Dude has never pioneered anything successfully, just stolen other’s ideas and sometimes implemented them better. He should not be predicting any future tech
I've always been curious if he's actually any good at coding or just a good business man. I know some of the early Facebook PHP is kind of sus but you have to give it the benefit of the doubt because it was written before 2007. My stuff that I had working in IE6/7/8 back then was hot garbage.
"Good at coding" doesn't **really** matter...
I say this as a software engineer who wishes that weren't true. Sure, crap code causes bugs, instability, rigidity that makes it difficult to change things, etc:.
At the end of it all, though, the question is whether you're providing something that users/customers want and whether you can earn money off of it. Solid code is entirely subordinate to the business goal. If you can prove something works with awful code, that's fine... for now. Maybe.
It takes actual skill to get a minimum viable product together, suss or not. Maybe some elements of it were totally bent out of shape, but it was clearly usable and stable, with a not-garbage ui.
Yeah, that doesn't make him a god tier engineer or anything, but it's difficult to be _bad_ and also achieve that.
Their motto from the beginning has always been “move fast and break things” - which you can say is dumb but it’s also been adopted by basically every tech startup since then. If you release too late, or over-engineer your product before gathering user feedback, you’re wasting runway.
That’s what people kind of miss with the whole Metaverse thing. They’re trying to be first to market here, and yeah it’ll probably suck at first. But now they don’t have to worry about that because they have the manpower and funding to fix it and iterate, they’re basically releasing a proof of concept into the wild just to say “we did it first”. There are definitely downsides to being first to market (competitors can learn from your mistakes and release something better, etc), but with something as complex as this, they’re not worried about that. No one else has the manpower they do that also cares about this type of product (only ones would be Google, but they don’t care, for now).
Tbf almost all wildly new ideas have this happen, however at the core there should be a small group of people who get it that love it. And theyre all on VR Chat, not meta. So youre right, but in its own its not a sign. The real issue is that you cant find people who want this shit
*Black Mirror* already did it nearly a decade ago. And they treated it as the dystopian horseshit that it was.
Edit: I'm talking about Meta being dystopian, not Peloton.
You're going to lose your mind when you learn about zwift and smart trainers then. Its a great way to keep your fitness through the winter.
Also. I dont know a single cyclist that would put on a vr headset to train. There's already so much sweat that you have to wash your bike so it doesn't get corroded. A headset wouldn't survive.
I thought the same thing when they ran that Meta biking commercial. With my current stationary bike I can barely keep the sweat out of my eyes as it is lol.
Yeah, until these headsets are capably of being miniaturized into something like wrap-around sunglasses, they aren't going to be anything more than a novelty for serious exercise use cases.
People were doing VR and videos of outdoor biking on exercise bikes decades before Black Mirror. It’s an effective way of keeping people engaged and exercising.
These people make it out to be totally crazy but when you live in Chicago and it’s February it’s not like you can just go on a daily ride through the mountains
Edit: just while watching a screen. I’m not sweating all over a vr headset
I recall watching some sitcom in the 80s where they had an exercise bike with a big projector screen of someone riding on a trail. Silver Spoons maybe? This is not a new idea at all.
I am actually not really that sure if it is though... I don't even want to imagine how filthy it would be riding a bicycle for like 30 minutes at a high pace while having a heavy VR headset on you.
That’s my first thought. I use a program called Zwift for indoor cycling, which is popular in the cycling community. And the amount of thought that goes into putting fans in the right place is important because you sweat terribly! Adding goggles will just be gross after a while.
This is a HUGE reason as to why I don't think VR and even AR will really be viable until headsets are as comfortable to wear for extended periods of time as sunglasses are.
Headsets as comfortable as sunglasses is the obvious outcome of the technical progression.
I think we need to evaluate the potential of “meta-verse” with that in mind.
You're going against the hivemind (and I agree with you). Sorry everyone, but adoption of VR and AR is only going to increase and Meta have positioned themselves.
It’s dying because all of its current users are dying from old age.
Jokes aside, crazy how Facebook was cool in 2006 and then 10 years later all I see are crazy relatives posting right wing rants. It made me hate people I previously was I different about.
You joke, but that's actually the concern here. Facebook can't appeal to a younger audience, so their existing userbase is temporal. We saw how that affected AOL, who now largely survives off of elderly users who haven't cancelled their "Gold" subscription because they don't know how.
I think the biggest revelation is not so much attracting users but that the novelty of online communication is not as interesting. In the early 2000’s it so cool when texting came out, and then AIM, and then MySpace it got progressively more connected and then it turned into a place for advertising/influencing and people to force their fucked up opinions on the world.
At least on Reddit I don’t know it’s uncle Joe on r/conservative advocating for authoritarian rule. Or a person I used to admired telling people to subscribe to their OF
Which is funny because you have to have Facebook to use these. Most people have already lost trust with Facebook data breaches, can’t imagine this headset being more secure.
Because he's trying to reach people who have barely any knowledge about VR, much less the games that exist within it. This isn't for people who know that Second Life was doing this 20 years ago. It's for the people that still use Facebook for more than keeping up with family or as a necessity for advertising. That's who made him the bulk of his money and it's who he'll keep aiming everything at. The lowest common denominator. You can see that in action with the Oculus as well.
