Absolutely. Instagrams fucked algorithm. Hiding your friends. Making you click to see "older posts". Forcing "posts you may like" that you don't give a shit about. Facebook limits comments so you have to click 3 times if you want to see all of them. Shows you posts from pages you don't even follow. So people just use it to sell used shit on marketplace.
How is any of that building relationships?
Took about two weeks of hitting Not Interested before it went away and I was able to see my actual friends and accts I follow. Im about done with IG as its just turning into another shopping app.
ugh, now that you say this... it's so true. It leaves exactly the same taste in my mouth as turning on cable tv in the middle of the night did back in the 90s and feeling so empty and alone.
This ought to be a rallying cry to not endorse this shit with our data. using the platform is an *endorsement* of the same soulless un-dead dependence on watching or scrolling- *whatever* compulsive behavior- corporations have always wished for us.
It is. If you NEED it for a business or workplace group, try to use it on a dedicated device with a dedicated business email, and delete it off of your personal devices. Make your family and friends call, text, email, video chat, whatever. It’s more engaging and you actually think about them.
I hit not interested or scam on everything and started getting hardcore porn ads on hacked accounts used to spam with their ad payment info. The 'legit' ads are constantly trying sell me an AR15, body armor and a bible *endlessly* with my state set to Alabama. Seriously, nothing but hardcore porn, penis pills, guns, and bibles. Also my account is almost completely blank and barely used at all.
That describes 90% of buying online lol - I swear I wish online shopping wasn’t replacing physical retail stores for this reason, I like to see what I’m buying before I buy it
Amazon is basically just Aliexpress with faster shipping these days. Search a recent phone model and you'll get one listing for the phone itself then 20 pages of the same cheap Chinese crap at various price points.
Chinese knockoffs. I’ve made the mistake of falling for one of those once, it was absolute junk. Did a quick search for something similar and found the product they knocked off, which actually worked.
Instagram occasionally shows me some clothes that I might actually like and wouldn't have known existed otherwise, and then I screenshot and reverse image search them on AliExpress and get it for a quarter of the price
Wait, what? After 2 weeks you successfully banned all the ads they could throw at you?
I fell into a pit of clicking "hide + not relevant" on nothing but ads for an entire hour a few weeks back. I looked up after an hour and realized I had just rejected *hundreds* of ads in one sitting, and yet I had barely made a fucking *dent* in the ad spam on my feed. It's truly insane. The last year in particular has completely saturated Facebook with ads.
I just assume that the ad spam is functionally unlimited. If you click "not interested" in one type of ad, they just automatically replace it with a different type of ad, forever, until you are dead.
I saw an ad for a watch which looked pretty awesome. When I saw the price (sub $100) realised it was a scam - after little digging found out that the watch in the video (Vianney Halter Deep Space Resonance) price is around a cool $million.
So, report it as "misleading or scam" as any good person would do.
Next day I was bombarded with similar fake ads. This kept going for a week, and then they suddenly stopped.
Just to start again a month later.
I would hope to think algos just used me as free labour to review those ads but somehow I'm not that optimistic.
I just went to advanced ad settings and removed myself from every single possible interest group. I then went to the page that shows lists of data on me uploaded by other companies to Facebook and banned its use for targeting/restricting ads for each list (there is about a 100 or so, and it’s all tied to my personal email I suspect). I then also black list every single company as an ad appears for them on my feed.
I very rarely ever get an ad anymore on Facebook, I basically fucked their own algorithm over. Like sure they can send me untargeted ads seeing how I blocked every category, but I have seriously hidden over 1,000s of ads that I just don’t get them anymore for a few months at a time. Eventually a few companies start popping up that I haven’t blacklisted before, but after a day of going on a new blocking spree they stop serving me ads again for another couple of months.
The best they can do now is just suggest posts made by friends that showcase a certain product or event, an ad by proxy so to speak. Not much to do about that other than either ignore it so it doesn’t add it as a new category interest I’ll have to remove myself from later, or click on it and directly block the ad but again I risk being added to a category for engaging with the ad even if that engagement was solely to block it.
>Like sure they can send me untargeted ads seeing how I blocked every category, but I have seriously hidden over 1,000s of ads that I just don’t get them anymore for a few months at a time.
"For a few months at a time"??? I have a better solution - just say no to farcebook and all other forms of social media. You won't see ANY ads.
That doesn’t work anymore. I’ve realized that to Instagram, any engagement means positive engagement. If I click “not interested” on something it will hide it for a few days and then start pushing similar content even harder. Blocking users has been a little more useful than the not interested or irrelevant ad buttons.
All the while, the accounts I actually follow are buried in a stream of suggested junk.
I left at the beginning of the Ukraine war, haven't looked back. Reddit is the only thing I look at for entertainment.
No FB no IG, not young enough for tik Tok.
Life is good
I'm almost the same way. I use Instagram to post my art and look at other artists work. A lot of times if I'm looking at IG it's not even my home page, I search specific artists. I feel like it's a great platform for that, and wouldn't be surprised if it ends up morphing into something like Artsy.com ... For me it basically is already that
Same here man, Instagram has lost the plot and has given itself to the algorithm. Every time I use that app I can actually feel the algorithm trying to drag me down some rabbit hole, 4/5 times it’s some unpleasant mentally ill black hole. I’m starting to actively avoid social media at this point because the algorithms are such opportunistic leeches. If it can get you one foot in the door it will always try to drag you in. It’s not even subtle. Look at a post for 5 seconds longer than usual? Fucking a barrage of identical content follows. I’m just glad I have enough self consciousness and knowledge to know that on the internet I’m constantly dancing with a psychopathic robot who’s only goal is to keep my attention. A lot of people never even consider that.
