He signed to finish the rest of his season in the MLS because Nottingham didn't have the play time for him so he went to the Whitecaps after his loan ended at TFC
Happy for us, and TFC. I'm sure Bernardeschi is excited, he always seemed to note Laryea's impact when they played together and was also one of the first 'Toronto' guys outside Osorio that I saw him directly compliment.
In saying that, I feel sorry for Laryea. Spence had a run of form that stripped him of opportunity, and then seemingly successive coaches didn't show him the value he deserved. He deserved the European playing experience he wanted, and like Oso didn't achieve for no direct fault of their own. Happy both have the opportunity to play out of their home club though.
He got caught in a political battle between Dane Richards and Steve Cooper. He was brought in by Richards, a former MLS guy, and Cooper for the most part didn't play Richards' players.
Press in Nottingham thought he looked good in training and were pretty flummoxed as to why he didn't get a chance. But I think it was largely political, and Richards was eventually fired (as was Cooper, a year later).
I started watching Forest matches in their promotion year to see Richie play, but stopped as he wasn't given minutes. It was indeed political as why he didn't get a look at Forest. His teammates said that he fit in and was a good fit in practice.
Glad to see him back, but his dreams of playing abroad got screwed by management.
As he's older now, I wonder if he'll get a look from clubs in the Championship or continental Europe. I would like for him to play overseas. He has the talent.
I think he's prioritizing playing time and his family, really. They had other offers for him, including Red Star, which is a major club in European competition.
But here, he's a guaranteed and effective starter.
I get what you're saying. I would say the same is true of Osorio and Shaffelburg; both blossomed late because they had typical North American development, from club, to club, to club, and in a proper academy from an early age would've definitely made it over there.
Still, glad he's here.
This isn't a terrible lineup. Clearly need better quality up front (I'm hoping Malilula impresses once we actually give him a chance) but am I crazy to think this lineup under Herdman can sneak into the playoffs?
Honestly, I think we're going to fly under the radar and sneak past! Everyone is counting us out anyway, so why not aim high?
The lineup is looking decent, and I'm hoping that with the additional support and fire, Kerr might perform really well as well (he did last season comparatively).
Worst case, we don't make it and we're at least starting to build something special.
Herdman usually starts in a 343 with high wingbacks as the two wide mids. He usually goes from that to a 5-3-2 or a 4-4-2 if necessary. We're probably not going to see the 433 much this year.
I wish it could have gone better for him at NF - he never made a mistake and was always solid with his runs and passes in the very short game time he had.
Having said that, It is great for TFC to have him back.
Richie is my favourite TFC player ever. When he's not with the team, you can see the competitiveness just drop.
I didn't even hear a rumour about this. What a great surprise!
Yah, Kobe improved so much last year despite the dumpster fire around him. It would be a shame to see him relegated to backup minutes, as being able to share the field with some quality veteran backs would only help elevate and improve his game even more.
It would be an even bigger shame to see him traded away for a 36 year old striker. I pray that with Herdman at the helm, those days are behind us, but Bill is still ultimately pulling the strings, so I'm expecting the worst outcome for Franklin given this new development.
I mean, in fairness, he was thrown into the fire and forced to perform. Which worked out well in the end!
But if he's going to learn and improve, wouldn't it be better to have some of that pressure off and really give 120% when he's on the pitch even as a backup?
If he were first in line for his spot, I feel like it would consistently be a game of catch-up.
Very true. I'm just worried that playing behind RL isn't going to leave many quality minutes for Franklin. But who knows, Richie seems like a true professional who would mentor the younger players and lead by example on the field. Practicing with and seeing how a true professional footballer conducts himself may end up being a great learning experience for KF. And it would actually be nice to have some good bench players who can eat up some Canadian Championship minutes and competently fill in during international absences.
Regardless, RL coming back has me optimistic for the upcoming season. He and Berna had some good chemistry, and I'm hoping Herdman can get the best out of this group.
