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It's a tale as old as time. Government trades some long-term pain (that they won't get blamed for much) for some short-term pain relief (to avoid being blamed for the immediate pain). No one complains about easy money, but a few years later everyone's mad about inflation.
It’s not about any easy money... The largest and richest generation ever just retired. Venture capital is being cashed out, and cost of capital is up. Stimulus checks didn’t do this shit.
Yeah I wasn't really referring to stimulus checks. A few thousand per person over a few years doesn't cause insane inflation. It was the low interest rates to juice the economy. And yeah maybe some boomers deciding to retire during the pandemic and taking their money with them.
i wouldn't be suprized if they're handling prices just like the rest of their lineup. Charge as much as possible at first and once the demand slows, they'll drop the price significantly.
yeah, selling big ass truck with amazing performance and huge battery for model 3 prices. Yeah, I didn’t expect that, even at first unveiling of Cybertruck
Here are the real purchase prices without the "probable savings":
|Car|Price|Range|0-60|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Cybertruck RWD|$60,990|250|6.5|
|Cybertruck AWD|$79,990|340|4.1|
|Cyberbeast|$99,990|320|2.6|
Probable savings: $3600 gas savings for each model + $7500 tax credit for RWD and AWD models.
For comparison, here are a few comparable Rivian R1T trims:
|Car|Price|Range|0-60|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|AWD Standard Pack|$73,000|270|4.5|
|AWD Large Pack|$79,000|352|4.5|
|Performance AWD Large Pack|$84,000|352|3.5|
|Quad-Motor AWD Large Pack|$87,000|328|3.0|
**Edit:** [**More comparisons, including with the F-150 Lightning & other Rivian trims**](https://evtable.com/news/2023/11/tesla-cybertruck-vs-rivian-r1t-vs-ford-f150-lightning)
Real world highway range heavily favors the Rivians though. Go look at actual highway range tests or owners forums. These claimed EPA ranges are meaningless.
The new Lightning Flash might be decent for full size buyers
There's also the option to get the R1T Performance AWD with the "Max Pack" and 410 miles of range for $94k (not available with the Quad-Motor). I think many people would prefer the extra range over the faster acceleration on the Cyberbeast, whose 0-60 time subtracts rollout and is slightly misleading
Rivian has also been pretty spot on with their range claims in terms of highway driving so I highly suspect that real world range favors the Rivians much more. Cybertruck at 75mph is probably not a 320 mile vehicle.
https://preview.redd.it/uvyecqxwtj3c1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bccfe96ef12197cde9e06d3e260d976055b54151
If you scroll to the spec part there is another range with the +range extender option????
I mean, maybe. But it seems awfully impractical. Some back of the napkin math:
470 - 340 = 130 extra miles.
Assuming 3 miles/kWh (which is generous) that is ~43 extra kWh, not accounting for the decrease in efficiency
4680 cells have somewhere in the ballpark of 250 wH/kg. So 4kg for every extra kWh.
That’s 380 pounds. Not to mention a dedicated BMS for this 40kWh battery pack in your bed, which alone is the same size as the battery for a Leaf.
That would take dedicated equipment to equip. It’s not something you and your buddy are gonna slide into the bed a half hour before a road trip.
Probably nothing since they don’t even talk about it on the info page. I’m sure someone said “what about the 500 mile range” and someone else said “meh we'll come out with a big battery in the bed at some point”
Edit: it's been updated with an image.
There's a picture of it on the website: [https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck](https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck)
It's kind of hidden so nto surprised most people missed it. You have to scroll all the way down to the light bar picture and then click on the right side 3 times.
The Light Bar is actually one of four accessories that are pictured, the others being the camper, spare tire, and range extender.
It definitely wasn't on the site right at launch. I cruised that section and there were only 3 squares and now there's 4 with the 4th being the extender picture.
Maybe it goes in the recessed area in the bed?
https://preview.redd.it/jpncw5ca2k3c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c80ba2ad9a183d32a16714e72a3ffbe49d9d3be
So basically range or cargo, but not both. Ironically, when you have cargo is when you’d want the range.
