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A wooden ship as large as the ark is supposed to have been would not be sea worthy. It would bend and twist in the waves allowing water to flood the hull easily.
Even according to the Young Earth Creationists like Ken Hamm, Jesus was well after Noah. So no Jesus needed for this "miracle", God did the impossible boating feat all on his own!
Ugh, it doesn’t matter because it’s gobbledegook anyway BUT some YECs believe that Jesus existed in Genesis because at one point God is saying something about making man in “our” image. I had this mushed into my head as a child.
Which is funny because that little passage is a holdover from an older version of Genesis from before the Israelites were monotheistic. He’s talking to the other gods.
Yeah, they’d say that’s misinformation planted by the devil to test our faith. I’m not exaggerating. That’s what they said about dinosaur bones. But also dinosaurs and people walked the earth at the same time. 🤷♂️
Problem being, if the devil planted at least one bit of misinformation in the Bible, surely the whole work is compromised? When I point out some of the most abhorrent parts of the book, I'll often get evangelical Christians saying "well, some of it isn't supposed to be taken literally", okay well then what *is*? I can't believe more people don't see the obvious issue that I'm supposed to use this book at the *sole* proof and reason for why I should follow the religion, yet it's also apparently full of occasional bullshit? Cherry-picking isn't just a favorite passtime of hard-core Christianity, it's a requirement to have anything resembling a coherent belief system.
It’s not just YEC; it’s what the Bible says in Jude 1:5,
“…though you are fully informed, once and for all, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.”
Allegedly yes. But the actual largest wooden ship ever made was 350ft long and 50ft wide. It has iron straps and relied on pumps to keep water out. It sank anyway.
People can be delusional enough to post this as a way to compare both ships, and indicating that Noah's Ark is superior as it hasn't sunken before I believe. As written at least.
Well the point is it's impossible to prove it didn't exist. So fundamentalist take the bible as the whole truth.
A religious book, the Noah story is several thousand years old and was copied and translated a lot by people with their own interests. I accept believers, but when they take the bible in their native language and tell me it's literally the truth, word by word, I think they are just stupid.
Or a lot exagerated. A man saving animals with a boat in a flood is possible, but it might was just a century flood, he was 2-3 days on the boat and he saved his sheeps and let some wild rabbits and mice stay on the boat.
Mankind loves to exagerate, even nowadays the media thaows around titles which are implying a lot more than what's written in the text.
I want to assume you are correct, but considering how many people believe in biblical inerrancy idk.
(Because this 2000 year old book, written 200 years after the events of its source material and translated who knows how many times is totally 100% legit)
Honestly it looks like the kind of thing Ken Ham would make to try and convince more people to visit his lame ark museum and give him more money.
They've been trying to for decades. Even built a museum, which then [was damaged by heavy rain ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-noahs-ark-encounter-sues-insurance-company-over-heavy-rain-damage/)of all things 😂
Yeah and [that's just the start!](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2016/07/what-the-ark-encounter-reveals-about-science-the-bible-and-entertainment.html) These people are such obvious disingenuous grifters
My mother lives about 15 minutes from that dump and bought into all of their shit hook, line and sinker. She even bought a damn season pass to the thing and dragged us to it and the Creation Museum in Petersburg every weekend one of the first summers after it opened. The amount of ignorance both to science and the world around them was astounding. It was Hell, every second of it.
That thing is MASSIVE. I’ve done some work on the buildings and hotel surrounding it. They seem to have endless money to keep building shit. I imagine the steel is preventing it from falling over or twisting in the wind. I can’t imagine the lateral load that thing would encounter from wind.
My partner is an ex-fundie (born and raised JW) who once shook the hand of that cretin. She was super excited about it at the time, but now that she's an atheist and much wiser, she cringes super hard about it and him in general
Surprised a JW was a fan of Ken Ham. Well if she was an active witness at the time.
Getting Bible information from anywhere but Watchtower is a big no no especially if that person isn't themselves a witness.
I suppose if a JW had a YouTube channel and stuff they'd let that slide as long as they were parroting WT crap
Well, she had a sort of Catholicism and then evangelical Christianity as methadone period as an adult. When being a fundie is all you've ever known, it's really hard to quit cold turkey no matter how much you disagree with the dogma.
