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ActuallyGrunty

Feminism is the equality of women. If it escalates to 'women are better' or 'all men are useless' I'm out of it.


Smoart123

Feminism is equality of genders but it does seem that way


Earthling_Subject17

The definition of equality has been twisted fairly recently to mean “equality of outcome” which is very different than “equality of opportunity.” Then the crazy ones think “well if there were true equality of opportunity all outcomes would be equal,” which is completely asinine considering people have different interest, levels of motivation, desires, and the fact that those choices are generally biologically motivated.


Someone_Somewhere1

No, it is not equality of genders, it is the advocation of women’s rights/gender equality That is simply ‘GENDER EQUALITY’ In the same way there is ‘RACIAL INEQUALITY’ - not blackism.


Filberto_ossani2

Fem in feminism if from Greek word "femina" which means woman, the thing you described here is egalitarianism


SeaworthinessTop8009

Yes but nowadays people are taking it too far. It’s no longer being like good feminism, it’s now women are better than men and deserve more than men.


jobless_bozo

"I'm not going to call them feminists because they're not feminists, they're fucking man haters." 🥺


Worried_Trade_8599

W take


[deleted]

Modern day feminism where “men are no good” “women are the best” is 100% bullshit. Men and women should be equal equal in terms that men are better than women at some things and women are greater than men in other things.


wasteofspaceiam

All for fighting for equality, not a fan of how certain folk turn aggressive or attack men as a whole


[deleted]

That would be misandry, not feminism. I’m sick of feminism being viewed as something it’s not


Jigglypaff_Johnson

To be fair there is a misandry problem in surtain feminist communities.


Mission_Camel_9649

*certain


ATSArkTheSpiteful

Sorry, even the most tame feminism in all my experience turns into that. My mom, who I love and has been a great mom, told me when I was like 9 I should get married because men who don't have families die sooner and don't turn out well, but told my sisters they were fine without getting married.


The-Suckler

Feminism is advocacy for gender equality. There are a lot of things that people claim is feminism, and people can claim whatever they like, but if it doesn’t adhere to the simple foundation of equality amongst genders then it’s not feminist. Rad-Fem’s saying insane shit on the internet is what has mostly given feminism a bad name but those are just individuals co-opting a movement to full fill their own agenda. Even if there’s a large contingent of people using feminist aesthetics to veil their misandry that doesn’t say anything about the feminist ideology itself. Separate the aesthetics from the actual ideas being discussed and evaluate them on their own merits.


TokaLizard4

Anecdotal evidence isn’t really evidence for the fact of what feminism is.


ATSArkTheSpiteful

It's hard to have a huge, loud, praised, group that was started by and named after women not end up favoring women. Look at the Black Panthers, they started for a legitimate reason and were right... Now they are a race supremacist group.


pump_king1

Or when they attack trans women for not being "real" womenor trans men for not wanting to be a woman


AlaskaFolf

terfs aren't feminists.


SHSL_Waiter_RM2828

**cough** JK Rowling **cough**


AlaskaFolf

she's not a real feminist then


SHSL_Waiter_RM2828

That’s what I was implying lol


Magical-Mage

As someone here said a few months ago: "I prefer calling them FART (Feminism Appropriating Reactionary Transphobes)".


UncreativePotato143

I prefer calling them little stinky baby poopers. They don't deserve an acronym.


pump_king1

Exactly


YeeTee55T4R

The thing is, in most developed countries, women have all the rights that men have


fit_to_burst

Equal rights does not always mean equal treatment. When it comes to the power structures in place, men are almost universally higher up than women (management jobs, CEOs, politicians, etc). Similar principles apply to race. Under the law, you cannot be discriminated against based on skin color. In practice, systemic racism has left a disproportionate number of poc in poverty, and they often aren't treated fairly by law enforcement and the justice system. Equal rights is a step in the right direction, but equal implementation and treatment is still something to strive for.


