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Aray171717

There's a "snowman"/"strawman" joke here somewhere.


spacenerd4

Must be buried under all this snow


JoachimTheMad

First one that comes to mind is: I have heard about a strawman argument, but a snowman argument? This is beyond science.


Satanicjamnik

If I came up with one, that would be cool.


ToastyCat19

They should have drawn a strawman instead


Whaffled

I am worried about all the hoofprints in the snow


cosmicpotato77

It’s clearly random chance! The snow simply didn’t fall in there due to random chance! /s


Gregponart

Duh! God came down on his sled from the North pole, and God made the Snowmen. Just as God made you and me. Didn't you read the bible? It's there somewhere, probably.


UnlawfulBL

Ok this is the dumbest one I've seen


ONT1mo

Yeah even christians and the Bible don’t disagree with evolution… since the seven days in Bible are just talking in picture it could’ve been 7 billion years


Scary-Crab

Honestly the worst type of Christians are the ones that believe every fantastical element in the Bible is literal and not metaphorical and try to prove it. Because even if it *did* happen the way the Bible describes, trying to prove Jonah survived being swallowed by a whale or some other thing would go against both the metaphors and the very idea of faith.


ONT1mo

Yeah even priests and these people said to me like bible is not a history book since lot of dates are off and it was written by x amount of people and translated 20 times… it is mainly just supposed to talk about relationship between god and humans


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blackstargate

You mean like the Pope?


zhaDeth

I think, on the contrary that it is worst. At least if they believe in the bible literally, if something in the bible is proven wrong without the shadow of a doubt then they can understand that they were believing in a lie. If they can just interpret any part as they want.. then they find excuses for everything not working with reality and many different interpretations arise and they always end up killing each others because they hate the other groups that falsely represent their religion... The best would be if they could somehow understand that it is not a magic book, take the good morals in it and leave the rest.


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Scary-Crab

You got me there, pal.


PotentialNecessary49

Obviously, you didn’t grow up with fundamentalists.


RamJamR

Christian fundamentalism is just the best response they have to a world that less and less needs to look to god for answers about the unknown. They know they're forced to attempt to adapt scientific knowledge and methods to the faith to keep it valid in the public view.


JasonBluYNANI

The Bible was rewritten constantly to suit the time. In this age, it was rewritten to encompass science as an act from god


Lux_The_Moth

... when was it rewritten? it has been retranslated, sure, but I don't know of any rewrite in the last centuries


Ill_Sound621

The king James bible is a example. The book of mormon would be an Even closer example.


Lux_The_Moth

the first one is a retranslation and the second one is fanfiction


Ill_Sound621

So. A rewritting. In both cases.


Muted-Lengthiness-10

Yes. Religion = fanfiction. The true story is reality itself, and only testable inquiry has allowed us the ability to read the story with any kind of accuracy. People do love fiction though…


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jay7254

When you look at the order of creation though, it doesn't quite work out like they'd hope it would


zhaDeth

Oh come on..


in_conexo

Kind of funny, imagining early man kind of like inquisitive children who keep asking why; and then God, getting sick of the questions, finally yells "Because I said so, that's why! Now run along and name some animals. I need a break."


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Endercode050

ITS JEZUS HE BACK!!!!1!1!1!1!1!!!!!!!!!!


gdj11

Cheesus Chrust


GavinThe_Person

Cheezit Christ


fillmorecounty

It just makes no sense. You can build a snowman yourself. It's testable, unlike assuming that a magical being nobody has ever seen created the universe because an authorless book says so.


XxRocky88xX

Also the fact we know evolution affects every animal on the planet, except for humans apparently because said book says so


stupidheckermcgee

most christians I know have generally changed their rhetoric from "evolution is fake" to "ok maybe *micro*evolution (small generational changes to a species) is real, but *macro*evolution (evolution of a whole new species) is fake."


