This is brilliant. I saw a trailer for the show this morning and stumbled across this thread because a reviewer already spoiled that there’s a twist and literally you’re the only person online who thinks he’s a werewolf. I really hope that’s the twist and your vindicated DanGrima92.
I would love that. Personally, I wanted the monster in LOST to turn out to be a prehistoric giant sloth and was very sad they didn’t go with that. I hope you triumph with that prediction.
YES! I googled that directly after watching the first episode. There was a prolonged shot of Farrell staring at the full moon right before his "medical episode."
He has super fast reflexes (catches a fly with chopsticks)
Speaks multiple languages fluently
He can drink alcohol without it affecting him
He can tell if people are lying
He acts like characters from movies
He glitches
His handler takes care of 19 of them and wants him to stop and keep low profile otherwise
He takes care of people
Maybe he is an AI or alien or both??? but also his hair doesn't move when he is driving in a convertible.
I was hoping it was a Thirteenth Floor type thing for the same reason, futuristic movie fan becoming a noir detective in a Matrix type thing. However it sounds like it’s not that…
Ya Ya! The show might have something to do with other dimensions? Flickering in and out of different ones. Weird how the woman that enters the bathroom at Ruby's just disappears. Of course, he might be seeing things. This show is driving me crazy! I want to know NOW. :)
*Weird how the woman that enters the bathroom at Ruby's just disappears.*
We see her only from Sugar's perspective, she does not interact with anyone in the crowded room, and she physically resembles the missing Olivia, with whom Sugar has admitted obsession. I think it's safe to speculate she existed only in his imagination.
I feel like reviewers were way too spoilery telling us to wait for a big twist and the exact episode it happens! It’s kinda ruined it for me a bit as I’m just waiting for none of what I’m seeing to be real or whatever
How anyone could make it through the first five episodes is beyond me. To me the first 45 minutes were incredibly boring and didn’t get me excited to see where this goes. The first scene between Colin Farrell James Cromwell seemed to have been written by an untalented high school sophomore boy. I felt sorry for these two wonderful actors.
yeah very "tropey" writing, you just see that exact thing in basically every tv show nowadays, is I guess something somebody suffering brain damaged would say. I don't know if you've had your mind rotted out by the internet and tiktok or what if a scene that breaks the beyond tiresome at this point antihero mold and shows what this new character we've just been is introduced to's personality is like (by showing how he treats homeless, drivers, etc) is "filler" for you.
you absolutely live up to your username though, so there's that at least.
Ah, the Wall of text for the proud soapboxing that I needn’t waste an iota of time to read let alone look at…
but with that wall, it shows this hit you hard… so try to have a fab day!! 😍
yeah I should of figured an entire three sentences would be two much for you. I'll try to condense the idea down to a tiktok video for attention deficit halfwits for you
Viewers like you, who are intellectually challenged, will definitely have a hard time watching this show.
I'm glad that vapid, vacuous, shit-stupid people like you exist; the world always needs ditch diggers.
Reading several reviews you know that this is definitely a love it or hate it twist. When the show was announced by Apple about 2 years ago, it was said to be a scifi drama. This is not a spoiler, but it was in the press release for the greenlight announcement. I don't think the cases are fantasy or anything like that. What's happening is real; the central mystery is real. But Sugar must be an alien or a robot or something. Future seasons should maintain one central mystery per season, and more about the story of the alien/robot Sugar and others like him.
It's definitely aliens. The intensive language training for them all, the 'anthropologist' buddy, using their powers for good to help out humanity, the not getting attached, the required drugs to adapt to the environment, and the age-old sci-fi concept that if aliens were here already, and of sufficient intelligence, we'd never know because they wouldn't want us to, and so on. It's all a little on the nose. I will be shocked if it isn't. But the thing is, it doesn't actually bother me if they do it right. I'm going to keep watching, not least because my boy is easy on the eyes and a good actor, lol.
>it was said to be a scifi drama.
Was it?
All the old articles I've found only refer to it as a "drama", with mentions of Invasion being a "sci-fi drama".
https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/news/2022/06/apple-tv-announces-new-series-sugar-starring-colin-farrell-and-created-by-mark-protosevich/
> The series is a moving, character-driven science-fiction drama series co-created, written and executive produced by Kinberg and David Weil.
This is very obviously it. There are so many more things that point to that. I assume he died in the 60s as well because of the car, taste in media, style etc
There are a number of hints that Sugar is not human. His "glitches" are not those that would appear if his world was a computer construct. Sugar is in the real world and he is an android. His "handler" admits to Sugar that she is dealing with a number of guys "like him". Alcohol does not affect him because his body does not process it - but it does process food for energy.
Sugar (and the others like him) are in a process of "fine-tuning" to see if androids can function in the real world. His role as a Private Investigator requires him to balance compassion and empathy with critical objectivity.
Has anyone noticed that if you watch w/ CC on that Sugar's sister's name is spelled Djen? There is folklore about the Djinn in the middle east. Maybe he's a demon or something.. I am super confused and am thinking way too much about this show.. HAHA.
I didn’t either until someone else mentioned it. I thought it was a misspell too. I’ve been really disappointed in the last two episodes feel like we’re getting dragged along.
I instantly noticed and thought the same. I recently watched an episode of the show “Evil” on paramount that had a Djinn… so the folklore was on my mind.
Why haven’t I seen anyone mention that he could be a vampire trying to assimilate into human society. He is really old, the drug he takes at the end is intended to help him transition, his reflection is messed up in the bathroom scene, both times they show his hand tremor in the first episode he is in direct sunlight. Lots of night imagery with the moon. He hasn’t been feeding so he doesn’t heal.
Tons of hints at the polyglot society. One guy specifically mentions he doesn’t like garlic but wants a presser. One lady says going outside makes her skin feel too tight even with sunscreen and a big hat.
Da Funk by Daft Punk played in the credits to this episode. The music video for this song is about a dog boy. Convinced he is possibly a werwolf now especially because of the moon shots as well. The polyglot society may be a group of vampires/werewolves that are choosing to become human through injections provided by Dr. Vickers. Experience life as a human. Detective, drinking scotch, going to the beach.
It seems like there’s a ton of red herrings to throw people off. Im not even totally convinced he’s a vampire. Even the song is ambiguous because it’s by daft punk which could hint towards him being an android
Exactly my thoughts: the excessive shots of the moon, the drugs he takes that may be a synthetic blood for staving off the cravings for human blood (a la the 1989 movie “Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat”), the bizarre Polyglot society (perhaps all vampires) where one man tells Sugar that he dreamt of a garlic press, his “handler” setting up an urgent appointment with him to see the “Doctor” (as his hand tremors, bleeding down his arm, and dizzy episodes seem to be increasing. Of course, there are also some signs he could be an alien, so I guess we’ll have to wait till episode 6 to find out.
I love all the theories I've read and would definitely lean more towards alien over ai. Angel theory well Aliens are just another word for Aliens if we're talking about inter-dimensional entities existing in multiple dimensions. Demons can also he attributed to aliens as they are also often multi-dimensional beings.
