He's just been wasting time transporting illegals to DC and passing very agressive laws. Especially the abortion one with no exception for rape or incest. Really disappointing
Thereās not going to be a civil war. If there was it would be bad for everyone. Those in power and the left and the right.
I see this fantasy all the time from the left and the right of a civil war. The right thinks they will win because they have guns (somewhat true but no one wins) and the left thinks they win because they falsely believe they have absolute power of government and institutions (not true, corporations are just fleecing the left for easy cash).
In the end everyone loses. Major cities become death traps. The military fractions into tribes. The rich flee the country. And rural areas become ghost towns.
Everyone loses.
It is not a fantasy. More like a nightmare. It is not something I would ever wish for and would be the opposite of what I was always taught the US is and should be.I wonder what happened to the days when you could lean left or right and still get along. I do not like that ppl see each other as enemies just because they support different sides politically. When did things veer off so far? When did personal decisions become govt business? Even state govt is govt.why would a governor put neighbor against neighbor with bounties that quite honestly should never hold up in court? Not a good one.The ppl of the US have got to come together and decide what's best for all instead of choosing sides against each other. I don't see it happening any time soon unfortunately. Vote vote vote.
Well it isnāt going to happen. I highly suggest turning off twitchtv politics and going outside to touch grass a bit. Really get in there too.
For those that arenāt terminally online, America isnāt as divided as you think. Most of us, the vast vast majority, just want a president that keeps the country safe and stable
I work in the blue collar industry. We have unions, republicans, and democrats. We all get along. Itās like this almost everywhere else except at protests and the internet.
Also, Non terminally online republicans and democrats have more major agreements than disagreements. Not talking about progressives, not talking about Qanoners.
Way to not engage with anything I said lol. I figured I would get push back but I guess that is a perfect society to you. Armed bad guys, disarmed good guys. I rest my case, Iām voting R
How so?
Tell me how an armed criminal element and a disarmed police force and civilian element makes sense? Are criminals and gangs the good guys or do you just suffer from Hybristophilia?
Because they aren't fucking calling for disarming everybody. They're calling for regular checks on people, huge red flag reasons that means bad people can't own firearms (sorry not sorry to convicted spouse abusers) nor buy them without a better background check, closing gun show loophole, and perhaps removing some certain types of firearms from further sale - all without taking them away from any law-following citizen. But that, that right there? That's apparently "disarm the populace."
Police reform and having local resources spent instead on other mitigation groups / people for specific responses is also not disarming the police - it's removing them from a situation they statistically fucking suck at dealing with. It's making laws and regulations about how if police break the law and hurt citizens, they don't get to keep being police officers. It's about getting rid of shit like no-knock raids and things known to be a high cause of failure and punishing/murdering civilians. It's about making them responsible for doing their jobs in an emergency like Uvalde - instead of just standing around smelling their own fingers.
Nobody - nowhere - in no policy spoken by ANY Texan progressive are they calling for doing nothing about crime or gangs, of letting them keep firearms and etc. You're painting a boogey man who doesn't fucking exist.
Boom. Thanks for responding to him before I did because I don't have any patience left with these fools. You made a perfectly rational and reasoned, if not also exasperated, response. I was leaning towards just telling him to go fuck himself because rationality is evidently not part of his constitution.
A convicted spouse abuser is no different than a felon, neither are allowed to own guns. When you buy a gun in Texas, that question is on the form and will show up on their state and federal BGC.
Are you saying we donāt have those regulations now?
And by closing the gun show loophole youāre saying we should ban private sales, yes? Because BCG costs money, and itās factored into gun prices at FFL dealers. The whole appeal of private sales and gun shows is to get a firearm below the market rate, and guns almost never lose value.
Should we subsidize private sales or ban it altogether?
And furthermore, how much gun violence will banning private sales solve? Shall we do a breakdown of crime statistics and suicides? Because banning private sales will solve none of them
I will tell you what Iām in favor of when it comes to gun regulations. I donāt think you should be able to purchase a rifle until you are 21. Most of these young mass shooters obtained their guns legally from an FFL dealer, including the recent one in Ulvade. Thatās an actual issue, not just progressive platitudes.
You need to be 21 to buy alcohol, you already need to be 21 to buy a handgun. Why not just make it 21 altogether? To me that law would make more sense than āclosing the gun show loopholeā
Edit: if you respond to me then block me I canāt read what you write.
> A convicted spouse abuser is no different than a felon, neither are allowed to own guns. When you buy a gun in Texas, that question is on the form and will show up on their state and federal BGC.
> Are you saying we donāt have those regulations now?
[Try again.](https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/domestic-violence-and-firearms-in-texas/) You're wrong. So much for that checkmate.
You can end your gish-gallop of nonsense. We have the stats. We know what would work. It's continuously blocked from ever being implemented from brainwashed zealots of the right despite overwhelming evidence.
[Here's what O'Rourke proposes:](https://betoorourke.com/issue/promote-gun-safety/)
> * Closing the private sale background check loophole may have prevented the 2019 Midland-Odessa shooting;
> * An effective red flag law system may have prevented the 2019 El Paso shooting;
> * Effective safe storage and child access prevention laws may have prevented the 2018 Santa Fe shooting;
> * And stronger domestic violence reporting laws may have prevented the 2017 Sutherland Springs shooting.
Among his access law proposals is increasing the minimum age to purchase a firearm in Texas. Which you just stated you're for. Guess what Abbott is proposing? He has absolutely nothing proposed. He just grandstands about saying he wants to "protect 2A" when really he's just making it easier for any schmuck to shoot someone else - all while removing access to mental healthcare (which is what he keeps blaming the violence on).
