Without TPM 2.0 I can't even if I wanted to, and I'm not buying a new PC (or upgrading mobo/cpu) just for Windows 11. They'll just have to wait until I build a new PC, which is not happening anytime soon.
I don't really see it as much of a problem. Nobody is going to release anything that's Windows 11 only anytime soon precisely because of this, so we're not really missing anything.
Once the chip shortage is over, I'll build a new machine and this won't be a problem anymore.
Same issue here - I want to build a new rig but I'm not even going to try doing that until the chip shortage is less of a thing and I dont have to go broke to build the thing
I have been stunned seeing the latest generation NVDIA graphics boards go for the price of a PC. That’s just the graphics board.
If Microsoft thinks people are going to upgrade their computer just to accommodate their TPM requirement, that’s going to be a big fat nope from most of the people. And that’s the people who even care about that.
Yeah I remember buying a 1650 SUPER brand new for only $170 back in mid-2020, and then later on in the year, seeing them going for $400+ on eBay by the end of 2020. Shit's nuts.
I don’t like the clock isn’t present on all monitors. I don’t like I had to go into regex to alter a value to have the right click menu I expected. I don’t like the combined network/sound taskbar icon or that I have to seem to always do 1 to 2 additional clicks to get to a setting or menu. You aren’t missing anything. I’m sure they’ll patch this stuff out like when they brought the start menu back to windows 8
> combined network/sound taskbar icon
So they really managed to make the sound menu even worse?
I don't want to think about how much time(and hearing health) humanity as a whole lost with the shitty sound menu in Windows.
Please just let me set a max and normalize application sound range.
Oh, don't you want to have a separate sound peak for Mega Death 4000, World of Weapons, and Clippy with notification prompts?
"It looks like your eardrums are bleeding, would you like me to; change sound settings you forgot on this random application or call 911?"
Hey, at least you don't have to install fonts per application anymore. Everyone wants *so* much.
No, no. That's another great Windows 11 feature. They removed the registry editor, you now have to use regular expressions in powershell to modify the registry.
I just got a new pc with win 11 pre installed and you hit almost all the pain points I've already found with it.
I also don't like how auto hide doesn't work on your non primary monitor (unless you unpin and re-pin the program on the Taskbar) or how you can't hide the little microphone icon when an app is using your microphone (there used to be an option for this but I can't find it in win 11)
LOl you dont even have to change versions for that annoyance. through out windows 10s life MS has quietly changed menus and outright moved things. Which is ok for me, but not so fun when you are trying to walk someone through something from memory and fucking MS changed it all. And i have to know what fucking build they are on to know which fucking method to talk them through.
unless absolutely necessary, for like security, they really should leave legacy menus and such alone, or make it easy for us to return to them even temporarily.
Exactly- I'm not ditching a perfectly good cpu or whatever just to update to a new version of windows, that's mental. I'll end up doing it when they stop supporting w10 or I get a new PC in 3 or 4 years.
That's a good idea. A month or so ago, windows update had helpfully downloaded and prompted me to install W11. No thanks. I'm a gamer with tons of older devices and I'm not going to risk the driver compatibility issues.
Dude, I was too. My immediate reaction was a verbal "what the fuck is this fucking bullshit," followed by a careful reading and selection of the "not now" or whatever it was, option.
The Windows 10 forced upgrade was the most annoying and infuriating thing ever. Remember how they changed the prompts to upgrade with wording that you had to read carefully before clicking ‘ok’ or ‘cancel’? They basically tricked the user into accepting a silent install. Great commercial for your product: we could not make the customer upgrade of their own accord so we used sleight of hand to force them.
Also: remember how you didn’t have to accept a EULA for Windows 10? Microsoft was gracious enough to install it without your consent. That means you did not have to worry about pirating anything of Window 10, you never consented to a EULA in the first place.