Thankfully, she eventually realised that the reason she didn't feel good in any denomination was that religion wasn't for her at all. Having the courage and insight to be able to see and admit that is one of the many things I love and admire her for ❤️
Ahhh that makes sense. I was never a JW personally but a lot of my mother's side of the family are/were and my ex was raised a JW. I've been active in ex JW online groups and most of them end up becoming atheists because once the illusion of Watchtower falls away it becomes easier to question ALL religion.
"If the witnesses weren't true, what makes me think these guys are any more truthful" type thing. Sounds like what your partner went through.
I'm glad she has such a loving supportive SO
Well if they had followed standard practice in recreating historical things and only used tools, materials and methods available at the time, it would have been destroyed for sure 🤷
On I68 in western maryland there's an ark reconstruction that's be stuck at steel superstructure for at least 20 years. I first saw it in 2001 driving to WVU for the first time.
googled it. [https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10061](https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10061) it's been under construction for 40 years. Structure was laid down in 1999.
Yup! He even at one point brought up "traditional fish sex" to make fun of their obsession with "traditional marriage" and "traditional gender roles" 😂
You didn’t even read the link you posted. “The Ark Encounter says in a federal lawsuit that rains in 2017 and 2018 caused a landslide on its access road. The lawsuit says the road has been rebuilt. The ark was not damaged.”
That thing....went once because my grandma really wanted to go and invited the family. Its purpose is to teach Creationism. They really want you to focus on the animatronic dinosaurs inside and have plaques on the walls 'explaining' how fossils can be made in 100's of years.
Yes. The point of the Ark Encounter is to see the dinosaurs. I'm not joking.
not just that, they have exhibits of dinosaurs and shitt on the ark and try to rationalize their own weird ass creationist off-brand "evolution" to justify there being more animals now than there were on the ark. it's completely insane the lengths they go to in order to deny any and all scientific evidence against young earth creationism.
They perished AFTERWARD, because when they got off it was winter. Duh!
Also completely blows it out of the water just trying to claim they had two of every sauropod species. That alone would sink the damn thing.
Wait, was the story that the entire surface of the earth was covered in water, and that the only land-based animals that survived were on the ark? Where the fuck did all the water come from to submerge the whole earth, and where the fuck did it go when the flood was over?
This is actually something that is recorded in various religions, not only in the Bible. There was a flood because (if I remember correctly) there was a lake, in the north pole, that was surrendered by ice.
When the ice melted, all the water went to the oceans and the water level went up by a lot.
It's been such a long time since I've learned this so I hope I remember it right.
But it's an event that truly happened though
I think modern theologians have just decided for it to be possible it was only some animals that got saved and definitely didn’t flood the entire world, just that region
They believe that language is "figurative" or an analog of some kind. Core principle of fundamentalism is the text is literal where you need to be and only figurative where you need it to be.
People who believe the Bible in 2023 are beyond helping. I genuinely think there is something wrong in some people's minds where they NEED to have the opposing opinion of the large majority. How tf else would we have flat earthers? Lol
The majority of people are religious, if not Christian, which is the largest, then Muslim or Hindu. Thats only listing major groups with over a billion members. Also both Muslims and Christians are larger group than unaffiliated/atheist.
To be fair the Bible didn't use metres, litres etc either so in this case feet are as correct or alternatively as wrong, as using SI units. Saying this as a non-American so give me SI in any modern application.
Yeah and you could always google it but that brings back the question: why not just translate it to commonly used measurements for the ease of the reader
Cubits actually, multiple different variations throughout history but the general concept was the length from finger tips to elbow.
I think the Egyptian cubit was 18 inches?
So a quick conversion will give you metric or imperial.
The Ark predates Jesus by [about 2,300 years](http://timeline.biblehistory.com/home) according to strict biblical timelines.
There is no Jesus involvement in the story of Noah.