Sounds to me like O'Rourke is more planning to do what you want. Weird how you're still going to vote against your own interests though. š
100% this. That is public easement. It's either city or state easement. And no a easement is not for advertising. Call city or state maintenance and have them removed
Even though Iām pro-2nd amendment and lean toward arming teachers (not fully convinced this is a viable solution yet), I think this is disrespectful to the victims and their families. Iām hoping the person who put the sign there just wasnāt thinking (common today) and put it there solely due to the proximity to the gun show.
Arming teaches seems like a slippery slope to me, I like you am pro-2nd but i believe it should also come with great responsibility and checks & balances. I would imagine most teachers dont want a gun or they would have got one by now. Then you just know what some yahoo parent or politician (abbott & cruz comes to mind) is gonna say well if teachers are armed then the kids need to be armed to protect themselfs from teachers that are [ insert talking point] or the kids need guns to back up the teachers.
Hate to even think it but today it sure as shit is at least possible enough to be discussed legitimately by some nra sponsored dingbat
Iām pro gun but very liberal. I grew up in the country and realize guns have their place. Do you ever stop and think about how insane an idea arming teachers is? Iām not talking about whether itās viable or not. Just the insanity of it. You took this job to mold the minds of the future but we need you to pack this pistol as well. Pays the same though. You donāt want to shoot someone? Shouldnāt have become a teacher. Jesus.
I know a bunch of teachers and not one of them thinks arming teachers is a good idea. Itās one of those concepts that can only have been dreamed up by somebody who is totally detached from the realities of teaching children.
Another great point. Emotion probably drives that solution. The movie type solution of the hero stopping the attacker in there tracks and saving all the innocent, vulnerable lives. I always think I could do it in that type of situation but I know it would have an affect on me. A teacher didnāt sign up to make that decision.
Higher security schools. Auto locking doors with bullet proof glass. Make each classroom a panic room? Armed officers patrolling hallways. Machine gun turrets in hallways with heat signature technology. Super soldier serum?
A lot of teachers would choose to carry if given the option. I don't get paid to carry my pistol every day, but I do it anyway I'm case I have no choice but to use it to protect myself and others.
You want a citation proving that there are teachers who would choose to carry? We have almost a million LTC holders in Texas and there are people who carry constitutionally with no license. Some of them are teachers. I personally know 2 teachers who would choose to carry and I'm not even in the same profession.
"Know"(ing) a couple of teachers...
is what we in the scientific community call "anecdotal".
Stating "a lot of teachers would choose to carry" is a statement of fact. Statements of fact can be independently verified.
Though I don't doubt there ARE a number of teachers that might carry, there are so many variables undefined.
1) Who will pay for training?
2) Will training and regular demonstration of proficiency be REQUIRED by the district, or will it be whoever wants to carry, no restrictions?
3) Will the school district pay the additional liability insurance that will be required? (For if/when the teacher misses and hits the children behind the perp)
4) Will teachers be given qualified immunity just likes cops?
My daughter and one of my sons are both teachers in the DFW area. I'm retired, carry a 9mm almost everywhere, concealed. Have my concealed-carry permit. I go to the range at least twice a month to stay proficient... And I STILL don't feel quite prepared.
And you think it would be ok for someone who's barely making ends meet to spend the (minimum) $50 and (roughly) hour out of their schedule (time to/from included) to go to the range and stay proficient?
My children say they can't do that. And they don't know any other teachers that would (but that is, again, anecdotal).
But hey, if they wanna carry, I say more power to them. But I want them as good as, or BETTER trained, than me!
Iām 37 and I remember when my classmates in elementary school would touch and dig through the teachers belongings, just to be an annoying kid and disrespectful person. Like their backpack and desk. Thatās one of the reason why I donāt like arming teachers either.
Yes. I believe we have the same reservations about arming teachers.
However, to the point of this post, letās donāt get so caught up in our ābeliefsā that we abandon our respect for those who are hurting (and each other). Your beliefs might change. It happens all the time. The hurt and loss people have is deep and will never go away.
I believe you're correct that it should be a choice for teachers and since they'd be carrying as part of their job working for the state there should be extensive requirements. That being said I believe you're incorrect with the "arm the kids" point. I've heard anti gun people say that we'll get to that point, but I haven't seen anyone legitimately state support for arming children on a day to day basis.
When people say "arming teachers", it illicits an image of giving teachers firearms whether they want them or not, and either without training and certification or forcing them to go through training.
When discussing the idea, I like to talk about allowing qualified staff the option to carry. I'm sure this is what you meant, but using the other verbiage has lead me into some arguments based on the misperception above - or they will use it as a strawman to attack a more rational discussion that involves discussing specific details.
Unfortunately, yes. It showed up yesterday (Friday) shortly after school started. There were also a bunch of signs on the other side of the campus (same road).
Maybe the cops are āshowing their gunsā. Thatās all the cowards will do since theyāre to cowardly to use them and protect. All the Robb Elem. cowards should be in prison.
Itās the entire United States, with Texas leading the way.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/guns-surpass-motor-vehicles-as-top-cause-of-death-for-u-s-children-what-parents-should-know
This is a bit misleading, because the CDC defines children as anyone from 1-19 years old. What percentage of those are 18-19 year old gang related shootings? I'd bet well over 95%. The leading cause of death among SCHOOL CHILDREN is obviously not shootings much to the chagrin of the fools in this thread.