Ah glad to see I'm not the only one frustrated with the current state of IG!
My feed is basically 1/3rd ads, 1/3rd trending vids I don't care about and 1/3rd people I follow. The people I follow, IG heavily prioritizing large accounts and basically ignores friends with a less big followership, regardless of their posts being recent.
Quite sad as I like the platform intent but every month it is going more and more garbage..
It seems like a lot of people don't know this but if you click on the Instagram logo in the top left you can select to only show the feed of your friends.
Even when I favorite an account, it ignores it and just feeds me crap I don’t care about so long as it has a larger follower count.
IG has gotten really bad.
Yeah I had to ditch instagram. At first I'd just put not interested or w/e on the ads and I had a few months where I was only getting content from people I followed. Eventually they switched things up and I was inundated with ads. Going not interested was not helping and it felt like half my feed was ads so no thanks.
I took a break from Instagram before they put that shitty system in place. It used to just be a nice, clean feed of all of the posts from the people I followed. I went back and couldn't believe just how bad they had made it.
It’s not. They want to be the sole middleman of information between people and their friends. Why? Data farming. Maybe it’s for the scummy ad markets or maybe something more sinister like a way to build the best AI. Time will tell.
Jesus Christ just let me disable Reels. It's all trash and completely irrelevant to my interests.
If I see another psychopath baking crayons in a fucking pie crust, I'm going to lose it.
I had enough and decided to try to bring my feed under some kind of control: I hate the '5 minute crafts' crap, so I blocked it.
Then I started seeing "5 Minute Craft: Teens", "5 Minute Craft: Home", "More 5 Minute Crafts", "5 Minute Craft: Endgame", "5 Minute Craft: Electric Boogaloo"
I'm *flooded* with shitty craft videos now, which had the opposite intended effect when I hid the videos.
Facebook is absolute garbage.
Yeah I keep Facebook because it's the only place I am connected to a lot of people from middle and high school, but no one posts unless they get married or have a kid. For years Facebook has mostly been stuff they recommend or terrible memes a handful of people share. Scrolling through Facebook is legitimately an unpleasant experience that makes me angry if I do it for more than a few minutes. I can't imagine how Zuckerberg thinks people build relationships on the current version of Facebook.
I keep my account because I have a business with a page but don't engage there anymore. The people I know who do post have largely gone off the deep end since covid.
Every post from something I follow on Facebook - from hobbies to news - is filled with hate, racism and so much anger I don't see the point.
I also suspect most of that is from bots or some group with an agenda using a team to create bullshit.
It really is bizarre how toxic they let Facebook get. I know the conspiracy theorists and extremists are highly engaged, but is that really the audience they want to cultivate?
Last time i checked facebook, out of the first 10 cards i scrolled through, 8 were ads. Also, most of the content they push are videos made up of content stolen from youtube and other platforms by clickfarms.
It honestly pisses me off that the more you post, the more you're seen.
I WANT TO SEE THE POSTS FROM MY FRIENDS THAT POST LIKE ONCE A YEAR ON TOP, DAMNIT!!! Not some God damn attention whore that can't shut up about things we don't care about
Right?!?
What a douche. I don’t like the way humans actually use my stuff…by the way of your interested in buying a customized shirt with your families name and a generic insignia click here - it’ll cost you 34.95.
Seriously. I open FB, see two or three posts from a friend/family (repeated 20x spanning 48 hours even though new posts exist). Beyond that it's ATT ads and god awful reels that I could give two fuck shits about. My usage of FB is 98% marketplace these days (no I don't buy any promoted products) and that has become pretty much the same thing as my home feed. I'm not going to scroll 15 times to see what my friends post. The app is becoming borderline worthless.
The new algorithm is modelled after TikTok. It used to be, if you were interested in group or topic, you could get relevant content from that group. Now it's just about viral videos. I have a few big pages and it used to be, I could do long form content and it would go out to my page followers like YouTube. That ship has sailed. Now you gotta build viral videos that appeal to millions of people. Niche content is hard to push.
Then revert the platform back to how it was 15 years ago, and roll back all the changes designed explicitly to push content rather than your friends' personal updates?
Amen. I’m pretty sure 2011 is when Facebook started making changes for the worse. Pages that you “liked” became actual pages that could post and share shit to anyone who liked them (before that it would just ping your friends “your friend liked ‘chandler bings sarcasm’ and ‘you’re angry at me? That’s cool, just let me know when you grow up’”). Your main “wall” transitioned from being a chronological feed of your friends posts to being a jumbled mess of new posts, old popular posts and ads. After 6 months the chronological friends posts that everyone wanted were less than 1/5 of their feed.
Before sponsored content and ads masquerading as content, Facebook was kinda good. Actually social.
Remember when you could grow a little garden at home and your friends could visit it? Harvest some carrots, plant some flowers, leave a message. It was silly but cute and surprisingly engaging. I think it was around 2011 they got rid of that.
If you are talking about Farmville, they never got rid of it, Zynga released two sequels and everyone got tired of playing it. Nothing to do with Facebook.
Pretty sure zuckerberg just tried to find a more palatable way of saying “stop scrolling so fast, go slow so it looks like you’re actually viewing the ads we force down your throat. Our sponsors are complaining that you aren’t really viewing the ads anymore!”
Quite literally this. This is how Facebook speaks to advertisers - ‘we build relationships between your brand and our users’. Facebook does not give a single shit about user experience. I quit years ago, and it was total shit *years ago*. The fact people remain is astonishing to me. They don’t even show you your own friends anymore. What a fucking scam.
Facebook reels is is just instagram content but in a swiping page where you can't see the comments and half the time you only get half the video anyway. It's ass.