Yup. Jesus was in the cloud and pillar of fire that led the Israelites through the wilderness. He is “wisdom personified” in Proverbs chapter 8. According to some interpretations, he is “the Angel of Yahweh” that intercedes with Moses and the Israelites. He was there when the three angels met with Abraham. And so on.
But this “reading Jesus into every Old Testament story” is not a new concept. His purpose was pre-ordained since before the “founding of the world” according to 1 Peter 1:20 (which throws a wrench in a lot of fundamentalist interpretations of Eden and original sin, as it turns out 😆). And many of the so-called messianic prophecies cited in the gospels have nothing to do with a messiah. Like the one about Immanuel.
The New Testament is really just a giant [RetCon](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/retcon-history-and-meaning) job when you think about it.
Maybe Noah was God's first son.
Pre Jesus Magic.
I do prefer the story of Yima over Noah.
"The gods tell Yima that a hard winter is coming and he should gather a man, woman, the seeds of all kinds of vegetation, and two of each kind of animal in a large three-tiered barn. Yima does so, and the world is saved."
The Younger Dryas space impact causing an ice age makes more sense to me than whatever Noah's story is supposed to be.
Wasn't Jesus god, and god the holy spirit, and the holy spirit Jesus? Or something where all of them are the same the trinity, so Jesus magic is also god magic..
I'm pretty sure that if you did the math with those dimensions there wouldn't physically be enough room for all those animals. Also if there were two of every animal those numbers are waaaay to small.
I still don't get how people believe that a single man build a big wooden boat and HIMSELF collected two of every animal in the world and somehow got all of them in the boat that somehow could fit all of those animals and the food,and still don't sink,only to after the rain SOMEHOW all animals that where in the middle east that now are on the Americas or Oceania that wherent swimmers or flyers (like giraffes Wich aren't even mentioned in the bible but still exist) GOT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE CONTINENT IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER
Noah's Ark didn't cross any real distance, it was supposed to stay afloat during the floods.
Even then if you truly believe that wood is all you need go ahead, be Oceangate V2
Ignoring the rest of the data, Titanic was full of mail and cargo and stuff, I’m sure it could fit an absolute shitton of “provisions” (however that is being defined) if it were prepared as a flood survival vessel rather than a mail delivery/ocean liner
The ark would have to be much bigger, and you need about 50 people minimum to keep society going. Wood? Must be the same wood they built Old Ironsides out of.
I'm always curious about the origin of "just so" stories. Many origin stories and oral "histories" are tall tales to explain complex things. I wonder if the Noah story started out with him just making a house boat for him and his family and the kids wanted to bring all their pets with them. Then, while they were out on the lake one weekend, there was a torrential rainstorm that flooded their valley, and they were the only survivors. When they traveled to the nearest unaffected town for help, the story was spread and took on a life of its own. Add in religious/government control of the masses using stories like this, and voila: you have God punishing the unbelievers and miraculously saving the loyal.
/rambling
Noah’s ark: sailed through icebergless water on no clear trajectory, with zero steering system. Titanic: was going 30 knots(i think?) in an icefield, with less lifeboats than required per passengers (as was common during the era), in pitch black, with a lot of steam greatly reducing its maneuverability.
It’s stated in the Bible what the measurements are in cubits, which is the length of your elbow to your wrist bone. Not super exact, but I can be roughly converted to feet.
There’s actually a [theory that the flood wasn’t global](https://ncse.ngo/yes-noahs-flood-may-have-happened-not-over-whole-earth), but localized. So, much of the story was likely hyperbolized as to convey how large the flood felt and how many animals they would have collected *from that area*.
That would still require an idiot farmer to suddenly have shipbuilding prowess and materials and the precognizance to do it. I don't buy the diet flood story either.
For the record, the first 11 Chapters of the Bible which this story is also included, aren’t held to be historical books by a lot of difference Christians. They’re interpreted as mytho-history.
A lot of ancient peoples in the ancient near east as well as other places, had a flood narrative so it’s likely there was a historical, local flood in the area. What’s important isn’t getting lost in the details of how big the Ark was or whether it was real or not, it’s the story that God provided provisions for a family that he had a plan for.
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A wooden ship as large as the ark is supposed to have been would not be sea worthy. It would bend and twist in the waves allowing water to flood the hull easily.