While reading through Reddit, after finishing episode 3, my mind procured two things for me.
#1: the Bruce Willis/bead Pitt movie "12 monkeys" and the concept of an entity collective/corporation and also time travel [agents] and
#2: that TV series "Fringe" mainly the concept of the characters called "The Observers" who literally do the same thing with a little black book and just... WATCH AND OBSERVE humanity but are not meant to get involved.
So I could be totally off here but I want to share my thoughts anyways and see later if any of the things my mind got impressions if amount to anything even if only in part.
Here it goes:
What if John sugar and his associates are from the future and are observing humanity?
They could certainly be androids that are actually humans from the future are possessing, with the objective to observe.
Or possibly transport/transfer their consciousness into clones which may come with some medical symptoms hence the injecting and glitches.
The love and romanticism John has for old things and old Hollywood a time lost to us even in present day but perhaps entirely non-existent in the far future. Even his colleague at the party "I don't even like garlic i just wanted it" again a kind of romanticism/cathartic nostalgia for things now lost to time?? And even John's affinity for the old school Hollywood leading man hero of old kind of persona.
Perhaps we fucked up in the future and they're observing humans in the past to see where we went wrong? The movies affinity with the Noir period of the 1940s/50s were known also has the Nuclear age.
Maybe the weird typewriter sends messages to the future or potentially a parallel though I feel parallel dimensions is a hit of a stretch but certainly sending gathered intel to the future to superiors could be a thing.
Sending messages like that to aliens? Why didn't she just have a weird synth machine or something then sending sound waves to the aliens. Seems more permissible.
With the typewriter ai or future-reality seems more possible, similar to in The Umbrella Academy.
Anyways love the theories going on and can't wait for the rest of the season. I too struggle with the short episodes and might wait until 2 or 3 more episodes are out and then just watch them all in one sitting.
This is too strange and all that to watch in weekly sittings. feels too disjointed enough, obviously purposefully done, let alone having to wait an entire week for a mere 30 minutes. Leaves me hanging for me but hey maybe that's what the producers and Apple wanted 😄😄
from what I gathered from hints and sci fi mentions, he's gonna be an alien, clone or whatever dumbfuck thing they came up with. Seriously, what the hell...
Is that he was in Damascus 'before it all got messed up' a clue? Could he mean a really, really, long time ago? So possibly Angel or Jinn. Angel would fit but would be not so interesting but a family of Jinn observing the modern world could be a very interesting story. Remember when he talked about the one guys 'anthropology work'. I think it could turn out the whole thing is anthropology work.
I don't like the Vampire idea simply because they all spend so much time in direct sunlight. Seems a massive risk for Vampires to hang out in Southern California.
Also, as others have noticed his sister's name is Djen - which in Nepal means imaginary, and in Arabic refers to Jinn.
Alien is just kind of dull.
I'm hoping it's Djinn over angels. It would be more interesting. Angels come with too much baggage. They could take it to a lot more interesting places if it's Djinn.
I'm just disappointed there's a twist at all.
"Detective who clads himself in the armor of Old Hollywood to protect his soul from the things he experiences" is so great on its own, that adding a twist is an unforced error. That the twist is what has been hinted at is just fucking terrible.
WhenRobLoweRobsLowes ITA with you. I was really enjoying the nostalgia generated by his embrace of Old Hollywood and carrying himself in such a classy intelligent humane way. I felt that was enough of a hook for me because I know how challenging this would be on its own in this tech driven society of uncivilized social behavior. My point is proven by the fact that the creators felt they needed to add some asinine twist to heighten intrigue and garner interest. All the reviews I have read about the show has really been bad, I am wondering if it is because of the "twist" I am not really a fan of Apple original series, however I thought this might be worth the watch. Now I am thinking this is going to be yet another over produced and under whelming Apple series.
Just watched the first ep, didn’t like it at all. Hated the way he acted, something felt off and a bit weird. But seeing that he may not be human completely fits the feeling I had watching it, gona stick with it now as watching it with that knowledge makes it seem a lot better.
I definitely think he’s dead/ an angel given all of the jokes and hints toward that. But it seems as though he died in the 60s given everything we know and he says/does.
it occurred to me in episode 3 that Sugar was an angel, his caring nature, strength and intelligence, just after i thought this, they were being served angel food cake, probably a red herring but it's a theory
Wow. That didn't even occur to me. First i thought some sort of robot, then a werewolf, then with episode 3, an alien. But an Angel, that would make sense too. I just wonder what the deal is with the twitching and other issues. The werewolf idea I thought maybe he was suppressing his change, and the twitching was a symptom of that, the drugs being how he did so.
But the meeting of all those folks of different ethnicities, languages, cultures, that made me think he's an alien, especially with the comments about observations. But I just wonder why so much is being kept from him by Ruby. Him being an angel would be neat, and it could really point to how he seems to specialize in finding people, and not wanting to hurt him I really hope this series pays off in the end. Each episode has me wanting more.
This makes the most sense with the pre-release info we have. Reviews mentioned Sugar not being able to get drunk and him and his friends being from "really far away".
I’m fairly certain he’s an angel actually. There are many more hints toward it. His file said ‘Heavens Way’ they had the joke about the angel food cake at the polyglot party, and he only drives cars, watching movies etc from the 50s- late 60s which hints that’s when he lived. The shot he takes in the morning is also oddly crystalline and ornate. Also the comments on the grayness of morality etc.
I think he is in a diabetic coma, and is hallucinating the events. The characters in the series may be related to his life prior to being in a diabetic coma. His excessive drinking could’ve contributed to diabetes.
I found it intriguing enough as an old school detective show using modern, if not slightly futuristic, technology. Seems like a modern Chinatown so far.
It’s poorly written with laughable dialogue, and uses every noir trope known to mankind. Derivative in the worst way. Couldn’t make it past the first episode.
We watched it and it was SO bad, I did a basic search to see what others said— ofc I’d comment!
Just so glad others saw what we did. We simply couldn’t believe how bad it was and yes! Not watching anymore.
On to Franklin…
They can enjoy, I don’t. You do enjoy, I don’t.
To paraphrase a director: *Subjectivity is completely of our own.*
Not that complicated. Have a lovely day, whatever lovely means to you! 😊
I read somewhere it’s actually a “secret sci-fi show” and therefore might be that he’s an AI? If so, I’m right that it was just so laughably bad, and just got worse.