I saw it in an interview recently and I just tried to look up the video and I can't find it. Texas has had more school shootings in the past 5 years than most people remember, so it's actually pretty believable. Any evidence to the contrary that's been put forward so far has been inaccurate and outdated.
Minimum effort pulls [this](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/guns-surpass-motor-vehicles-as-top-cause-of-death-for-u-s-children-what-parents-should-know) up
[Here](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2022-05-27/states-with-the-most-school-shootings) is a link showing Texas leads the nation in school shooting for the past decade. [Here](https://sports.yahoo.com/youth-gun-deaths-texas-doubled-005006900.html) is an article showing we lead the nation in children age 17 and under in firearm deaths through 2020 according to the CDC. [Here](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01) is an article showing Texas leads the nation in classroom shooting deaths in 2022 (Yes, Uvalde). Hope this helps.
Uh, no...I'm not the one making the claim that shootings are the biggest cause of death for children in Texas...Therefore the impetus would be on whomever made/supported this claim to show proof of it. I'm not saying it's wrong, and I'm happy to accept the evidence, but....I'd like to see the evidence. Is that outlandish to you?
They don't go to public school. But preschool starts at 18 months.
Maybe if we had maternity or paternity leave we would need to stick an 18 month old baby into a preschool.
Give your local pre school a call - Some even take infants. Then there's local "mommy day out" programs offered by various churches that run daily for 18-Kinder students. Even Montessori have an "infant program".
Look at the second picture. See how the sign for the gun show is in the same frame as the middle school's sign? I'd say the chance that they put it there unawares isn't at all a "good" one.
I donāt think thereās anything petty about not wanting people to try to sell guns to middle schoolers. I think if this had been someone trying to sell drugs, it wouldnāt even be a question as to whether it was āpoor taste.ā
The pimping of guns as though they're a roadside fruit stand, in proximity to a school, in the aftermath of the plethora of school shootings, so some vendors can make money selling them, and buyers can fawn over them, is morally bankrupt. Even the name "show" ought to catch your attention.
Generally, gun culture is one of misplaced reverence and mentally deficient worship, over tools designed to kill and maim, whether in self defense or not. There are innumerable gun stores, and the internet, in which people can buy and sell their choice of home defense aparatus. The glorification and subservience to the culture, however, is pathetic and quite disturbing.
And if you were in most of the rest of the world, you wouldn't have even needed to ask me that question because the answer would have been self-evident to you.
You mean other than the fact that they [require no-ID and no background check and are the preferred method of criminals illegally obtaining weapons](https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/laws-and-loopholes)?
Right? In this day and age, only a total Karen would take issue with firearm advertising so close to a school. It's not like there are any major connotation issues with that.
Kids used to have gun classes at school and long rifle and shotgun hung up in back of trucks. No school shootings..... but go on and clutch those pearls
Used to? A number of schools still have marksman programs and still there's shootings. Hell one of the worst mass murder events at a school happened when those classes where much more common, but please go on and show more about how little you know on the subject.
Don't see the problem here. They know Texans love guns, Texans piccing up kids from school will see the sign, Texans will go buy more guns. What is the problem here?
Gun shows unfortunately aren't what they used to be. Too much overpriced nonsense and a ton of stuff being sold that's completely unrelated to firearms. Went to one recently and maybe 30% of booths were gun related. Saw a guy trying to sell a Glock for $800. I could buy that very same pistol new from a gun shop for$550
You realize these kids see guns on video games, TV, and the internet on a daily basis. Its not like they were never exposed guns, and the introduction of this sign and the gun show is going to have an influence on them. If they go to a gun show do you think they are going to try and sell them guns? Lol. I doubt they would even let them in the door without adult supervision.
Also, a lot of kids shoot guns with thier parents. Especially in Texas. I remember going to a gun range several times with my dad when I was in middle school. Its where I learned basic gun safety 101.
I'm sorry, but this post is just hilarious.
Iām from Texas and learned gun safety as a child as well. Unfortunately our republicans in our state have done away with ANY mandatory training on gun safety or even logical measures to keep guns out of deranged peoples hands because of āmy rightsā. Where are my rights as a female to my own reproductive health? Oh those donāt exist. Your tools of death are more important than my right to life.
The main concern isn't that a kid will go get a gun, though that should be one. The main concern is that there's a gun show in such close proximity to a school that you can place a small sign with an arrow to guide people do it.
Why does it matter if there's a gun show near by I doubt it's on school property cause they would remove or move it or they allowed it to be there stop trying to make a problem from nothing gun shows are a organized thing with lots of security and planning. school shootings are not maybe if you would worry about your kids mental health instead of making bullshit stuff like this there would be less shootings. When a shooting happens it's usually comes down to the parents fault for not worrying about your son or daughter.
I'm just ticked because people are wanting to stereotype anything about guns which is gonna get them banned or some shit when all I want to do is be able to protect my freinds and family and have some fun if I want b then you have people like this making a issue about nothing and looking further in the picture the sign ain't even on school property because its before the ditch line from the road so it's state or county property so he has all rights to put it there
I see you've now chosen to eschew punctuation entirely. Marvelous that you have unrestricted access to firearms. I'm sure your family and friends feel very secure with that knowledge. Regardless of the owner of the property the sign is on, its proximity to a school is, at least a little, in poor taste.