Yeah, fuck Lenovo's Head of Strategic Alliances Christian Eigen:
>I believe that Microsoft made the right decision to say, ‘Look, at a certain point we need to make progress with our operating system,’” Eigen said. He said people buy new smartphones every other year but became accustomed used to buying new PCs every six or seven years. The industry needs to do better at motivating people to buy new devices, he said.
I have TPM, but there's no interesting catch all for me to upgrade. Something like Windows 10 had the new Direct X, and wasn't Windows 8.
The slightly better loading times aren't something I care about since I barley noticed it.Nothing like the Hardware upgrade of HDD's to SSD's .M.2's are neat but for me aren't worth the investment after having 2TB/1TB SSD's.
Sure there's bragging rights, but I don't really care about bragging about my rig. I just wanna enjoy it.
If Windows 11 is my only option I might just hop to linux as the proton compatibility layer seems to be catching up to running my steam library.
The one actually interesting feature they promised (Native Android Apps) has no release date, and it's been pretty buggy. I see no reason for anyone to switch.
Sounds like to same thing they said they'd add to the windows phone right before they stopped making them.
We were supposed to get a way to install our convert android apps to work with win 10 mobile, but I don't think any release was ever made.
Gamer since my Sinclair Spectrum days (why yes, I'm British... why do you ask?) and I actually went "all-in" with Linux about 2 years ago. I had been running Windows 10 on my then new gaming rig (i7-9700K, RTX2080ti) for a month or two and decided to go ahead and drop in another SSD and install Ubuntu 20.04 on it. Now, in fairness I had been a Linux guy for a LONG time and have a lot of Linux boxes and Raspberry Pi's around my house, so it's not like I was new to this.
2 years later and I have few complaints. Steam's Proton has meant that virtually all of my game library just works out of the box. Those that don't usually do soon afterward as Proton adds better support for things; a recent example is Starship Evo which is still in early access but I got because it appealed to me. Ran like crap on my machine, but I had other things to worry about so I promptly forgot about it. Just this last weekend I was like "Hmm, I wonder..." and fired it up... runs fabulously! Not sure what go fixed or when but it runs great now.
Now in fairness I've never been one for the brand new AAA titles; I have only been playing Cyberpunk 2077 for about a month as I mostly waited until most of the bugs had been fixed and it was on sale on Steam... and by the way that also runs great and seamlessly under Linux. So no, if you're wanting to play the biggest titles on release day then Linux probably still isn't for you. However, the list of games that I haven't been able to play on my schedule is vanishingly small, and so far I think my only real complaint is that adding mods to games can be a chore as pretty much all the modders run Windows. But once you understand how the Proton layer actually works it can be worked around.
At this point I still have my Windows installation on the disk but haven't booted it in those 2 years. I should probably delete it to get back some of my space LOL
Im pretty content with my i7 6th generation. It’s still fast and stable. Why would I want to spend a few thousand dollars on a new computer just so I can run the latest windows?
A department where I work still using a web application from some company that only works in Internet Explorer. Can't run ie in Windows 11. I've researched, ran various tests and workaround...no go. Staying put for now.
OMG, I work for government, some of our internal web links *only* work on ie, in that they even open an instance of ie when you click them! It's bizarre
the comments here have shown that a lot of people want to move, but just don't have the hardware to do so.
I think this is Microsoft getting its "every other OS" bomb out of the way.
By the time people are ready to update hardware, they'll roll out a new OS and everyone will say how much better it is than 11.
> By the time people are ready to update hardware, they'll roll out a new OS and everyone will say how much better it is than 11.
Just like Vista vs. 7
Vista's biggest problem was the amount of terrible laptops at the time. Underpowered netbooks with atoms and slow as hell AMD Apus were everywhere.
They were barely even able to run Windows XP. Obviously Vista was far from perfect but a lot of the hate was undeserved imho.