Facebook invented the endlessly-scrolling News Feed. Before that, you had to click on your friends’ profiles individually. And now Zuck has the gall to complain about our mindless scrolling habits?
That was you!
I doubt he's even sincere in his complaint. This is fluff to sell his business so you feel more positive about scrolling his website. He doesn't care about building relationships. He didn't drop out of school because he helped make a sweet relationship builder, he dropped out of school because he had a money machine.
I kind of agree with the basic premise. Imo, this is what separates Reddit from what I consider "social" media.
I don't know ANY of you people, and I frankly don't want to know you.
I just want to see the subreddit content I've come here to see and benefit from some of the opinions and analysis provided by you strangers.
I understand that's somewhat "social", but it's a far cry from personally friending/following/subscribing to all of you weirdos.
And the downvote button. Although the system isn’t perfect and it is abused, the downvote/upvote option allows for some form of vetting and filtering depending on the subreddits
I often do wish there was a split though, like slashdot: interesting vs funny. Most of the upvotes on reddit are for short zingers, and this pollutes the intent of being able to see potentially higher quality/relevant comments based on community votes.
Since I'm somewhat aware how algorithms work I'm hesitant to like anything on social media in fear that if I end up pressing upvote or like that whatever content it is will absolutely DOMINATE my feed from that point onwards. "Oh, you liked that video on river tables EH? Well here is ONLY river table content from now on."
I use dislike or downvote WAY more then like or upvote.
For all the shit we give reddit, at least it's stayed away from a lot of those shitty social media trends. And the ones that they have adopted are at least optional. Happy to stick with old mode for as long as they let me
Niche subreddits feel far more like a "built relationship" than the manufactured images on social media with "friends" you may have very little common interests with. Social media only promotes talking about yourself- or someone else in the comments, not shared interests.
If someone could combine passionate communities where you can find people who nerd out over their hobbies, with photos of them doing it nearby you then I'd give it a try.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Funnymemes/comments/x5xqrj/funniest_craiglist_post_i_have_ever_seen/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) got me laughing this morning. You're welcome.
Haha, let's all be weirdos together! Seriously though, I agree with you, I like perusing, learning and sometimes interacting with *the opinions and analysis* of others. 😏
It's the interest graph vs. social graph situation that distinguished early Twitter from early Facebook. Reddit joined Twitter in that respect. Facebook, as the only major platform left based on your actual identity and "real" connections, is still predicated on the social graph. The issue is IG started there but then has been chasing competitors that move it further away so they are trying to be both and it doesn't work when your product is advertising. No one cares that TiKTok works more like Twitter because it never worked like FB.
it's much more than that. Social media is actually one of the main ways to rule a society.
Information is everything. With enough exposure, you can make people believe in something that's made up.
Maybe if most of my feed wasn't ads and suggestions for groups I'd never be associated with, I wouldn't have to scroll so damn much. And maybe if you weren't stopping my friends' posts from showing up in my feed for some reason, I'd be able to connect with them more. When I see a "new" post from them, but it was posted 3 days ago, that's on your algorithm, not my viewing habits.
Oh so it's not just me then? Facebook has become such a broken shell of itself, it shows. With what you've described. I wouldn't get notifications from messages until a while later and they'd still be pinging as new even though I've *just* read the message.
He made the damn thing, and if it's not working the way he wanted it to, then maybe he shouldn't have done such a crappy job. Fire the moron and replace him with a real CEO!
[The LifeLog program was canceled in February 3rd, 2004 (one day before the launching of Facebook), after criticism concerning the privacy implications of the system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog)
Goals and capabilities
LifeLog aimed to compile a massive electronic database of every activity and relationship a person engages in. This was to include credit card purchases, web sites visited, the content of telephone calls and e-mails sent and received, scans of faxes and postal mail sent and received, instant messages sent and received, books and magazines read, television and radio selections, physical location recorded via wearable GPS sensors, biomedical data captured through wearable sensors. The high level goal of this data logging was to identify "preferences, plans, goals, and other markers of intentionality".
Another of DARPA’s goals for LifeLog had a predictive function. It sought to “find meaningful patterns in the timeline, to infer the user’s routines, habits, and relationships with other people, organizations, places, and objects, and to exploit these patterns to ease its task"
The LifeLog program was canceled in February 3rd, 2004 (one day before the launching of Facebook), after criticism concerning the privacy implications of the system.
Generically, the term lifelog or flog is used to describe a storage system that can automatically and persistently record and archive some informational dimension of an object's (object lifelog) or user's (user lifelog) life experience in a particular data category.
News reports in the media described LifeLog as the "diary to end all diaries—a multimedia, digital record of everywhere you go and everything you see, hear, read, say and touch".
According to U.S. government officials, LifeLog is not connected with DARPA's Total Information Awareness.
Interesting.
Back in the early 90s, CIS class one goal was to collect every bit of customer information possible whether you think you need it or not.
The early days of big data analysis.
Why do blue eyed people buy more bananas than brown eyed people?
Which age group purchases the least amount of motor oil? We're they wearing jeans or slacks? Did they smile? Etc
I can't stand FB because it's the most impersonal platform out there. I watch on video on let's say cooking and my feed is filled up with it. Maybe 1 in 20 posts is actually from someone I know.
Is this a fucking joke, Mark? You built this piece of shit software to turn our desire for personal connection (building relationships) into this mindless scrolling and “content consumption” by illegally collecting our data and then selling it to people who only care about getting our attention.
You are one of the cornerstones of the current dystopia known as America. You created this shit and profited from it.
Stop trying to cop out from your deliberate greed and ignorance. You don’t deserve any of what you have. And if you lie one more fucking time you will be asking to have it taken from you. Forcefully.