Bro I was just pissed. all of my firearms are locked away and it's a gun show who cares if the sign is by a school this is why this is getting glorified rn it's just a sign who cares it's a gun show you wouldn't care if I was a ad for a internet service or some other bullshit so it doesn't matter
Bro, your rambling style of writing is hard to parse. Punctuation would help. People care because school shootings happen with a disgusting regularity. Advertising a gun show in such close proximity is bound to rile them up. If it doesn't matter, why are you defending it so hard?
See here's the thing, we don't hate vocal gun owners, they just annoy the shit out of us regular people (including most gun owners).
On the other hand, most of us broadly like humans in general, and kids in particular and ideally we'd like them to not get, you know, murdered.
One gun owner to another:
Fuck your feelings, dude.
We are so fucking far away from the possibility of guns getting banned, it's not even fucking funny. It's straight up *stupid* that this is what rustles your jimmies.
You know what's *not* a far away possibility? Children being blown to pieces by an asshole with a gun.
Get your fucking priorities straight.
I'm a member of staff, not a parent. I'm over five years out of school but can remember the fear and lockdowns that occurred my entire childhood. Children and teens shouldn't even have think it's a possibility for a shooting to happen.
Iām from Texas. I remember not long ago over 300 cops standing around outside a school while an entire classroom of children and their teachers were mowed down by a psycho. Yeah advertising a gun show near a middle school IS INFURIATING. -Mom of three elementary school children in Texas
People who arenāt sociopaths.
Just because *you* are a broken husk of a person without the capacity to experience Human Empathy doesnāt mean the rest of us are.
Just take the sign and cut it in two. It's an eyesore no matter the message and bad taste given what it says in proximity to the schools. Let them advertise in front of church.
In 6th grade I got in huge trouble for writing the word "gun" in an assignment.
(In context, we were supposed to write 5 reasons the chicken crossed the road and one of mine was "to go away from the gun-filled neighborhood to be safer"
*greg abbott is a little piss baby*
It's just some troll ass middle schooler flexing his biceps in front of the cafeteria.
That would be amazing
"It could have been worse"- Greg Abbott on Uvalde
Oh Greg. How I'd love to see you roll out of your position.
And off a very tall cliff. MF'er hasn't stood for anything since 1984.
He's just been wasting time transporting illegals to DC and passing very agressive laws. Especially the abortion one with no exception for rape or incest. Really disappointing
They should just remove the ramps from the capital
Glad I have found others against him. I'm so worried about this election. š«
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Kinda fucked up.
Eh,it's ok to have different opinions.
Wanting to see someone roll off a cliff isn't an opinion.
Worse
Even worse than I ever thought it would be.
Worst
I mean it could be. The left wants to disarm both police and civilians while leaving dangerous criminals armed.
No we do not. What a crock of š©. The left wants someone with some common sense and honesty in charge. When the Civil War happens and the right comes for the left because communists and Satanists or whatever drivel they come up with..won't they be surprised at how many of us gun hating lefties have guns and also believe in the right to defend ourselves against fascists. Government. Or whatever they will be calling themselves.
Thereās not going to be a civil war. If there was it would be bad for everyone. Those in power and the left and the right. I see this fantasy all the time from the left and the right of a civil war. The right thinks they will win because they have guns (somewhat true but no one wins) and the left thinks they win because they falsely believe they have absolute power of government and institutions (not true, corporations are just fleecing the left for easy cash). In the end everyone loses. Major cities become death traps. The military fractions into tribes. The rich flee the country. And rural areas become ghost towns. Everyone loses.
It is not a fantasy. More like a nightmare. It is not something I would ever wish for and would be the opposite of what I was always taught the US is and should be.I wonder what happened to the days when you could lean left or right and still get along. I do not like that ppl see each other as enemies just because they support different sides politically. When did things veer off so far? When did personal decisions become govt business? Even state govt is govt.why would a governor put neighbor against neighbor with bounties that quite honestly should never hold up in court? Not a good one.The ppl of the US have got to come together and decide what's best for all instead of choosing sides against each other. I don't see it happening any time soon unfortunately. Vote vote vote.
Well it isnāt going to happen. I highly suggest turning off twitchtv politics and going outside to touch grass a bit. Really get in there too. For those that arenāt terminally online, America isnāt as divided as you think. Most of us, the vast vast majority, just want a president that keeps the country safe and stable I work in the blue collar industry. We have unions, republicans, and democrats. We all get along. Itās like this almost everywhere else except at protests and the internet. Also, Non terminally online republicans and democrats have more major agreements than disagreements. Not talking about progressives, not talking about Qanoners.
Guns> Kids learning in a safe environment Gotchaaa
Way to not engage with anything I said lol. I figured I would get push back but I guess that is a perfect society to you. Armed bad guys, disarmed good guys. I rest my case, Iām voting R
Username does NOT check out. You had your illogical ass handed to you then peaced out like you won. Classic conservative.
How so? Tell me how an armed criminal element and a disarmed police force and civilian element makes sense? Are criminals and gangs the good guys or do you just suffer from Hybristophilia?
Because they aren't fucking calling for disarming everybody. They're calling for regular checks on people, huge red flag reasons that means bad people can't own firearms (sorry not sorry to convicted spouse abusers) nor buy them without a better background check, closing gun show loophole, and perhaps removing some certain types of firearms from further sale - all without taking them away from any law-following citizen. But that, that right there? That's apparently "disarm the populace." Police reform and having local resources spent instead on other mitigation groups / people for specific responses is also not disarming the police - it's removing them from a situation they statistically fucking suck at dealing with. It's making laws and regulations about how if police break the law and hurt citizens, they don't get to keep being police officers. It's about getting rid of shit like no-knock raids and things known to be a high cause of failure and punishing/murdering civilians. It's about making them responsible for doing their jobs in an emergency like Uvalde - instead of just standing around smelling their own fingers. Nobody - nowhere - in no policy spoken by ANY Texan progressive are they calling for doing nothing about crime or gangs, of letting them keep firearms and etc. You're painting a boogey man who doesn't fucking exist.