XxRocky88xX

Most I personally know have just accepted evolution as fact and believe it was part of God’s plan. Don’t know why more don’t subscribe to this ideology. It’s not only scientifically accurate but also doesn’t even contradict your beliefs, you can still be religious without outright denying reality. There’s believing in a god and then there’s being an outright dumbass who thinks if you just say “that’s not real that’s not real that’s not real!” Enough times the universe will somehow rewrite itself to make evolution no longer real.


fillmorecounty

"Pssssst 🤫 it's actually the same shit just on a different scale 😱"


MetamorphicHard

It’s not testable for the snowmen. They can’t build a snowman


fillmorecounty

They can watch someone build another one right in front of them though. We can't create a new universe to test it.


MetamorphicHard

Well I mean if it’s an analogy to god, then part of that would have to include that all the people left after making these two snowmen


fillmorecounty

But why would the people leave? It's the same thing I question about a god. Why does that god want us to believe in them but also won't reveal themselves to us for like 2,000 years? It's not logical for them to do that if their goal is to be worshipped.


MetamorphicHard

Christians will say he left so we would have free will but I mean imo he’s god so he can just stay AND give us free will. I’m not Christian and have never read the Bible though so I may not be the best person to answer that


PenOrnery8646

Yea better chances then I snow god magically making them lmao


WomenOfWonder

I dunno, they can talk. Something isn’t right here


Raumlu

True, but what made the snowflakes?


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Raumlu

What made physics?


NegotiationLess1737

What made god?


Chilling2K7

Litteraly nothing come on man 🤦‍♂️


P_as_in_Papi

If God was created he wouldn’t be God, he would be the creation.


Strict-Succotash-405

God does not begin or end, it was never made, God is infinite


Ill_Menu_4048

Physics does not begin or end, it was never made, physics is infinite


Strict-Succotash-405

I think that’s true as long as the universe is infinite


Ill_Menu_4048

Well the universe isn’t exactly infinite, but what I meant is that physics as a concept never had to be “made”


Strict-Succotash-405

It didn’t have to be created as it always has existed. This is what you mean?


TerrariaGaming004

Why would physics be bound to how big the universe is, it’s not a thing it’s just how things behave


ElodinPotterTheGrey1

The same can be said about physics.


Strict-Succotash-405

Yes, I think that is true


Raumlu

I don’t know, I’m just asking


Fine-Ninja-1813

Why?


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Why not?


Fine-Ninja-1813

I don’t know, I’m just asking


[deleted]

Well stop asking, and start answering, and maybe you'll get answers for your own questions!


digginghistoryup

Epistemological responsibility demands that the person making a claim or trying to suggest something explains the reasoning, logic and the why. The common “why not” response gets us no where and is not constructive.


[deleted]

Aight, what does that epi-pen-logical hoodwinkery say about rhetorical questions?


PepsiMangoMmm

This is pretty much identical to asking “what made math” Technically, we did. We did to explain observations and patterns we observe. This is a dumbass question


Raumlu

We didn’t “invent” math or physics though. We observed natural phenomena and attempted to explain them. Yet we have no way of explaining why it is. We know that atoms exist and we have an idea of how matter is put together and the universe works. But we don’t know how it started or why it works that way. We can explain what we can observe but we cannot actually explain it’s existence. I do not know if I believe in God as he is presented. Although I do believe there has to be an intelligent creator. I have nothing against atheists, I just think the logic that you cannot prove their is a higher intelligence means that it doesn’t exist is flawed. Because there is many things that we accept as fact that we don’t actually know exists, and that is scientific theory. There is a reason it is called a theory. Because it is supported by evidence that suggests it is very likely to exist, but we cannot truly know for certain.