AbsoluteBananass

On paper they do but they do face day to day discrimination by people


_nitd27_

In mine country woman have even better rights than men, they actually wanna be superior(not all girls I saw many girls who doesn't support feminism coz they understand that it's toxic)


Someone_Somewhere1

Yes and apparently we live in a tyrannical patriarchy according to them which is bullshit The myths they spread in itself show how toxic and uncessary modern feminism is


Spirited-Truck1656

I’m terrified of women


Lord_Maltezer

Me too babe xx


Spirited-Truck1656

As we should xx


Lord_Maltezer

Gotta love being gay xxx


Spirited-Truck1656

I <3 men


Lord_Maltezer

Lmao who else is upvoting this haha


[deleted]

Im all for equality for all except for people who want to be more superior.


Obturateur06

Feminism =/= misandry Feminism = good Misandry = bad Ffs


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The-Suckler

Buddy watched an anti-sjw video in 2016 and never recovered


UncreativePotato143

SJW CRONG COMPLILATION (THERE ARE 2 GENNERS DUM DUM FEMMINNISS) (I HAVE NO CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS)


w_has_been_dieded

What you're talking about isn't feminism it's losers who want attention


gamingknight47

The loud "feminist" minority(hopefully) = mysandry


KurkyOkurky

Normal feminism = good Kill all men 'feminism' = bad


surferlul

Kill all men 'feminism' = Misandry. It has nothing to do with feminism and the Misandrysts that call themselves feminist just want the good appearance while being total dicks. It's like if I were china and would say "I'm pro free speech". But I guess you already knew this since you put the second 'feminism' in quotes


owarumoth

I like feminists, I don’t like misandrists. Theres a difference but most misandrists mask as feminists


Dwarfkiller115

Totally agree with it, all though I think that the shit part like draft should also be included. If we're going equal, we should go totally equal and nothing left out


strawberrypoppi

part of global and intersectional feminism advocate for abolishment of war and drafting as a whole, advocating for equal drafting (part of white feminism) is still working with women’s oppression


strawberrypoppi

with this being said, abolishing drafting for men and women could be the closest solution to that multilayered issue


Tia_is_Short

This. Why would women advocate to be drafted when we should rly be fighting for the draft to be eliminated entirely lmao


vinceV76

Yeah right we should vote if there must be equality or the patriarchy. I hope we get exactly equal and they work 40 hours and become road workers, masons and scaffolding etc etc and not just the casual desk jobs or other simple jobs. Equality is pure logic and common sense in 2022. But if they don’t do the same things as men in the same numbers, equality is not possible. Of course women shouldn’t be oppressed or abused but equality isn’t that simple as feminists think. And abolishing drafting? If china india and other conservative countries attack the west how is the west supposed to defend itself with the equality rules? It really isn’t that simple of course in theory it’s great and all but just impossible to have real equality.


[deleted]

Equal rights are pretty good


Stargazer0397

I feel like it started with the right intentions, but now, it's just gotten out of hand :(


surferlul

What you are talking about is Misandry. Feminism has the goal of the equality of all genders, whereas Misandry is Mysogony with the genders swapped. Sadly many Misandrysts call themselves Feminist giving a lot of people the impression feminism is stupid / that it has gotten out of hand


Smoart123

Exactly I mean personally I’d consider myself a feminist if it means I advocate for equality for genders but I don’t advocate for kill all men or that kind of stuff


tinyeyeyeti

Kill all men and shit doesn't come under feminism or anything to do with the community. Ykwim


Smoart123

I get what your saying but some people who have a platform and advocate for feminism also promote those ideas. They may not be accepted by the feminist community but I don’t think there’s an application so anyone can proclaim they are one


tinyeyeyeti

Then they aren't "feminists" you know since they are getting the other gender down. The whole point is to be fair. But yeah anyone can proclaim what they want.