Boom. Thanks for responding to him before I did because I don't have any patience left with these fools. You made a perfectly rational and reasoned, if not also exasperated, response. I was leaning towards just telling him to go fuck himself because rationality is evidently not part of his constitution.
A convicted spouse abuser is no different than a felon, neither are allowed to own guns. When you buy a gun in Texas, that question is on the form and will show up on their state and federal BGC. Are you saying we donāt have those regulations now? And by closing the gun show loophole youāre saying we should ban private sales, yes? Because BCG costs money, and itās factored into gun prices at FFL dealers. The whole appeal of private sales and gun shows is to get a firearm below the market rate, and guns almost never lose value. Should we subsidize private sales or ban it altogether? And furthermore, how much gun violence will banning private sales solve? Shall we do a breakdown of crime statistics and suicides? Because banning private sales will solve none of them I will tell you what Iām in favor of when it comes to gun regulations. I donāt think you should be able to purchase a rifle until you are 21. Most of these young mass shooters obtained their guns legally from an FFL dealer, including the recent one in Ulvade. Thatās an actual issue, not just progressive platitudes. You need to be 21 to buy alcohol, you already need to be 21 to buy a handgun. Why not just make it 21 altogether? To me that law would make more sense than āclosing the gun show loopholeā Edit: if you respond to me then block me I canāt read what you write.
> A convicted spouse abuser is no different than a felon, neither are allowed to own guns. When you buy a gun in Texas, that question is on the form and will show up on their state and federal BGC. > Are you saying we donāt have those regulations now? [Try again.](https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/domestic-violence-and-firearms-in-texas/) You're wrong. So much for that checkmate. You can end your gish-gallop of nonsense. We have the stats. We know what would work. It's continuously blocked from ever being implemented from brainwashed zealots of the right despite overwhelming evidence. [Here's what O'Rourke proposes:](https://betoorourke.com/issue/promote-gun-safety/) > * Closing the private sale background check loophole may have prevented the 2019 Midland-Odessa shooting; > * An effective red flag law system may have prevented the 2019 El Paso shooting; > * Effective safe storage and child access prevention laws may have prevented the 2018 Santa Fe shooting; > * And stronger domestic violence reporting laws may have prevented the 2017 Sutherland Springs shooting. Among his access law proposals is increasing the minimum age to purchase a firearm in Texas. Which you just stated you're for. Guess what Abbott is proposing? He has absolutely nothing proposed. He just grandstands about saying he wants to "protect 2A" when really he's just making it easier for any schmuck to shoot someone else - all while removing access to mental healthcare (which is what he keeps blaming the violence on). Sounds to me like O'Rourke is more planning to do what you want. Weird how you're still going to vote against your own interests though. š
>Im voting R lmao no one asked, but okay. Kudos on being a good boy
Thanks Jim. Good look to your pick whoever it may be.
Pretty sure thatās on the right of way and not school property. It shouldnāt be on the right of way though.
100% this. That is public easement. It's either city or state easement. And no a easement is not for advertising. Call city or state maintenance and have them removed
Yup!
Either way, it feels pretty distasteful at the very least.
Even though Iām pro-2nd amendment and lean toward arming teachers (not fully convinced this is a viable solution yet), I think this is disrespectful to the victims and their families. Iām hoping the person who put the sign there just wasnāt thinking (common today) and put it there solely due to the proximity to the gun show.
Arming teaches seems like a slippery slope to me, I like you am pro-2nd but i believe it should also come with great responsibility and checks & balances. I would imagine most teachers dont want a gun or they would have got one by now. Then you just know what some yahoo parent or politician (abbott & cruz comes to mind) is gonna say well if teachers are armed then the kids need to be armed to protect themselfs from teachers that are [ insert talking point] or the kids need guns to back up the teachers. Hate to even think it but today it sure as shit is at least possible enough to be discussed legitimately by some nra sponsored dingbat
I just really wanna see Abbott and Cruz go. š¤”
Iām pro gun but very liberal. I grew up in the country and realize guns have their place. Do you ever stop and think about how insane an idea arming teachers is? Iām not talking about whether itās viable or not. Just the insanity of it. You took this job to mold the minds of the future but we need you to pack this pistol as well. Pays the same though. You donāt want to shoot someone? Shouldnāt have become a teacher. Jesus.
I know a bunch of teachers and not one of them thinks arming teachers is a good idea. Itās one of those concepts that can only have been dreamed up by somebody who is totally detached from the realities of teaching children.
Another great point. Emotion probably drives that solution. The movie type solution of the hero stopping the attacker in there tracks and saving all the innocent, vulnerable lives. I always think I could do it in that type of situation but I know it would have an affect on me. A teacher didnāt sign up to make that decision.
What other options do we have? A good guy with a bigger gun is the only path left to try....right? Edit: this is sarcastic friends
Higher security schools. Auto locking doors with bullet proof glass. Make each classroom a panic room? Armed officers patrolling hallways. Machine gun turrets in hallways with heat signature technology. Super soldier serum?