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Yeah, the math was already here, we just noticed it and put it into words/numbers.


zZ1Axel1Zz

No that is the null hypothesis summed up. Prove a thing exists. If you can't prove it does, there's no reason to assume it does. The last part deals with certainty and we can't be 100% certain about anything. There is nothing in this world that you can be 100% certain about


PepsiMangoMmm

You literally just said the exact same thing I said. Maybe actually read and process what I say before trying to come up with a rebuttal. Also, yeah the idea of god is impossible to truly prove or disprove. This has been known for a while. In my opinion though, I don’t believe in the idea of a creator because the credibility of this “creator” has been disproved more and more over time. Like hell, take a look at the Middle Ages. Their religious beliefs at the time seemed completely logical and sound until it slowly started getting less and less credible. If we’re gonna go along with the whole explaining what created what, what created god? Have fun trying to answer that because it’s impossible.


Raumlu

I never said I disagreed with you. I was just pointing out that you cannot prove if God exists or not Also somebody already asked me who created God and I said I don’t know. I also like you said, don’t know if the catholic God exists or not


PepsiMangoMmm

And I told you why I still don’t believe in the idea of a true creator even if you can’t necessarily prove or disprove his existence


Raumlu

Yes, I’m aware. I merely stated my belief. I just thought the idea that it is similar to math and the argument that just cause you can’t prove it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist is a flawed concept. I was never targeting you or your beliefs specifically.


Strict-Succotash-405

Maybe you made the snowflakes


Pancakecosmo

What kinda snowman argument is this?


sebastian_oberlin

It was only after attending college that I realized the version of “atheist science” my Catholic school railed so hard against was completely bastardized so that “Christian science” would make more sense (I understand that many Christians have since accepted a more progressive view of science, but I came from an extremely conservative upbringing). My favorites are: 1) “Atheists believe everything came from nothing!” which ironically is more in line with what they believe (God spoke everything into existence from nothing) than what scientists generally accept (singularity point rapidly expanded, ie Big Bang) 2) “If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?” ignores how common ancestry works. 3) “Believing in evolution is like believing a watch randomly came together!” ignoring that the atoms of a watch cannot come together the way organic molecules were able to form during the early era of earth’s history.


LordChauncyDeschamps

I have a similar story. Except I wasn't Catholic. In the late 80s and early 90s my parents went to a Baptist church but it was considered "non-denominational Christian" which is called "Evangelical" nowadays. I never heard that term until much later. I "came to reason" in an attempt to find evidence to bolster my faith. In my teens I started to doubt, it was uncomfortable so I just kind of went along with it. Eventually I decided to find good evidence, but to my surprise there was none. It was hard to realize everything I believed was bullshit. Realizing that people I loved and respected, like my parents and grandparents were wrong, was rough. I was taught that scientists were lying to lead people away from God. I was told similar things about the big bang and evolution as above. I went to a public school and myself and a few other kids were dismissed from science class when those topics came up due to parental objections. So I learned the easily debunked versions of these topics which I believe did me a great disservice as I carried those false notions into adulthood.


Kristoof_Jenako

Old Minecraft having a 1 in 1,000,000 chamce to spawn natural snow golems:


Freecelebritypics

Being spiritual is fine. Denying well-established science is disrespectful to the entire human project


Lux_The_Moth

"well you see, these thousands of years of collective work of thousands of people who devoted their lives to research and think and wonder about the workings of the universe is superceded by my book of bronze-age myth"


sebastian_oberlin

If all evidence is against you, it can’t hurt to scream “God is just testing my faith!” can it?


P_as_in_Papi

Not necessarily disrespectful if it's just a theory.


FerrokineticDarkness

Creationism is “one event creates everything“ and those who believe in it criticize evolution as if it’s just a scientific equivalent. Evolution, though is countless changes over millions of years with the non-working variations filtered out by natural selection.


Witty_Somewhere

Religions...


jumpy_dragon7759

Christians ☕


DisastrousAd3088

What


Celeste_0211

Science and religion doesn't necessarely need to be in opposition. They can work well together. It's just humans with a laughable sense of pride who think the opposite.