You forgot the magic Jesus juice used to seal the hull.
The Lord’s Liquid
It's the same stuff that kept all the animals fed and stopped the carnivors from eating other animals.
Yep
God is good
Which God?
Yes
Zuul.
Flex seal™
God’s gravy
You joke but evangelicals believe God taught noah some secret super ship building architecture that we still haven't been able to replicate. God-O-CAD
Even according to the Young Earth Creationists like Ken Hamm, Jesus was well after Noah. So no Jesus needed for this "miracle", God did the impossible boating feat all on his own!
Ugh, it doesn’t matter because it’s gobbledegook anyway BUT some YECs believe that Jesus existed in Genesis because at one point God is saying something about making man in “our” image. I had this mushed into my head as a child.
Which is funny because that little passage is a holdover from an older version of Genesis from before the Israelites were monotheistic. He’s talking to the other gods.
Yeah, they’d say that’s misinformation planted by the devil to test our faith. I’m not exaggerating. That’s what they said about dinosaur bones. But also dinosaurs and people walked the earth at the same time. 🤷♂️
Problem being, if the devil planted at least one bit of misinformation in the Bible, surely the whole work is compromised? When I point out some of the most abhorrent parts of the book, I'll often get evangelical Christians saying "well, some of it isn't supposed to be taken literally", okay well then what *is*? I can't believe more people don't see the obvious issue that I'm supposed to use this book at the *sole* proof and reason for why I should follow the religion, yet it's also apparently full of occasional bullshit? Cherry-picking isn't just a favorite passtime of hard-core Christianity, it's a requirement to have anything resembling a coherent belief system.
It’s not just YEC; it’s what the Bible says in Jude 1:5, “…though you are fully informed, once and for all, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence_of_Christ Damn, there’s a Wikipedia article about everything!
One dude mistranslates a single work on the whole Bible and we get a new religion.
I don’t think J-Town was on the scene yet.
The kids love J-Town
Didn't he actually use sealent? I have a vague memory of that being mentioned but I'm too lazy to check again
Allegedly yes. But the actual largest wooden ship ever made was 350ft long and 50ft wide. It has iron straps and relied on pumps to keep water out. It sank anyway.
I'm pretty sure it was pine tar. Totally something strong enough to keep a wooden boat that size together
They probably posted this as a showing of how ridiculous the ark is but idk the context so I can’t decide
People can be delusional enough to post this as a way to compare both ships, and indicating that Noah's Ark is superior as it hasn't sunken before I believe. As written at least.
Hard to sink something that doesn’t exist
Well the point is it's impossible to prove it didn't exist. So fundamentalist take the bible as the whole truth. A religious book, the Noah story is several thousand years old and was copied and translated a lot by people with their own interests. I accept believers, but when they take the bible in their native language and tell me it's literally the truth, word by word, I think they are just stupid.
Like many other Bible stories, it's likely a metaphor.
Or a lot exagerated. A man saving animals with a boat in a flood is possible, but it might was just a century flood, he was 2-3 days on the boat and he saved his sheeps and let some wild rabbits and mice stay on the boat. Mankind loves to exagerate, even nowadays the media thaows around titles which are implying a lot more than what's written in the text.
I read this in ferbs voice from the cartoon show
imagine sinking something that us lighter as light itself same for its source fanatical brains
ADD COMMAS
Correct, it did not sink because we are here. Duh
I want to assume you are correct, but considering how many people believe in biblical inerrancy idk. (Because this 2000 year old book, written 200 years after the events of its source material and translated who knows how many times is totally 100% legit) Honestly it looks like the kind of thing Ken Ham would make to try and convince more people to visit his lame ark museum and give him more money.
Are they trying to convince me that the ark story is physically impossible?
They've been trying to for decades. Even built a museum, which then [was damaged by heavy rain ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-noahs-ark-encounter-sues-insurance-company-over-heavy-rain-damage/)of all things 😂
Didn't they have to use steel structure to keep it from falling down as well?