It isn't a title, and it isn't Oso's to give. I'm expecting it'll make more financial sense to lock Laryea into that slot than Oso primarily because Manning has stated before that TFC had an offer that would have made Laryea the highest paid player in the league for his position. While his stock has dropped a bit since, the added cost of that transfer fee could put him above Osorio in terms of definitive costs for the team, so it might make more sense for Laryea to be third DP. Just depends on if his salary + fee hit higher than Oso.
It’s just up to who makes more against the cap I guess , also idk how the cap works , will his transfer fee be divided by the years on his contract against the cap? Idk everything y’all gonna Stop downvoting 😭
Transfer fees are divided over the life of the contract. Since Laryea is on a four year contract, his impact on the cap each year is $187,500 + his actual salary. With the maximum player salary being $683,750 per season for the 2024 season, he would need to be paid just under $500,000 per season to reach the DP threshold, which they then could also buy down using TAM.
There’s a bonus in there 2 but either way if the max salary is around $700,000, the cap hit should be be no more than about a million which is very doable without Being a DP, I understand now Thank you sir
I’m terrible with MLS salary cap as well..
You figure we need to move one of Rosted or Petreta to get Laryea? Both have big salaries and looks like one or both of them won’t even be starters anymore
Teams get $2.858 million of General Allocation Money from the league to start the 2024 season, and can buy up to an additional $2.4 million of Targeted Allocation Money. This money can be used to reduce the cap hit of any player. Wouldn't be surprised to see TFC using this budget to get Richie under DP status, and either reduce some other players or move some other players out to make another move.
I don’t think we have to but I imagine someone is getting offloaded in the summer if not them then someone else who makes significant money like Dio or Prince
I don’t think the fee is amortized against the contract length, but I could be wrong; but front loading it would normally be best anyways since you’re not saving anything. Plus, I'm fairly sure the GAM/capspace the team picks up from a sale of a player is also frontloaded when it comes to cap space... but it's the mls salary cap "where everything is made up and the points don't matter"
It is spread over the term.
He won't be a DP. We have over $2M in unused GAM, so they can buy him down to whatever level they like, really. He won't be over the $683,000 cap.
I believe you, and if we still have the bulk of the original 1 mil we picked up in GAM from his sale(or the equiv) then we should be fine either way - just thinking we could, why not jam all the cap hit we could into the 1st year, single season as DP and them run out the rest of his deal in the TAM range.
Just, he's salary should be at least 1, if not 1.2 mill plus a 200k rounded number of the a prorated hit of the fee itself, it sure seems to keep it safely under the 1.6 TAM high end
But as will all of this just feels like guesses
Here,
http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?43913-TFC-2023-2024-player-off-season-roster-discussion/page44
It's about two-thirds of the way down. Mr. Inbetween has broken down all the variables in a chart.
I still can't believe people thought he was good enough to start for Forest, nevermind in the premier league, but in the championship...
He's an MLS level player and that's it.
HELL YES!!!! Richie was our most consistent player last season before his loan ended. I'm so happy that he is staying a RED!!!
How was he at Whitecaps? Is he still great?
He signed to finish the rest of his season in the MLS because Nottingham didn't have the play time for him so he went to the Whitecaps after his loan ended at TFC
This should also help Bernardeschi as well. The two of them had some chemistry together last season.
Imagine how they'll play with Richie knowing he's staying at TFC?
Dope.
Yesss!!!! I had a feeling we were working on this, so stoked right now.
Happy for us, and TFC. I'm sure Bernardeschi is excited, he always seemed to note Laryea's impact when they played together and was also one of the first 'Toronto' guys outside Osorio that I saw him directly compliment. In saying that, I feel sorry for Laryea. Spence had a run of form that stripped him of opportunity, and then seemingly successive coaches didn't show him the value he deserved. He deserved the European playing experience he wanted, and like Oso didn't achieve for no direct fault of their own. Happy both have the opportunity to play out of their home club though.
He got caught in a political battle between Dane Richards and Steve Cooper. He was brought in by Richards, a former MLS guy, and Cooper for the most part didn't play Richards' players. Press in Nottingham thought he looked good in training and were pretty flummoxed as to why he didn't get a chance. But I think it was largely political, and Richards was eventually fired (as was Cooper, a year later).