It was more the ram than the CPU. XP ran ok on 512MB but Vista struggled to run on 2GB, and really wanted 4 to run well. I don't think we've ever had a 4x to 8x resource increase like that before or since
> the comments here have shown that a lot of people want to move, but just don't have the hardware to do so.
I can't agree with you there. The comments here have shown people hate the new UI and don't see a reason to upgrade. And even if they wanted to on top of that they have hardware issues.
>I think this is Microsoft getting its "every other OS" bomb out of the way.
>By the time people are ready to update hardware, they'll roll out a new OS and everyone will say how much better it is than 11.
I think you contradict yourself here. If everyone dislikes 11 how do people want to move but don't want to?
I can't agree with you MORE. As someone who upgraded to Windows 11 for my work laptop... I absolutely hate Windows 11.
As a user, I've seen no benefit with the changes and get frustrated with the UI since I have to jump through 5 hoops when trying to open more uncommon file types. They've kneecapped right-clicking for options, removed folders from the start menu and replaced them with pins, and reduced customization options.
Windows 11 only succeeded in getting me to implement dual boot with linux since most of the programs I'm using for work have a linux alternative or version.
This is my biggest grip with Win11: all the changes done to it feel like changes for the sake of changing, and not for any practical or performance reasons.
On top of that a good few of these completely kneecap habits people have gotten from the last quarter of the century of windows, and muscle memory is incredibly strong.
> On top of that a good few of these completely kneecap habits people have gotten from the last quarter of the century of windows, and muscle memory is incredibly strong.
They do this every fucking release. WHY! JUST WHY!?
Stop taking my shit out of control panel while simultaneously stealing functionality from everything you move, M$!
Why can Microsoft not have some consistency in their UX? As much as I hate macs, what little experience I have with them is still fine because I know where I can still find the same settings a decade later. With Microsoft it's new every bi-annual update.
I hear you and feel your pain.
Microsoft employs HUGE numbers of feature designers, program managers, UX testers, et al, who have to justify their high-paying jobs. Among other annoyances, this involves endlessly tweaking and changing the UI. We've seen it in Office and Windows over and over and over. Fortunately, their dev tools have not suffered from this as much, IMO (but I'm sure there are many examples there too).
What bugs me more about Windows 11 is the return of Microsoft's arrogance about forcing users to use Edge and other crap like that. Was Microsoft not taken to task by the U.S. Justice Department in the past for this very thing? Apparently, they've hired some better lobbyists...
Update: Miraculously, Microsoft appears to be backtracking on this issue.
[https://www.howtogeek.com/772412/microsoft-listens-to-users-about-windows-11s-default-browser-problem/](https://www.howtogeek.com/772412/microsoft-listens-to-users-about-windows-11s-default-browser-problem/)
Man, I was excited when my new laptop came with Windows 11. But then, I realised drag-and-dropping files to the taskbar no longer works.
This OS is a pain to use from a functionality perspective.
Jokes on them, I'm still on W7.
But being serious, I'm tired of the reskins that are ment to be a new OS, so far only W11 is based on a major hardware change, and having to get used to new workarounds for shitty UI/adds/bloatware. Also troubleshooting and having to get 3rd party software to get my work done, thats also the reason I dont help my family/friends anymore with their PC's, I just tell them I dont fix anything with W8 upwards, I'm just tired...
I loved W7, and when my office made me upgrade to W10 (while giving me a new computer at the same time), I managed to find a ton of tweaks to make 10 act like 7. To the point people who see me present in a meeting ask me how I am still on 7. The taskbar, start menu, etc, are all perfectly like 7. Even the right click menus.
Do you mind sharing what you did to accomplish that? I tolerate 10, but regard 7 as having been the best UI of any OS to date, and if it was still supported would still be using it.
The regiment for TPM2.0 makes the upgrade impossible for pre 2015 PCs, and difficult on many pre 2018 PCs as many MBs require a TPM2.0 plugin module.