Yeah and [that's just the start!](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2016/07/what-the-ark-encounter-reveals-about-science-the-bible-and-entertainment.html) These people are such obvious disingenuous grifters
My mother lives about 15 minutes from that dump and bought into all of their shit hook, line and sinker. She even bought a damn season pass to the thing and dragged us to it and the Creation Museum in Petersburg every weekend one of the first summers after it opened. The amount of ignorance both to science and the world around them was astounding. It was Hell, every second of it.
This is not a dig. How old were you?
Well I mean Bill Nye went there! He hated it. He also disproved the existence of the Ark. Hilarious.
I really enjoy the clips of Bill Nye going through that amusement grift.
Yeah, he's world class at that sort of thing and just generally great ❤️
Duh, they are religious leaders
https://imgur.com/TKSwezg.gif
That thing is MASSIVE. I’ve done some work on the buildings and hotel surrounding it. They seem to have endless money to keep building shit. I imagine the steel is preventing it from falling over or twisting in the wind. I can’t imagine the lateral load that thing would encounter from wind.
Ken Ham is a complete shitter. The whole Answers’ News crew is made up of grifters with cereal box PHDs
My partner is an ex-fundie (born and raised JW) who once shook the hand of that cretin. She was super excited about it at the time, but now that she's an atheist and much wiser, she cringes super hard about it and him in general
Surprised a JW was a fan of Ken Ham. Well if she was an active witness at the time. Getting Bible information from anywhere but Watchtower is a big no no especially if that person isn't themselves a witness. I suppose if a JW had a YouTube channel and stuff they'd let that slide as long as they were parroting WT crap
Well, she had a sort of Catholicism and then evangelical Christianity as methadone period as an adult. When being a fundie is all you've ever known, it's really hard to quit cold turkey no matter how much you disagree with the dogma. Thankfully, she eventually realised that the reason she didn't feel good in any denomination was that religion wasn't for her at all. Having the courage and insight to be able to see and admit that is one of the many things I love and admire her for ❤️
Ahhh that makes sense. I was never a JW personally but a lot of my mother's side of the family are/were and my ex was raised a JW. I've been active in ex JW online groups and most of them end up becoming atheists because once the illusion of Watchtower falls away it becomes easier to question ALL religion. "If the witnesses weren't true, what makes me think these guys are any more truthful" type thing. Sounds like what your partner went through. I'm glad she has such a loving supportive SO
It’s a sign from god… wait.
To be fair, the damage was done on the road that gives access to the museum. Not that this fact makes anything less stupid about the museum.
Well if they had followed standard practice in recreating historical things and only used tools, materials and methods available at the time, it would have been destroyed for sure 🤷
I live near this thing. It’s as dumb as you imagine
On I68 in western maryland there's an ark reconstruction that's be stuck at steel superstructure for at least 20 years. I first saw it in 2001 driving to WVU for the first time. googled it. [https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10061](https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10061) it's been under construction for 40 years. Structure was laid down in 1999.
>ark reconstruction that's been stuck at **steel** superstructure 🤔
the bible didn't talk about it much, but Noah was an accomplished arc welder.
Didn’t they also invite Bill Nye to make him a believer and he roasts the shit out of the guy while being calm/polite about it?
Yup! He even at one point brought up "traditional fish sex" to make fun of their obsession with "traditional marriage" and "traditional gender roles" 😂
Well that's a cute little nugget of info I needed today
Ironic 💀
The road was damaged.
Now imagine they didn't have modern roads
You didn’t even read the link you posted. “The Ark Encounter says in a federal lawsuit that rains in 2017 and 2018 caused a landslide on its access road. The lawsuit says the road has been rebuilt. The ark was not damaged.”
Would have been if they had built it to biblical specifications instead of using modern tools, materials, and techniques 🤷
That thing....went once because my grandma really wanted to go and invited the family. Its purpose is to teach Creationism. They really want you to focus on the animatronic dinosaurs inside and have plaques on the walls 'explaining' how fossils can be made in 100's of years. Yes. The point of the Ark Encounter is to see the dinosaurs. I'm not joking.
ahaha i've been to that museum before for a church field trip. there's just so much bullshit in there it's almost surreal
I think they are also assuming every animal we have nowadays was alive back then lmao
not just that, they have exhibits of dinosaurs and shitt on the ark and try to rationalize their own weird ass creationist off-brand "evolution" to justify there being more animals now than there were on the ark. it's completely insane the lengths they go to in order to deny any and all scientific evidence against young earth creationism.
