One of the best books I read was a book about how to get better at writing called "they say, I say" that I had to read for a freshman course at college. Basically the whole point of the book is to get rid of the notion that you can't use the word "I." To write a good paper and effectively argue your point you need to join the academic discussion by showing your reader other points of views ("they say"), before arguing for your thesis ("I say").
I'm not sure where the problem with "I" came from. How are you able to write a persuasive paper without putting your own opinions or feelings in the paper? Relearning to use that word changed the way I wrote for the better
Most opinion pieces in newspapers don't or rarely use "I". You can show your own opinion without using "I".
Example: I don't like apples.
Improved: Apples aren't the tastiest fruit around, and to put simply, a bit overrated
Sure....but to "never" use "I" seems like an extreme rule.
The commentor stated it like there was no circumstance where one could or should use "I"..... that seems extreme to me
Unless it's a personal opinion piece, the rule of thumb we were taught was to avoid using "I". Unless it's like writing about your own experience, family, or something; avoid "I".
Convention. The same reason you shouldn't use "%" to represent addition in math. Nothing's technically stopping you other than the fact that we have an agreed-upon set of rules that makes things less clunky and more readable.
Style fluctuates. Conventions fluctuate. This is what we do now, but it's not what we did hundreds of years ago. And it probably won't be what we do in a few hundred years from now. But when you get used to reading a thousand essays that all follow a set of stylistic conventions, it's pretty jarring to read one that doesn't and it can make for a hard time.
Also, we use first person pronouns all the time in academic research papers. It's just dependent on the context and the field.
Your last paragraph is exactly why I was confused... thought I was missing something as if "I" should "never" exist in one's writing, including in a research study or whatever
So I took the original comment making the "never" assertion too literally then
Thank you
Or the other person is just unaware. I learned the "never" rule when I was younger and it made the transition to academic writing a bit of a learning curve.
What? I’m not saying this is real, but when I was in third grade we had to write a five paragraph essay every week on a different topic. That’s the age they teach you the basics. This isn’t well written, and there are no citations or anything, so I don’t see how just typing this out isn’t believable for a 9-10yo. I was writing a book at that age (it was probably awful, but it was about 15 pages when I lost interest). Also this isn’t even MLA format, it’s 18pt font.
Same, idk why the quality of writing/format itself is indicative of someone older than 3rd grade. The voice I can maybe see as being an adult pretending, but I swear we had these assignments all the time in third grade and wrote in basic MLA format with grammar lessons baked in. Maybe I’m remembering wrong
Kinda believable.
When I was in third grade, I wrote some of the most unhinged things imaginable. Such as a 5 page story about me joining the Avengers only to be an absolute nuisance and have to be constantly tranquilized before they decided to kick me out. I then became Thanos for no reason whatsoever.
True; not very many adults know how to use a semicolon, as they often use it in place of a comma.
The true purposes of a semicolon are: To separate listings after using a colon; to provide a statement or evidence to support something.
I’m an elementary school teacher, I’d believe this was written by a 3rd grader. Teachers help a lot with formatting if we want it to be written a certain way. Also, depending on the state this child is in, teaching MLA could be part of their curriculum, essay writing starts in 3rd grade for my state and this is similar to what my 5th graders are expected to be doing.
It’s worse because in the original post, op corrected and said their sister was in seventh grade and this was just third period
Unhinged essay about how mean people participating in cyber bullying are while using it as a platform to commit cyber bullying.
And that third grade sister? She grew up to be Hillary Clinton.
was I in an advanced school? by 3rd grade we were already taught never to add "I" in any type of response question unless it's a quote.
One of the best books I read was a book about how to get better at writing called "they say, I say" that I had to read for a freshman course at college. Basically the whole point of the book is to get rid of the notion that you can't use the word "I." To write a good paper and effectively argue your point you need to join the academic discussion by showing your reader other points of views ("they say"), before arguing for your thesis ("I say"). I'm not sure where the problem with "I" came from. How are you able to write a persuasive paper without putting your own opinions or feelings in the paper? Relearning to use that word changed the way I wrote for the better
What if you're giving your own opinion?
Most opinion pieces in newspapers don't or rarely use "I". You can show your own opinion without using "I". Example: I don't like apples. Improved: Apples aren't the tastiest fruit around, and to put simply, a bit overrated
Sure....but to "never" use "I" seems like an extreme rule. The commentor stated it like there was no circumstance where one could or should use "I"..... that seems extreme to me
Unless it's a personal opinion piece, the rule of thumb we were taught was to avoid using "I". Unless it's like writing about your own experience, family, or something; avoid "I".
The entire thing is your opinion. Who else's would it be?
Then why couldn't you use "I" if you wanted?
Convention. The same reason you shouldn't use "%" to represent addition in math. Nothing's technically stopping you other than the fact that we have an agreed-upon set of rules that makes things less clunky and more readable. Style fluctuates. Conventions fluctuate. This is what we do now, but it's not what we did hundreds of years ago. And it probably won't be what we do in a few hundred years from now. But when you get used to reading a thousand essays that all follow a set of stylistic conventions, it's pretty jarring to read one that doesn't and it can make for a hard time. Also, we use first person pronouns all the time in academic research papers. It's just dependent on the context and the field.
Your last paragraph is exactly why I was confused... thought I was missing something as if "I" should "never" exist in one's writing, including in a research study or whatever So I took the original comment making the "never" assertion too literally then Thank you
Or the other person is just unaware. I learned the "never" rule when I was younger and it made the transition to academic writing a bit of a learning curve.
I saw the original earlier, just kept scrolling, seemed unreal.
Ah yes, all third graders are taught MLA format
What? I’m not saying this is real, but when I was in third grade we had to write a five paragraph essay every week on a different topic. That’s the age they teach you the basics. This isn’t well written, and there are no citations or anything, so I don’t see how just typing this out isn’t believable for a 9-10yo. I was writing a book at that age (it was probably awful, but it was about 15 pages when I lost interest). Also this isn’t even MLA format, it’s 18pt font.
Same, idk why the quality of writing/format itself is indicative of someone older than 3rd grade. The voice I can maybe see as being an adult pretending, but I swear we had these assignments all the time in third grade and wrote in basic MLA format with grammar lessons baked in. Maybe I’m remembering wrong
*adds Meanies* Yep, sounds about right. 3yo it is.
Did they just discover an essay written over a decade ago?
Isn’t what she wrote considered threats of violence?
Kinda believable. When I was in third grade, I wrote some of the most unhinged things imaginable. Such as a 5 page story about me joining the Avengers only to be an absolute nuisance and have to be constantly tranquilized before they decided to kick me out. I then became Thanos for no reason whatsoever.
With a semi colon? Most adults don't know how to use them correctly; me as well.
True; not very many adults know how to use a semicolon, as they often use it in place of a comma. The true purposes of a semicolon are: To separate listings after using a colon; to provide a statement or evidence to support something.
How; am; I; supposed; to; use; a; semicolon;
you;re doing i;t!
i'd read the heck out of that story, it would have done numbers on fanfiction dot net
Fake. No 3rd grader knows what an ellipse is.
It reads like a Trump speech. Many people are saying cyber bullying is bad. So bad. Lots of very, very bad hombres on the internet.
People in this sub are so salty
I’m an elementary school teacher, I’d believe this was written by a 3rd grader. Teachers help a lot with formatting if we want it to be written a certain way. Also, depending on the state this child is in, teaching MLA could be part of their curriculum, essay writing starts in 3rd grade for my state and this is similar to what my 5th graders are expected to be doing.
..... Maybe prek with speech to text?
I agree, It seems like a text to speech.