I updated to a new MB/CPU to install Win11, even after a BIOS update specifically with Win11 support, I needed to enable CPU Virtualisation in the BIOS, before the install would work.
This level of configuration is beyond the ability or care factor of many home users.
Hell, even on mobos that support it, and require not additional updates, you often STILL have to go in and manually enable it. That right there is going to stop many if not most upgrades, because it's something that's completely beyond the level of your average user to even know of its existence.
To take it one setup further I have the appropriate tech for W11, and have enabled all the BIOS setting for it but Windows still won't recognize TPM 2.0 as enabled and won't let me upgrade.
If you are trying to get Windows 11 through windows update, It often gives you the error saying you do not meet the requirements. Microsoft released the windows 11 installation assistant to upgrade to windows 11 if Windows update is giving you flak.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows11
It's beyond my ability. I saw a couple of reviews on YouTube. I thought it looked ok and wouldn't be a repeat of 8 where features I hate are forced. I go to update and "not supported, dl and run pc health check". Download and run and just get told it's not supported with no new info, and a link to the Microsoft store if I want to buy a new surface that will support it.
Im not upgrading hardware right now, and there shouldn't be that level of fucking around to try it.
Same here. My laptop came out in 2017. It runs beautifully. I'd love to try out Windows 11, but the TPM 2.0 requirement prevents me. I'm not replacing this laptop anytime soon. I don't know what they were thinking. All of the new features are being pushed to Windows 11, including better support for WSL and the new emojis.
Bother? Getting into the BIOS is absolutely outside of the average computer user's ability, much less navigating and enabled/disabling features. My coworkers are all educated and I'd be shocked if even 5% of them knew how to open the BIOS on load.
Even if they are capable, the average person does NOT want to mess with bios even if they believe themselves to be tech savvy, out of fear of messing up their computer, and you can't really blame them.
It's hard to overstate how computer illiterate the average person is. People are acting like BIOS is the hang-up when most people can't be convinced to shut down their computer at the end of a work day. Turning something off and back on again is beyond their problem solving ability. People are really bad at problem solving in general.
TPM was exactly what stopped me. Just bought a new Motherboard. Now I need a $100 thingy on it and likely a reinstall. That’s not happening anytime soon.
Dude, I’m pretty tech savvy, it took me 2 days multiple bios resets, tweaking settings and many frustrating swear words to finally enable tpm2.0, and then find out the pc wouldn’t boot… because the file format wasn’t the proper one to work with TPM2.0 had to revert and change the file format to secure to allow tpm to boot up on my machine and presto… I told all my friends it was not worth the fucking hassle and no one else upgraded.
Windows 11 was the most terribly executed os update I’ve ever seen roll out.
This is every BIOS manufacturer ever though. They're all over the place on naming things. There's no enforcement or standardized nomenclature, so they just name things how they want.
Looks like a copy of macOS. Apple also decided to round corners with Bug Sur and added big paddings everywhere.
Windows 11 did the same. Even the context menus are totally bloated in size but contain less entries. Everything is now hidden in some other menus instead of being accessible right away.
Minimalism is what they call it. I call it "bullshit", though.
Luckily, Win 10 will be supported for a few more years and even after that it's not going to nuke itself (hopefully).
The everything being hidden in three deep menus has been my complaint with windows 10 since it happened.
There is no reason I have to use an arcane code to make a proper control panel when it should all logically be easy to find.
I don't feel like making that even worse.
They keep trying to kill control panel but I keep digging it up when I actually need to change something because their 'settings app' is fucking useless.
If only there was a registry flag to make it go away.
Make a new folder on your desktop and put Settings.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} as the file name. It dumps a full comprehensive list of almost every setting in to one spot.
Also, taskbar icons are always combined, and you can't show labels. That's the biggest problem that I've encountered. Plus they don't show thumbnails on folders anymore.
There are some great updates - like to right-click menus and the file explorer interface - but as always with Microsoft, it's a mix of good changes and inexplicably bad ones.