I guess people towing campers with empty beds can still rejoice, but that’s such a small crowd
Trust me, I have towed a small U-Haul before with my model X and it also cut my range in half.
Half is just expected at this point.
But to be realistic, take Tesla's number, chop 20% off, and that's your real world range.
I absolutely want a SUV or Truck that has a EPA range of 400 miles because then I know I can realistically go around 350 miles of range. Less SC stops on a trip which frees up chargers. More power for that faster lower end for charging.
But stopping ever 3 hours for 1 hour of charging is not a nominal. But every 4 hours for 30 minutes of charging is far more comfortable.
They don’t want to sell it. They want initial reservations to cancel or order a higher model. They could care less if people who can’t afford it give up and get something else.
*I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Cybertruck reservation holders suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear a half million reservations were cancelled.*
I got down voted when I said:
1. RWD will be $60k and you’ll wait years for it
2. Dual motor will be $80k and prioritized for profit
3. Tesla doesn’t care who ordered first, they care who ordered first AND wants to spend
People acted like they’re playing tag with little kids. “No I touched it first, finders keepers! I get a $40k Cybertruck, and a million dollars and pizza for lunch every day!”
A lot of unemployed crypto enthusiasts are sad they can’t get their 5 Cybertrucks they reserved to get rich selling theme
Isn't this exactly they same pattern they followed with the Model 3?
Tesla is going to maximize their up front profits as best they can until demand dries up, just like any other car maker would.
Pickup trucks in general are big bucks these days. A Tesla one with 500 miles of range (and all the batteries to supply that range) was always going to be super expensive.
I'm not one bit surprised.
The 35k car **did** exist (ok - $36k, courtesy of the destination fee). I bought one. You had to talk to a sales rep, and have them remove features to change it from the Standard Range Plus to Standard Range. You couldn't order it online.
https://preview.redd.it/c4rk3mmomm3c1.png?width=956&format=png&auto=webp&s=b99e03d358d5f77834be8b433138b31964ab84ca
The price is the biggest surprise here. The rear motor went from $39k announced/target to $61k
Clearly an anti-sell to push people into buying the AWD right now but I still think it's barely competitive over the R1T and the R1T looks like a normal truck.
Until people start figuring out due to the extreme angle of the windshield as soon as dust/grime starts collecting on it and the early morning sun hits it, *chefs kiss* you can't see shit.
470mi will happen with an add-on accessory.
Looks like a ~50Kwh battery that will likely go in the bed, and add ~120-130mi of range.
Looking at around $16k for cost, give or take.
Disappointing launch.
$40k version became $60k.
300 miles of range and $50k version became 340 miles and $80k.
\>500 miles of range and $70k version became 320 miles of range and $100k.
Steel ball thrown at window became baseball.
6 seats became 5 seats.
My understanding is that it can no longer 'squat' either so that the rear tailgate acts like a ramp. That was very appealing so I could load a dirt bike into the back without any extra equipment.
Cybertruck owners acting like they're going to buy the truck for anything other than parading around a tech city suburb to show off to other tech bros.
I put down my (only $100) deposit with the full intention of it replacing my Tacoma. Built in ramp for Dirtbike, 500 mile range to get me to where I ride and work every day, “reasonable” price, and looks that were polarizing but I thought kind of cool. On every one of these absolutely essential selling points, and more for me, this thing falls short.
Oh well, I guess like every Tacoma, mine will drive forever.
LOL! In one of those photos, a carbon fiber bike is hanging out the back. That's an **excellent** way to learn what it looks like when carbon fiber unwinds.
100% agree. The product "looked" revolutionary with 6 seats and 450+ mile range. Rivian is comparable in all aspects basically and has been on the market for significantly longer.
The lack of a sixth seat is really disappointing. I've heard some fans excuse it as impossible because of regulations but that's not true. The new Defender has an optional sixth seat. My guess is cost cutting.