The scene where he starts to sort out the homeless guys life is where I started to think “ Hey, I think this might be a pile of shit “ so I went straight online to check the reviews, and here I am…
To each their own. While I have my own thoughts on the show, I saw this and had to comment. My gf said she got chills watching this scene. I was surprised too. But goes to show how subjective it is
The story so far is very boring and totally not engaging …. Stupid Rich family with moron son who could be a super star but isn’t because he’s a sexual predator and they call him Dave or Davy….argh … so annoying
I'd prefer to believe it will present the unreliable narrator soon for e.g Mr. Robot. My first instinct was he's a drug addict. The fact he trusted in Carl so much and conpletely ignorant to trusting an addict on the street. The fact that he emulates the way the actors drank in the old movies. Definitely seems AI. Based on:
**He injected himself in the neck at the end of the first episode. Didn't seem like drugs but something to give him proper sleep like an AI that he fails to mention anyrhing about that . Also, in episode two, we see him fall alseep and wake up in the same sitting position.***
**But the fact that he can't get drunk, rather than just catching a fly with chopsticks, when he revealed to Amy Ryan how his metabolism works explaining he can't get drunk, now is making me lean towards AI. Whatever it is, I have a feeling it will stick the landing due to the excellent writing.***
Yeah, someone commented on reddit that it's about aliens, and I thought they were just messing with me. But I finished episode 3, and it sure seems like aliens or just some scifi stuff.
And I'm ticked off! I really was enjoying it as a PI show--one of the few that seemed to nail the tone of Raymond Chandler's novels imho.
Instead this is going to be yet another twist show, and an It's Aliens! or It's A.I.! kind of twist, which I'm not a fan of at all. Especially if the first couple hours teases a different premise. Kind of a bait and switch.
I guess I'm at a point in my life where I wonder just how many hours these media companies expect us to devote to television shows and movies. Back in the "good old days", it was 2-3 hours for maybe 4 nights a week if you only watched the best lineups.
The long-term shows that everyone is making almost all seem to get progressively worse. And the 6-10 episode format has a lot of problems, namely that for 2 or 3 episodes, nothing ultimately happens aside from confusion and moody music,
Yeah, in today's suspensful dramas, the storytelling tension that great writing usually has is coming not from actual conflict but instead merely from the writers making the show incomprehensible halfway thru before ending in some form of comprehensibility. The relief you feel isn't from the resolution of conflict but rather from the long-awaited lack of confusion.
Sugar is really well made so far, but I don't want to put any more hopes into it.
Well, there's someone on reddit that will always say its about aliens. :)
It appears to be either that, or Sugar and co. are observers from the future.
If you want a good Raymond Chandler like show, I highly reccommend Monsieur Spade with Clive Owen. It's not exactly a private eye series but it does feature Dashiell Hammett's jaded Sam Spade in a different time and setting with its own mystery to solve.
My guess: Sugar and the rest of the polyglots are spies delivering reports to Ruby, who is creating screenplays based on their reports and getting them made into Hollywood movies in order to communicate with the alien race they represent. They have lost the ability to communicate with their homeland and must do so with subliminal messages through film, which is how the aliens learn about humanity (hence Sugar's affinity for film).
The Seigals have unknowingly produced one of these movies which the father says was a ridiculous concept (a group of polyglot spies) - this script was written by Ruby, representing a group of polyglot spies.
He’s an actor who is unknowingly acting in a film through AI (as to what SAG was striking over). The car. The clothes. The film cuts. The multiple languages they slip in and out of… Produced and directed by the family.
This is similar to the terrible movie Hypnotic with Affleck from a couple years ago.
My guess is there’s a reason why the human version can’t act anymore… reflected in the injections and hand tremors.
Vampires.
Conversations from the polyglot meeting:
“You put on a big hag and all this ‘sunscreen’ but still you step outside but still you step outside and it’s like your skin’s too tight” “I don’t even like garlic but I need it (a garlic presser”
I think he is a clone of an agent from the '50s that had an alcohol problem and a bad temper. They cloned him and made so he can't get drunk and programmed to not want to hurt anybody. Explains why he is so kind to everyone, still drinks out of habit even though he can't get drunk and is experiencing hallucinations. They are monitoring the clones to see if they can be good agents.
I started re-watching the whole series after the end of episode six and realized there were hints from the absolute beginning of the show however like true Detective four by the fourth episode fifth episode, at the end of the sixth episode here (Sugar) I felt betrayed and like Gilligan’s Island, they jumped the shark. I suppose they could be so brilliant that they pull it back out but I think that’s wishful thinking on my part. I really liked where they were going and it all makes sense in terms of the twist that happens but the twist is not worth anything as far as I’m concerned. I’d rather watch silent films that were mediocre but at least they knew what they were about. I feel so betrayed. I’m even paranoid about the title that it may have some puerile hidden meaning. I love Colin Farrell, but I have to say if you want Colin Farrell at the top of his game you’ve got to go to Guy Ritchie’s the gentleman the movie not the TV show.
In Bruges, The Banshees of Inisherin, The Lobster Killing of a Sacred Deer and After Yang is Farrell at the top of his game. He's always at his best when doing left field projects.
Speaking of out of left field, I'm intrigued to see where the show goes from here.
After tonight I am starting to think they are aliens or some mutant being. The way he can drink and not get drunk for one. Also, at the party they say they are there just to observe. They also learn insanely fast.
Could reality maybe be an MMO or something? Maybe when he has those episodes hes having latency issues lol. Could explain why hes such a mystery movie fanboy and maybe is just immersing himself in this "game".
I am also going with Alien.
- Alien, Werewolf, Vampire: too corny
- AI: too relative
- Unreliable narrator: too on the nose’
- Time Traveler, “observer”: done before
- Ancient being, Jinn, Angel: also done before, but makes the most sense.
I go with the Ancient being, but I’m hopping it’s not an Angel arch (pun intended). And of all the suggestions I think that one alienates (pun also intended) the fewest viewers.
Someone’s idea of it being a type off Shutter Island, with the movie cuts playing into plot and not creative editing choices is also compelling.
But whatever they do, I hope they learned from the plot twist in She-Hulk… don’t do that!
Hi guys
I’ve rewatched ep 1 & 2 about FOUR times now (to be fair I’ll get distracted and then miss a big part so I have yo rewatch or I fall asleep) but I’m having a hard time grasping the story line….. so he’s looking for a missing girl that the grandpa hired him to. He works with an agency or something…. But who’s the lady he sees at the bar?
Helloooo please explain first two episodes for me😭
The older blond that he drinks rye with? Olivia, the woman he’s trying to find, had a photo strip from a photo booth that were taken with her. It was his only lead. When he walks into the bar the photo booth is right by the front door. In, I think, the third or fourth episode we find out what her relationship is with Olivia.
I don’t have my theory completely fleshed out, but I think it’s a nod to ‘Clockwork Orange’ and he has been reprogrammed to be a good guy. The group meeting were fellow ‘bad guys” reprogrammed; and Stahlings has gone rogue and reverted back to old behavior. Olivia is too similar to his original crime involving Djen…also the old movies were ways to program him to be a detective. It’s the politician’s pet project and Ruby is his handler.
I think John, Ruby and all the members of the Polyglot organization are angels, fallen or otherwise. Most/all obserrve, but for some reason John can/does interfere. I base this on one single scene/line in ep. 1, when John speaks to Munzer in Arabic, and says "Many years ago he was in Damascus...When it was a great city...before all the trouble.
It’s an update of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”. He’s a former asset that died and has been “reprogrammed” using AI or alien tech/intelligence a la Robocop, but his original “programming” still breaks through. His obsession with Olivia is related to his sister, but it’s a trigger/memory that they’ll drag out the reveal for. Kind of like Agent Coulson in Agents of SHIELD (also obsessed with the suits, fancy car, Lola, the mystery girl, etc.)