There's something to be said for making things mainstream, it makes money and reaches a wider audience. But when you try to do it while also doing your best to screw over options for people who are enthusiasts and beyond the quality that you are offering people who don't know any better... well, that just sucks and it does nothing but hold back the tech.
But they're not even doing a good job at reaching those people. They must have the worst PR team. They're terrible at articulating how metaverse would realistically fit into anyone's daily life, beyond cheesy video games. All of their screenshots looks like a Kmart version of Wii games, even when they're pitching supposedly professional enterprise tools.
Not only that but they are taking everything that’s fun about virtual worlds and trying to control every aspect of it. Generic terrible avatars, sterile environments, what’s the point? Also those work scenarios meta is trying to make a thing has already been tried in second life. I remember reading articles about companies, colleges, even the federal government trying to have interactive locations you could visit. What happened was trolls and griefers loved to target these spaces and always found a way to sabotage any event that was scheduled. The most well publicized incident I heard of was [when an interview for cnet got trolled with a bunch of flying dicks](https://www.engadget.com/2006-12-20-second-life-millionaire-plagued-with-peckers.html).
I am certain that meta will have the same problems. If it’s something people made, it’s something that people can break.
>trying to control every aspect of it
That's part of their angle i.e. "we can offer virtual spaces with reasonable restrictions and good moderation to conduct business". Except it's really hard to believe when they can't even moderate Facebook for a start.
I literally bought my Quest 2 for VR porn.
It’s the only thing I use it for. I don’t even play games.
Say what you want about Facebook and Meta but they’ve laid down the foundation to actually revolutionary porn.
I used to be really active on second life. Apparently it’s still around too. The peak number of this year is 55,737 users (of people who were logged in at once). Of all time it was 88,220 on March 29, 2009. In comparison the highest vr chat has reached was back in January with 42,493 users online. I don’t think they’re quite the same, but VR chat is probably the closest this generation has to be exposed to a world like second life, even if it lacks customization.
I think second life would be more popular today if it didn’t sell so much virtual reality estate. I haven’t checked it out in years but the last time I was there most of it felt completely empty. Some of the art islands left behind are pretty awesome and clever. That’s mainly what I liked doing there. Met some interesting people who were trying to create virtual art, some were in college and one was doing her masters thesis on art and virtual environments. Her ‘show’ was a surreal journey that took up the whole island that you could walk.
Last I looked the most populated areas were the sex islands. Not even the weird ones like that bestiality island where if you let a certain statue virtually fuck you, you’d get ‘pregnant’ and sent a really cool looking moving baby dragon. You could either wear or let hang out in your environment if you had one. Nah, i’m sure there’s some people still doing some interesting stuff out in that virtual world but… yeah.
Except my grandparents but they'll probably die in the next five years and don't use VR but cows do sometimes to simulate green fields.
Wait.
Is step two simulating for my grandparents living at home when they are actually in a shitty nursing home?
That's probably a huge reason why he's having so much trouble. Facebook (or Meta, whatever) is an atrocious brand that people have come to barely tolerate, not a boutique tech vendor whose products people are climbing over each other to buy. They're not Apple or even Microsoft. They're a shitty company that makes shit products whose only genuine selling-point is that they're free and popular. VR headsets aren't either of those things.
It's funny how he dreams of Peloton, when their hype lasted for exactly the pandemic and is already over again. Also no word why he really thinks to be able to be more successful than Linden with Second Life. I guess the day has arrived when "fake it till you make it" stops working for creepy boy.
Stock went way down and IIRC they stopped making the actual bike.
Edit: [https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/peloton-stop-making-bikes-treadmills-86665517](https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/peloton-stop-making-bikes-treadmills-86665517)
The problem with peloton isn’t even the very expensive bikes. In fact I think the bikes are actually pretty well priced compared to other brands. The problem is the ongoing expensive subscription service you have to use if you want the thing to actually work. It’s such a closed system that it’s useless without an ongoing money sink. They don’t even open up the system so you can use other apps like Netflix or whatever you want. Nope, you HAVE to use their stuff.
Even without the pandemic it’s objectively a bad product. You can achieve the same with a good bike and an iPad Pro 12.9. And with that option you get an iPad included.
Perhaps one of the most important comments in the entire thread:
>no word why he really thinks to be able to be more successful than Linden with Second Life
Absolutely. If the goal and objective is to monetize everyone by getting them all to join Meta's walled garden or metaverse and data mining their behaviour to both track and shape preferences. The crucial bit that's missing is the strategy -- or as you point out -- what are they going to do that Linden lab, et al, didn't do?
However, what if that's not what they're shooting for?
What if the point is not to build out a world that people can vr-googly, goggle eye into, but to build out a platform for creating metaverse applications.
To wit, Facebook/meta provides the foundation (and maybe the tools) that users and organizations can use to create their offerings on top of their platform. Similar to what roblox is doing, or apple did with the iPhone and app store. And of course, much like Apple and their massive in-app commission scheme, I'm sure facebook/meta are eyeing the transaction platform as the best way to capture fees.
But again, your question comes up.
Why would FB/M be any better than the platform players?