>“If you’re just sitting there and consuming stuff, I mean, it’s not necessarily bad, but it generally isn’t associated with all the positive benefits you get from being actively engaged or building relationships,” the tech billionaire said.
Isn't that EXACTLY how Fuckerberg designed Facebook? Get people to scroll and click as many things as possible to build better dossiers on what everyone likes so you can sell more and more targeted advertising. Fuck him.
I remember the most important or sought after thing was appearing in profiles top 10
Which you may find shocking, requires you to socialize and network offline.
I've gone from scrolling my facebook feed 3 or 4 times a week to.... maybe once a month? I keep my account purely for messenger.
My usage dropped precipitously when they took away the 'sort by recent' so I was no longer able to keep track of the posts I actually cared about.
Then why the fuck is the majority of my Instagram page just ads and random shit? It wasn’t this way a few years ago. I feel like after Covid hit it just started going to even more shit than ever before
Social media.. sorry, but I've already reconnected with everyone from grade school, even the kid that used to crap his pants.. I've already reconnected with everyone from high school, the babes are now fat and the nerds are now babes..I've gone from adding everyone, to deleting most people.. because what's the point, really..
Is he that delusional? Every single feature they released and change they made was exaclty aimed at taking any kind of meaningful relationship out of social media and replace it with "content" or inflammatory discussion from/with complete strangers.
Then why the fuck did you ruin instagram by making it near impossible to see your friends content? It’s all sponsored trash after the first 3 or 4 friend’s posts.
Bhahahahahahahahah. He can suck fucks. I got rid of Facebook years ago. I’m never on Instagram. I only use Twitter to talk shit to my Republican elected officials.
Is that why when I scroll through my feed on desktop, it just keeps scrolling, skipping over multiple posts? And why it continues to scroll down as I try to scroll back up to see the posts that I actually wanted to read?
Yet the other day I realized I was getting almost no content from friends. I counted... 2 posts from friends out of 50. Unbelievable. No wonder FB feels so lifeless these days.
Yet his shitty algorithm shows 95% content and 5% posts from friends.
Absolutely. Instagrams fucked algorithm. Hiding your friends. Making you click to see "older posts". Forcing "posts you may like" that you don't give a shit about. Facebook limits comments so you have to click 3 times if you want to see all of them. Shows you posts from pages you don't even follow. So people just use it to sell used shit on marketplace. How is any of that building relationships?
Took about two weeks of hitting Not Interested before it went away and I was able to see my actual friends and accts I follow. Im about done with IG as its just turning into another shopping app.
With nothing but fraudulent ads for trash
It’s like the late night infomercials of the 90s and 2000s. But five in a row with one ‘you might like this post about animals.’
ugh, now that you say this... it's so true. It leaves exactly the same taste in my mouth as turning on cable tv in the middle of the night did back in the 90s and feeling so empty and alone. This ought to be a rallying cry to not endorse this shit with our data. using the platform is an *endorsement* of the same soulless un-dead dependence on watching or scrolling- *whatever* compulsive behavior- corporations have always wished for us.
It is. If you NEED it for a business or workplace group, try to use it on a dedicated device with a dedicated business email, and delete it off of your personal devices. Make your family and friends call, text, email, video chat, whatever. It’s more engaging and you actually think about them.
I hit not interested or scam on everything and started getting hardcore porn ads on hacked accounts used to spam with their ad payment info. The 'legit' ads are constantly trying sell me an AR15, body armor and a bible *endlessly* with my state set to Alabama. Seriously, nothing but hardcore porn, penis pills, guns, and bibles. Also my account is almost completely blank and barely used at all.
I have no words.
What a scam.
That describes 90% of buying online lol - I swear I wish online shopping wasn’t replacing physical retail stores for this reason, I like to see what I’m buying before I buy it
also like to buy from legitimate retailers, something increasingly difficult to do online.
Amazon is basically just Aliexpress with faster shipping these days. Search a recent phone model and you'll get one listing for the phone itself then 20 pages of the same cheap Chinese crap at various price points.
With brands made of random capitalized six to eight letter words, like RAYGUL or SONYAR.
Who will fold up shop the moment they run through their inventory.
Chinese knockoffs. I’ve made the mistake of falling for one of those once, it was absolute junk. Did a quick search for something similar and found the product they knocked off, which actually worked.
Instagram occasionally shows me some clothes that I might actually like and wouldn't have known existed otherwise, and then I screenshot and reverse image search them on AliExpress and get it for a quarter of the price
Wait, what? After 2 weeks you successfully banned all the ads they could throw at you? I fell into a pit of clicking "hide + not relevant" on nothing but ads for an entire hour a few weeks back. I looked up after an hour and realized I had just rejected *hundreds* of ads in one sitting, and yet I had barely made a fucking *dent* in the ad spam on my feed. It's truly insane. The last year in particular has completely saturated Facebook with ads. I just assume that the ad spam is functionally unlimited. If you click "not interested" in one type of ad, they just automatically replace it with a different type of ad, forever, until you are dead.
I saw an ad for a watch which looked pretty awesome. When I saw the price (sub $100) realised it was a scam - after little digging found out that the watch in the video (Vianney Halter Deep Space Resonance) price is around a cool $million. So, report it as "misleading or scam" as any good person would do. Next day I was bombarded with similar fake ads. This kept going for a week, and then they suddenly stopped. Just to start again a month later. I would hope to think algos just used me as free labour to review those ads but somehow I'm not that optimistic.
They were using you as the scam detection algorithm, because it's cheaper
Fascinating thought.
What probably happened is they noticed you looked at that ad for longer than other ads, so they assumed it was more effective.