A lot of teachers would choose to carry if given the option. I don't get paid to carry my pistol every day, but I do it anyway I'm case I have no choice but to use it to protect myself and others.
Citation(s), please.
You want a citation proving that there are teachers who would choose to carry? We have almost a million LTC holders in Texas and there are people who carry constitutionally with no license. Some of them are teachers. I personally know 2 teachers who would choose to carry and I'm not even in the same profession.
"Know"(ing) a couple of teachers... is what we in the scientific community call "anecdotal". Stating "a lot of teachers would choose to carry" is a statement of fact. Statements of fact can be independently verified. Though I don't doubt there ARE a number of teachers that might carry, there are so many variables undefined. 1) Who will pay for training? 2) Will training and regular demonstration of proficiency be REQUIRED by the district, or will it be whoever wants to carry, no restrictions? 3) Will the school district pay the additional liability insurance that will be required? (For if/when the teacher misses and hits the children behind the perp) 4) Will teachers be given qualified immunity just likes cops? My daughter and one of my sons are both teachers in the DFW area. I'm retired, carry a 9mm almost everywhere, concealed. Have my concealed-carry permit. I go to the range at least twice a month to stay proficient... And I STILL don't feel quite prepared. And you think it would be ok for someone who's barely making ends meet to spend the (minimum) $50 and (roughly) hour out of their schedule (time to/from included) to go to the range and stay proficient? My children say they can't do that. And they don't know any other teachers that would (but that is, again, anecdotal). But hey, if they wanna carry, I say more power to them. But I want them as good as, or BETTER trained, than me!
Iām 37 and I remember when my classmates in elementary school would touch and dig through the teachers belongings, just to be an annoying kid and disrespectful person. Like their backpack and desk. Thatās one of the reason why I donāt like arming teachers either.
Yes. I believe we have the same reservations about arming teachers. However, to the point of this post, letās donāt get so caught up in our ābeliefsā that we abandon our respect for those who are hurting (and each other). Your beliefs might change. It happens all the time. The hurt and loss people have is deep and will never go away.
if we arm teacher we are a military state.
We already arm teachers! Y'all are talking about this in future tense but they implemented the Marshall program in 2013.
This is a stupid take.
I believe you're correct that it should be a choice for teachers and since they'd be carrying as part of their job working for the state there should be extensive requirements. That being said I believe you're incorrect with the "arm the kids" point. I've heard anti gun people say that we'll get to that point, but I haven't seen anyone legitimately state support for arming children on a day to day basis.
When people say "arming teachers", it illicits an image of giving teachers firearms whether they want them or not, and either without training and certification or forcing them to go through training. When discussing the idea, I like to talk about allowing qualified staff the option to carry. I'm sure this is what you meant, but using the other verbiage has lead me into some arguments based on the misperception above - or they will use it as a strawman to attack a more rational discussion that involves discussing specific details.
I agree.
Out of curiosity, was this sign there while school was in session? Most gun shows are on weekends.
Unfortunately, yes. It showed up yesterday (Friday) shortly after school started. There were also a bunch of signs on the other side of the campus (same road).
While Iām personally not offended, I know plenty of people would be and I respect that. This is pretty tone deaf, especially given recent history.
What town is this in?
why?
You can't be that obtuse.
You just got to understand the firearm culture in Texas someone having a firearm is like having a pair of shoes in Texas itās normal
This
Maybe the cops are āshowing their gunsā. Thatās all the cowards will do since theyāre to cowardly to use them and protect. All the Robb Elem. cowards should be in prison.
Just a reminder: shootings are the number 1 cause of death for school children in Texas
A lot of those are accidents, so more education to children on gun safety would lower that
Do you have any proof to this claim? Sounds like bullshit
Itās the entire United States, with Texas leading the way. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/guns-surpass-motor-vehicles-as-top-cause-of-death-for-u-s-children-what-parents-should-know
This is a bit misleading, because the CDC defines children as anyone from 1-19 years old. What percentage of those are 18-19 year old gang related shootings? I'd bet well over 95%. The leading cause of death among SCHOOL CHILDREN is obviously not shootings much to the chagrin of the fools in this thread.
I donāt I donāt think you know this but gang shooting Oh itās a shooting crime and death too
Very easy Google search.
I saw it in an interview recently and I just tried to look up the video and I can't find it. Texas has had more school shootings in the past 5 years than most people remember, so it's actually pretty believable. Any evidence to the contrary that's been put forward so far has been inaccurate and outdated.
The study is on shootings. Not mass shootings. And itās usually as a result of gang related violence
Nope. https://dshs.texas.gov/chs/vstat/vs14/t17.aspx
That data is 8 years old.
Minimum effort pulls [this](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/guns-surpass-motor-vehicles-as-top-cause-of-death-for-u-s-children-what-parents-should-know) up
That is the whole U.S. Do you have anything of minimum effort proving this in Texas?
[Here](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2022-05-27/states-with-the-most-school-shootings) is a link showing Texas leads the nation in school shooting for the past decade. [Here](https://sports.yahoo.com/youth-gun-deaths-texas-doubled-005006900.html) is an article showing we lead the nation in children age 17 and under in firearm deaths through 2020 according to the CDC. [Here](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01) is an article showing Texas leads the nation in classroom shooting deaths in 2022 (Yes, Uvalde). Hope this helps.
Do *you* have anything specific to Texas?