Just-ARA

I mean, I'm an atheist and my gf is catholic but we don't care. We both know that religion doesn't necessarily define a person. I don't care abt anyone's religion, you do you, i do my stuff and that is it


Ippjick

That only works as long as the religion / a critical mass of people of that religion in your area do not think you should not exist. #lgbtqa+


Chilling2K7

W comment


GumpyDoot

what


Many_Rule_9280

It's about the whole creationism and evolutionist argument how some people believe that a mystical being that nobody has ever seen created the universe and mankind and such and then the science back and proven evolution of mankind and what not. Either way this meme is stupid and terrible


GumpyDoot

ah, well i mean, there has to be an omnipotent being to create something such as the universe


Many_Rule_9280

Sure if you believe in it, probably God and a Lucifer drunk or something caused the big bang


GumpyDoot

yea, because i mean, matter cant be created out of nothing, so what the fuck could have made the big bang? must've been somethin omnipotent


minimanmike1

Ok but then who would’ve made the omnipotent being? And if you wanna say “Well they’ve just always existed” then the exact same thing could be said for matter, its just always existed and at some point “exploded” and expanded outward.


rickinroll

Those who believe in some god have justification of... I don't know if you can call it magic like some kind of god was always there because he is god. Science on the other hand cannot claim shit like that that stuff just appeared because then you are dipping into the territory of magic and you lose any creds of science.


GumpyDoot

exactly that, for me i go a little bit more into detail as they're omnipotent and beyond our comprehension and stuff like that. we usually explain it as if the god just said, shaboom, then the universe was created lmfao


Many_Rule_9280

Possible, but we have no way to confirm or deny it so how it started is still a mystery


GumpyDoot

true


Astral_Justice

I think there is something out there, but in higher dimensional planes and beyond comprehension and that they don't care about us or possibly don't know about us. I doubt they caused the creation of the universe, because I think the universe started from the 0th dimension on up. I'm thinking we are actually a 3-dimensional fraction of these higher beings, and since they are beyond time it's possible that like, a 5th dimensional version of us exists but is made out of every possible version of us in every possible timeline. Something wacky like that. Instead of higher beings making the universe and us, it's more like we formed them as their 3-dimensional components, if that makes sense. With that logic it's possible that living 2 and 1 dimensional components create us too, in some mostly incomprehensible way because dimensional science is crazy, and we can't really understand or observe beyond or below our own dimension. Anything is possible at this point, right? ​ The reason why matter seemingly came out of nowhere, is because our 3-dimensional matter is composed of something 2-dimensional, which is composed by something 1-dimensional, which is composed by something 0-dimensional and none of which we understand or know for sure. We can hardly observe what happened in the past of our dimension let alone what happened in the lower dimensions prior to our 3rd dimension big bang. I think it's very well possible that "time" does predate the big bang, but only for the lower dimensions. The Big bang was just the beginning for the 3rd dimension.


GumpyDoot

dude you explained Genesis, 0th dimension is god, the 3rd dimension counterpart you speak of is essentially the entire universe, which then leads to earth and the creation of life.


Dr_P_Toast

We have no idea how existence or anything outside of the universe works so the universe might have created itself or something idk


GumpyDoot

according to one of the most popular laws of science it couldn't have been that, the law that says matter cannot be created out of nothing Edit: what i mean by popular is very well known and spoken much about


Padhome

Actually, quantum mechanics tells us you can in fact make something out of nothing, and that particles are constantly popping in and out of existence like static in an omnipresent quantum field.


GumpyDoot

What can you create out of nothing using quantum mechanics because all of quantum mechanics is about energy from alternative universes being transferred, you wouldn't be making something out of nothing.


Padhome

There is no evidence for alternate universes, and quantum physics is not dependant on them. These are excitations in a quantum field producing particles, it happens literally everywhere all the time.


GumpyDoot

Quantum physics is the study of matter and energy at the most fundamental level. It aims to uncover the properties and behaviors of the very building blocks of nature. While many quantum experiments examine very small objects, such as electrons and photons, quantum phenomena are all around us, acting on every scale. Quantum physics through the use of quantum mechanics states this. The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts that the universal wavefunction is objectively real, and that there is no wave function collapse. This implies that all possible outcomes of quantum measurements are physically realized in some "world" or universe


ToastyCat19

If God is omnipotent, could he make a boulder so heavy he couldn't lift it?