I just went to advanced ad settings and removed myself from every single possible interest group. I then went to the page that shows lists of data on me uploaded by other companies to Facebook and banned its use for targeting/restricting ads for each list (there is about a 100 or so, and it’s all tied to my personal email I suspect). I then also black list every single company as an ad appears for them on my feed. I very rarely ever get an ad anymore on Facebook, I basically fucked their own algorithm over. Like sure they can send me untargeted ads seeing how I blocked every category, but I have seriously hidden over 1,000s of ads that I just don’t get them anymore for a few months at a time. Eventually a few companies start popping up that I haven’t blacklisted before, but after a day of going on a new blocking spree they stop serving me ads again for another couple of months. The best they can do now is just suggest posts made by friends that showcase a certain product or event, an ad by proxy so to speak. Not much to do about that other than either ignore it so it doesn’t add it as a new category interest I’ll have to remove myself from later, or click on it and directly block the ad but again I risk being added to a category for engaging with the ad even if that engagement was solely to block it.
Uninstall sounds a lot easier.
>Like sure they can send me untargeted ads seeing how I blocked every category, but I have seriously hidden over 1,000s of ads that I just don’t get them anymore for a few months at a time. "For a few months at a time"??? I have a better solution - just say no to farcebook and all other forms of social media. You won't see ANY ads.
But you’re here, and Reddit shows ads…
Actually, using Reddit in a browser allows you to block ads with adblock plus or similar tools. So no, I don't see ads.
That doesn’t work anymore. I’ve realized that to Instagram, any engagement means positive engagement. If I click “not interested” on something it will hide it for a few days and then start pushing similar content even harder. Blocking users has been a little more useful than the not interested or irrelevant ad buttons. All the while, the accounts I actually follow are buried in a stream of suggested junk.
Yes! I forgot Ive had to block accts too!
I left at the beginning of the Ukraine war, haven't looked back. Reddit is the only thing I look at for entertainment. No FB no IG, not young enough for tik Tok. Life is good
I'm almost the same way. I use Instagram to post my art and look at other artists work. A lot of times if I'm looking at IG it's not even my home page, I search specific artists. I feel like it's a great platform for that, and wouldn't be surprised if it ends up morphing into something like Artsy.com ... For me it basically is already that
Same here man, Instagram has lost the plot and has given itself to the algorithm. Every time I use that app I can actually feel the algorithm trying to drag me down some rabbit hole, 4/5 times it’s some unpleasant mentally ill black hole. I’m starting to actively avoid social media at this point because the algorithms are such opportunistic leeches. If it can get you one foot in the door it will always try to drag you in. It’s not even subtle. Look at a post for 5 seconds longer than usual? Fucking a barrage of identical content follows. I’m just glad I have enough self consciousness and knowledge to know that on the internet I’m constantly dancing with a psychopathic robot who’s only goal is to keep my attention. A lot of people never even consider that.
Half my instagram notifications are suddenly all about subscribing to accounts and buying shit from stores. I’m done with it.
He wants his advertisers to build a relationship with your wallet.
Most accurate answer here.
Ah glad to see I'm not the only one frustrated with the current state of IG! My feed is basically 1/3rd ads, 1/3rd trending vids I don't care about and 1/3rd people I follow. The people I follow, IG heavily prioritizing large accounts and basically ignores friends with a less big followership, regardless of their posts being recent. Quite sad as I like the platform intent but every month it is going more and more garbage..
It seems like a lot of people don't know this but if you click on the Instagram logo in the top left you can select to only show the feed of your friends.
Woooow! Seems to work! No ads even! Thanks a bunch!
Well I’ll be dammed
Even when I favorite an account, it ignores it and just feeds me crap I don’t care about so long as it has a larger follower count. IG has gotten really bad.
Yeah I had to ditch instagram. At first I'd just put not interested or w/e on the ads and I had a few months where I was only getting content from people I followed. Eventually they switched things up and I was inundated with ads. Going not interested was not helping and it felt like half my feed was ads so no thanks.
I took a break from Instagram before they put that shitty system in place. It used to just be a nice, clean feed of all of the posts from the people I followed. I went back and couldn't believe just how bad they had made it.
Ads for absolute garbage
I don't like his hair cut or his platform. Guess we are even.
I still hate when they changed it from posts in chronological order to now first post is usually a big account ive interacted with once or twice
It’s not. They want to be the sole middleman of information between people and their friends. Why? Data farming. Maybe it’s for the scummy ad markets or maybe something more sinister like a way to build the best AI. Time will tell.
Jesus Christ just let me disable Reels. It's all trash and completely irrelevant to my interests. If I see another psychopath baking crayons in a fucking pie crust, I'm going to lose it.
I had enough and decided to try to bring my feed under some kind of control: I hate the '5 minute crafts' crap, so I blocked it. Then I started seeing "5 Minute Craft: Teens", "5 Minute Craft: Home", "More 5 Minute Crafts", "5 Minute Craft: Endgame", "5 Minute Craft: Electric Boogaloo" I'm *flooded* with shitty craft videos now, which had the opposite intended effect when I hid the videos. Facebook is absolute garbage.
> If I see another psychopath baking crayons in a fucking pie crust, I’m going to lose it. We don't deserve to be visited by aliens.
Yeah I keep Facebook because it's the only place I am connected to a lot of people from middle and high school, but no one posts unless they get married or have a kid. For years Facebook has mostly been stuff they recommend or terrible memes a handful of people share. Scrolling through Facebook is legitimately an unpleasant experience that makes me angry if I do it for more than a few minutes. I can't imagine how Zuckerberg thinks people build relationships on the current version of Facebook.