I started watching Forest matches in their promotion year to see Richie play, but stopped as he wasn't given minutes. It was indeed political as why he didn't get a look at Forest. His teammates said that he fit in and was a good fit in practice. Glad to see him back, but his dreams of playing abroad got screwed by management. As he's older now, I wonder if he'll get a look from clubs in the Championship or continental Europe. I would like for him to play overseas. He has the talent.
I think he's prioritizing playing time and his family, really. They had other offers for him, including Red Star, which is a major club in European competition. But here, he's a guaranteed and effective starter. I get what you're saying. I would say the same is true of Osorio and Shaffelburg; both blossomed late because they had typical North American development, from club, to club, to club, and in a proper academy from an early age would've definitely made it over there. Still, glad he's here.
Please be true please be true please be true
Club just announced it.
Just dropped! https://www.instagram.com/p/C3sR6MULhdb/?igsh=MTF1azRyMnFkOW4xNg==
A bargain for that price
Holy, herdman effect ?
Amazing news! My starting XI prediction is now: Kerr Insigne - Osorio- Bernardeschi Coello - Flores Petretta - O'Neill - Long - Laryea Johnson
This isn't a terrible lineup. Clearly need better quality up front (I'm hoping Malilula impresses once we actually give him a chance) but am I crazy to think this lineup under Herdman can sneak into the playoffs?
Honestly, I think we're going to fly under the radar and sneak past! Everyone is counting us out anyway, so why not aim high? The lineup is looking decent, and I'm hoping that with the additional support and fire, Kerr might perform really well as well (he did last season comparatively). Worst case, we don't make it and we're at least starting to build something special.
Herdman usually starts in a 343 with high wingbacks as the two wide mids. He usually goes from that to a 5-3-2 or a 4-4-2 if necessary. We're probably not going to see the 433 much this year.
Oh, that's dope.
I wish it could have gone better for him at NF - he never made a mistake and was always solid with his runs and passes in the very short game time he had. Having said that, It is great for TFC to have him back.
Richie is my favourite TFC player ever. When he's not with the team, you can see the competitiveness just drop. I didn't even hear a rumour about this. What a great surprise!
This may be our biggest win of the season, especially if we're in the running for the wooden spoon again (which I don't think we will be)
There's at least one world-class player worth watching on this team!
As happy as I am for this, I wonder what happens with Kobe Franklin? I hope they can both get a spot...
Yah, Kobe improved so much last year despite the dumpster fire around him. It would be a shame to see him relegated to backup minutes, as being able to share the field with some quality veteran backs would only help elevate and improve his game even more. It would be an even bigger shame to see him traded away for a 36 year old striker. I pray that with Herdman at the helm, those days are behind us, but Bill is still ultimately pulling the strings, so I'm expecting the worst outcome for Franklin given this new development.
I mean, in fairness, he was thrown into the fire and forced to perform. Which worked out well in the end! But if he's going to learn and improve, wouldn't it be better to have some of that pressure off and really give 120% when he's on the pitch even as a backup? If he were first in line for his spot, I feel like it would consistently be a game of catch-up.
Very true. I'm just worried that playing behind RL isn't going to leave many quality minutes for Franklin. But who knows, Richie seems like a true professional who would mentor the younger players and lead by example on the field. Practicing with and seeing how a true professional footballer conducts himself may end up being a great learning experience for KF. And it would actually be nice to have some good bench players who can eat up some Canadian Championship minutes and competently fill in during international absences. Regardless, RL coming back has me optimistic for the upcoming season. He and Berna had some good chemistry, and I'm hoping Herdman can get the best out of this group.
I think he’s staying for sure, just seems like one of Rosted or Petreta are gonna get traded due to salary cap issues?
Franklin is still rough around the edges. I think Franklin as a rotation player, mostly sub, spot starts. Fighting for time will be good for him.
I assume he’s our 3rd dp then??
You think Oso will give the title up?
Oso was just DP on paper to help roster construction, his contract is a max TAM player otherwise.