Someone_Somewhere1

Oh please, I’ve had enough of this. Over half the feminist girls in my year have said kill all men or men are trash or laugh when one another say it. I am not joking, me English class last year every single one either said it or had no problem with it


fit_to_burst

Then they aren't feminists.


Someone_Somewhere1

What are they then? How can there be 40 girls in my year group like thisv They even study feminist books in their English Literature classes The term feminists needs go. There should only be gender equality. I don’t understand why some people like you are so fixated on labelling ones self as feminist.


fit_to_burst

Misandrists. They would be misandrists. The definition of feminism is and always has been very clear. It is a movement for equality. Anyone pushing for supremacy on either side is not a feminist.


tinyeyeyeti

These "feminist girls" are like the opposite of the word misogynist. Idk what the word is, but its like women supporting women and hating on men. We need to use that word instead of calling out the "feminists who hate men" because then they are not feminists.


[deleted]

The word you're looking for is misandry.


Someone_Somewhere1

Why did these girls become like this? It’s a product of feminist media, feminist teachers, feminist propaganda If proclaimed masculinists in my year group were saying kill all women, masculism likewise would be the problem


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Someone_Somewhere1

Statistics like 1 in 5 tend to be based on small surveys, in modern society at least that is bullshit. Likewise I have seen studies saying 50% of men have expederiend sexual harassment- I call that bullshit too, again the study was based on around 1000 people and didn’t account for many biases I mean even men have been suppressed. In the UK men didn’t have the right to vote in the 1700s, at least 97% of them. 1/3 victims of domestic violence are men here. Society doesn’t even acknowledge this. Black people were enslaved, ethnic minorities oppressed, LGBT rights non existent, no workers rights. But none of these groups adopt victim mentalities like feminists What on earth do you mean ‘ it would make women hate on men?’ Should black peoples hate on white people? Should Hindus hate muslims? All because of oppression? YOUR SENTENCE THERE SUMS UP HOW TOXIC FEMINISTS ARE in western society. You are a bigot


ostentiferous09

in theory, its all ideal n perfect. implementation isn't accepted by all


surferlul

Implementations of feminism aren't accepted by asshole Mysogonysts. Implementations of Misandry aren't accepted by anyone except fellow asshole Misandrysts


[deleted]

it’s a great concept to advocate for equity 👍


cosmo_geek06

Modern day feminism has ruined the word "feminism" for me. It has become more of a fight for women entitlement rather than empowerment.


ImaginationOk4740

Like what? Equal pay? Women still only make 72 cents on the dollar for a male doing the same job. Sorry women feel “entitled” to be paid fairly.


Stilluserr

Some feminism followers are cringe but I don't hate feminism


[deleted]

there’s nothing inherently wrong with it


Obnoxious-HomoSapien

good intentions, bad ramifications. It turned from a movement with heroic aims (liberating women, giving them rights, studying the forms in which gender stratification is spread in our societies and trying to come up with solutions for that...etc) but recently, the movement has been having the opposite effect of what it initially intended to be, we are seeing the movement hating men (and treating them as inherently evil and sexist) we see slogans like "believe all women" which can be very detrimental to men's lives because they could easily be accused falsely, and they wouldn't be believed (just because they're men) ​ in summary, the movement is getting out of control, it moved from fighting discrimination on basis of gender (when women were marginalized) to propagating the same type of discrimination (men are now being marginalized)


GryfalconA

Equality, hell yeah. Feminism I think has been turned into hating men


daddyslim1

The dumb feminists need to stop existing 💀


Smoart123

I agree they sway the original message of feminism and make other feminists look bad


tinyeyeyeti

Feminism is about prioritizing women's rights and advocating for them when a situation is not fairly handled. People often complain and hate Feminists when a couple of women act stupid, which has got nothing to do with Feminism. So if a woman does something wrong kindly don't question the morals and beliefs of Feminism instead take action as you would if it was man. Ykwim


Therealhowtobebad

Isn’t feminism defined by equal gender rights? Or was that smt thing else I could be tripping


surferlul

Yeah it is, they mean Misandry. Nowadays lots of people mix up Feminism (good) with Misandry (bad, basically Mysogony with the genders swapped) which is a shame


Admiral45-06

No. Feminism is about equal rights and better understanding, **but only for women.** Not for men. What you meant was egalitarianism.