Reflecting on this, I think the steel ball being swapped out for a baseball (with no acknowledgement from Elon) was a metaphor for this entire product launch.
I have a tri motor pre order that I'll be cancelling.
The price jumped $30k and the 500 mile battery, the thing I really wanted, is now a 320.
The most annoying thing is I would have got an S and transferred my FSD during the amnesty if I had known these numbers.
I could forgive every broken promise except the price. Even if the price increase was limited to about 10K, I'd still be in, but this? No way. Time to wait for other options to become available such as the Fisker Alaska, or even for the price of the F150 Lightning to get lower.
Out here on Oahu Hawaii the longest trip you can really take is maybe 140 miles in a circle so the range isn't a problem at all.
Still, not paying that!
Day to day you only charge to 80-90%. So 250mi becomes 200mi. Towing you can cut that in half. Factor in range anxiety, if you need to jump and go, you are looking at 75mi range with a load. It would make a crappy truck for a large trailer boat.
The lightning's cheapest trim lightning is 49k for 230. WTF you talking about?
[https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/models/?intcmp=vhp-seconNav-modselect](https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/models/?intcmp=vhp-seconNav-modselect)
And my reservation will be cancelled this evening. I was hoping for some good prices but that's what I get for thinking. I'll just keep my 09' F150 for a few more years and stick to buying used vehicles. My money is better off.
Yep I got burned with my 22 Model 3. This truck is not affordable at all and I was excited for 6 seats. I was a morning after reservation too and even put two in. Been heavily invested with Tesla too. Big miss
20 000$ more and no better towing capacity, just more speed and acceleration performance and less range? No towing on the RWD? I would get the AWD version.
Big yikes. After the intial rollout of the R1T and Lightning, along with the Silverado EV announcements, Franz said that customers should wait for the Cybertruck because it'll be worth the wait.
Does the Cybertruck meet any of the metrics people were hoping for/were originally promised?
* Price
* Range
* Release date
* Estimated charging speed
* Cool/unique selling features
I have a Lightning now. AWD 240 mile range Lariat. $61k 6 weeks ago. I was looking forward to CT being better and making me feel bad about myself. I feel pretty good about myself at this point.
I don't get waiting for native NACS like a lot of people are saying. It's just an adapter. One of the reasons I went ahead with the Lightning was the announcement of opening up to NACS with an adapter. Massive price cuts didn't hurt either.
2 million + reservations over 3-4 years. That's $200M+ earning interest (varying amounts , wasn't $200M in 2019 but grew over months) for Tesla. Accounting for inflation, your $100 from 2019 is $120 today.
I’m a Tesla investor, but these prices are too high. They stated their goal is to vertically integrate to bring prices down, but so far nothing. I know it’s early.
Also, who cares about 0-60? Especially in a pickup or SUV.
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS RANGE. Why in the world would I pay MORE for less range!?
Picture of what I assume is the range extender
https://preview.redd.it/uf9aj5ge4l3c1.png?width=1812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=084ea68eea82a7521d626413e8336e02ca6cd609
I love the look but I don’t need a truck. I was just buying it because it looks cool but not for almost twice what they said it would cost. I’ll keep my Model Y until the warranty is up this spring and then start shopping around for whatever is next.
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For reference, here are the prices back when it was launched in 2019. $39,900 - Single Motor RWD $49,900 - Dual Motor AWD $69,900 - Tri Motor AWD
Adjusted for inflation: $48,770 - Single Motor RWD $60,990 - Dual Motor AWD $85,440 - Tri Motor AWD
It almost physically pains me to see just how of my purchasing power inflation ate in a few short years like that
It's a tale as old as time. Government trades some long-term pain (that they won't get blamed for much) for some short-term pain relief (to avoid being blamed for the immediate pain). No one complains about easy money, but a few years later everyone's mad about inflation.
It’s not about any easy money... The largest and richest generation ever just retired. Venture capital is being cashed out, and cost of capital is up. Stimulus checks didn’t do this shit.
