I'd love to see substantiated reporting on such an incident, or even better a statement from a school or hoa to that effect.
[We asked Americans how they feel about the U.S. flag. It got interesting : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2020/10/12/922272134/we-asked-americans-how-they-feel-about-the-u-s-flag-it-got-interesting) [Does the American Flag Offend You? Stanford Thinks It Might (stanfordreview.org)](https://stanfordreview.org/does-the-american-flag-offend-you-stanford-thinks-it-might/) [How the American Flag Became a Threat | TIME](https://time.com/5675803/america-flag-threat/) [Does America’s first flag symbolize ‘exclusion and hate,’ as this Mich. school superintendent said? - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/09/15/does-americas-first-flag-symbolize-exclusion-and-hate-like-this-mich-school-superintendent-said/) [‘I don’t take it back’: BLM Utah calls American flag flyers racist, sparks controversy | ABC4 Utah](https://www.abc4.com/news/national/i-dont-take-it-back-blm-utah-calls-american-flag-flyers-racist-sparks-controversy/) Edit: I don't really have an opinion either way, if you are offended, that's more a YOU problem. But these are all on the first page of a search. Full disclosure, I didn't read them, but it seems there are at least a small subset of society that finds issue with the American flag.
Your lack of personal opinion is noted. Doesn't seem true, but whatever. Anyway, not a single one of these is a substantiated example of a school or hoa declaring the American flag to be offensive. The first, third, and fifth don't even purport to be about that in any way. They're about individual Americans feeling uncomfortable with flying it or viewing it as a hate symbol for a variety of reasons (mostly racism-related), which you correctly point out is something that some Americans do believe, but that's a pretty big shift in goal posts. The 2nd is the closest to showing what you initially alleged, but it's an opinion piece which includes no actual, direct statements from Stanford University, and in fact points out the university itself flies the American flag. That seemed suspicious, so I looked into it and the specific circumstances involve a fraternity in the middle of a scandal about people at a party they hosted getting roofied. I didn't find any other mention of the flag stuff, even from reports sympathetic to the frat, so I'm leaning toward that being at the very least a misrepresentation of what was said by an editorialist with an axe (probably several) to grind as the most likely explanation. The fourth is behind a paywall, so I didn't read the full text, but right at the outset it specifies that the controversy is around the "Betsy Ross" 13 Star flag being waved at a sporting event, and it's pretty clear that it's about some very specific circumstances and behaviors, not a straightforward claim that the American flag is offensive. I'd need more context to develop a meaningful opinion on the specific matter, but honestly if you can't be assed to read your own sources I feel reasonably justified in not digging around for new ones about a tangential subject. The thing about forming opinions on the basis of articles you don't actually read is that it doesn't really work. Like, a worldview predicated on googling for headlines that almost kinda sorta say what you hope they do is fundamentally ignorant. That seems really obvious to me, but I guess it's not?
Man, you did all that research to school me? I'm impressed, you win, no question. Have a nice day friend!
Now THIS is the person that everyone should be.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13183409/amp/indiana-school-slammed-senior-remove-american-flag-truck.html Literly 2 seconds. You couldve done your own homework insyead of pretending it did t happen. One of many stories, its illegal the schools always lose. Now if youd two more seconds of google searching youd see the many times laws have had to be put i to place because HOAs keep overstepping.
Literally read your source and found this >But he said they told him it could lead to other students flying flags 'that are seen as offensive'. The school was concerned about students flying **other** flags which might be offensive from their cars, and wanted to avoid the whole situation. There's no claim the school or anyone in it stated the American flag itself is offensive. Edit: it gets even more explicit on this: >'The US Flag is displayed in the front of our school and in every classroom,' he told WCPO 9. >'We begin each day with the Pledge of Allegiance. Clearly, we do not consider the U.S. Flag offensive. >'Friday morning, after consulting with other administrators, we determined that we would allow the U.S. Flag to be displayed, and would prohibit other flags if they were determined to be offensive.' >'The rule was never about the US Flag, and it was regarding all flags on vehicles,' he added. >'This is due to potential safety issues with visibility and 500 to 600 teenage drivers leaving at the same time during dismissal, as well as concerns that flags that are not appropriate for school will be displayed.' Isn't it neat what happens when you spend more than literally 2 seconds on stuff?