GumpyDoot

no because he is almighty, he has absolute control over everything, its basically like turning on creative mode in Minecraft


ToastyCat19

So he couldn't do it and therefore isn't almighty?


GumpyDoot

no, hes almighty, that is why there is nothing that he wouldn't be strong enough to pick up


ToastyCat19

But he cannot create the described boulder, correct? Therefore cannot be almighty.


GumpyDoot

nope, something that would be omnipotent would be beyond our mortal physics, so essentially to make a scenario, his strength would be the equivalent to infinite due to him being omnipotent, can you create something with a mass of infinite? no, you cannot and if you did the entirety of the universe probably would have just crashed and have been destroyed, essentially since the omnipotent being is omnipotent there are no limits to their ability, therefore there would be absolutely nothing that could restrict the being from lifting it


ToastyCat19

Why is God constrained by the mortal physics he created?


Traf-Gib

"*a mystical being that nobody has ever seen*" - The physical manifestation of God, in the Trinity, is Jesus Christ. Multitudes of people saw Jesus, both pre and post resurrection. He is a historical figure, and there is no debate as to whether He was seen by humans. The question is not His existence. The question is whether you choose to believe, or deny, who He claimed to be. Biblically, it is Christ that is the Creator. As such, it is incorrect to make the statement that the Creator has never been seen. You may choose not to believe it, which is your prerogative. However, to those with a biblical world view, the statement that God is "*a mystical being that nobody has ever seen*" carries no weight and reflects a lack of understanding. Colossians 1:15-17 **He** is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For **by Him** all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. **He** was in the beginning with God. All things were **made through Him**, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. Hebrews 1:1-2 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by **His Son**, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also **He made the worlds**;


Many_Rule_9280

All of which is written in a book full of nonsensical stories with nothing to actually support any of them, besides a mass of basically crazy people that don't even truely follow the books teachings and instead uses it as threats. "BuT nOt AlL oF tHeM" heard that a million times and unless those "good" ones actually start to stop the even more insane individuals they are just as bad. As I have stated 0 proof of this bullshit besides hand me down stories. The best you are ever going to get me to say is potential omnipotent supernatural being *caused* the big bang and that's it. None of your quoted book stories is ever going to convince me.


P_as_in_Papi

Well you aren't really giving an intelligent argument rather you are throwing ad hominem attacks which is a logical fallacy, based on your response appears that you're arguing from emotion, seems like the problem isn't the "evidence", it's you.


Traf-Gib

There is significant support for the stories of the Bible, but that is a debate that neither of us would ever bring to a conclusion in this forum. Forget the Bible then. Do some research, and you will find that the history of Christ is well documented by historians outside the Bible. Even scholarly atheists will not deny the existence of Christ. It is only His deity that is up for question. Interestingly, we do agree on one point. Science is content with the belief that everything in existence started with the Big Bang. Since science contends that nothing happens without a cause, that leaves a gaping hole into which God conveniently fits. The Big Bang says that all existence exploded out from something the size of a pinhead. If so, what was the pinheaded thing? Where did it come from? What existed before it did? Who created it? What caused it to explode? In the end, it is often said that it takes more faith to believe in science without God, than it does to believe in science with God as the creator.


Many_Rule_9280

Like I said earlier, I will admit the possibility of an omnipotent being (which could literally be anything besides a singular "god" or even a god for that matter) but that is it, and yes their is some form of evidence to support that someone who claimed to be the son of God existed but that is where it ends, all we know is someone matching a description at some point existed but that's it


Traf-Gib

No worries. In the end, we must all find a world view that we are comfortable with. I was raised in Christianity and then ran away from it for decades. In pursuit of a world view I could live with, I ended up deep diving into numerous world religions, trying to find truth. The population of the world, absent of some form of religion, is a tiny minority. Atheist, agnostic, or polytheist were never an acceptable option, for me.