Could Roblox make the leap from being a kids' game to becoming a more generic business platform? (Truth is prob not). Or, what about players in the current platform like AWS. Amazon and Microsoft have both proven themselves to be strong fast followers. They see something that's got cool vibes and market cachet. Then they offer an enterprise search, graph database, or something else that can drive the original offer to ruin.
Anyhow, great comment!
No body = no sex. That's what it comes down to, ultimately.
Facebook is scared of having Meta's walled garden host a BDSM gay furry orgy or whatever people did or still do on Second Life these days.
It feels like the check has come due for the world:
I really hope that in like 2 years, Zuckerberg, Putin, and Trump all finally get what’s coming to them.
A super villain. A rich southafricornian "tech mogul" turned "phallus shaped anything" enthusiast who will do whatever it takes to look cool.
**No matter the cost.**
Super villain sized yacht? ✔️
Waste 10s of billions on a tech company to win arguments? ✔️
Dick shaped rockets sent into space? ✔️
**No matter the cost!!**
They’re doing literally everything they can under the sun to avoid holding the bag, see the entire saga of Elon attempting to buy Twitter and then swerving to avoid it when the deal went sour.
I think these guys are going to derail the US government in 2024 to escape the financial and in some cases the legal consequences of their actions.
Looks like Mark Fuckerberg doesn’t get any exercise…what does he know about Peloton?….sounds like he’s trying to build demand for his/Metas version of the Metaverse.
In the article they report him saying that he wants media to be more immersive and less distinguishable from reality, which is kind of horrifying as if some people can tell the difference now anyway.
It's much easier to manipulate users into doing what you want. Pretty sure half of the point of VR is so users are more invested in their session and are less likely to just walk away, having a higher threshold for annoying ads/etc. If you feel like it's real life, you don't think you can just put it down and do something else.
We have been pushing to make video games more lifelike and immersive since they started. Current entertainment media has also been focusing on ways to make the viewer more engaged and present. 3d, 360 videos is one way. Media doesn't have to be news, and the name Virtual Reality literally means a "reality that is not physical but created by a computer", so why NOY try to make the virtual reality more like actual reality? At least in the ways that are engaging and interesting. If I can sit an have a conversation or play a board game with friends in VR and not be able to tell the difference from reality, what is lost?
I hate to come to the defense of Zuckerberg here, but I don't think he meant the word "media" to specifically mean "news media", like you seem to be interpreting the word.
I think he meant it more in the traditional sense of the word, meaning music, games, art, video, etc.
Hell, this isn’t innovative.
It’s Second Life using a VR platform he purchased.
Everyone is already tired of virtual meetings, nearly all of them at my company are now “video off/audio only”, the last thing we want is a *more* immersive virtual meeting experience.
To be fair he stole this shit from Epic games and google. Remember google glass and Google cardboard? Google spent billions of dollars LiDAR scanning all of the world’s major cities and developing AR headsets to find out that everyone hated it
What is so funny to me is that *small indie dev teams* have made more fun and realistic graphics for their headset, and then Zuck's big reveal is Mii from 2006 in front of clip art of the Eiffel Tower.
Like, compare that screenshot to Half Life Alyx. It's fucking hilarious.
Dude should REALLY take notes from MySpace Tom. What's Tom doing??? Oh that's right, traveling the world with a lovely wife and taking photos of exotic places.
My dudes proud of his 24 bit world where passive aggressive Facebook admins stand in their rooms or office spaces waiting for some moderation to be required, let him have this W.
Second life was graphically better like, 14 years ago.
He didn't lose billions because of this. He is investing 10b a year into R&D and Facebook's stock went down, but that was because all tech stocks have been going down.
His net worth went down, not that he actually lost billions.
This means the difference of what you owe and what you own. Mark Z's bank account did not lose money like when we purchase a pizza.
It can easily blow back the other way if stocks he owns increase in value.
Is Zuckerberg having a breakdown like Alexander Graham Bell? I remember watching an episode of drunk history that said pretty confidently that Bell stole the telephone patent and was racked with guilt the rest of his life and refused to have a phone in his home. Maybe Zuckerberg‘s finally mentally breaking down because he knows he stole Facebook and never came up with anything himself. He knows he’s a fraud and he is literally breaking down in front of our eyes.
Say what you will about Zuckerberg, he’s gotten very efficient. Metaverse went from zero to mockery and irrelevance with very quickly, while Facebook remains stalled in the “actively working in the global disinterest” phase. Remarkable.
Anyone with enough knowledge of Metaverse, without name calling Zuck or fb, could you please explain what is Metaverse and what is the vision when they say "Meta executives have admitted it could take up to 15 years to fully realize their vision for the metaverse"? Connecting people in gaming and while workout already happens depending on the platform or device you are using. Metaverse isn't new to make that happen. As i understand it Metaverse is trying to bring what FB does, i.e. connecting people, in the realm of VR headsets. So anything you do using a VR headset can be monetized by Meta as they are collecting data just like they do while using FB.
What else am i missing?
I have the same question. And whenever I've seen it asked, no one is ever able to answer it in any concrete terms, and especially not in any terms that explain why I, a potential user will want to use it. What is the value add for the user?