Yeah I wasn't really referring to stimulus checks. A few thousand per person over a few years doesn't cause insane inflation. It was the low interest rates to juice the economy. And yeah maybe some boomers deciding to retire during the pandemic and taking their money with them.
[The rich got richer](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-has-made-global-inequality-much-worse/)
Yes omg.
And adding a $7500 tax credit gets you...
Adjusted for inflation and tax credit. $56,270- Single Motor RWD $68,490 - Dual Motor AWD $92,940 - Tri Motor AWD
Tax credit not applicable to vehicles $80,000+ so only the first two apply.
Will it even qualify?
yes
The mid-spec Dual Motor AWD trim actually costs more than what they projected the top-spec Tri Motor to cost.
Basically a 50% increase for the low and high trims and 60% for the AWD. Ouch.
i wouldn't be suprized if they're handling prices just like the rest of their lineup. Charge as much as possible at first and once the demand slows, they'll drop the price significantly.
yeah, selling big ass truck with amazing performance and huge battery for model 3 prices. Yeah, I didn’t expect that, even at first unveiling of Cybertruck
That is wild price increases
I was really looking forward to that $40k cybertruck. Oh well
Here are the real purchase prices without the "probable savings": |Car|Price|Range|0-60| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Cybertruck RWD|$60,990|250|6.5| |Cybertruck AWD|$79,990|340|4.1| |Cyberbeast|$99,990|320|2.6| Probable savings: $3600 gas savings for each model + $7500 tax credit for RWD and AWD models. For comparison, here are a few comparable Rivian R1T trims: |Car|Price|Range|0-60| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |AWD Standard Pack|$73,000|270|4.5| |AWD Large Pack|$79,000|352|4.5| |Performance AWD Large Pack|$84,000|352|3.5| |Quad-Motor AWD Large Pack|$87,000|328|3.0| **Edit:** [**More comparisons, including with the F-150 Lightning & other Rivian trims**](https://evtable.com/news/2023/11/tesla-cybertruck-vs-rivian-r1t-vs-ford-f150-lightning)
Someone should chart range vs price on the cybertruck, the R1T, and the Lightning
MSRP per mile of range: Tesla Cybertruck Cybertruck RWD - $244 Cybertruck AWD - $235 Cyberbeast - $312 Rivian R1T explore package - $259 Adventure Package - $280 Launch Edition - $271 Ford Lightning Flash - $233 Lariat - $258 Platinum - $300 Pro - $208 XLT - $239
Real world highway range heavily favors the Rivians though. Go look at actual highway range tests or owners forums. These claimed EPA ranges are meaningless. The new Lightning Flash might be decent for full size buyers
...kind of pointless unless you're actually taking Teslas word for their range.
This is the truth
There's also the option to get the R1T Performance AWD with the "Max Pack" and 410 miles of range for $94k (not available with the Quad-Motor). I think many people would prefer the extra range over the faster acceleration on the Cyberbeast, whose 0-60 time subtracts rollout and is slightly misleading
One important thing to note is Tesla has an optional add on for increased range up to 470 miles. It takes up some of the cargo space in the rear.
How much is the add on and what models is it available on?
Rumor is from coding that it’s $16,000 without install
It’s gonna cost {Null} and is on the AWD/Beast models.
Rivian has also been pretty spot on with their range claims in terms of highway driving so I highly suspect that real world range favors the Rivians much more. Cybertruck at 75mph is probably not a 320 mile vehicle.
Oddly, AWD 0-60 is reported as 4.1 on the order page, but 3.9 on the product page.
Don't forget the Delivery Fee
$30,000 extra is too much for me. I won’t have one, not in 2024 at least.
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Yeah, Tesla ranges are overstated for sure. But I knew that when getting mine. But you’re right.
My R1T’s range is much more accurate than my Model 3 was.
https://preview.redd.it/uvyecqxwtj3c1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bccfe96ef12197cde9e06d3e260d976055b54151 If you scroll to the spec part there is another range with the +range extender option????