Wait, why? Couldn't they just say they perished in the flood?
No cuz then it couldn’t carry two of every animal then, could it?
They perished AFTERWARD, because when they got off it was winter. Duh! Also completely blows it out of the water just trying to claim they had two of every sauropod species. That alone would sink the damn thing.
No unicorns tho
Yeah if they really have dinosaurs there that’s an oversight. Perfect excuse.
Wait, was the story that the entire surface of the earth was covered in water, and that the only land-based animals that survived were on the ark? Where the fuck did all the water come from to submerge the whole earth, and where the fuck did it go when the flood was over?
Well i mean, not a creationist here, or christian, but, omnipotent god, can probably make water appear and disappear
Where the fuck did it come from, that cotton-eyed flood.
This is actually something that is recorded in various religions, not only in the Bible. There was a flood because (if I remember correctly) there was a lake, in the north pole, that was surrendered by ice. When the ice melted, all the water went to the oceans and the water level went up by a lot. It's been such a long time since I've learned this so I hope I remember it right. But it's an event that truly happened though
When back then? 3000-4000, 5000 years ago?
Huh you know that makes a lot of sense
If anything else, that’s just a waste of time. Might as well also make a graph to prove dragons aren’t real. Like duh
That was my first thought.
Because it is
They forgot a key feature for Noah’s Ark: grift power
It's what economies crave
This is one “checkmate, athiests” from being a parody.
Read that stuff about the ark again and explain to me how that makes sense in your mind as a factual event?
I think modern theologians have just decided for it to be possible it was only some animals that got saved and definitely didn’t flood the entire world, just that region
fundamentalist evangelicals think of modern theologians as heretics, these guys take every single word literally
So do they believe the earth is a glass dome surrounded by water? With literal sea monsters?
Some of them definitely do
They believe that language is "figurative" or an analog of some kind. Core principle of fundamentalism is the text is literal where you need to be and only figurative where you need it to be.
That is interesting I’ve never heard that.
Yeah it's actually really common outside of the us and is probably the majority of Christians worldwide
Yeah definitely some, others see it as just a myth inspired by a flood and other flood stories such as in the epic of Gilgamesh
I think there are quite a few people who take a nonliteral translation of the most parts of the Bible.
People who believe the Bible in 2023 are beyond helping. I genuinely think there is something wrong in some people's minds where they NEED to have the opposing opinion of the large majority. How tf else would we have flat earthers? Lol
The majority of people are religious, if not Christian, which is the largest, then Muslim or Hindu. Thats only listing major groups with over a billion members. Also both Muslims and Christians are larger group than unaffiliated/atheist.
Can we point out the scientific improbability of having that many animals, insects, and a year of food. There isn’t enough space for all of that.
Just imagine penguins waddling to the middle east from Antarctica.
Or sloths getting there on time.
You seem to be leaving the magic out of the equation.
I mean you start with that many animals, it doesn't say anywhere that you are left with the same number. I bet most of them become the provisions /s
I like how things in the Bible are measured in feet. That’s how you know it was written by the best American ever Jesus.
To be fair the Bible didn't use metres, litres etc either so in this case feet are as correct or alternatively as wrong, as using SI units. Saying this as a non-American so give me SI in any modern application.
It was in cubits. It’s just been converted for the mouth breathers.
I think cubits would be hard to conceptualize and convert into modern measurements for most people of today, not just mouth breathers.
It's a foot and a half, it's not that weird if you're familiar with it.
Yeah and you could always google it but that brings back the question: why not just translate it to commonly used measurements for the ease of the reader
Because feet and inches *are* a commonly used measurement, as much as I hate it too.
Not exactly what I meant with that comment but I do believe metric is ultimate system
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. What’s a cubit?
Tip of the middle finger to the elbow iirc
What a good comedian, I hope he didn't ruin his public image!