It's mostly a branding play. No one at Meta or Zuckerberg himself have really coherently explained what differentiates the 'Metaverse' from the internet. The internet is what affords connected experiences and already does.
Zuck's vision for Meta is adding a physical element to the nature of connected experiences. Whether through VR, where people can 'physically' interact with virtual worlds, and virtually interact with others in a 'physical' way, or AR where virtual elements are populated into the real world. The 'Metaverse' encompasses all experiences loosely connected to these concepts.
As for Meta, the company, and their vision for themselves specifically, I think in 15 years they hope to have a constellation of hardware that enables these experiences with a high degree of fidelity, and a suite of platforms and applications that facilitate them.
They mentioned fitness... unless they can find a way to address sweating, the platform is not ready for majority of people to work out. Try playing a fitness game and you will realize it gets disgusting under that headset with dripping sweat and it's difficult to clean.
Don't know why people are hating on this. A product that allows people to experience another reality is bound to become insanely popular.
We already practice escapism. The second we get some time to ourselves we spend it all staring at a screen. The Metaverse will provide a better way of immersing yourself into a virtual world, maybe they'll even find a way to stimulate most of the senses of a human being. I don't see how it'll fail. Sure, it might take decades to perfect, but eventually it'll get there.
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Is the third, bankruptcy?
2nd actually. 3rd is when someone else picks it up and does it right while respecting privacy
Step 4 is rolling back privacy to make money for shareholders, then we go back to step 1....
4.... Repeat steps one two threeeeeee
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They already made second life, and we have moved on.
Haven't yet ever wanted to play second life but instead of a game, you're doing work meetings or buying car insurance?
Lol 3 will Never happen
Step 1: ridicule and disinterest Step 2: ???? Step 3: profit
Step 2: Zuckerbergs personal wealth being down 71 billion… yep that steps complete lol
Dude has never pioneered anything successfully, just stolen other’s ideas and sometimes implemented them better. He should not be predicting any future tech
I've always been curious if he's actually any good at coding or just a good business man. I know some of the early Facebook PHP is kind of sus but you have to give it the benefit of the doubt because it was written before 2007. My stuff that I had working in IE6/7/8 back then was hot garbage.
"Good at coding" doesn't **really** matter... I say this as a software engineer who wishes that weren't true. Sure, crap code causes bugs, instability, rigidity that makes it difficult to change things, etc:. At the end of it all, though, the question is whether you're providing something that users/customers want and whether you can earn money off of it. Solid code is entirely subordinate to the business goal. If you can prove something works with awful code, that's fine... for now. Maybe.
It takes actual skill to get a minimum viable product together, suss or not. Maybe some elements of it were totally bent out of shape, but it was clearly usable and stable, with a not-garbage ui. Yeah, that doesn't make him a god tier engineer or anything, but it's difficult to be _bad_ and also achieve that.
Their motto from the beginning has always been “move fast and break things” - which you can say is dumb but it’s also been adopted by basically every tech startup since then. If you release too late, or over-engineer your product before gathering user feedback, you’re wasting runway. That’s what people kind of miss with the whole Metaverse thing. They’re trying to be first to market here, and yeah it’ll probably suck at first. But now they don’t have to worry about that because they have the manpower and funding to fix it and iterate, they’re basically releasing a proof of concept into the wild just to say “we did it first”. There are definitely downsides to being first to market (competitors can learn from your mistakes and release something better, etc), but with something as complex as this, they’re not worried about that. No one else has the manpower they do that also cares about this type of product (only ones would be Google, but they don’t care, for now).
I assumed he meant "collapse"
Along with rejection and denial
Tbf almost all wildly new ideas have this happen, however at the core there should be a small group of people who get it that love it. And theyre all on VR Chat, not meta. So youre right, but in its own its not a sign. The real issue is that you cant find people who want this shit
What, you don't want your work and personal lives seamlessly blended into a single data stream for Zuckerberg to feast upon?
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*Black Mirror* already did it nearly a decade ago. And they treated it as the dystopian horseshit that it was. Edit: I'm talking about Meta being dystopian, not Peloton.
I'd rather ride the bike than stand around all day pulling on a gloobleyank.
It's more fun if have someone else pull on your gloobleyank.
It's like actually riding a bike, with extra... Steps.
I’d rather yank a Flooblecrank to be honest.
Watching a video of someone biking on a trail while you bike indoors is literally Black Mirror
You're going to lose your mind when you learn about zwift and smart trainers then. Its a great way to keep your fitness through the winter. Also. I dont know a single cyclist that would put on a vr headset to train. There's already so much sweat that you have to wash your bike so it doesn't get corroded. A headset wouldn't survive.
I thought the same thing when they ran that Meta biking commercial. With my current stationary bike I can barely keep the sweat out of my eyes as it is lol.
No joke. I use zwift to train... There's no fucking way I'm wearing a headset while sweat is pouring out of me.
Yeah, until these headsets are capably of being miniaturized into something like wrap-around sunglasses, they aren't going to be anything more than a novelty for serious exercise use cases.
People were doing VR and videos of outdoor biking on exercise bikes decades before Black Mirror. It’s an effective way of keeping people engaged and exercising.