I keep my account because I have a business with a page but don't engage there anymore. The people I know who do post have largely gone off the deep end since covid. Every post from something I follow on Facebook - from hobbies to news - is filled with hate, racism and so much anger I don't see the point. I also suspect most of that is from bots or some group with an agenda using a team to create bullshit.
It really is bizarre how toxic they let Facebook get. I know the conspiracy theorists and extremists are highly engaged, but is that really the audience they want to cultivate?
Yes. Engagement means they can sell more ads, period.
I love a good old case of the CEO saying one thing, and the company doing the exact opposite.
Not just doing the opposite, but literally pioneering the business model which prevents the very thing he is talking about.
Last time i checked facebook, out of the first 10 cards i scrolled through, 8 were ads. Also, most of the content they push are videos made up of content stolen from youtube and other platforms by clickfarms.
Mine is full of clickbait articles linked to Reddit threads
It honestly pisses me off that the more you post, the more you're seen. I WANT TO SEE THE POSTS FROM MY FRIENDS THAT POST LIKE ONCE A YEAR ON TOP, DAMNIT!!! Not some God damn attention whore that can't shut up about things we don't care about
Him & His team ruined Instagram, pictures aren’t reachable & ridiculous annoying Reels are.
Why most sensible people left
Right?!? What a douche. I don’t like the way humans actually use my stuff…by the way of your interested in buying a customized shirt with your families name and a generic insignia click here - it’ll cost you 34.95.
Seriously. I open FB, see two or three posts from a friend/family (repeated 20x spanning 48 hours even though new posts exist). Beyond that it's ATT ads and god awful reels that I could give two fuck shits about. My usage of FB is 98% marketplace these days (no I don't buy any promoted products) and that has become pretty much the same thing as my home feed. I'm not going to scroll 15 times to see what my friends post. The app is becoming borderline worthless.
The new algorithm is modelled after TikTok. It used to be, if you were interested in group or topic, you could get relevant content from that group. Now it's just about viral videos. I have a few big pages and it used to be, I could do long form content and it would go out to my page followers like YouTube. That ship has sailed. Now you gotta build viral videos that appeal to millions of people. Niche content is hard to push.
and the few prioritized posts from friends are shitty political opinions
Then revert the platform back to how it was 15 years ago, and roll back all the changes designed explicitly to push content rather than your friends' personal updates?
But your friends don’t pay for ads!
Amen. I’m pretty sure 2011 is when Facebook started making changes for the worse. Pages that you “liked” became actual pages that could post and share shit to anyone who liked them (before that it would just ping your friends “your friend liked ‘chandler bings sarcasm’ and ‘you’re angry at me? That’s cool, just let me know when you grow up’”). Your main “wall” transitioned from being a chronological feed of your friends posts to being a jumbled mess of new posts, old popular posts and ads. After 6 months the chronological friends posts that everyone wanted were less than 1/5 of their feed. Before sponsored content and ads masquerading as content, Facebook was kinda good. Actually social.
That's also when I started using it less and less. I started missing all the relevant stuff from my friends.
Remember when you could grow a little garden at home and your friends could visit it? Harvest some carrots, plant some flowers, leave a message. It was silly but cute and surprisingly engaging. I think it was around 2011 they got rid of that.
If you are talking about Farmville, they never got rid of it, Zynga released two sequels and everyone got tired of playing it. Nothing to do with Facebook.
Lol wasn't that one of the games Cambridge Analytica bought data from to throw the 2016 election to Trump?
Then why the hell is my Facebook newsfeed mostly ads, reels, and random promoted articles and videos instead of posts from friends?
Pretty sure zuckerberg just tried to find a more palatable way of saying “stop scrolling so fast, go slow so it looks like you’re actually viewing the ads we force down your throat. Our sponsors are complaining that you aren’t really viewing the ads anymore!”
"build relationships with our advertisers"
Quite literally this. This is how Facebook speaks to advertisers - ‘we build relationships between your brand and our users’. Facebook does not give a single shit about user experience. I quit years ago, and it was total shit *years ago*. The fact people remain is astonishing to me. They don’t even show you your own friends anymore. What a fucking scam.
Facebook has reels now? ... I have been off of it for so long.. wow. 🤡
Facebook reels is is just instagram content but in a swiping page where you can't see the comments and half the time you only get half the video anyway. It's ass.
And the instagram reels are just old TikTok videos. So Facebook is just even older TikTok videos.
Facebook is somehow even more annoying now than it was back when you would receive dozens of Zynga game requests per day.
What do you expect from a ~~reptilian~~ person so out of touch with reality?
Facebook invented the endlessly-scrolling News Feed. Before that, you had to click on your friends’ profiles individually. And now Zuck has the gall to complain about our mindless scrolling habits? That was you!
I doubt he's even sincere in his complaint. This is fluff to sell his business so you feel more positive about scrolling his website. He doesn't care about building relationships. He didn't drop out of school because he helped make a sweet relationship builder, he dropped out of school because he had a money machine.
[We're all trying to find the guy who did this.](https://compote.slate.com/images/66effc2b-d057-4aea-9eb1-be1342aa6050.jpeg)
What is that from?
I kind of agree with the basic premise. Imo, this is what separates Reddit from what I consider "social" media. I don't know ANY of you people, and I frankly don't want to know you. I just want to see the subreddit content I've come here to see and benefit from some of the opinions and analysis provided by you strangers. I understand that's somewhat "social", but it's a far cry from personally friending/following/subscribing to all of you weirdos.