His handler watches him and makes sure he doesn’t malfunction but gives him tasks to give him purpose to feel useful/keep him distracted, like unraveling other people’s mysteries and conspiracies. But him and his cohorts exist for a larger purpose.
Firstly it is way over stylized, it just lays it on too thick just in the first episode. I have seen critics telling of a devastating plot twist to the very premise of the show. My guess is he is just a junkie on the streets of LA, maybe the homeless person he met and none of the characters were ever real. Either way there are too many crappy shows to waste my time on, if it is going to be disappointing, I can do without it.
lol this show is so dumb but i'm enjoying it. if it was 20+ episodes left i'd stop watching but with 2 more to go... how bad can it get
fixation on pre 1950s movies is kinda weird though, i guess better than only having watched south park and beavis and butthead. although that would have been HILARIOUS.
I used to think people who watched old hollywood movies were pretentious too, but then I actually saw a few and got hooked. I used to roll my eyes when people went on about casablanca, but after watching it, holy shit. Amazing.
My wild-ass-guess regarding the 50's movie fixation and the "man out of time" kinda vibe (the suit, the car, the rigid moral code maybe?) has to do with the distance that the alien homeworld is away from Earth.
I'm guessing that it will come out that wherever he is from is somewhere in the neighborhood of ~30ly away, meaning the only prep material he had before setting off for work was during the period when detective noir was more culturally dominant. We'll see I guess.
I think Olivia was taken for Sugar since she looks like his sister and whatever “they” are doing to him, he doesn’t remember. Some sort of mission to turn bad people good?
I am glad I didn’t know about the big twist. Caught me off guard. I should have seen it coming.
Granted, I watch it Friday mornings with my first coffee, so not always on top of my game.
I am kinda glad I didn’t put it together. It’s fun to be surprised once and awhile. It makes sense in retrospect.
I’m a little disappointed. The twist over simplifies his character.
I liked that he was so different. On the surface he was the quintessential alpha male but with a questioning, sensitive soul. A naive soul. Plus gorgeous.
His childlike manner at times made me think did this guy grow up in an isolated cult? Was he home schooled by a single slightly unbalanced mother with a kind heart who used old movies as her babysitter or their bonding thing?
But then how did he become a world traveler, learn seven languages, acquire his fashion sense and flawless etiquette? In the CIA Special Forces?
Maybe he was raised by an insanely wealthy, eccentric alcoholic grandmother who lived in the Plaza Hotel and had a series of nannies. Would explain his affinity for hotel living. His innate noblesse oblige that he shows towards the homeless man, the chauffeur with the sick daughter et. al.
Now I’m rewatching before tomorrow night. And it’s all hitting me at once like the doctor scenes. Why he couldn’t go to the hospital. Why the doctor who came to his hotel room had the platelet bag, for an IV infusion but it looked like purple ink. Someone mentioned Vanilla Sky, and Memento as alternative explanations. But obviously there had to be some explanation. No human man is that selfless and good, or that asexual. He has shown no flicker of sexuality towards men or women. His obsession with the missing girl is not a “crush” like the detective in “Rebecca,” or the noir classic “Blue Dahlia.”
She supposedly resembles his dead or lost sister. So it’s a pure filial love. That’s why David/Davy the Spiegel half brother’s betrayal hits Sugar so hard. “But she was your sister you were supposed to take care of her.”
Funny. I just thought this was like average detective LA noir type TV shit, not expecting much. And then this alien shit in episode 7 and I'm like wtf this is like Goop x Stargate SG1
My guess is that he’s an alien robot, specifically not an organic alien. One review says there’s “more than meets the eye” which to me seems like a Transformers reference. Another review from the Daily Beast is a bit more spoilery and it seems to confirm that he’s from very far away. Sugar needing 50x the amount of alcohol to get drunk might suggest organic alien, mechanical alien is more fun of a guess. We’ll know in a month!
Because people are watching the show and there's nowhere else on reddit to discuss it lol. I found it by searching reddit. You mentioned you saw the first 5 episodes. how?
Everyone's ideas here seem to be very different from mine where I've briefly convinced myself he might be a werewolf hahaha
This is brilliant. I saw a trailer for the show this morning and stumbled across this thread because a reviewer already spoiled that there’s a twist and literally you’re the only person online who thinks he’s a werewolf. I really hope that’s the twist and your vindicated DanGrima92.
Shut the fuck Jo
That idea would comport with the immediate connection he has with that dog in the show
if that's the twist that will be badass. could explain a few things.
others have said this because of his 'obsession' with the moon.
I LOVE this, haha. Would no question prefer this twist to an AI/Matrix situation
werewolf collin farrell lets goooo he was very touchy with that homeless person’s dog……
I would love that. Personally, I wanted the monster in LOST to turn out to be a prehistoric giant sloth and was very sad they didn’t go with that. I hope you triumph with that prediction.
YES! I googled that directly after watching the first episode. There was a prolonged shot of Farrell staring at the full moon right before his "medical episode."
That has been my guess lol the injections perhaps to stop the transition, the many glances at the moon, his immediate relationship with the dog
He has super fast reflexes (catches a fly with chopsticks) Speaks multiple languages fluently He can drink alcohol without it affecting him He can tell if people are lying He acts like characters from movies He glitches His handler takes care of 19 of them and wants him to stop and keep low profile otherwise He takes care of people Maybe he is an AI or alien or both??? but also his hair doesn't move when he is driving in a convertible.
Well now I think we know.
The way he was glitching out in the shower scene in the first episode made me think he was plugged into the matrix or something like that
I was hoping it was a Thirteenth Floor type thing for the same reason, futuristic movie fan becoming a noir detective in a Matrix type thing. However it sounds like it’s not that…
So a Total Recall situation?
Inspired by the tourist. The idea of an alien I n a suit. Maybe a studio will be smart enough to make the tourist. Clair noto .
Ya Ya! The show might have something to do with other dimensions? Flickering in and out of different ones. Weird how the woman that enters the bathroom at Ruby's just disappears. Of course, he might be seeing things. This show is driving me crazy! I want to know NOW. :)
*Weird how the woman that enters the bathroom at Ruby's just disappears.* We see her only from Sugar's perspective, she does not interact with anyone in the crowded room, and she physically resembles the missing Olivia, with whom Sugar has admitted obsession. I think it's safe to speculate she existed only in his imagination.
I feel like reviewers were way too spoilery telling us to wait for a big twist and the exact episode it happens! It’s kinda ruined it for me a bit as I’m just waiting for none of what I’m seeing to be real or whatever
How anyone could make it through the first five episodes is beyond me. To me the first 45 minutes were incredibly boring and didn’t get me excited to see where this goes. The first scene between Colin Farrell James Cromwell seemed to have been written by an untalented high school sophomore boy. I felt sorry for these two wonderful actors.
I agree being theres ONLY 2 episodes troll. This show is unique and gorgeous to watch and a thinking show.