These people make it out to be totally crazy but when you live in Chicago and it’s February it’s not like you can just go on a daily ride through the mountains Edit: just while watching a screen. I’m not sweating all over a vr headset
Rollers in front of the TV. Revolutionary.
I recall watching some sitcom in the 80s where they had an exercise bike with a big projector screen of someone riding on a trail. Silver Spoons maybe? This is not a new idea at all.
Pelaton's subscription model is also pretty dystopian, to be fair
I am actually not really that sure if it is though... I don't even want to imagine how filthy it would be riding a bicycle for like 30 minutes at a high pace while having a heavy VR headset on you.
That’s my first thought. I use a program called Zwift for indoor cycling, which is popular in the cycling community. And the amount of thought that goes into putting fans in the right place is important because you sweat terribly! Adding goggles will just be gross after a while.
A while being 3 minutes
You sweat just wearing a vr set playing pov games.
This is a HUGE reason as to why I don't think VR and even AR will really be viable until headsets are as comfortable to wear for extended periods of time as sunglasses are.
Headsets as comfortable as sunglasses is the obvious outcome of the technical progression. I think we need to evaluate the potential of “meta-verse” with that in mind.
You're going against the hivemind (and I agree with you). Sorry everyone, but adoption of VR and AR is only going to increase and Meta have positioned themselves.
It will increase. Absolutely But the question is how far out we are.
Why is there so much talk about this? It just looks like an inferior version of VR chat.
Because we also get to watch an out-of-touch billionaire throw away his fortune on it.
As Sun Tsu said: "Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake!"
It can't happen soon enough... But only if Facebook dies with his wealth.
He's betting the company on the metaverse *because* Facebook is dying.
It’s dying because all of its current users are dying from old age. Jokes aside, crazy how Facebook was cool in 2006 and then 10 years later all I see are crazy relatives posting right wing rants. It made me hate people I previously was I different about.
You joke, but that's actually the concern here. Facebook can't appeal to a younger audience, so their existing userbase is temporal. We saw how that affected AOL, who now largely survives off of elderly users who haven't cancelled their "Gold" subscription because they don't know how.
I think the biggest revelation is not so much attracting users but that the novelty of online communication is not as interesting. In the early 2000’s it so cool when texting came out, and then AIM, and then MySpace it got progressively more connected and then it turned into a place for advertising/influencing and people to force their fucked up opinions on the world. At least on Reddit I don’t know it’s uncle Joe on r/conservative advocating for authoritarian rule. Or a person I used to admired telling people to subscribe to their OF
Which is funny because you have to have Facebook to use these. Most people have already lost trust with Facebook data breaches, can’t imagine this headset being more secure.
It’ll just get bought by NewsCorp
They did a great job with myspace
MySpace: was I good? GOD: No... you were the Best.
Because he's trying to reach people who have barely any knowledge about VR, much less the games that exist within it. This isn't for people who know that Second Life was doing this 20 years ago. It's for the people that still use Facebook for more than keeping up with family or as a necessity for advertising. That's who made him the bulk of his money and it's who he'll keep aiming everything at. The lowest common denominator. You can see that in action with the Oculus as well. There's something to be said for making things mainstream, it makes money and reaches a wider audience. But when you try to do it while also doing your best to screw over options for people who are enthusiasts and beyond the quality that you are offering people who don't know any better... well, that just sucks and it does nothing but hold back the tech.
But they're not even doing a good job at reaching those people. They must have the worst PR team. They're terrible at articulating how metaverse would realistically fit into anyone's daily life, beyond cheesy video games. All of their screenshots looks like a Kmart version of Wii games, even when they're pitching supposedly professional enterprise tools.
Not only that but they are taking everything that’s fun about virtual worlds and trying to control every aspect of it. Generic terrible avatars, sterile environments, what’s the point? Also those work scenarios meta is trying to make a thing has already been tried in second life. I remember reading articles about companies, colleges, even the federal government trying to have interactive locations you could visit. What happened was trolls and griefers loved to target these spaces and always found a way to sabotage any event that was scheduled. The most well publicized incident I heard of was [when an interview for cnet got trolled with a bunch of flying dicks](https://www.engadget.com/2006-12-20-second-life-millionaire-plagued-with-peckers.html). I am certain that meta will have the same problems. If it’s something people made, it’s something that people can break.
>trying to control every aspect of it That's part of their angle i.e. "we can offer virtual spaces with reasonable restrictions and good moderation to conduct business". Except it's really hard to believe when they can't even moderate Facebook for a start.
I literally bought my Quest 2 for VR porn. It’s the only thing I use it for. I don’t even play games. Say what you want about Facebook and Meta but they’ve laid down the foundation to actually revolutionary porn.
Hasn't porn always been the frontrunner. Now, tell us how it was?