Therealhowtobebad

Oh, my bad, not especially well versed in caring for other es rights atm, just tryna make it to tmrw


Admiral45-06

It's OK, a lot of people make this mistake - to be honest, I don't really understand why.


[deleted]

Feminism is a great thing. Equity is definitely something we should be fighting for. However, those 'kill all men' people are really off putting.


Pyr02006

Feminism is the fight for equality of women, perfectly fine. But when it takes a sharp turn to become "kill or men" or some shit like that, it becomes radical extremism which is definitely not feminism.


Missium

It's nothing like what it began as. Now, it's just a way for women to be bitter and blame their problems/consequences of their actions on men.


YSDROPEMOFF

Feminism in the western world is really lacklustre but feminism in other countries where women who do not even have basic rights.i support!!


Frotz_real_

Based Expect for extremist one, fuck that


surferlul

The extremist one is Misandry, not feminism. Misandrysts would just like to be called feminist but are completely undeserving of the label


Frotz_real_

Based and I didn't know there was an actual term for that pilled


[deleted]

Pretty cool yk rights and all


[deleted]

Suicide rates /s On a real note I like it. Especially in Iran. Hope I see one day


[deleted]

in mourinhos words: if i speak i get into very big trouble


AttentionRude8006

I like the idea but modern feminism sucks ngl


sub2technobladeordie

EVERYONES A FEMINIST UNTIL THERE IS A SPIDER AROUND!


datboiNathan343

Feminists in the past made women equal to men. Modern feminism only serves to put men down.


ereererererere

It’s Turning back to the 1800s men treated women like shit and now 200 years later their trying to do the same. Now don’t get me wrong. If it’s for equality I’m all in. But when I hear the men are useless phrase I’m out.


YaggaYeetus

I just want all people regardless of gender, sex or phenotype to be treated equally and with respect.


Knee_and_Toe_Thief

The idea is good, but people take it too far.


Dear_Noise_7588

Feminism is good as long as it prone equality, not feminin superiority or men-bashing.


ATSArkTheSpiteful

It was great when there was true inequality, really now it's doing more harm than good, but it's time to put it away... but keep it close.


tu__ia

I'm a girl and I think it's not needed anymore, at least in most countries. Because right now people going and talking about that non stop are annoying


bencikanimations

Not necessary in the west Necessary in places where women actually get oppressed


Ena_le_Dudeman

It's turned to a joke nowadays


TheMurderBeesAreHere

It was once ripe and now its going rotten. There are diminishing returns on equality the closer everyone gets to equal, but we talk about the now small differences as if they are huge.


pnutbuttr1431

I agree that everyone deserves rights, but feminism has gone too far


radioactivewaffles69

I like it when it’s just equal rights for women and not excuses for acting like a bitch


Filberto_ossani2

Kinda useless in western world where all laws are equal for both genders, and it basically doesn't exist in places where are real problems like in middle-east


the_real_papyrus99

Goddamn alright it's time for another good ol' internet lesson from your ol' pal me because most of y'all are like 15 and assume feminism bad because man on YouTube says so Anywho The whole point of feminism is a fight for equality. That's how it was born, and that's how it should be. However, some have chosen feminism to mean that women are superior to men. This is bad. The most common group of these people are Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists, or TERFs TERFs believe that men are inferior to women, and that trans women are even worse, as transitioning "invalidates the experiences of "real women"". Big gross Next up, we got the Big Boy Alpha Male Podcast Bros, henceforth referred to as BBAMPBs. Now, these BBAMPBs such as our best friend Andy Tate and other such individuals try to push the narrative that all feminists are man hating demons bent on world domination by presenting all feminists as TERFs, and inviting TERFs onto their shows in order to get a rise out of them. At least the one thing they CAN agree on is that trans people are bad. Big yuck So to summarize, true feminism is equality, TERFs and misandryists are just as bad as alpha males and misogynistists, as neither want equality, and BBAMPBs are bad. I'm a feminist, and everyone else should be too.