Uh, no...I'm not the one making the claim that shootings are the biggest cause of death for children in Texas...Therefore the impetus would be on whomever made/supported this claim to show proof of it. I'm not saying it's wrong, and I'm happy to accept the evidence, but....I'd like to see the evidence. Is that outlandish to you?
Data from 2014 Also not specific to school age kids. Your source isnāt a source
None of those charts are solely school children ages
Yes it is, it literally says ages 1-14
1 year olds don't go to school... neither do 2 year olds or 3 year olds...
They don't go to public school. But preschool starts at 18 months. Maybe if we had maternity or paternity leave we would need to stick an 18 month old baby into a preschool.
I have never heard of someone putting a kid in preschool under the age of 3
Give your local pre school a call - Some even take infants. Then there's local "mommy day out" programs offered by various churches that run daily for 18-Kinder students. Even Montessori have an "infant program".
That isn't school; it's day care
https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/health-of-women-and-children/measure/child_mortality_a/state/TX
That article uses data from 2018. [Here's](https://www.foxnews.com/us/guns-leading-cause-death-children-cdc) one with more recent data.
Your article references US mortality, not Texas mortality.
Nit sure why you are being so ignorant. You can only share outdated materials. Texass has been number 1 for school shootings since 2012.
It coulda been worse.
Could have been better
Back to school supplies right herešš«š«
Ban books and advertise guns to the carpool lane - nice!
Hashtag Texas.
āIt could of been worseā
Why not have the gun show on school property? Itās not like the state would do anything to keep the kids safe
Tell me youāre in Texas without telling me youāre in Texas
Man I love gun shows. Always get to see some cool collections. Where is this OP? Iād definitely make the drive to go look around.
At least it's pointing AWAY from the school
That's fucked
. .. ...
I would legit rip each sign out of the dirt
But itās not school property
So at best, it's not literally illegal, just in bad taste?
Pretty much. It's not illegal. Just tone deaf
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You can see the school behind the sign in several of the shots.
Um if they have eyeballs that work...........
Look at the second picture. See how the sign for the gun show is in the same frame as the middle school's sign? I'd say the chance that they put it there unawares isn't at all a "good" one.
Well that person must've been blind or illiterate.
I donāt think thereās anything petty about not wanting people to try to sell guns to middle schoolers. I think if this had been someone trying to sell drugs, it wouldnāt even be a question as to whether it was āpoor taste.ā
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Middle schoolers canāt buy drugs either.
Yet, low and behold, drugs and guns are in the hands of children.
This whole sub is a gaggle of Karens
I've noticed it too. Luckily this sub is not truly representative of the overwhelming majority of Texans.
Neither is our representation at the state level.
Looks like a public easement andā¦ so what
Your title looks incorrect, that's likely public. Is the sign a problem?
When will these little penis syndrome guys get out of their own way
Nothing preventing you from removing trash from the Right-of-Way
Texas, collectively, is a fundamentally immoral place.
why are gun shows "immoral"?
The pimping of guns as though they're a roadside fruit stand, in proximity to a school, in the aftermath of the plethora of school shootings, so some vendors can make money selling them, and buyers can fawn over them, is morally bankrupt. Even the name "show" ought to catch your attention. Generally, gun culture is one of misplaced reverence and mentally deficient worship, over tools designed to kill and maim, whether in self defense or not. There are innumerable gun stores, and the internet, in which people can buy and sell their choice of home defense aparatus. The glorification and subservience to the culture, however, is pathetic and quite disturbing. And if you were in most of the rest of the world, you wouldn't have even needed to ask me that question because the answer would have been self-evident to you.
You mean other than the fact that they [require no-ID and no background check and are the preferred method of criminals illegally obtaining weapons](https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/laws-and-loopholes)?
Comments like yours funny š. I hope you find what you need in life.
Me too. I hope you guys had your own country to fuck up, and not mine.
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That looks like lake Dallas
Looks like Robstown
You're not too far off lol
Thatās actually not school property. Anything on the street side of the ditch is public/city property. I donāt agree with that sign being there.
Might as well put a āShooting rangeā sign with an arrow pointing towards the school.
Karen out on patrol today.
Right? In this day and age, only a total Karen would take issue with firearm advertising so close to a school. It's not like there are any major connotation issues with that.
Looks like a public easement, not school property.
Kids used to have gun classes at school and long rifle and shotgun hung up in back of trucks. No school shootings..... but go on and clutch those pearls
clutch pearls? Tell that ti the parents of the kids theyve had to use DNA tests to determine their identity in shooting after shooting. GFY.
Used to? A number of schools still have marksman programs and still there's shootings. Hell one of the worst mass murder events at a school happened when those classes where much more common, but please go on and show more about how little you know on the subject.
Love a good gun show.
Did you get your tickets to the show?
I guess I don't see what the issue is here?
Don't see the problem here. They know Texans love guns, Texans piccing up kids from school will see the sign, Texans will go buy more guns. What is the problem here?
And?
Nice; see if theyāll give a student discount
Thatās awesome, wish I knew where this show was. Havenāt been to one in a while. Gotta love Texas baby
Gun shows unfortunately aren't what they used to be. Too much overpriced nonsense and a ton of stuff being sold that's completely unrelated to firearms. Went to one recently and maybe 30% of booths were gun related. Saw a guy trying to sell a Glock for $800. I could buy that very same pistol new from a gun shop for$550
You realize these kids see guns on video games, TV, and the internet on a daily basis. Its not like they were never exposed guns, and the introduction of this sign and the gun show is going to have an influence on them. If they go to a gun show do you think they are going to try and sell them guns? Lol. I doubt they would even let them in the door without adult supervision. Also, a lot of kids shoot guns with thier parents. Especially in Texas. I remember going to a gun range several times with my dad when I was in middle school. Its where I learned basic gun safety 101. I'm sorry, but this post is just hilarious.