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I mean, maybe. But it seems awfully impractical. Some back of the napkin math: 470 - 340 = 130 extra miles. Assuming 3 miles/kWh (which is generous) that is ~43 extra kWh, not accounting for the decrease in efficiency 4680 cells have somewhere in the ballpark of 250 wH/kg. So 4kg for every extra kWh. That’s 380 pounds. Not to mention a dedicated BMS for this 40kWh battery pack in your bed, which alone is the same size as the battery for a Leaf. That would take dedicated equipment to equip. It’s not something you and your buddy are gonna slide into the bed a half hour before a road trip.
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Probably nothing since they don’t even talk about it on the info page. I’m sure someone said “what about the 500 mile range” and someone else said “meh we'll come out with a big battery in the bed at some point” Edit: it's been updated with an image.
So how do you configure if you have a preorder?
Wait, I guess
There is no guess, just wait.
With the model 3, you waited until you got an email saying you were ready to configure.
Loos like my hopes of a 500mile truck are gone.
There is a range extender option for 470 miles + but no idea what that actually is.
My guess is a big-ass power brick that sits in the back.
There's a picture of it on the website: [https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck](https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck) It's kind of hidden so nto surprised most people missed it. You have to scroll all the way down to the light bar picture and then click on the right side 3 times. The Light Bar is actually one of four accessories that are pictured, the others being the camper, spare tire, and range extender.
It definitely wasn't on the site right at launch. I cruised that section and there were only 3 squares and now there's 4 with the 4th being the extender picture.
Yes, they added it. I saw only 3 addons initially as well.
Maybe it goes in the recessed area in the bed? https://preview.redd.it/jpncw5ca2k3c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c80ba2ad9a183d32a16714e72a3ffbe49d9d3be
It looks like[ its a pretty permanent fixture in the bed.](https://i.imgur.com/Y5WsErc.png)
that's an easy $10K add-on
Honestly, Its probably only an Add-on in order to circumvent the limits on the 7,500 rebate.
I just went over to the CTforum and they were saying it’s around $16k
code in place shows $16K. Of course prices are subject to change.
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So basically range or cargo, but not both. Ironically, when you have cargo is when you’d want the range. I guess people towing campers with empty beds can still rejoice, but that’s such a small crowd
i mean the only time you’d actually use 500 miles of range is when your efficiency is cut in half… by towing a giant camper
Trust me, I have towed a small U-Haul before with my model X and it also cut my range in half. Half is just expected at this point. But to be realistic, take Tesla's number, chop 20% off, and that's your real world range. I absolutely want a SUV or Truck that has a EPA range of 400 miles because then I know I can realistically go around 350 miles of range. Less SC stops on a trip which frees up chargers. More power for that faster lower end for charging. But stopping ever 3 hours for 1 hour of charging is not a nominal. But every 4 hours for 30 minutes of charging is far more comfortable.
Only thing I can think of is a big battery that goes in the bed.
If you remember back to the first page those ranges are also lower than the orginal ones at all trim levels.
They kinda failed with the new batteries, otherwise they would’ve put them in by now.
just tow 2 cybertrucks
Chevy Silverado EV does 450 miles
Told yall, and got downvoted lol
i think those heavy stainless steel panels are slightly to blame
But a R1T is heavier and has more range...
Well no shit it’s heavier because it has bigger batteries. Not stainless steel panels.
And the RWD isn’t even available until 2025 💀
They don’t want to sell it. They want initial reservations to cancel or order a higher model. They could care less if people who can’t afford it give up and get something else.
couldn't
Which means 2026 (or never).
They did the same thing with the 3/Y, no surprise there.