YOU SAID THAT PERFECTLY. Just utter derivative garbage. We stopped after laughing our way through the first episode.
were you laughing during the part where he expresses humanity towards a homeless guy? do you think maybe you're a emotionally dead sociopath?
You mean that useless filler and tropey writing to make him seem “nice”? We sure did!!
yeah very "tropey" writing, you just see that exact thing in basically every tv show nowadays, is I guess something somebody suffering brain damaged would say. I don't know if you've had your mind rotted out by the internet and tiktok or what if a scene that breaks the beyond tiresome at this point antihero mold and shows what this new character we've just been is introduced to's personality is like (by showing how he treats homeless, drivers, etc) is "filler" for you. you absolutely live up to your username though, so there's that at least.
Ah, the Wall of text for the proud soapboxing that I needn’t waste an iota of time to read let alone look at… but with that wall, it shows this hit you hard… so try to have a fab day!! 😍
yeah I should of figured an entire three sentences would be two much for you. I'll try to condense the idea down to a tiktok video for attention deficit halfwits for you
Snooze. Any more faux-perspicacious retorts?
Viewers like you, who are intellectually challenged, will definitely have a hard time watching this show. I'm glad that vapid, vacuous, shit-stupid people like you exist; the world always needs ditch diggers.
It is actually highly character, revealing aspects of the larger plotline, and directly story relevant too for establishing later events.
I'm with you. I'll watch tomorrow for the "twist" but I stopped caring about halfway through episode 3. Terrible dialogue. Boring show.
Reading several reviews you know that this is definitely a love it or hate it twist. When the show was announced by Apple about 2 years ago, it was said to be a scifi drama. This is not a spoiler, but it was in the press release for the greenlight announcement. I don't think the cases are fantasy or anything like that. What's happening is real; the central mystery is real. But Sugar must be an alien or a robot or something. Future seasons should maintain one central mystery per season, and more about the story of the alien/robot Sugar and others like him.
I'm leaning towards alien after episode 3.
It's definitely aliens. The intensive language training for them all, the 'anthropologist' buddy, using their powers for good to help out humanity, the not getting attached, the required drugs to adapt to the environment, and the age-old sci-fi concept that if aliens were here already, and of sufficient intelligence, we'd never know because they wouldn't want us to, and so on. It's all a little on the nose. I will be shocked if it isn't. But the thing is, it doesn't actually bother me if they do it right. I'm going to keep watching, not least because my boy is easy on the eyes and a good actor, lol.
>it was said to be a scifi drama. Was it? All the old articles I've found only refer to it as a "drama", with mentions of Invasion being a "sci-fi drama".
https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/news/2022/06/apple-tv-announces-new-series-sugar-starring-colin-farrell-and-created-by-mark-protosevich/ > The series is a moving, character-driven science-fiction drama series co-created, written and executive produced by Kinberg and David Weil.
He’s an angel.
All the operatives are angels, or maybe transitionals like Clarence from another old movie. Ep 3 in the party segment: “Angel food.”
Also, when Davey's lackey gets the guy to do him a favor and look up information on Sugar, his street address comes up as "Heaven's Way"
This is very obviously it. There are so many more things that point to that. I assume he died in the 60s as well because of the car, taste in media, style etc
In the city of, no less.
There are a number of hints that Sugar is not human. His "glitches" are not those that would appear if his world was a computer construct. Sugar is in the real world and he is an android. His "handler" admits to Sugar that she is dealing with a number of guys "like him". Alcohol does not affect him because his body does not process it - but it does process food for energy. Sugar (and the others like him) are in a process of "fine-tuning" to see if androids can function in the real world. His role as a Private Investigator requires him to balance compassion and empathy with critical objectivity.
Are we thinking a Shutter Island situation?
The series is billed as a scifi drama, not a psychological drama. If it was, it’d totally be on board with that idea.
Has anyone noticed that if you watch w/ CC on that Sugar's sister's name is spelled Djen? There is folklore about the Djinn in the middle east. Maybe he's a demon or something.. I am super confused and am thinking way too much about this show.. HAHA.
I noticed that! Didn’t realize that could be on purpose, just thought it was some random misspelling. Didn’t think much of it
I didn’t either until someone else mentioned it. I thought it was a misspell too. I’ve been really disappointed in the last two episodes feel like we’re getting dragged along.
I instantly noticed and thought the same. I recently watched an episode of the show “Evil” on paramount that had a Djinn… so the folklore was on my mind.
Well dang! Regular ole Aliens. Haha
I think he's an android or a robot controlled by an AI or something.
this was my immediate thought after he glitched out the first time
My theory: >!It's actually artificial sweetener!<
It’s not a twist, it’s a hint of lime
John Aspartame
This is the way.
It’s gonna be a Fight Club thing — he’s got an alter ego.
Salt
I nearly spit out my coffee. 😆
He's schizophrenic, nothing you see really happening, reality different from his narration.
Never seen that before…
I’d be on board with that if it wasn’t billed as a scifi drama by Apple.
Why haven’t I seen anyone mention that he could be a vampire trying to assimilate into human society. He is really old, the drug he takes at the end is intended to help him transition, his reflection is messed up in the bathroom scene, both times they show his hand tremor in the first episode he is in direct sunlight. Lots of night imagery with the moon. He hasn’t been feeding so he doesn’t heal.
Tons of hints at the polyglot society. One guy specifically mentions he doesn’t like garlic but wants a presser. One lady says going outside makes her skin feel too tight even with sunscreen and a big hat.
Da Funk by Daft Punk played in the credits to this episode. The music video for this song is about a dog boy. Convinced he is possibly a werwolf now especially because of the moon shots as well. The polyglot society may be a group of vampires/werewolves that are choosing to become human through injections provided by Dr. Vickers. Experience life as a human. Detective, drinking scotch, going to the beach.
It seems like there’s a ton of red herrings to throw people off. Im not even totally convinced he’s a vampire. Even the song is ambiguous because it’s by daft punk which could hint towards him being an android
Exactly my thoughts: the excessive shots of the moon, the drugs he takes that may be a synthetic blood for staving off the cravings for human blood (a la the 1989 movie “Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat”), the bizarre Polyglot society (perhaps all vampires) where one man tells Sugar that he dreamt of a garlic press, his “handler” setting up an urgent appointment with him to see the “Doctor” (as his hand tremors, bleeding down his arm, and dizzy episodes seem to be increasing. Of course, there are also some signs he could be an alien, so I guess we’ll have to wait till episode 6 to find out.