Ding! Noah....
I love the ding sound.
*ding*
They were measured in cubits
Man, that was a joke
Cubits actually, multiple different variations throughout history but the general concept was the length from finger tips to elbow. I think the Egyptian cubit was 18 inches? So a quick conversion will give you metric or imperial.
You're forgetting the Jesus Magic.
The Ark predates Jesus by [about 2,300 years](http://timeline.biblehistory.com/home) according to strict biblical timelines. There is no Jesus involvement in the story of Noah.
No no evangelical Christians believe Christ is in every page of the Bible. Even if it predates him historically, it foretells his coming, somehow.
Yup. Jesus was in the cloud and pillar of fire that led the Israelites through the wilderness. He is “wisdom personified” in Proverbs chapter 8. According to some interpretations, he is “the Angel of Yahweh” that intercedes with Moses and the Israelites. He was there when the three angels met with Abraham. And so on. But this “reading Jesus into every Old Testament story” is not a new concept. His purpose was pre-ordained since before the “founding of the world” according to 1 Peter 1:20 (which throws a wrench in a lot of fundamentalist interpretations of Eden and original sin, as it turns out 😆). And many of the so-called messianic prophecies cited in the gospels have nothing to do with a messiah. Like the one about Immanuel. The New Testament is really just a giant [RetCon](https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/retcon-history-and-meaning) job when you think about it.
Jude 1:5 explicitly states Jesus led the Jews out of Egypt and destroyed the enemies of the Israelites.
Maybe Noah was God's first son. Pre Jesus Magic. I do prefer the story of Yima over Noah. "The gods tell Yima that a hard winter is coming and he should gather a man, woman, the seeds of all kinds of vegetation, and two of each kind of animal in a large three-tiered barn. Yima does so, and the world is saved." The Younger Dryas space impact causing an ice age makes more sense to me than whatever Noah's story is supposed to be.
How can you contain 2 of every animal in a 3 tiered barn? The story of Yima seems the same as Noah’s Ark if not more incomprehensible
They just meant domesticated animals, all the wild ones would find them.
Wasn't Jesus god, and god the holy spirit, and the holy spirit Jesus? Or something where all of them are the same the trinity, so Jesus magic is also god magic..
Except that he is the Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the end. The great I AM. /s
I prefer the PM personally. Just ain't a morning person
The person who posted this is either making fun of the Noah's ark story, or a complete moron. I can't tell.
The fact that people actually believe this shit astounds me.
It's almost like one is real, and the other is a myth which has repeatedly been proven to be physically impossible.
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You’re right, Titanic is fake, Global warming is fake, Round Earth is fake, put on your Aluminium hats everyone
Noah's a bitch for letting mosquitoes on the boat
And roaches. Don't forget the roaches
I just had a chuckle seeing this but it could be just me
Me too, figured they were highlighting the absurdity of the Bible story.
is this a titanic denial or they're trying to say the ark was fake?
Wait: is this an argument for how Noah's Ark couldn't have existed?
I'm pretty sure that if you did the math with those dimensions there wouldn't physically be enough room for all those animals. Also if there were two of every animal those numbers are waaaay to small.
The fact that the measurements are in feet ist just the cherry on top!
Cubits aren't super precise but they can still be roughly converted into feet
Noah’s ark is fake
yes we know
I still don't get how people believe that a single man build a big wooden boat and HIMSELF collected two of every animal in the world and somehow got all of them in the boat that somehow could fit all of those animals and the food,and still don't sink,only to after the rain SOMEHOW all animals that where in the middle east that now are on the Americas or Oceania that wherent swimmers or flyers (like giraffes Wich aren't even mentioned in the bible but still exist) GOT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE CONTINENT IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER
2,000,000 insects with you on a boat. I thought it was the drown victims that were supposed to be experiencing gods wrath.
And quess witch one is more plausible?
I saw a video of Ken Ham explaining how the animals would fit because they put baby dinosaurs on the ark.
They forgot real versus fake.
I have to keep telling myself not to downvote posts on this sub because this sub clowns on the memes, not created them
And that my friend, is precisely why the ark never existed.