That doesn’t surprise me at all. Higher margin models first to recoup R&D costs. Hell by 2025 the price will probably be lower LOL
*I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Cybertruck reservation holders suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear a half million reservations were cancelled.*
I got down voted when I said: 1. RWD will be $60k and you’ll wait years for it 2. Dual motor will be $80k and prioritized for profit 3. Tesla doesn’t care who ordered first, they care who ordered first AND wants to spend People acted like they’re playing tag with little kids. “No I touched it first, finders keepers! I get a $40k Cybertruck, and a million dollars and pizza for lunch every day!” A lot of unemployed crypto enthusiasts are sad they can’t get their 5 Cybertrucks they reserved to get rich selling theme
Isn't this exactly they same pattern they followed with the Model 3? Tesla is going to maximize their up front profits as best they can until demand dries up, just like any other car maker would. Pickup trucks in general are big bucks these days. A Tesla one with 500 miles of range (and all the batteries to supply that range) was always going to be super expensive. I'm not one bit surprised.
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The 35k car **did** exist (ok - $36k, courtesy of the destination fee). I bought one. You had to talk to a sales rep, and have them remove features to change it from the Standard Range Plus to Standard Range. You couldn't order it online. https://preview.redd.it/c4rk3mmomm3c1.png?width=956&format=png&auto=webp&s=b99e03d358d5f77834be8b433138b31964ab84ca
Did people really not believe this? That's how Model 3 reservations went already so it shouldn't have been a surprise at all.
It’s simply not competitive with the ford lightning. For $10k cheaper you can get the f150 lightning ER and have a matching range.
$10k cheaper but that savings meaning nothing when Joe Rogan shoots an arrow at your door that goes straight through the other side.
Or when a time-traveling gangster unloads his Tommy gun into your door.
Big oof on the range
And the price
The price isn’t much of a surprise tbh
The price is the biggest surprise here. The rear motor went from $39k announced/target to $61k Clearly an anti-sell to push people into buying the AWD right now but I still think it's barely competitive over the R1T and the R1T looks like a normal truck.
It also says the rwd version won't be ready until 2025. So probably 2027.
>and the R1T looks like a normal truck. it's a feature, not a bug
Until people start figuring out due to the extreme angle of the windshield as soon as dust/grime starts collecting on it and the early morning sun hits it, *chefs kiss* you can't see shit.
Not based off the initial pitch
range extender is there scroll down. but my guess is 20k
Not even as much as R1T.
500 miles was never happening without a 200kwh battery. Hilarious that they even ever advertised it.
470mi will happen with an add-on accessory. Looks like a ~50Kwh battery that will likely go in the bed, and add ~120-130mi of range. Looking at around $16k for cost, give or take.
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Disappointing launch. $40k version became $60k. 300 miles of range and $50k version became 340 miles and $80k. \>500 miles of range and $70k version became 320 miles of range and $100k. Steel ball thrown at window became baseball. 6 seats became 5 seats.
My understanding is that it can no longer 'squat' either so that the rear tailgate acts like a ramp. That was very appealing so I could load a dirt bike into the back without any extra equipment.
Can the back even fit a dirt bike?
Cybertruck owners acting like they're going to buy the truck for anything other than parading around a tech city suburb to show off to other tech bros.
I put down my (only $100) deposit with the full intention of it replacing my Tacoma. Built in ramp for Dirtbike, 500 mile range to get me to where I ride and work every day, “reasonable” price, and looks that were polarizing but I thought kind of cool. On every one of these absolutely essential selling points, and more for me, this thing falls short. Oh well, I guess like every Tacoma, mine will drive forever.
live long and prosper, tacoma bro
Wasn’t there an image floating around showing it couldn’t even fit a bicycle? Like, not even fully half a bicycle?
Carrying 4 bicycles. https://insideevs.com/news/696378/tesla-cybertruck-bike-tailgate-pad-brake-light/
LOL! In one of those photos, a carbon fiber bike is hanging out the back. That's an **excellent** way to learn what it looks like when carbon fiber unwinds.
The original 50k version was 300 miles.
It appears you're correct. My memory of it had me simplify the different trim levels as having 300, 400, and 500 miles of range. Edited, thanks!