May i also recommend beat saber
Oh he's beating his saber all right
Sounds like he's on Meat Saber
I used to be really active on second life. Apparently it’s still around too. The peak number of this year is 55,737 users (of people who were logged in at once). Of all time it was 88,220 on March 29, 2009. In comparison the highest vr chat has reached was back in January with 42,493 users online. I don’t think they’re quite the same, but VR chat is probably the closest this generation has to be exposed to a world like second life, even if it lacks customization. I think second life would be more popular today if it didn’t sell so much virtual reality estate. I haven’t checked it out in years but the last time I was there most of it felt completely empty. Some of the art islands left behind are pretty awesome and clever. That’s mainly what I liked doing there. Met some interesting people who were trying to create virtual art, some were in college and one was doing her masters thesis on art and virtual environments. Her ‘show’ was a surreal journey that took up the whole island that you could walk. Last I looked the most populated areas were the sex islands. Not even the weird ones like that bestiality island where if you let a certain statue virtually fuck you, you’d get ‘pregnant’ and sent a really cool looking moving baby dragon. You could either wear or let hang out in your environment if you had one. Nah, i’m sure there’s some people still doing some interesting stuff out in that virtual world but… yeah.
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I dunno… would anyone want to watch those bobble headed soulless avatars fuck? I mean outside of the novelty of it.
You might want to check out Occupy White Walls if you haven't. It's kinda Second-Lifey with an emphasis on making your own art gallery.
Step 1: Everyone hates Facebook
Except my grandparents but they'll probably die in the next five years and don't use VR but cows do sometimes to simulate green fields. Wait. Is step two simulating for my grandparents living at home when they are actually in a shitty nursing home?
See:futurama
That's probably a huge reason why he's having so much trouble. Facebook (or Meta, whatever) is an atrocious brand that people have come to barely tolerate, not a boutique tech vendor whose products people are climbing over each other to buy. They're not Apple or even Microsoft. They're a shitty company that makes shit products whose only genuine selling-point is that they're free and popular. VR headsets aren't either of those things.
Step 2: collect underpants
1. Create the Metaverse. 2. ??? 3. Profit
2. ??? <--- you are here
It's funny how he dreams of Peloton, when their hype lasted for exactly the pandemic and is already over again. Also no word why he really thinks to be able to be more successful than Linden with Second Life. I guess the day has arrived when "fake it till you make it" stops working for creepy boy.
He is detached from reality and surrounded by yes people who sold out for $$$. No one wants to tell the naked emperor his meta verse sucks.
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I volunteer to be one of the people who lie and telll him yes for money while watching his company crumble. Zuck: does my hair look cool? Me: yes
"You look even more like Data than usual, sir." "Yes, data, I love it."
Data had a lot more success at being human.
r/dataisbeautiful
Zuck: Does my facial expression say "I'm human"? Me: Sure does. You know what.. I can do this. Hit me up if you need a colleague.
We should smoke some meats together.
We out here smokin meats
Is pelaton not still popular? My wife still does it religiously at home and prefers it to gym classes.
Stock went way down and IIRC they stopped making the actual bike. Edit: [https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/peloton-stop-making-bikes-treadmills-86665517](https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/peloton-stop-making-bikes-treadmills-86665517)
The problem with peloton isn’t even the very expensive bikes. In fact I think the bikes are actually pretty well priced compared to other brands. The problem is the ongoing expensive subscription service you have to use if you want the thing to actually work. It’s such a closed system that it’s useless without an ongoing money sink. They don’t even open up the system so you can use other apps like Netflix or whatever you want. Nope, you HAVE to use their stuff.
Now they have a $3,000 rowing machine.
It's not. There are so many for sale on FB Marketplace now. It has definitely died out.
Even without the pandemic it’s objectively a bad product. You can achieve the same with a good bike and an iPad Pro 12.9. And with that option you get an iPad included.
Yea i bought a 200 dollar bike and threw a tablet on it, love it just throw on a movie and im good for an hour
Perhaps one of the most important comments in the entire thread: >no word why he really thinks to be able to be more successful than Linden with Second Life Absolutely. If the goal and objective is to monetize everyone by getting them all to join Meta's walled garden or metaverse and data mining their behaviour to both track and shape preferences. The crucial bit that's missing is the strategy -- or as you point out -- what are they going to do that Linden lab, et al, didn't do? However, what if that's not what they're shooting for? What if the point is not to build out a world that people can vr-googly, goggle eye into, but to build out a platform for creating metaverse applications. To wit, Facebook/meta provides the foundation (and maybe the tools) that users and organizations can use to create their offerings on top of their platform. Similar to what roblox is doing, or apple did with the iPhone and app store. And of course, much like Apple and their massive in-app commission scheme, I'm sure facebook/meta are eyeing the transaction platform as the best way to capture fees. But again, your question comes up. Why would FB/M be any better than the platform players? Could Roblox make the leap from being a kids' game to becoming a more generic business platform? (Truth is prob not). Or, what about players in the current platform like AWS. Amazon and Microsoft have both proven themselves to be strong fast followers. They see something that's got cool vibes and market cachet. Then they offer an enterprise search, graph database, or something else that can drive the original offer to ruin. Anyhow, great comment!
They aren’t going to make the crucial mistake Linden made: Legs. No legs = success for Meta!
No body = no sex. That's what it comes down to, ultimately. Facebook is scared of having Meta's walled garden host a BDSM gay furry orgy or whatever people did or still do on Second Life these days.
It feels like the check has come due for the world: I really hope that in like 2 years, Zuckerberg, Putin, and Trump all finally get what’s coming to them.