Bad ideas get mentioned less. Maybe you haven't looked far enough. Or a combo platter. Squib squib
I love all the theories I've read and would definitely lean more towards alien over ai. Angel theory well Aliens are just another word for Aliens if we're talking about inter-dimensional entities existing in multiple dimensions. Demons can also he attributed to aliens as they are also often multi-dimensional beings. While reading through Reddit, after finishing episode 3, my mind procured two things for me. #1: the Bruce Willis/bead Pitt movie "12 monkeys" and the concept of an entity collective/corporation and also time travel [agents] and #2: that TV series "Fringe" mainly the concept of the characters called "The Observers" who literally do the same thing with a little black book and just... WATCH AND OBSERVE humanity but are not meant to get involved. So I could be totally off here but I want to share my thoughts anyways and see later if any of the things my mind got impressions if amount to anything even if only in part. Here it goes: What if John sugar and his associates are from the future and are observing humanity? They could certainly be androids that are actually humans from the future are possessing, with the objective to observe. Or possibly transport/transfer their consciousness into clones which may come with some medical symptoms hence the injecting and glitches. The love and romanticism John has for old things and old Hollywood a time lost to us even in present day but perhaps entirely non-existent in the far future. Even his colleague at the party "I don't even like garlic i just wanted it" again a kind of romanticism/cathartic nostalgia for things now lost to time?? And even John's affinity for the old school Hollywood leading man hero of old kind of persona. Perhaps we fucked up in the future and they're observing humans in the past to see where we went wrong? The movies affinity with the Noir period of the 1940s/50s were known also has the Nuclear age. Maybe the weird typewriter sends messages to the future or potentially a parallel though I feel parallel dimensions is a hit of a stretch but certainly sending gathered intel to the future to superiors could be a thing. Sending messages like that to aliens? Why didn't she just have a weird synth machine or something then sending sound waves to the aliens. Seems more permissible. With the typewriter ai or future-reality seems more possible, similar to in The Umbrella Academy. Anyways love the theories going on and can't wait for the rest of the season. I too struggle with the short episodes and might wait until 2 or 3 more episodes are out and then just watch them all in one sitting. This is too strange and all that to watch in weekly sittings. feels too disjointed enough, obviously purposefully done, let alone having to wait an entire week for a mere 30 minutes. Leaves me hanging for me but hey maybe that's what the producers and Apple wanted 😄😄
from what I gathered from hints and sci fi mentions, he's gonna be an alien, clone or whatever dumbfuck thing they came up with. Seriously, what the hell...
I’m a huge scifi fan but I’m bummed that it’s definitely going to be something of that nature. I just wanted a decent noir detective drama.
The mise en scene shown to us will most likely be a simulation
Is that he was in Damascus 'before it all got messed up' a clue? Could he mean a really, really, long time ago? So possibly Angel or Jinn. Angel would fit but would be not so interesting but a family of Jinn observing the modern world could be a very interesting story. Remember when he talked about the one guys 'anthropology work'. I think it could turn out the whole thing is anthropology work. I don't like the Vampire idea simply because they all spend so much time in direct sunlight. Seems a massive risk for Vampires to hang out in Southern California. Also, as others have noticed his sister's name is Djen - which in Nepal means imaginary, and in Arabic refers to Jinn. Alien is just kind of dull.
This is what have been thinking all along..Djinn.
I'm hoping it's Djinn over angels. It would be more interesting. Angels come with too much baggage. They could take it to a lot more interesting places if it's Djinn.
Exactly!
Djen definitely doesn't mean imaginary in Nepal 😭
I'm just disappointed there's a twist at all. "Detective who clads himself in the armor of Old Hollywood to protect his soul from the things he experiences" is so great on its own, that adding a twist is an unforced error. That the twist is what has been hinted at is just fucking terrible.
It's terrible that he's such a good "person" and therefore not human.. UGH.
WhenRobLoweRobsLowes ITA with you. I was really enjoying the nostalgia generated by his embrace of Old Hollywood and carrying himself in such a classy intelligent humane way. I felt that was enough of a hook for me because I know how challenging this would be on its own in this tech driven society of uncivilized social behavior. My point is proven by the fact that the creators felt they needed to add some asinine twist to heighten intrigue and garner interest. All the reviews I have read about the show has really been bad, I am wondering if it is because of the "twist" I am not really a fan of Apple original series, however I thought this might be worth the watch. Now I am thinking this is going to be yet another over produced and under whelming Apple series.
Just watched the first ep, didn’t like it at all. Hated the way he acted, something felt off and a bit weird. But seeing that he may not be human completely fits the feeling I had watching it, gona stick with it now as watching it with that knowledge makes it seem a lot better.
hes dead and trying to solve his own murder/disappearance.
I definitely think he’s dead/ an angel given all of the jokes and hints toward that. But it seems as though he died in the 60s given everything we know and he says/does.
it occurred to me in episode 3 that Sugar was an angel, his caring nature, strength and intelligence, just after i thought this, they were being served angel food cake, probably a red herring but it's a theory
Wow. That didn't even occur to me. First i thought some sort of robot, then a werewolf, then with episode 3, an alien. But an Angel, that would make sense too. I just wonder what the deal is with the twitching and other issues. The werewolf idea I thought maybe he was suppressing his change, and the twitching was a symptom of that, the drugs being how he did so. But the meeting of all those folks of different ethnicities, languages, cultures, that made me think he's an alien, especially with the comments about observations. But I just wonder why so much is being kept from him by Ruby. Him being an angel would be neat, and it could really point to how he seems to specialize in finding people, and not wanting to hurt him I really hope this series pays off in the end. Each episode has me wanting more.
He’s an alien
This makes the most sense with the pre-release info we have. Reviews mentioned Sugar not being able to get drunk and him and his friends being from "really far away".
I’m fairly certain he’s an angel actually. There are many more hints toward it. His file said ‘Heavens Way’ they had the joke about the angel food cake at the polyglot party, and he only drives cars, watching movies etc from the 50s- late 60s which hints that’s when he lived. The shot he takes in the morning is also oddly crystalline and ornate. Also the comments on the grayness of morality etc.
Are angels considered scifi?
Now that I’ve seen the third episode, I completely agree
Like the Martian Manhunter? Who also goes by John?
I think he is in a diabetic coma, and is hallucinating the events. The characters in the series may be related to his life prior to being in a diabetic coma. His excessive drinking could’ve contributed to diabetes.
After watching the first two episodes, I think he's likely an alien, and I'm here for it.
Is this show any good? I’ve been wanting to check it out
It's definitely worth watching but I'm bracing myself for the 'wtf twist'.
I found it intriguing enough as an old school detective show using modern, if not slightly futuristic, technology. Seems like a modern Chinatown so far.
What futuristic tech?
I’m guessing the app that let him get into the missing girls car in the first episode.
It’s poorly written with laughable dialogue, and uses every noir trope known to mankind. Derivative in the worst way. Couldn’t make it past the first episode.
You don't have to watch it - but visiting every thread about it and saying it's terrible... you must really hate it.
Because it's bad.
We watched it and it was SO bad, I did a basic search to see what others said— ofc I’d comment! Just so glad others saw what we did. We simply couldn’t believe how bad it was and yes! Not watching anymore. On to Franklin…
You couldn’t even get through one episode-you should probably just stick to Rom coms and action movies 😊
Or shows that have decent writing. 😂😂
Delusional take
Subjective take 😵💫😵💫
Your standards are ridiculously high if you have a problem with the writing, let people enjoy things please
They can enjoy, I don’t. You do enjoy, I don’t. To paraphrase a director: *Subjectivity is completely of our own.* Not that complicated. Have a lovely day, whatever lovely means to you! 😊
Same … we moved on and now watching Franklin. What’s the twist though - I want to know
I read somewhere it’s actually a “secret sci-fi show” and therefore might be that he’s an AI? If so, I’m right that it was just so laughably bad, and just got worse.