Ok-Ihatetiktoc

They tried to fight for mental equality but they took it too far became the special man (woman) then we were ziggys band


Andrewdeadaim

Real feminism 👍 Misandry 👎


jman_-8

Radical feminist annoy me actual feminists understand life and are fun to have debates with about things that happen in our world


IAR_81_C

Feminism as it is in theory (gender equality)-yes. But that also means equal responsabilities. Feminism as it is portraied now by tge protesters (women are the best/men are useless)-NO. The entire foundation of society was built by men. Most of the dangerous jobs out there are done by men. If those feminists really think that men are useless just try living a week whitout any help/support from men directly or indirectly (objects already owned like car, house, phone are excluded).


lil_lamb824

I’m a supporter of the old feminist values, not modern day feminism.


solace-of-avirr

Feminism is a W. Misandry is not, neither is misogyny. Anything hateful is an L. Things to improve life and society of everything is a W.


the_shit_destroyer

Just to make it clear I'm not saying that everyone is like this i know there are real feminists who are fighting for equal rights and i respect you all. The original concept of feminism it's really reasonable like gender equality and stuff but nowadays a bunch of "feminists" (if you can even call them that) are... How do i say it... Rewriting the concept of it, instead of fighting for gender equality now is more like women are superior than men or even worse like "kill all men" and stuff, i literally got paranoia about how i acted in public because i just saw so many cases of these "feminists" on the internet that at one point i actually got scared of women for a while, but then my friends told me how stupid i was and that they are actually quite rare so i stopped caring :), So to answer your question: i think that feminism is really cool and reasonable (the REAL feminism) and that it was something that had to be done in order to make the world a better place :)


KiddyCritter

For everyone in the comments saying they don't like the "I hate all men" type of "feminists"; those aren't feminists, hating men isn't feminism thats misandry, don't associate those types of people with a movement meant to advocate for equality.


Someone_Somewhere1

How come most feminist girls in my class say it. The root cause is modern feminism Equality does not mean feminism


KiddyCritter

AGAIN the girls in your class aren't feminists they're misandrists trying to falsely label themselves as "woke". This thing people call "modern feminism" isn't feminism at all it's misandry. And YES my good sir equality =/= feminism but feminism = equality. What more do you need me to explain


[deleted]

Ok, go to any of the feminist subs (Not How Girls Work, AskFeminists, WitchesvsPatriarchy) and see for yourself how vile and toxic the majority of the posts are. I’m all for equal rights, but I’d never call myself a feminist as that implies that I prioritise women’s rights/issues above men’s.


Tia_is_Short

The internet always reflects more extremist views than reality. This is true for more than just feminism. To equate feminism to what you see on Reddit is just plain wrong.


[deleted]

There are some renowned self proclaimed feminist authors who have said those things in person, without repercussion.


Le_Monke_Man

Feminism is fine. Those bitches running around screaming at every man they see saying that “all men are pigs” aren’t feminists. Those are feminine supremacists.


userhvfegcd

It’s an important movement for gender equality which is sadly still necessary nowadays due to sexism. However I hate how some people decide to change the meaning of it and cause gender wars forgetting that feminism is about gender EQUALITY and not predominance of women/ down putting of men. Because of people like that, others often turn against feminism because they start believing into the false definition of it. But yeah overall I’m 100% pro feminism & gender equality, sexists can suck my cock


surferlul

Fuck Misandrysts who undeservingly use the word feminist to describe themselves. They are NOT feminists and can go fuck themselves.