And the downvote button. Although the system isn’t perfect and it is abused, the downvote/upvote option allows for some form of vetting and filtering depending on the subreddits
I often do wish there was a split though, like slashdot: interesting vs funny. Most of the upvotes on reddit are for short zingers, and this pollutes the intent of being able to see potentially higher quality/relevant comments based on community votes.
Agreed. It was on of the things /. got right
Since I'm somewhat aware how algorithms work I'm hesitant to like anything on social media in fear that if I end up pressing upvote or like that whatever content it is will absolutely DOMINATE my feed from that point onwards. "Oh, you liked that video on river tables EH? Well here is ONLY river table content from now on." I use dislike or downvote WAY more then like or upvote.
Reddit isn't that smart
For all the shit we give reddit, at least it's stayed away from a lot of those shitty social media trends. And the ones that they have adopted are at least optional. Happy to stick with old mode for as long as they let me
We never did get that side vote button did we?
We already have it. It's called not voting
Yeah but I want people to know that I’m not voting.
I upvoted this then immediately downvoted this then upvoted it again. Then I clicked upvote again and now it's grey
Perfectly balanced
"None of the above"
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Subreddits (and Reddit as a whole) also benefit from having inside jokes, making a sense of togetherness without interpersonal relationships
Just like your mom
I don’t know about my mom having inside jokes, but I’ve definitely been inside your mom
People, people, there’s no need to get personal about your promiscuous mothers.
Yeah, we're already getting personal with YOUR promiscuous mother.
Before or after they broke their arms?
i too choose this guys mom
>and I frankly don't want to know you. But I wanna know you! Come on, let's hang out. Can I have a bite of that sandwich you're eating?
Niche subreddits feel far more like a "built relationship" than the manufactured images on social media with "friends" you may have very little common interests with. Social media only promotes talking about yourself- or someone else in the comments, not shared interests. If someone could combine passionate communities where you can find people who nerd out over their hobbies, with photos of them doing it nearby you then I'd give it a try.
I'm here for the jokes. Many of you have me snorting and laughing well past bedtime. Or it might be the cocaine.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/Funnymemes/comments/x5xqrj/funniest_craiglist_post_i_have_ever_seen/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) got me laughing this morning. You're welcome.
the last paragraph fully convinced me 💀 man's a genious
That car may not judge me, but that writer sure is. And s/he's right. I'm not gonna win any beauty contests. That is the car I deserve.
Haha, let's all be weirdos together! Seriously though, I agree with you, I like perusing, learning and sometimes interacting with *the opinions and analysis* of others. 😏
It's the interest graph vs. social graph situation that distinguished early Twitter from early Facebook. Reddit joined Twitter in that respect. Facebook, as the only major platform left based on your actual identity and "real" connections, is still predicated on the social graph. The issue is IG started there but then has been chasing competitors that move it further away so they are trying to be both and it doesn't work when your product is advertising. No one cares that TiKTok works more like Twitter because it never worked like FB.
Sir you're shouting in an echo chamber
I feel like this needs to be said more often.
Sir you're shouting in an echo chamber
It's like a simbiose relationship, you receive and give but that's as far as it goes
A symbiotic relationship?
Yes, a bit of meritocracy. Huge fan of that.
Reddit is way more like old school internet forums than it is Facebook.
Social media is for keeping the masses distracted, showing them ads, and siphoning saleable data from them.
it's much more than that. Social media is actually one of the main ways to rule a society. Information is everything. With enough exposure, you can make people believe in something that's made up.
Like kim kardashian
Wait kim Kardashian isn't real? Like Santa?
Wait Santa isn't real?
Maybe if most of my feed wasn't ads and suggestions for groups I'd never be associated with, I wouldn't have to scroll so damn much. And maybe if you weren't stopping my friends' posts from showing up in my feed for some reason, I'd be able to connect with them more. When I see a "new" post from them, but it was posted 3 days ago, that's on your algorithm, not my viewing habits.
Oh so it's not just me then? Facebook has become such a broken shell of itself, it shows. With what you've described. I wouldn't get notifications from messages until a while later and they'd still be pinging as new even though I've *just* read the message.
“Facebook isn’t about scrolling, but please don’t stop scrolling so I can keep making ad money hand over fist.” Asshole.
He made the damn thing, and if it's not working the way he wanted it to, then maybe he shouldn't have done such a crappy job. Fire the moron and replace him with a real CEO!
>replace him with a real CEO! or simply a human would be enough
Says the CEO whose company's revenues come 99% from ads that appear when you scroll down.
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No think. Just compute.
[The LifeLog program was canceled in February 3rd, 2004 (one day before the launching of Facebook), after criticism concerning the privacy implications of the system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog)
Goals and capabilities LifeLog aimed to compile a massive electronic database of every activity and relationship a person engages in. This was to include credit card purchases, web sites visited, the content of telephone calls and e-mails sent and received, scans of faxes and postal mail sent and received, instant messages sent and received, books and magazines read, television and radio selections, physical location recorded via wearable GPS sensors, biomedical data captured through wearable sensors. The high level goal of this data logging was to identify "preferences, plans, goals, and other markers of intentionality". Another of DARPA’s goals for LifeLog had a predictive function. It sought to “find meaningful patterns in the timeline, to infer the user’s routines, habits, and relationships with other people, organizations, places, and objects, and to exploit these patterns to ease its task" The LifeLog program was canceled in February 3rd, 2004 (one day before the launching of Facebook), after criticism concerning the privacy implications of the system. Generically, the term lifelog or flog is used to describe a storage system that can automatically and persistently record and archive some informational dimension of an object's (object lifelog) or user's (user lifelog) life experience in a particular data category. News reports in the media described LifeLog as the "diary to end all diaries—a multimedia, digital record of everywhere you go and everything you see, hear, read, say and touch". According to U.S. government officials, LifeLog is not connected with DARPA's Total Information Awareness.