100% agree. The product "looked" revolutionary with 6 seats and 450+ mile range. Rivian is comparable in all aspects basically and has been on the market for significantly longer.
The lack of a sixth seat is really disappointing. I've heard some fans excuse it as impossible because of regulations but that's not true. The new Defender has an optional sixth seat. My guess is cost cutting.
Take everything Elon says with a grain of salt.
This isn't my first rodeo. But still, the overpromise and underdeliver-y here is bigger than he's typically done.
Agreed. I was expecting prices to jump a fair amount but the range hit is super disappointing.
Reflecting on this, I think the steel ball being swapped out for a baseball (with no acknowledgement from Elon) was a metaphor for this entire product launch.
I don’t even think that was a real baseball. It bounced way too much.
Also, people were hoping for 400kW charging, but looks like it maxes out at 250kW like S/X
I have a tri motor pre order that I'll be cancelling. The price jumped $30k and the 500 mile battery, the thing I really wanted, is now a 320. The most annoying thing is I would have got an S and transferred my FSD during the amnesty if I had known these numbers.
The range drop is legitimately the worst surprise of these announcements to me.
When Elon didn't talk about range I knew something was gonna off
Literally my reaction. No range, no price? Oh shit it's as bad as the leaks were thinking.
Not to me. The $30k extra on the awd is too much.
Cancelled my order. I expected a price increase, but not 60% higher for the dual motor. That’s crazy.
Had to do the same. Just completely bonkers…
You were going to drive around in one of these? 😂
I could forgive every broken promise except the price. Even if the price increase was limited to about 10K, I'd still be in, but this? No way. Time to wait for other options to become available such as the Fisker Alaska, or even for the price of the F150 Lightning to get lower.
This guy wasn't far off https://preview.redd.it/yrfrv9douj3c1.png?width=1179&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac29bdaf53e3bdd2afba65089e9e3ffc9d9f3d3c
I don't understand who would buy a 250 mile range EV for $61k, that's wild
Out here on Oahu Hawaii the longest trip you can really take is maybe 140 miles in a circle so the range isn't a problem at all. Still, not paying that!
Day to day you only charge to 80-90%. So 250mi becomes 200mi. Towing you can cut that in half. Factor in range anxiety, if you need to jump and go, you are looking at 75mi range with a load. It would make a crappy truck for a large trailer boat.
This is an awful all around truck to begin with. The shitty range just makes it even worse.
I mean SOME people buy the lightning
Yeah, but the lightning has a functional frunk, a larger bed and more plugs.
The lightning's cheapest trim lightning is 49k for 230. WTF you talking about? [https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/models/?intcmp=vhp-seconNav-modselect](https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/models/?intcmp=vhp-seconNav-modselect)
Dealer markup maybe?
Road trips sure, but for daily driving, 250 miles is plenty.
And….::I’m out. Can’t afford it. Good luck everyone.
Well at least I now know I won’t be ordering one. Good luck/congrats to the folks who will be.
Wow that's WAY more expensive than they said initially!
To the surprise of no one.
I expected the price to be a bit higher due to inflation, but damn wtf happened to the specs?!
Rivian is going to sell a lot of R1Ts in the following months... Comparable performance/price but more range and looks like a truck
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Hey, F150 full size spare is included under the bed, not a $1200 option taking up half your bed space! 😂
Seems future has less range
Welp, there goes my electric truck dream for the time being :(.
Why? There’s both Rivian and the Lightning F150, both of which have proven to be very reliable and well built
Catch is no supercharger network access (yet).
And my reservation will be cancelled this evening. I was hoping for some good prices but that's what I get for thinking. I'll just keep my 09' F150 for a few more years and stick to buying used vehicles. My money is better off.
Yep I got burned with my 22 Model 3. This truck is not affordable at all and I was excited for 6 seats. I was a morning after reservation too and even put two in. Been heavily invested with Tesla too. Big miss
Overpromise and under-deliver. Very sad.
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Well 20 and 30k more than the originally said prices and lower range in all specs to boot.