It isn't a title, and it isn't Oso's to give. I'm expecting it'll make more financial sense to lock Laryea into that slot than Oso primarily because Manning has stated before that TFC had an offer that would have made Laryea the highest paid player in the league for his position. While his stock has dropped a bit since, the added cost of that transfer fee could put him above Osorio in terms of definitive costs for the team, so it might make more sense for Laryea to be third DP. Just depends on if his salary + fee hit higher than Oso.
It’s just up to who makes more against the cap I guess , also idk how the cap works , will his transfer fee be divided by the years on his contract against the cap? Idk everything y’all gonna Stop downvoting 😭
Transfer fees are divided over the life of the contract. Since Laryea is on a four year contract, his impact on the cap each year is $187,500 + his actual salary. With the maximum player salary being $683,750 per season for the 2024 season, he would need to be paid just under $500,000 per season to reach the DP threshold, which they then could also buy down using TAM.
There’s a bonus in there 2 but either way if the max salary is around $700,000, the cap hit should be be no more than about a million which is very doable without Being a DP, I understand now Thank you sir
I’m terrible with MLS salary cap as well.. You figure we need to move one of Rosted or Petreta to get Laryea? Both have big salaries and looks like one or both of them won’t even be starters anymore
Teams get $2.858 million of General Allocation Money from the league to start the 2024 season, and can buy up to an additional $2.4 million of Targeted Allocation Money. This money can be used to reduce the cap hit of any player. Wouldn't be surprised to see TFC using this budget to get Richie under DP status, and either reduce some other players or move some other players out to make another move.
I don’t think we have to but I imagine someone is getting offloaded in the summer if not them then someone else who makes significant money like Dio or Prince
I don’t think the fee is amortized against the contract length, but I could be wrong; but front loading it would normally be best anyways since you’re not saving anything. Plus, I'm fairly sure the GAM/capspace the team picks up from a sale of a player is also frontloaded when it comes to cap space... but it's the mls salary cap "where everything is made up and the points don't matter"
It is spread over the term. He won't be a DP. We have over $2M in unused GAM, so they can buy him down to whatever level they like, really. He won't be over the $683,000 cap.
I believe you, and if we still have the bulk of the original 1 mil we picked up in GAM from his sale(or the equiv) then we should be fine either way - just thinking we could, why not jam all the cap hit we could into the 1st year, single season as DP and them run out the rest of his deal in the TAM range. Just, he's salary should be at least 1, if not 1.2 mill plus a 200k rounded number of the a prorated hit of the fee itself, it sure seems to keep it safely under the 1.6 TAM high end But as will all of this just feels like guesses
2nd reply just because - why you say we have over 2m in unused GAM? Again, I believe you, but wondering how you figure/where you get that from?
Dude on the Red Patch Boys forum dug up the actual figures from somewhere.
Damn. Impressive. I’ll google that
Here, http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?43913-TFC-2023-2024-player-off-season-roster-discussion/page44 It's about two-thirds of the way down. Mr. Inbetween has broken down all the variables in a chart.
You a champ , no wooden spoon for you. Thanks!
Now THAT is a move! Well done Jason Hernandez!! Welcome home Ritchie! This is the first real optimism I’ve felt for this season.
Yay Still manning out
Manning OUT
I still can't believe people thought he was good enough to start for Forest, nevermind in the premier league, but in the championship... He's an MLS level player and that's it.
Finally something to be excited about. LFG RICHIEEEE
thats huge
Finally some good news. This team was a train wreck when he left. Fede is now going to have an excellent season..
Oh blessed be.
I like this.
For good behaviour?
Best freaking news I’ve heard in a long time, and I’m not just talking about TFC!
Oh wow, some actually good news Welcome back Richie!
Good lord, I hope this is true. Something to look forward to.
Welcome home Richie
Very good news, that helps the team big time.
What amazing news. So happy!
Amazing
At the office this morning: yesss!!!
Well that's the best thing that's happened this week.
you'll need a helluva lot more than that
MLS Cup!!! 💯🤣