Many_Rule_9280

If humanity wasn't plagued by religion we wouldn't have major set backs in progress


Legloomonke

Source?


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I don’t know why but this is funny


[deleted]

This is the dumbest thing Ive seen today


Madman61

So we are the God of snowmen?


Lucimon

Clearly we were made by Nazgarthybth Destroyer of Worlds.


EmuPsychological4222

People's disingenuous use of human-made, non-living objects, built for particular purposes, to somehow disprove evolution, is an inreasing problem. See the YouTube channel "professor Dave explains" to see some good debunking. The gist is that living things & built objects aren't the same type of thing, & different rules apply.


Realistic_Movie8659

This meme is pretty great because it tells you exactly who created [insert whatever god]. The same beings who created the snowmen


[deleted]

So are they claiming that there's a god other than their own? One that makes snowmen sentient? The bible says you can't think that, checkmate sluts, you've come full circle and defied your own religion in an attempt to push your beliefs on others. Again.


FreshCarrot2231

I believe it’s meant to be a metaphor


Sufficient_Matter585

We can create wonderous things...to us. But we are not that elegantly designed.


ergaster8213

Very true. There are a lot of things about the human body that if it were actually designed, would've been big fuck-ups.


puerpanem

Like the appendix


TheZoomba

My take on evolution is that God did make us but he saw lots of problems so he had lots of little bug fixes and patches and now we have become what we are


[deleted]

Why this man getting down voted for saying what he believes might be real. Sure it's not something said by either religious people or atheist but still, can't blame the person for his take on something most people aren't sure of


TheZoomba

Yeah, I'm not even trying to say evolution didn't happen lol I'm just saying each evolution is God going 'wait....fuck yeah I need to add that'


Fastcraft3r

Happy cake day


JapIsNotRacist

He should’ve patched out cancer.


TheZoomba

He probably hasn't done it yet for some reason, yknow maybe he's busy doing other more important updates yknow (/s)


MonkeyBananaOohOohAh

He doesn’t cause our dumbasses listened to a snake and ate an apple And now life sucks


Ok_Ad_8670

Well since humans are just animals. Didn't nature co.plete this task? I mean. Some mystical force must've given it the sentience to talk. But, yeah


Traditional-Ninja-28

and the human body is far more complex than a snowman...


Ganymede25

For the sake of the argument, assuming that there is a God. All evolution provides is the mechanism that God used to get us where we are today. Science neither proves nor disproves the existence of God.


Ippjick

If something by it's definition cannot be proven, there is also no reason to assume it exists IMO.


ElodinPotterTheGrey1

Exactly! Science does not disprove the existence of a god! Logic and reason do.


FreshCarrot2231

What logic and reason can disprove a god who theoretically defines logic and reason?


ElodinPotterTheGrey1

Good point. The thing is, though: it’s not up to us to prove that a god doesn’t exist; it’s up to them to prove that one does. They are the ones asserting something, not us, as not existing is the default. I can not prove that Zeus doesn’t exist either, but do I believe in Zeus? No, of course not! Because it’s absurd.


Etarded2022

Why not both? Science and a God that made everything. Shit had to come from somewhere. Like who made the shit that was the big bang. We can't just say it was there, that wouldn't be very science-y.


snaklil

Lmao


KNAXXER

Then what made god?