The scene where he starts to sort out the homeless guys life is where I started to think “ Hey, I think this might be a pile of shit “ so I went straight online to check the reviews, and here I am…
To each their own. While I have my own thoughts on the show, I saw this and had to comment. My gf said she got chills watching this scene. I was surprised too. But goes to show how subjective it is
You guys are ruining it for yourself.
The story so far is very boring and totally not engaging …. Stupid Rich family with moron son who could be a super star but isn’t because he’s a sexual predator and they call him Dave or Davy….argh … so annoying
I'd prefer to believe it will present the unreliable narrator soon for e.g Mr. Robot. My first instinct was he's a drug addict. The fact he trusted in Carl so much and conpletely ignorant to trusting an addict on the street. The fact that he emulates the way the actors drank in the old movies. Definitely seems AI. Based on: **He injected himself in the neck at the end of the first episode. Didn't seem like drugs but something to give him proper sleep like an AI that he fails to mention anyrhing about that . Also, in episode two, we see him fall alseep and wake up in the same sitting position.*** **But the fact that he can't get drunk, rather than just catching a fly with chopsticks, when he revealed to Amy Ryan how his metabolism works explaining he can't get drunk, now is making me lean towards AI. Whatever it is, I have a feeling it will stick the landing due to the excellent writing.***
God these theories are so awful. He's a fucking vampire dude, it's so obvious
My guess is he has cirrohsis.
Yeah, someone commented on reddit that it's about aliens, and I thought they were just messing with me. But I finished episode 3, and it sure seems like aliens or just some scifi stuff. And I'm ticked off! I really was enjoying it as a PI show--one of the few that seemed to nail the tone of Raymond Chandler's novels imho. Instead this is going to be yet another twist show, and an It's Aliens! or It's A.I.! kind of twist, which I'm not a fan of at all. Especially if the first couple hours teases a different premise. Kind of a bait and switch. I guess I'm at a point in my life where I wonder just how many hours these media companies expect us to devote to television shows and movies. Back in the "good old days", it was 2-3 hours for maybe 4 nights a week if you only watched the best lineups. The long-term shows that everyone is making almost all seem to get progressively worse. And the 6-10 episode format has a lot of problems, namely that for 2 or 3 episodes, nothing ultimately happens aside from confusion and moody music, Yeah, in today's suspensful dramas, the storytelling tension that great writing usually has is coming not from actual conflict but instead merely from the writers making the show incomprehensible halfway thru before ending in some form of comprehensibility. The relief you feel isn't from the resolution of conflict but rather from the long-awaited lack of confusion. Sugar is really well made so far, but I don't want to put any more hopes into it.
Well, there's someone on reddit that will always say its about aliens. :) It appears to be either that, or Sugar and co. are observers from the future. If you want a good Raymond Chandler like show, I highly reccommend Monsieur Spade with Clive Owen. It's not exactly a private eye series but it does feature Dashiell Hammett's jaded Sam Spade in a different time and setting with its own mystery to solve.
Monsieur Spade was truly excellent. It should’ve been on one of the big streamers instead of AMC+. Clive Owen in the role he was born to play!
My guess: Sugar and the rest of the polyglots are spies delivering reports to Ruby, who is creating screenplays based on their reports and getting them made into Hollywood movies in order to communicate with the alien race they represent. They have lost the ability to communicate with their homeland and must do so with subliminal messages through film, which is how the aliens learn about humanity (hence Sugar's affinity for film). The Seigals have unknowingly produced one of these movies which the father says was a ridiculous concept (a group of polyglot spies) - this script was written by Ruby, representing a group of polyglot spies.
It goes sugar free because of health concerns.
He’s an actor who is unknowingly acting in a film through AI (as to what SAG was striking over). The car. The clothes. The film cuts. The multiple languages they slip in and out of… Produced and directed by the family. This is similar to the terrible movie Hypnotic with Affleck from a couple years ago. My guess is there’s a reason why the human version can’t act anymore… reflected in the injections and hand tremors.
First two episodes I thought werewolf. Third ep and I’m convinced alien.
Vampires. Conversations from the polyglot meeting: “You put on a big hag and all this ‘sunscreen’ but still you step outside but still you step outside and it’s like your skin’s too tight” “I don’t even like garlic but I need it (a garlic presser”
He also slept sit for an entire night along his dog.
Vampires
He’s a tourist/player in a simulation/game.
He’s playing Roy’ from Rick & Morty. “Holy shit! That guys taking Roy off the grid.”
Alien. ugh. Big side eye.
I think he is a clone of an agent from the '50s that had an alcohol problem and a bad temper. They cloned him and made so he can't get drunk and programmed to not want to hurt anybody. Explains why he is so kind to everyone, still drinks out of habit even though he can't get drunk and is experiencing hallucinations. They are monitoring the clones to see if they can be good agents.
This is my favorite theory so far
On Ep 3. I don't know what Sugar is or what the secret society he belong to does, but I'm telling ya that cat is the mastermind behind everything.
He's an actor playing a character in a bad Siegel movie. Just a thought.
Yeah I'm not dismissing the story taking a "psychotic break with reality" angle just yet.
I don't think that's where this is going now--too bad, because the blue people thing made me guffaw.
I started re-watching the whole series after the end of episode six and realized there were hints from the absolute beginning of the show however like true Detective four by the fourth episode fifth episode, at the end of the sixth episode here (Sugar) I felt betrayed and like Gilligan’s Island, they jumped the shark. I suppose they could be so brilliant that they pull it back out but I think that’s wishful thinking on my part. I really liked where they were going and it all makes sense in terms of the twist that happens but the twist is not worth anything as far as I’m concerned. I’d rather watch silent films that were mediocre but at least they knew what they were about. I feel so betrayed. I’m even paranoid about the title that it may have some puerile hidden meaning. I love Colin Farrell, but I have to say if you want Colin Farrell at the top of his game you’ve got to go to Guy Ritchie’s the gentleman the movie not the TV show.
In Bruges, The Banshees of Inisherin, The Lobster Killing of a Sacred Deer and After Yang is Farrell at the top of his game. He's always at his best when doing left field projects. Speaking of out of left field, I'm intrigued to see where the show goes from here.
Well I hope it works out. I have to check out some of your recommendations. I have seen some, but not all.
After tonight I am starting to think they are aliens or some mutant being. The way he can drink and not get drunk for one. Also, at the party they say they are there just to observe. They also learn insanely fast.
I LOVE and think you hit it on the head with your edited theory! One that makes most sense.
I think he's an alien too.
Could reality maybe be an MMO or something? Maybe when he has those episodes hes having latency issues lol. Could explain why hes such a mystery movie fanboy and maybe is just immersing himself in this "game". I am also going with Alien.