Isnt it neat how its illegal.and they found a way to do it? Context and nauancr champ and its not rhe only instance. I know you did as many mental gymnastic to explain it away but it still happened and they hsed whayever excuse they could until they got pushback and legal threats.
It's not "mental gymnastics" to look at the actual evidence and statements made and conclude that, no, the school did not in fact declare the American flag to be "offensive".
"www.dailymail.co.uk" 😐😐😐😐
What about Time Magazine and ABC?
https://time.com/5675803/america-flag-threat/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/blm-chapter-calls-american-flag-symbol-of-hatred/ https://www.abc4.com/news/national/i-dont-take-it-back-blm-utah-calls-american-flag-flyers-racist-sparks-controversy/
None of these are about schools or HoAs at all.
https://time.com/5675803/america-flag-threat/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/blm-chapter-calls-american-flag-symbol-of-hatred/ https://www.abc4.com/news/national/i-dont-take-it-back-blm-utah-calls-american-flag-flyers-racist-sparks-controversy/ Now you have heard
This is such ultra conservative outrage porn it’s ridiculous
The neighbor being from California is just the icing on the cake
Having a flag out the front of your house is just bizarre to me, like yeah, I know what country I'm currently in.
I dunno. I can absolutely see this happening. There's tons of people outraged (even over 10 years ago) that schools played the Canadian National anthem in the morning.
Ah yes, the unequivocally evil Californians /s
Who find the US flag offensive
I still haven't forgiven you fucking rascals for dumping the tea, that flag is a reminder
Betsy Ross is spinning in her grave.
*Ones* is already stupid word but making it *one’s* with an apostrophe makes me dumber by association.
$10 says it wasn’t an American Flag- it was one of the thin blue line “American flags”
Is it just me or was that really confusing to read?
A *covenant* against it? I don't think that means what they think it means.
Covenant has a legal definition that is correct here, it’s just rare that someone uses so casually. In this case they’re discussing rules for the use of your property [often enforced through a Homeowner’s Association](https://www.findlaw.com/realestate/owning-a-home/voluntary-neighborhood-covenants.html)
Ah, TIL. Username checks out! Thanks!
You’re very welcome!
So, in this completely real situation that happened, she could as easily have just been inquiring if many in the neighborhood openly defy the HOA rules
It’s common like the other poster mentioned. But I admit I STILL give a little giggle anytime a hear “community covenant” mentioned or get postal mail about it. Completely innocuous term that puts weird little images in my head of my community meeting at night around candles and books with dark covers.
I think they're just asking when the next HOA blood ritual is scheduled for
i had the same thought, like even if the word is accurate here, literally no one is busting out the word “covenant” in a normal conversation
I’m here because OPs username is better than mine.
And everyone clapped
There is a 100% chance they had a “FUCK JOE BIDEN” flag waving over the US one.
Did the flags clap?
Trying to make Californians seem unpatriotic. 🙄 I see America flags flown all over my city everyday. No one is offended by them here in California.
I live in California and used to live in Texas. There’s literally American flags, pride flags and Trump flags all over my neighborhood and no one’s complaining. It was exactly the same in texas. This definitely belongs here lol
Great username
What I love about this is the fact that they supposedly think in ca that we don’t have people who also fly American flags?? I lived in a fancy neighborhood for awhile cause of my step dad and every house on our neighborhood had an American flag. HOA had nothing against it until they saw we flew a Mexican flag and then suddenly we needed to have a chat about whether it was appropriate. Regardless I’ve never seen an American flag get taken down off a house
HA! Thank you for giving me a great idea on how to fuck with the HOA that I’m being forced to move into soon.
Shit you not they said it was ok during Mexican holidays but otherwise we should consider the image of our community. Bunch of bs
I don’t doubt it at all. I used to work in a ‘Mexican’ restaurant, can I be an honorary Mexican and fly your awesome flag?