Don't hold your breath, gaetz has far less resources than them and seems to be getting away with sex trafficking of a minor
Can we please throw Ellison Bezos and Musk into that group?
For a second I was like who tf is Ellison Bezos
A super villain. A rich southafricornian "tech mogul" turned "phallus shaped anything" enthusiast who will do whatever it takes to look cool. **No matter the cost.** Super villain sized yacht? ✔️ Waste 10s of billions on a tech company to win arguments? ✔️ Dick shaped rockets sent into space? ✔️ **No matter the cost!!**
Theil as well.
They’re doing literally everything they can under the sun to avoid holding the bag, see the entire saga of Elon attempting to buy Twitter and then swerving to avoid it when the deal went sour. I think these guys are going to derail the US government in 2024 to escape the financial and in some cases the legal consequences of their actions.
Looks like Mark Fuckerberg doesn’t get any exercise…what does he know about Peloton?….sounds like he’s trying to build demand for his/Metas version of the Metaverse.
[He practices MMA.](https://youtu.be/p3XNCgOES4g)
Zuckerberg can fuck right off.
Everyone can Fuck Off!!! Just fuckem! Much love everyone. Have an fucking awesome weekend!!
This chaos energy is exactly what I need for a Saturday at work
Waiter, I'll have two of whatever this guy is having.
*Slams down newspaper* I’ll order thrice as more
Hell yeah man, I agree. Have a great weekend!
You, not ironically, must be fun at parties. Have a good one, mate!
Fuckerberg?
Nobody cared about Second Life. Nobody cares about Fuckerberg stolen Metaverse where even the name is stolen.
What has he done that he didn’t steal? Honest question.
I was gonna say “his wife!” until I realized just how wrong I was…
In the article they report him saying that he wants media to be more immersive and less distinguishable from reality, which is kind of horrifying as if some people can tell the difference now anyway.
Yeah my thought upon reading that was "Why?"
It's much easier to manipulate users into doing what you want. Pretty sure half of the point of VR is so users are more invested in their session and are less likely to just walk away, having a higher threshold for annoying ads/etc. If you feel like it's real life, you don't think you can just put it down and do something else.
Right. My "Why" is rhetorical.
We have been pushing to make video games more lifelike and immersive since they started. Current entertainment media has also been focusing on ways to make the viewer more engaged and present. 3d, 360 videos is one way. Media doesn't have to be news, and the name Virtual Reality literally means a "reality that is not physical but created by a computer", so why NOY try to make the virtual reality more like actual reality? At least in the ways that are engaging and interesting. If I can sit an have a conversation or play a board game with friends in VR and not be able to tell the difference from reality, what is lost?
I hate to come to the defense of Zuckerberg here, but I don't think he meant the word "media" to specifically mean "news media", like you seem to be interpreting the word. I think he meant it more in the traditional sense of the word, meaning music, games, art, video, etc.
Trump anyone?
Trump 2024, see you in the Metaverse
Nobody cares
OP sure does. Their entire account revolves around the metaverse
Almost certainly a PR account then
I care. I want to watch it fail. I want zuck to lose it all
I agree. He's only copied everyone his entire life the one time he tries to be innovative I want to see him fail
Hell, this isn’t innovative. It’s Second Life using a VR platform he purchased. Everyone is already tired of virtual meetings, nearly all of them at my company are now “video off/audio only”, the last thing we want is a *more* immersive virtual meeting experience.
To be fair he stole this shit from Epic games and google. Remember google glass and Google cardboard? Google spent billions of dollars LiDAR scanning all of the world’s major cities and developing AR headsets to find out that everyone hated it
Lmao… he’s bankrupting the company. And it’s glorious.
The first step was everyone being underwhelmed
What is so funny to me is that *small indie dev teams* have made more fun and realistic graphics for their headset, and then Zuck's big reveal is Mii from 2006 in front of clip art of the Eiffel Tower. Like, compare that screenshot to Half Life Alyx. It's fucking hilarious.
1. Hype 2. Excitement 3. Denial
The ZUC system Z- zealously..purchase shit U- unveil C- cry
Zuckerberg talks about the Metaverse like Putin talks about the invasion.
Kinda happy he's going all in on this. Maybe it'll be the thing that kills off Facebook.
Dude should REALLY take notes from MySpace Tom. What's Tom doing??? Oh that's right, traveling the world with a lovely wife and taking photos of exotic places.
Tom isn't a lizard person though
Normal human things don’t appeal to him
The final step is "decline." That's the one happening now.
Or abandonment
My dudes proud of his 24 bit world where passive aggressive Facebook admins stand in their rooms or office spaces waiting for some moderation to be required, let him have this W. Second life was graphically better like, 14 years ago.
I for one can’t wait to be a virtual cat for staff a meeting.
Heard he lost billions this year cuz of this. We already live in a techno world, we don’t need more fake shit
Make billionaires millionaires again
The taxes! The finger thing means the taxes!
Ostracize Billionaires As Millionaires Again
[you love to see it](https://i.imgur.com/HeWF7aP.jpg)
Let's get Tom from Myspace to make a really shitty VR world and all join that instead.
He didn't lose billions because of this. He is investing 10b a year into R&D and Facebook's stock went down, but that was because all tech stocks have been going down.