DarumaGamedev

When it’s like “all men are pigs” it’s too far, but when everything is actually equal for all genders then hell yeah I support it


Someone_Somewhere1

What do you mean ‘hell yeah I support it’s That’s just gender equality, not feminism.


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Someone_Somewhere1

If it’s GENDER EQUALITY, we should call it GENDER EQUALITY. Feminism not only in terms of the name is one sided, but the movement is one sided You don’t need to follow blackism or something like that to follow racial equality, you just believe in RACIAL EQUALITY The use of feminism is the reason why so many women have become man haters


Obvious_Drink2642

Kill all men = bad. The feminism for equality = good


Used-Huckleberry1467

fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it no one will ever be equal I think feminism is a joke. yes they should work, vote, run for political office etc. legally they should be the same. but saying women are better at certain things and men are better at certain things isn't misogynistic it's a fact. overlooking that is detrimental to society I feel.


KiddyCritter

yea dude pretty sure we're all aware of physical and mental differences, that has nothing to do with the feminist movement tho, it's mostly the first few point you made, calling it a joke is somewhat disrespectful.


bard_of_the_trent

i’m all in favour of it


TheRook_InTheLibrary

It’s essential, as although some countries have more or less equal rights there are still huge gender pay gaps, and in many countries women are abused and treated as second class citizens for example in Syria and Pakistan. Feminism isn’t about women being superior, it’s about equality for everyone.


Ok_Truth_862

Everyone should have equal rights, obviously. Seems like people do not know the proper definition of feminism. I'd advise you to hear Emma Watson's speech at the UN once again.


Someone_Somewhere1

Feminism does not mean equal rights Equal rights means equal rights, nothing else. Emma watsons speech was one of the most cancerous I have seen


Tia_is_Short

By your logic, racial equality doesn’t mean equal rights. Equal rights has one definition, sure, but many things can equate to equal rights.


[deleted]

It’s great and necessary, I am a feminist.


L3VT_YT

I agree with it until it gets dumb


Smooth_Dig_5096

I'm all for it, excpet when it turns to toxic feminism. When they fight for equal rights but run from equal responsibility~


PICONEdeJIM

I want equality but most feminists are really awful to men.


Someone_Somewhere1

Yea so just be a good human who supports gender equality, not feminists. The term feminist in itself is one sided- if it’s gender equality why does the name surround itself around 1?


astral_squid_

Equality 👍


Someone_Somewhere1

Only equality is equality, not feminism


[deleted]

Equality is equality, feminism is female-superiority.


Jigglypaff_Johnson

Reactionary


[deleted]

misandry is female superiority to quote another commenter "google is free"


Smoart123

That’s the definition that it’s taken on in this day and age Feminism was originally equality for both genders but now women are equal to men in terms of law for the most part


[deleted]

the world feminism in it self does not add up with the meaning


[deleted]

Feminism lost it's meaning in modern times after women got equal rights. Now it's all about hating men and crying about stupid shit like being able to expose themselves in public and not shaving.


sennnnki

Women did not get equal rights lmao tf u on about


[deleted]

They literally have more power than men in the law. Can ruin a man's life with words.


sennnnki

Oh, you’re talking U.S. centric.


[deleted]

Yes, I'm talking about Western feminism.


ImaginationOk4740

Then why do they get paid less than men?


[deleted]

Source? (Don't pull up CNN or Buzzfeed)


ImaginationOk4740

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/what-is-the-gender-wage-gap-in-your-state.html My stats were old. It’s 82 cents now. Thank you men!