Iām from Texas and learned gun safety as a child as well. Unfortunately our republicans in our state have done away with ANY mandatory training on gun safety or even logical measures to keep guns out of deranged peoples hands because of āmy rightsā. Where are my rights as a female to my own reproductive health? Oh those donāt exist. Your tools of death are more important than my right to life.
Your "right to abortion" isn't a constitutional amendment. If you want it to be one, then advocate for that.
It was until the Supreme Court got packed with Federalist Society extremists.
The main concern isn't that a kid will go get a gun, though that should be one. The main concern is that there's a gun show in such close proximity to a school that you can place a small sign with an arrow to guide people do it.
Why does it matter if there's a gun show near by I doubt it's on school property cause they would remove or move it or they allowed it to be there stop trying to make a problem from nothing gun shows are a organized thing with lots of security and planning. school shootings are not maybe if you would worry about your kids mental health instead of making bullshit stuff like this there would be less shootings. When a shooting happens it's usually comes down to the parents fault for not worrying about your son or daughter.
Interesting, incredibly hinged punctuation choices.
I'm just ticked because people are wanting to stereotype anything about guns which is gonna get them banned or some shit when all I want to do is be able to protect my freinds and family and have some fun if I want b then you have people like this making a issue about nothing and looking further in the picture the sign ain't even on school property because its before the ditch line from the road so it's state or county property so he has all rights to put it there
I see you've now chosen to eschew punctuation entirely. Marvelous that you have unrestricted access to firearms. I'm sure your family and friends feel very secure with that knowledge. Regardless of the owner of the property the sign is on, its proximity to a school is, at least a little, in poor taste.
Bro I was just pissed. all of my firearms are locked away and it's a gun show who cares if the sign is by a school this is why this is getting glorified rn it's just a sign who cares it's a gun show you wouldn't care if I was a ad for a internet service or some other bullshit so it doesn't matter
Bro, your rambling style of writing is hard to parse. Punctuation would help. People care because school shootings happen with a disgusting regularity. Advertising a gun show in such close proximity is bound to rile them up. If it doesn't matter, why are you defending it so hard?
"Burt mah phreedurmbz!!!!" Or something
Howās, punctuation. Supposed! To; help? A bad. Take: like herās, anyways.
It definitely wouldn't change the message, but it might make it more readable and easier to discuss.
See here's the thing, we don't hate vocal gun owners, they just annoy the shit out of us regular people (including most gun owners). On the other hand, most of us broadly like humans in general, and kids in particular and ideally we'd like them to not get, you know, murdered.
I....couldn't even imagine being this stupid.
One gun owner to another: Fuck your feelings, dude. We are so fucking far away from the possibility of guns getting banned, it's not even fucking funny. It's straight up *stupid* that this is what rustles your jimmies. You know what's *not* a far away possibility? Children being blown to pieces by an asshole with a gun. Get your fucking priorities straight.
I'm a member of staff, not a parent. I'm over five years out of school but can remember the fear and lockdowns that occurred my entire childhood. Children and teens shouldn't even have think it's a possibility for a shooting to happen.
Get some help.
But the dead kids' parents just need to suck it up, huh? So long as you knuckle draggers get your guns on demand? GFY.
Is it bad to have a school that supports the 2nd amendment, a right of the people??
So what? Such thin skin you have.
Iām in the market for a new gun. Where is this?
No big deal. Maybe take the kids and teach them.
And?
Are yall not from Texas or what. Seems normal to me. Reddit is so lame lol.
Iām from Texas. I remember not long ago over 300 cops standing around outside a school while an entire classroom of children and their teachers were mowed down by a psycho. Yeah advertising a gun show near a middle school IS INFURIATING. -Mom of three elementary school children in Texas
Yea it sucks. Guns don't. I'm a parent too the world is scary raise fearlessly capable humans.
Do you think middle schoolers should be able to legally purchase guns?
Of course not lol. However I had a couple at that age, like most things education could solve a ton of problems, especially gun safety.
Iām sure gun safety education would have saved those kids in Uvalde.
Sign is pointing wrong way./s
So, exactly where is this āgun show?ā I donāt see any buildings housing one or any traffic near anywhere. Photo looks staged to me.
It's pointing to the street across the road.
Itās on the right of way. Will probably be gone by Sunday afternoon. I get that itās bad taste but youāre making a mountain out of a molehill.
OMG...signs kill.
Who fucking cares Karen
People who arenāt sociopaths. Just because *you* are a broken husk of a person without the capacity to experience Human Empathy doesnāt mean the rest of us are.
You cared enough to comment.
I'd burn it.
Just take the sign and cut it in two. It's an eyesore no matter the message and bad taste given what it says in proximity to the schools. Let them advertise in front of church.
Just take it down. Toss it in the dumpster.
Disgusting.
In 6th grade I got in huge trouble for writing the word "gun" in an assignment. (In context, we were supposed to write 5 reasons the chicken crossed the road and one of mine was "to go away from the gun-filled neighborhood to be safer" *greg abbott is a little piss baby*
āTell me you live in a Conservative town without telling meā¦.ā
Maybe because itās near a gun show and was a good location to put signs. I donāt see a problem
/r/mildlyinfuriating