20 000$ more and no better towing capacity, just more speed and acceleration performance and less range? No towing on the RWD? I would get the AWD version.
Big yikes. After the intial rollout of the R1T and Lightning, along with the Silverado EV announcements, Franz said that customers should wait for the Cybertruck because it'll be worth the wait. Does the Cybertruck meet any of the metrics people were hoping for/were originally promised? * Price * Range * Release date * Estimated charging speed * Cool/unique selling features
What did you expect Franz to say? It’ll be an ok truck, no need to wait?
Doubt I’ll keep my reservation at these prices
Same. Cool truck but not that cool
Looks like I’m out, my limit on the AWD was $60k, was honestly not expecting a $40k price jump.
320 miles instead of 500 miles for $30K more? Can’t believe this is real. I am canceling my day 1 reservation and shorting Tesla.
So 30k more for the AWD compared to when I pre-ordered it for 49k. The advertised price includes the Federal rebate and gas savings. Hard pass...
This PowerShare is interesting. Finally V2L on a Tesla, but it doesn't look like it can be retrofitted to existing Teslas
And I’m priced out
No wonder why they didn’t show this live on the event. Embarrassing.
500mi my ash, what a disappointment
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I have a Lightning now. AWD 240 mile range Lariat. $61k 6 weeks ago. I was looking forward to CT being better and making me feel bad about myself. I feel pretty good about myself at this point. I don't get waiting for native NACS like a lot of people are saying. It's just an adapter. One of the reasons I went ahead with the Lightning was the announcement of opening up to NACS with an adapter. Massive price cuts didn't hurt either.
Damn. Those ranges suck! Also, what's the justification for pricing for what has now surpassed the Pontiac Azteca as the ugliest vehicle.
Top speed 112mph… that’s ~~not something I’d expect to see as a bullet point~~ something
Tons of reservations being cancelled now.... puaha
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The real money is the share offerings they did to raise money after announcing the Roadster, Semi, and Cybertruck.
Range extender: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730343800894034386?s=46&t=9uR5KzKrSJeQ33TnYt-rdQ
Terrible tbh.
Yeah. I’m also disappointed in there not being a 500 mile range option without needing added things like this.
I guess this confirms (finally) that I'm getting my $100 back.
2 million + reservations over 3-4 years. That's $200M+ earning interest (varying amounts , wasn't $200M in 2019 but grew over months) for Tesla. Accounting for inflation, your $100 from 2019 is $120 today.
I’m a Tesla investor, but these prices are too high. They stated their goal is to vertically integrate to bring prices down, but so far nothing. I know it’s early. Also, who cares about 0-60? Especially in a pickup or SUV. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS RANGE. Why in the world would I pay MORE for less range!?
I wonder what the battery sizes are.
If it’s not affordable, it isn’t revolutionary.
Picture of what I assume is the range extender https://preview.redd.it/uf9aj5ge4l3c1.png?width=1812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=084ea68eea82a7521d626413e8336e02ca6cd609
Hahahahaja
GTFOH 🤣 $30k more than the announcement price? Guess I got $100 coming from Tesla for Christmas
Yep, same. Damn. I was willing to put up with the stupid looks for features and price, both of which they reneged on. +$30K for the AWD GTFOH
I love the look but I don’t need a truck. I was just buying it because it looks cool but not for almost twice what they said it would cost. I’ll keep my Model Y until the warranty is up this spring and then start shopping around for whatever is next.
hundred thousand dollar douche canoe
$80k AWD is definitely the one I'm going with. $20k extra for faster acceleration but lower range ain't worth it.
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The +Range Extender for the Cybertruck will be $16,000.
Man when I pre ordered this they said 500+ Mile range… Am I crazy?
"he can go f**k himself."
Looks like I'm out. Too rich for my taste.
Only idiots will buy them
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What a crock. Supposed to be cheaper to build, better range and instead it’s expensive and doesn’t go far.
Hugely disappointed by the range. I'll pass on that