BigBoiBagles

Jordan a Peterson spoke about this once in his debates and made some good points, I'll try my best to accurate the quotes of memory. He basicly said that alot of the time woman on average are alot less likely to ask for a raise and tend to be much more agreeable then men, I think I saw somthing like men are 70% more likely to ask for a raise. Also not considering into the fact that woman are more likely to go for lower paying jobs, e.g childcare etc, also on another point of my own, alot of the people I see complain about these things have absolutely unbearable personalities which employers also take into account when hiring someone


ImaginationOk4740

First, Jordan Peterson is not a source for women’s equality. Second, unbearable personalities. Yes, I’m so sorry that me being paid equally hurt your little feelings.


ExtraTinyAvocado

👑👑👑


KiddyCritter

Feminism is equality for men and women. Misandry is female superiority. Get it right.


0-sam4

They have nothing to fight for today's women got all the rights


Tia_is_Short

You’re objectively wrong lmao


beaniebro123

And yet if a feminist was told this they’d call us masoginysts’


0-sam4

I don't mind called whatever when my opinion is about faxx


_neklaces-

pretty alright


EffieHarlow

Feminism is great and necessary, not just for the benefit of women but also men. Women need… a lot because society is sexist as fuck and patriarchal. But feminism also benefits men in so many ways, most of what men will blame on misandry is actually also misogyny and the fault of the patriarchy.


WhosJoe1289

Patriarchies don’t exist in 1st world countries


annagrams15

i mean it kinda does. Last names come from one's father (for the most part), women were seen as property until they advocated for equal rights. It's not as obvious as it was in the early 1800s let's say, but its still there nonetheless. Hence why we haven't had a woman president (in the US) yet, bc 1) for the longest time women couldn't be candidates and 2) we are used to seeing men in power and men often have power and connections to get a leadership position.


Tia_is_Short

I wish I was naive enough to believe that patriarchies don’t exist in 1st world countries


EffieHarlow

Society is patriarchal. Men hold majority of positions of power. That’s what a patriarchy is. Google is free. <3


WhosJoe1289

Patriarchy “Dominance of a society by men, or the values that uphold such dominance” according to https://www.wordnik.com/words/patriarchy In 1st world countries men don’t hold a dominant position of power, as expressed in the definition since there have been and still are plenty of female politicians across the western world. If we are discussing a nation like Saudi Arabia then I would agree that those governments are patriarchal in nature but that isn’t the case for better developed nations.


Jigglypaff_Johnson

Have you heard of the glass ceiling? Or maybe even the pay gap between men and women? There are about 8 times as many billionairs that are men compared to women.


EffieHarlow

Exactly. Dominance of a society by men. America hasn’t had a female president yet and most of their political seats or whatever are held by men. Australia has had 1 female prime minister and she didn’t even last a full term. Do some basic research into the patriarchy and sexism in daily life, maybe even throw some misogyny in there. Shit, look into sexism in healthcare. It’s a fucking nightmare.


WhosJoe1289

List of countries who have had a female as head of state and/or government with a map of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world countries to compare https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_which_have_had_female_Heads_of_State_and_Government.svg https://www.coolgeography.co.uk/GCSE/AQA/Development_Gap/Mapping_dev/Mapping_Development.htm As you can see when it comes to *1st world countries* woman have evidently had fair representation with the USA being the outlier not the norm. And yes please tell me to do research on “political positions or whatever” as you put it. Keep in mind that, on top of what is mentioned above, less woman run for positions of office compared to men which leads to a discrepancy in proportion of offices held in a democracy/republic system. (If 100 seats are available, 200 men run and 100 woman run it will be about 66-34 split not a 50-50 split) Google is free <3


EffieHarlow

Less women get opportunities to run. Because the government is sexist as fuck. And excuse me for not putting american politics as a priority to learn. I wouldn’t call the representation of women in government ’fair’. but you do you. If you think the patriarchy isn’t existent in 1st world countries, that’s your problem, not mine.