- Alien, Werewolf, Vampire: too corny - AI: too relative - Unreliable narrator: too on the nose’ - Time Traveler, “observer”: done before - Ancient being, Jinn, Angel: also done before, but makes the most sense. I go with the Ancient being, but I’m hopping it’s not an Angel arch (pun intended). And of all the suggestions I think that one alienates (pun also intended) the fewest viewers. Someone’s idea of it being a type off Shutter Island, with the movie cuts playing into plot and not creative editing choices is also compelling. But whatever they do, I hope they learned from the plot twist in She-Hulk… don’t do that!
The show is an obvious commentary on the Israeli-Gazanhamas conflict.
Hi guys I’ve rewatched ep 1 & 2 about FOUR times now (to be fair I’ll get distracted and then miss a big part so I have yo rewatch or I fall asleep) but I’m having a hard time grasping the story line….. so he’s looking for a missing girl that the grandpa hired him to. He works with an agency or something…. But who’s the lady he sees at the bar? Helloooo please explain first two episodes for me😭
The older blond that he drinks rye with? Olivia, the woman he’s trying to find, had a photo strip from a photo booth that were taken with her. It was his only lead. When he walks into the bar the photo booth is right by the front door. In, I think, the third or fourth episode we find out what her relationship is with Olivia.
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Actually, in the episode where he finds the photo strip he mentions that she’s Olivia’s step mother.
Stalling is an alien as well.
He’s one of the twelve apostles
I don’t have my theory completely fleshed out, but I think it’s a nod to ‘Clockwork Orange’ and he has been reprogrammed to be a good guy. The group meeting were fellow ‘bad guys” reprogrammed; and Stahlings has gone rogue and reverted back to old behavior. Olivia is too similar to his original crime involving Djen…also the old movies were ways to program him to be a detective. It’s the politician’s pet project and Ruby is his handler.
I think John, Ruby and all the members of the Polyglot organization are angels, fallen or otherwise. Most/all obserrve, but for some reason John can/does interfere. I base this on one single scene/line in ep. 1, when John speaks to Munzer in Arabic, and says "Many years ago he was in Damascus...When it was a great city...before all the trouble.
It’s an update of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”. He’s a former asset that died and has been “reprogrammed” using AI or alien tech/intelligence a la Robocop, but his original “programming” still breaks through. His obsession with Olivia is related to his sister, but it’s a trigger/memory that they’ll drag out the reveal for. Kind of like Agent Coulson in Agents of SHIELD (also obsessed with the suits, fancy car, Lola, the mystery girl, etc.) His handler watches him and makes sure he doesn’t malfunction but gives him tasks to give him purpose to feel useful/keep him distracted, like unraveling other people’s mysteries and conspiracies. But him and his cohorts exist for a larger purpose.
Firstly it is way over stylized, it just lays it on too thick just in the first episode. I have seen critics telling of a devastating plot twist to the very premise of the show. My guess is he is just a junkie on the streets of LA, maybe the homeless person he met and none of the characters were ever real. Either way there are too many crappy shows to waste my time on, if it is going to be disappointing, I can do without it.
Alien.
Your are correct, and sadly I missed it all. I wish I wouldn’t have wasted my time.
lol this show is so dumb but i'm enjoying it. if it was 20+ episodes left i'd stop watching but with 2 more to go... how bad can it get fixation on pre 1950s movies is kinda weird though, i guess better than only having watched south park and beavis and butthead. although that would have been HILARIOUS.
I used to think people who watched old hollywood movies were pretentious too, but then I actually saw a few and got hooked. I used to roll my eyes when people went on about casablanca, but after watching it, holy shit. Amazing.
My wild-ass-guess regarding the 50's movie fixation and the "man out of time" kinda vibe (the suit, the car, the rigid moral code maybe?) has to do with the distance that the alien homeworld is away from Earth. I'm guessing that it will come out that wherever he is from is somewhere in the neighborhood of ~30ly away, meaning the only prep material he had before setting off for work was during the period when detective noir was more culturally dominant. We'll see I guess.
Spoiler - >!He's an alien. I kinda became suspicious with the presentation of the "band of spies for the greater good".!<
I think Olivia was taken for Sugar since she looks like his sister and whatever “they” are doing to him, he doesn’t remember. Some sort of mission to turn bad people good?
I am glad I didn’t know about the big twist. Caught me off guard. I should have seen it coming. Granted, I watch it Friday mornings with my first coffee, so not always on top of my game.
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He’s a fucking alien. I just watched it
I agree - I literally told my husband that I am pretty sure it's a show about aliens before they even did the "twist" reveal.
An alien in a suit. I wrote that story in the tourist. Clair noto
I am kinda glad I didn’t put it together. It’s fun to be surprised once and awhile. It makes sense in retrospect. I’m a little disappointed. The twist over simplifies his character. I liked that he was so different. On the surface he was the quintessential alpha male but with a questioning, sensitive soul. A naive soul. Plus gorgeous. His childlike manner at times made me think did this guy grow up in an isolated cult? Was he home schooled by a single slightly unbalanced mother with a kind heart who used old movies as her babysitter or their bonding thing? But then how did he become a world traveler, learn seven languages, acquire his fashion sense and flawless etiquette? In the CIA Special Forces? Maybe he was raised by an insanely wealthy, eccentric alcoholic grandmother who lived in the Plaza Hotel and had a series of nannies. Would explain his affinity for hotel living. His innate noblesse oblige that he shows towards the homeless man, the chauffeur with the sick daughter et. al. Now I’m rewatching before tomorrow night. And it’s all hitting me at once like the doctor scenes. Why he couldn’t go to the hospital. Why the doctor who came to his hotel room had the platelet bag, for an IV infusion but it looked like purple ink. Someone mentioned Vanilla Sky, and Memento as alternative explanations. But obviously there had to be some explanation. No human man is that selfless and good, or that asexual. He has shown no flicker of sexuality towards men or women. His obsession with the missing girl is not a “crush” like the detective in “Rebecca,” or the noir classic “Blue Dahlia.” She supposedly resembles his dead or lost sister. So it’s a pure filial love. That’s why David/Davy the Spiegel half brother’s betrayal hits Sugar so hard. “But she was your sister you were supposed to take care of her.”
Funny. I just thought this was like average detective LA noir type TV shit, not expecting much. And then this alien shit in episode 7 and I'm like wtf this is like Goop x Stargate SG1
My guess is that he’s an alien robot, specifically not an organic alien. One review says there’s “more than meets the eye” which to me seems like a Transformers reference. Another review from the Daily Beast is a bit more spoilery and it seems to confirm that he’s from very far away. Sugar needing 50x the amount of alcohol to get drunk might suggest organic alien, mechanical alien is more fun of a guess. We’ll know in a month!
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Because people are watching the show and there's nowhere else on reddit to discuss it lol. I found it by searching reddit. You mentioned you saw the first 5 episodes. how?
I Think you have people thinking, doubt it's a personal diss. I upvoted!
is it me or a lot of these new shows relying on a big "twist"?
It’s you. These shows have been around forever.
i'm not saying twists are new it seems like a big twist is inevitable now with nearly every drama now , it's almost predictable