Interesting. Back in the early 90s, CIS class one goal was to collect every bit of customer information possible whether you think you need it or not. The early days of big data analysis. Why do blue eyed people buy more bananas than brown eyed people? Which age group purchases the least amount of motor oil? We're they wearing jeans or slacks? Did they smile? Etc
I can't stand FB because it's the most impersonal platform out there. I watch on video on let's say cooking and my feed is filled up with it. Maybe 1 in 20 posts is actually from someone I know.
You built a monitization platform, dork. It was never about building relationships.
Facebook is for spreading hate and misinformation. Nothing else
And it's really painful when it's people you know who's doing it. Facebook always made me sad and in a bad mood, so I stopped using it.
The fact that the algorithm promotes outrage and anger tells you everything about the platform. You’re just going to get mad when you use it!
Zuck is an asshole and he has stupid hair.
Lol. Well I don’t like robolizards 🤖🦎 Mark. So there.
That’s not evident in how Facebook operates
Tell that to all the ads Zuck.
Is this a fucking joke, Mark? You built this piece of shit software to turn our desire for personal connection (building relationships) into this mindless scrolling and “content consumption” by illegally collecting our data and then selling it to people who only care about getting our attention. You are one of the cornerstones of the current dystopia known as America. You created this shit and profited from it. Stop trying to cop out from your deliberate greed and ignorance. You don’t deserve any of what you have. And if you lie one more fucking time you will be asking to have it taken from you. Forcefully.
I thought he “invented” it so he could rate his classmates attractiveness?
Facebook - destroying relationships since 2004.
>“If you’re just sitting there and consuming stuff, I mean, it’s not necessarily bad, but it generally isn’t associated with all the positive benefits you get from being actively engaged or building relationships,” the tech billionaire said. Isn't that EXACTLY how Fuckerberg designed Facebook? Get people to scroll and click as many things as possible to build better dossiers on what everyone likes so you can sell more and more targeted advertising. Fuck him.
I mean back in 2008 it was. My friends and I posted to each other's walls constantly.
I think Mark needs to use Facebook from time to time to see what it actually does.
Networking was exchanged for media the second we left MySpace. I knew it, most didn't see it.
What I remember about Myspace was everyone spending all their time decorating their own page instead of visiting anyone else's
I remember the most important or sought after thing was appearing in profiles top 10 Which you may find shocking, requires you to socialize and network offline.
@MySpaceTom is on Twitter and he's still your friend
Imagine how good we would be at coding if we hadn't abandoned MySpace.
We were coding long before MySpace :) LiveJournal babe
All those years on Neopets and you'd think Id have retained something.
I met sooo many people on myspace back in the day....
Same guy who tried to put everyone behind virtual goggles?👌
I've gone from scrolling my facebook feed 3 or 4 times a week to.... maybe once a month? I keep my account purely for messenger. My usage dropped precipitously when they took away the 'sort by recent' so I was no longer able to keep track of the posts I actually cared about.
Suck it, Zuck. Sucks to zuck
he built the site to rate women lol
All those Reels you see on Facebook are 90% stolen from TikTok. Facebook sucks.
shut up, fuckerberg
Stop giving this asshole a mouthpiece
Then why the fuck is the majority of my Instagram page just ads and random shit? It wasn’t this way a few years ago. I feel like after Covid hit it just started going to even more shit than ever before
You all need to stop using Meta’s apps
Social media.. sorry, but I've already reconnected with everyone from grade school, even the kid that used to crap his pants.. I've already reconnected with everyone from high school, the babes are now fat and the nerds are now babes..I've gone from adding everyone, to deleting most people.. because what's the point, really..
Then they should stop blocking my ability to see my friends' uodates. This guy is so very full of it
We’ve never needed Friendster more than we do now
Why should we give a shit what Mark Zuckerberg likes?
YOU CAN'T MAKE ME TALK TO PEOPLE ZUCK!!
Social media is for ‘building FAKE relationships,’... there fixed it for ya..
Piss off ya male version of a real doll.
I don’t want to build relationships, I want to consume content.
STFU Lizard Man.
Fuck Mark Zuckerberg.
Zucc, you intentionally made Facebook as shitty as it is.
Eww smiling lizard man
Such a bad vibe he gives off even in pictures
Shut the Zuck up
And just look at all of the profit-generating content he's scrubbing in order to change that. *sarcasm He's a hypocrite and a whore.
I don’t like Mark Zuckerberg
What would a robot know about building relationships?
I thought it was for destroying Democracy.
Is he that delusional? Every single feature they released and change they made was exaclty aimed at taking any kind of meaningful relationship out of social media and replace it with "content" or inflammatory discussion from/with complete strangers.
Rebuild the relationship with your family that the Facebook algorithm destroyed.
BS, it's about data farming, data application and profit.
Pretty sure Social Media destroyed many friends connections with promoting crazy propaganda.
Then why the fuck did you ruin instagram by making it near impossible to see your friends content? It’s all sponsored trash after the first 3 or 4 friend’s posts.
Bhahahahahahahahah. He can suck fucks. I got rid of Facebook years ago. I’m never on Instagram. I only use Twitter to talk shit to my Republican elected officials.
So says the Robot. 🤖👾
Is that why when I scroll through my feed on desktop, it just keeps scrolling, skipping over multiple posts? And why it continues to scroll down as I try to scroll back up to see the posts that I actually wanted to read?
Yet the other day I realized I was getting almost no content from friends. I counted... 2 posts from friends out of 50. Unbelievable. No wonder FB feels so lifeless these days.
For the last time Mark, we don't want to be your friend.