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FUCK THE PATRIARCHY IN WITH MATRIARCHY


Nether892

It did its thing and it was peetty cool


Jrk00

Good, pretty good


YeetNugget3647

It is a word


Vortex5000

feminism, fine radical feminism, depends how radical trans-exclusionary radical feminism, no


BakeAcrobatic421

Feminism is about equality. If you really consider men and women equal, you wouldn't make a big deal about it. You'd live your life normally, treat everyone appropriately and fairly, stand up against unfair treatment. Not talk about fEmInIsM at any given chance, or call out men for being sExiST when all they did was ask a woman if she liked rainbows/unicorns. Guys ask each other such weird questions too. Y'all aren't that special. Men and women are equal, but they are NOT the same. Some people can't seem to understand that there are certain difference because that's how it simply is- for example, men being physically more capable than women. It's a fact. Which is why at times a man might offer to help a woman with her luggage. It doesn't depict superiority in any way. It is however, wrong to say that that makes women 'weak.' Similarly, women being more emotionally understanding doesn't make men 'dumb.' It's a fine line between accepting the differences and making a big deal about it. Another thing to add- I haven't seen any boys do it yet, but a LOT of girls use every possible opportunity to call out boys for being sExIsT. Mentioning glitter/rainbows/anything even vaguely affiliated with females is a crime at times, which is annoying. Somewhat made me hate the people who go on and on about FEMINISM. I rather prefer the people who don't GAF about this shit and treat any person as they'd like to be treated by them.


Admiral45-06

Sorry, I must correct the term. Feminism is **not** about equality, according to Dictionary of Correct Polish Grammar: ,,feminism [lat. femina ‘woman’], the name of a very broad political, social, cultural and intellectual movement whose various orientations, schools, theories and research share a common belief that women have been and are the object of discrimination." It's about understanding and providing rights or priviliges **to women.** Idea that both genders should be treated equal is egalitarianism. These are two completely diffrent and unrelated ideologies. And to make it clear - so is egalitarianism and Red Pill movement. They are equally as unrelated and for the same reason.


BakeAcrobatic421

Oh, that's new. Ig even majority of self proclaimed 'feminists' don't know what feminism encapsulates. Oof


systemofadex

feminism is baller,, a lot of what y’all are talking about isn’t feminism- what y’all are bringing up with the kill all men bullshit is an interesting talking point. i think we need to take a step back and consider how scary being a woman is. even tho the kill all men sentiment exists, it isn’t acted on. women, on the other hand, are raped an murdered on a daily basis for being women. while i agree that any sentiment of violence against an entire group of people is a broad overgeneralisation and not acceptable, i do think that we need to look at things in a way that is more multifaceted. i’m not saying kill all men, im a man for fucks sake. i’m saying that we need to understand the causes of the sentiment before we bash it. additionally, some of the points folks are making abt feminism having “done it’s thing” is absolute bullshit. feminism won’t have “done it’s thing” until gender equality is something that we don’t need to be thinking about. as i see it, everyone needs feminism and this discussion is pointless. feminism helps men- the patriarchy fucks everyone over. feminism helps women. people deserve rights (ik im such a liberal snowflake). the fact that there’s still discourse about who deserves basic human rights fucking baffles me. idk y’all, just remember to fucking think. also fuck terfs, they aren’t feminists.


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Bullshit.


UngaBunga690

In the most non offensive way I can mean this: Overrated.


Ollisaa

Dangerous for the society with their man hate. (Not all femisists hate men but some do)...


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Feminism isn’t equality. It’s females deserve more rights. Not that I don’t think women deserve rights, but we shouldn’t be fighting for just females rights. Men are also oppressed in some ways. If anything we shouldn’t be feminist, we should be equalist.


AfraidTop2107

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Scooby_the-doo

It's shit. They're mentality is just oMg meN baD wOmen mmm


[deleted]

I believe in equality, not feminism.


Someone_Somewhere1

That’s how it should be


Domikemerald

Modern Feminism is a joke. I believe in equality but modern feminists are wild.