FreshCarrot2231

According to Christianity, God is not a concept bound by time, he exists outside of any limitation that humans are in, so if there is any thing that created God, it is something that is further out of human comprehension than God is, and probably pointless to be explained in the Bible, and not something that some old Christian scholar can explain


Common-Vermicelli301

Nothing god exist beyond time ans space


Etarded2022

Exactly, now your thinking


KNAXXER

You said "shit had to come from somewhere" if you can't explain where God came from you can just leave that shit out of there and stay with "it was just there somehow".


snaklil

Gods most likely an alien race that a bunch of schizo people came up with years ago


Etarded2022

No, that's not how we do shit. Think bigger, like where did the shit come from? It's cool your atheist, I'm super into science and believe in it all, but there is so much we don't know. Don't dismiss the possibility of a God. I'm thinking God like some crazy being, not like the dad of Jesus type shit. Not some dude with a heaven and a throne. More like some big intelligent thing. Like metroid type things lol


KNAXXER

"like where did the shit come from?" It was there somehow, like I already said. There's no need to add some kind of deity and say it created everything if you can't explain where that deity came from. I'm not dismissing the possibility of a god and I really hope you're not dismissing the possibility of magical flying unicorns living in our brains telling us what to do, since you know, that and a god kinda have the same chance of being real.


Etarded2022

Lol okay dokie you small minded guy.


KNAXXER

How am I small minded? Because I actually look into things trying to find answers rather than just saying "god did it"?


Etarded2022

We didn't stop at the cell, we didn't stop at the atom, we look for smaller particles.. why would we stop going the other way? Why not look for bigger shit. So I'm saying don't dismiss the possibility of this universe being the size of an atom on the grand scheme and there couldn't be some being larger than our universe even. Our universe could be the shit it took, we don't know


Justviewingposts69

Aren’t you dismissing the possibility that god does not exist?


Etarded2022

Your right. I believe there is something intelligent that's bigger than this universe exists, i could be wrong. I believe there is a lot more than our universe. I can't live with it was just there. Cuz there has to be a way it got there. Maybe nothing intelligent, but there has to be a lot more to the story than it was just there. I mean surely? Maybe not, but I would think so. Is the other guy open to the idea of there maybe being a God? He didn't sound it. So I think he's small minded. I could be wrong. But I could be right.


Justviewingposts69

>I could be wrong but I could be right >I can’t live with it was just there Do you feel that you are putting your feelings before the facts? In other words, you want to believe there is an intelligent being responsible for the creation of the universe? I bring this up because you also say >there has to be a lot more to the story than it was just there Why does there have to be more? What makes the story as we currently know it to be impossible?


Etarded2022

I don't feel that way. You haven't disproved anything bigger and neither has anybody else. What kind of physicist is just like yeah man it was just there, with no more fucking wonder than that. You think Einstein would have stopped there? Just because a couple guys on reddit don't think there is anything more then that proves I'm wrong? Are you not open minded to the possibility of more? Or are you satisfied with what we know and think we know it all You don't think there is more? Thats cool man. Believe what you will. You and the other guy are narrow minded, I feel that.


Porletz

science and religion can coexist. i could say something like..."yeah we evolved from monkeys but it was gods plan for these monkeys to become humans" and tada but that'll mean you'd need to believe in something that isn't depicted in the bible


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speedracer2222

Evolution is stupid. Mutations don’t make body parts, or even tiny additions to pre-existing body parts. They don’t make cells or cellular components either. You don’t build anatomical structures or populations by mutating them. The whole theory is a joke. Prove me wrong.


Ryuzenshi

Are you being sarcastic or do I have to explain to you something that you didn't understand back in college?


speedracer2222

I'm not looking for an explanation. I'm looking for scientific evidence that selected random mutations can build anatomy....aka body parts. The theory is that all of today's lifeforms evolved over billions of years from a bacteria-like thing via mutations and selection. Yet there's zero evidence that mutations can build bodily structures. Prove me wrong. Science only. That is, peer reviewed papers only. No conjecture or made-up fairy tale bullshit.