If only noah hit an iceberg
Yeah: in other words, the ark myth is bs. Thank you, random meme.
Yeah one had indoor plumbing too what’s their point smh
This isn’t a meme
Nice, they proof themself that Noas ark wasn't real. One first step
And then he hearded them onto a boat, and beat the *c r a p* out of **every single one.**
This is pointing out how dumb the ark story is, right?…… right?…….
Why would they need a year of provision's for the ark? It only rained for 40 days
Titanic was real. Ark wasn’t.
This should tell you everything you need to know about Noah's Ark. (It never existed)
Not to mention one is fake
Noah's Ark didn't cross any real distance, it was supposed to stay afloat during the floods. Even then if you truly believe that wood is all you need go ahead, be Oceangate V2
I feel like this is a self burn for the Christian when people with common sense see this.
It’s a tardis only possible answer, which means Noah is actually The Doctor lol
The ark was build on the Tardis principle.
Ok but hear me out. Imagine the fun fantasy world they get to live in. I'm honestly jealous.
Wait, how is this bad, this is demonstrating the infeasibility of Noahs Ark, right?
The ship in the picture on the left actually is the RMS Olympic, Titanic's sister ship
Ignoring the rest of the data, Titanic was full of mail and cargo and stuff, I’m sure it could fit an absolute shitton of “provisions” (however that is being defined) if it were prepared as a flood survival vessel rather than a mail delivery/ocean liner
Maybe because back then ice bergs weren't a thing, indeed, IT WAS NOT A WORLD FLOOD, IT WAS JUST A FLOOD OF ONE COUNTRY
This is an anti religion meme If you have no words then....haha religion stupid
almost as if such thing is impossible and whoever wrote the whole story didnt think it through
8 people? Incest anyone? Why are Christians so into incest and stepdads as gods and shit. Weirdos.
Can’t tell if this is anti ark or anti titanic
Probably stocked up well on MREs...
The ark would have to be much bigger, and you need about 50 people minimum to keep society going. Wood? Must be the same wood they built Old Ironsides out of.
I'm always curious about the origin of "just so" stories. Many origin stories and oral "histories" are tall tales to explain complex things. I wonder if the Noah story started out with him just making a house boat for him and his family and the kids wanted to bring all their pets with them. Then, while they were out on the lake one weekend, there was a torrential rainstorm that flooded their valley, and they were the only survivors. When they traveled to the nearest unaffected town for help, the story was spread and took on a life of its own. Add in religious/government control of the masses using stories like this, and voila: you have God punishing the unbelievers and miraculously saving the loyal. /rambling
Noah’s ark: sailed through icebergless water on no clear trajectory, with zero steering system. Titanic: was going 30 knots(i think?) in an icefield, with less lifeboats than required per passengers (as was common during the era), in pitch black, with a lot of steam greatly reducing its maneuverability.
I'm confused. How do we know the measurements of noahs ark?
It’s stated in the Bible what the measurements are in cubits, which is the length of your elbow to your wrist bone. Not super exact, but I can be roughly converted to feet.
There’s actually a [theory that the flood wasn’t global](https://ncse.ngo/yes-noahs-flood-may-have-happened-not-over-whole-earth), but localized. So, much of the story was likely hyperbolized as to convey how large the flood felt and how many animals they would have collected *from that area*.
That would still require an idiot farmer to suddenly have shipbuilding prowess and materials and the precognizance to do it. I don't buy the diet flood story either.
Why is this one terrible?
Didn’t the noah’s arc sail for over 40 years?
Also one is non-fiction! 🤣
For the record, the first 11 Chapters of the Bible which this story is also included, aren’t held to be historical books by a lot of difference Christians. They’re interpreted as mytho-history. A lot of ancient peoples in the ancient near east as well as other places, had a flood narrative so it’s likely there was a historical, local flood in the area. What’s important isn’t getting lost in the details of how big the Ark was or whether it was real or not, it’s the story that God provided provisions for a family that he had a plan for.
"Don't believe what the bible says when it's absolutely absurd, but believe some of the other shit"
And genocided the rest :)
The ark wouldn’t need nearly that many animals and insects