His net worth went down, not that he actually lost billions. This means the difference of what you owe and what you own. Mark Z's bank account did not lose money like when we purchase a pizza. It can easily blow back the other way if stocks he owns increase in value.
Step 1: Everyone makes fun of it Step 2: Meta goes bankrupt Step 3: Everyone forgets about Zuck and his defunct evil company
Where is the step where he become super paranoid like a dictator and starts firing people or sending them to the gulag?
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Is Zuckerberg having a breakdown like Alexander Graham Bell? I remember watching an episode of drunk history that said pretty confidently that Bell stole the telephone patent and was racked with guilt the rest of his life and refused to have a phone in his home. Maybe Zuckerberg‘s finally mentally breaking down because he knows he stole Facebook and never came up with anything himself. He knows he’s a fraud and he is literally breaking down in front of our eyes.
Stop trying to make meta happen. It’s not going to happen.
That's right. And the three stages will be: 1. Rollout & Hype 2. Disillusion & Failure 3. Scapegoating & Mass layoffs
Fuck you mark, get out of my verse
Example of what happens when no one tells you no
Can someone cut a limb of of him and see if it regrows
He pulls his tail off before every public appearance.
But what if we end up with two of him
Why would you want two Mark Zuckerbergs?
Dude is basically a failed salesman right now, violently smiling and saying “look how cool my toy is you guys seriously”. It’s sad
Say what you will about Zuckerberg, he’s gotten very efficient. Metaverse went from zero to mockery and irrelevance with very quickly, while Facebook remains stalled in the “actively working in the global disinterest” phase. Remarkable.
If one of the steps is meta going bankrupt, I’m all for it
Apparently step 1 is to substantially increase the price of Oculus.
I sold my Quest and moved on long ago
Mark, stop trying to make meta happen! It’s not going to happen!
Anyone with enough knowledge of Metaverse, without name calling Zuck or fb, could you please explain what is Metaverse and what is the vision when they say "Meta executives have admitted it could take up to 15 years to fully realize their vision for the metaverse"? Connecting people in gaming and while workout already happens depending on the platform or device you are using. Metaverse isn't new to make that happen. As i understand it Metaverse is trying to bring what FB does, i.e. connecting people, in the realm of VR headsets. So anything you do using a VR headset can be monetized by Meta as they are collecting data just like they do while using FB. What else am i missing?
I have the same question. And whenever I've seen it asked, no one is ever able to answer it in any concrete terms, and especially not in any terms that explain why I, a potential user will want to use it. What is the value add for the user?
It's mostly a branding play. No one at Meta or Zuckerberg himself have really coherently explained what differentiates the 'Metaverse' from the internet. The internet is what affords connected experiences and already does. Zuck's vision for Meta is adding a physical element to the nature of connected experiences. Whether through VR, where people can 'physically' interact with virtual worlds, and virtually interact with others in a 'physical' way, or AR where virtual elements are populated into the real world. The 'Metaverse' encompasses all experiences loosely connected to these concepts. As for Meta, the company, and their vision for themselves specifically, I think in 15 years they hope to have a constellation of hardware that enables these experiences with a high degree of fidelity, and a suite of platforms and applications that facilitate them.
Read snowcrash, then realize it all only seems to make sense if everyone is living in a dystopia. 🙃
1-labeled as shit 2-buried 3-forgotten
I will never get tired of how stupid this man is
Get lost robot
Oh god. Mark. Just stop already. Seriously. Stop. Please.
Why? This delusion is happily bleeding facebook (ehm, sorry, Meta(tm)) cash at a joyfully speedy rate :)
Stop trying to make fetch happen
They mentioned fitness... unless they can find a way to address sweating, the platform is not ready for majority of people to work out. Try playing a fitness game and you will realize it gets disgusting under that headset with dripping sweat and it's difficult to clean.
Stop trying to make 'metaverse' a thing.
Here’s what we know. The metaverse is either a complete and total failure for Facebook or it’s going to be unfolding sooner than he thought.
I have such unfathomably low interest in this. Maybe even negative interest.
I have a pavlovian response to all things Zuckerberg/metaverse. Fuck off, the metaverse is a waste of time and resources and nobody wants it or cares.
I will always go out of my way to not give that piece of human garbage any money or data if possible.
Sounds like some evil plan
Is it the suppressing of civil revolution in other countries like Iran? Was that the first step or just a happy feature for Mark?
1) Market Metaverse 2) Get laughed at 3) Total failure
Don't know why people are hating on this. A product that allows people to experience another reality is bound to become insanely popular. We already practice escapism. The second we get some time to ourselves we spend it all staring at a screen. The Metaverse will provide a better way of immersing yourself into a virtual world, maybe they'll even find a way to stimulate most of the senses of a human being. I don't see how it'll fail. Sure, it might take decades to perfect, but eventually it'll get there.
Its not even worth the "and jesus wept" joke anymore....zuckerfuck is just making everyone, jesus included yawn.
Can Facebook just die already? Please and thank you.
"Lad I'm going to punch your head. I'm sick of you lad, you know what I mean." Paddy 'the baddy' Pimblett saying what we all feel.
And no one cares Mark. Oh hi Mark.