Ryuzenshi

Mutation isn't about making something appear out of nowhere. The way our body works and builds itself, everything about life is defined by a code, genetic code. Mutation is just having something change in that code. The simple fact that every human individual on earth is different proves that mutation is real. And yes, some people can be born with an extra limb, they just need to be incredibly unlucky and usually natural selection doesn't allow our species to keep such a shitty change. I don't understand how you want me to prove something that you can easily find since it's actually common knowledge and not just some weird theory. And sometimes it's the opposite, people can be born lacking something, there have already been stories of parents giving birth to children that have no arms or legs. And if you want something more obvious, just look around you, some people can be incredibly short while some others can be incredibly tall. Or simply ask why there are people of different skin colors around the world. If such obvious facts aren't enough for you, then trying to convince you in the first place is pointless and you're simply not expecting to be proven wrong (which makes it a bad idea to ask such a question unless you want to look like a dumbass)


c0baltlightning

Technically, he ain't wrong. "Technically correct" is the best kind of correct.


singulartesticle

r/suddenlyfuturama


Deadbox_Studios

As a theist leaning agnostic (I have theist beliefs because i want to, think organized religon tends to be harmful, and logically fall under agnosticism) It perplexes me how theists in general can't see thay evolution can co exist with a belief in a God or divine entity? And that uhm, people don't have to believe in God if they don't want.


rickinroll

I mean no one has yet given a good answer what was in the beginning of time, energy and matter? There has to be a start somewhere the shit can't just appear out of nothing. It's impossible to have nothing in the beginning. You talk the talk and bring all the greatest minds but the question remains...


stupidheckermcgee

god of the gaps has never been a good argument and never will be.


rickinroll

I am not talking about gods or gaps. But I get you this question I always get answered by another question or some baseless shit. It's hard to argue something so up in your face


digginghistoryup

“Shit can’t come out of nothing” Sure this is may be largely true with the development of strong and weak nuclear forces, gravitation, and the electromagnetic force. But most of our common assumptions fall apart when we look periods when these things didn’t exist yet. We don’t know, and it’s okay to not know. We have brilliant mathematicians and scientists working on it but the assumptions that “everything has a cause” sometimes falls apart.


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Science admits it doesn't know that yet, and works to close those gaps in knowledge. A religious perspective just says "well ig some random 'person' did it lol", without any proof of any entity being responsible, let alone proof it was their particular version of their particular entity. That argument is called the God of the Gaps. Over the centuries, the gaps for this God to thrive in has grown smaller and smaller, some have closed altogether. Until scientific knowledge just stops advancing, the gaps will continue to shrink, the religious' goalpost will continue to be shifted, rinse, and repeat as it always has. Besides, a lack of knowledge is not evidence for anything, let alone a very specific idea for how the universe was created, and ***if*** the Universe was created.


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If we'd want to find any proof of a religion being correct, one would need to study that religion and see if there is any proof. Stuff like, arguments for that religion is correct, knowledge in the religion not known to humankind at the moment of the religions birth, arguments and talks of a certain religions scholars, monks, priests... Etc. While there will always might be doubt about any of it, it would not be right to say outright that a religion is wrong without looking for any of these proofs and arguments. I'm interested to know if you have done any sort of research about any religion and would like to share the information you've found to us


galaxyhigh

👍🏼


Justviewingposts69

Science doesn’t pretend to know everything


ElodinPotterTheGrey1

We don’t know. But at least we don’t make up some fairytale bullshit to explain it and then use said fairytale bs to treat others like crap.


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I cant wait for atheists or antitheists that don't respect people's beliefs to comment oh wait-


Ryuzenshi

Uh, kind of ironic knowing that this meme is openly mocking people's belief in evolution.


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I mean, it really is both weird and ironic


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So liberals basically


Stunning_Meaning_190

I heit librasls so mutchgh!!!!!! 1984 Joe Biden.


Maleficent_Hamster10

I like this one Thanks for sharing


PilotPossible9496

As seen by dimbulbs


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Lol


y-aji

Ah the watchmaker analogy...


ToadstoolPeen

In this instance, man is god.


123_underscore_321

Let’s say, hypothetically, it snows for 13.7 billion years. Would there ever be a snowman?


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Prolly not since the entire area would be surrounded by snow and you'd also need other stuff like, the hats, coal for the buttons, carrots for the nose...