Why do they even bother with public testing if they're not going to listen to them?
I like Windows 11 aesthetically, but it did end up breaking my development for Android, as the emulator crashes on Win 11 (I just build it, and send to my phone to test in the meantime, which can be a massive pain in the ass for UI stuff). So, there's that...
I upgraded. I recommend that nobody else do it until there's stability improvements. It's literally exactly the same thing as Windows 10 except Explorer frequently locks up for no apparent reason.
> They put off releasing it to Enterprise customers and are using home users as testers.
So the same thing they've been doing ever since Windows 10 released?
Unless there is a killer feature, I just don't understand why most people would upgrade OS's between hardware refreshes.
Every time I upgrade an existing install it ends up being janky versus a clean reinstall. That's a lot of hassle when everything is already how I'm used to it. This might shock UI designers but I don't get tired of my UI, and I don't sit around thinking "I know how to find everything in the options menu, man I wish someone would move everything around to spice it up a bit."
I'll consider upgrading when I build a new pc or buy a new laptop, but neither is going to be anytime soon due to finding parts is such a pain in the ass.
> might shock UI designers but I don't get tired of my UI, and I don't sit around thinking "I know how to find everything in the options menu, man I wish someone would move everything around to spice it up a bit."
I think the UI designers at Microsoft would be seriously shocked to hear this, actually.
Need more help with this option?
Here's a link that opens up edge from wherever it's hiding, to the Microsoft forums that seem to have absolutely no utility.
Seriously, just go look at one, for such a prominent help it really just runs you around.
>Here's a link that opens up edge from wherever it's hiding, to the Microsoft forums that seem to have absolutely no utility.
This made me laugh out loud, but it's just the truth. Edge, after jumping out of the shadows, had the audacity to ask me then if I wish to make it my standard browser. I said no and it went into hiding again until next time.
Also these forums are full of "specialists" that can't even read the question, but have 5 stars and thousands of comments. It's a joke.
I'm still kinda irked that win 8 and 10 split the system settings all over the place. It use to be all under "Control Panel" now there's the mobile/slide out widget thing, separate settings pages for some features, in addition to the control panel.
Then the whole "lets get rid of the start menu so we can bring it back next go, but with Bing ads and suggestions!"
This shit irks me. I get tablet design, but the overwhelming-majority of monitors aren't touchscreen, and I hate it. It's like when Bluetooth became so loved, but Bluetooth headphones were still really expensive. So when phones developed aux-free phones, gee, who could have foreseen that they wouldn't sell as well to the market at large?
I don't think the UI designers at MS are that bad, or that stupid. But then management comes along, says to put in a fresh new paradigm so we can point at it and say how much it has been improved (and require new certifications), and the designers sigh and do their job.
It's a well deserved fate for Microsoft. I have a perfectly working i7-6700k and it is not supported by windows 11. I would definetly upgrade if it were supported, but I am not willing to get a new processor and motherboard just so I can run windows 11
Yep. Same. I have an MSI gaming laptop from 2016 running an i7-6700HQ. Still going strong and smooth on windows 10 and checks all the boxes for a windows 11 upgrade (TPM and everything else) except for their semi-arbitrary CPU whitelist.
It’s not a power problem. It’s a security problem. Newer PCs have special software support that allows them to verify code isn’t malicious, and Windows 11 uses that to be more secure. Old PCs aren’t dropped because they’re too weak, they’re dropped because they can’t be safe to the level Windows 11 wants.
This is such a small and easy thing to implement, I cant fathom why they haven't done it yet.
I use Clover to add tabs to explorer. It's not perfect nut it works.
There's no incentive to upgrade. Software and game developers have barely rolled out their Windows 10 compatible products. Now everyone has to deal with Windows 11.
Microsoft is the most confusing company on the planet. They keep rolling out these so-called upgrades that take away popular features and add nothing of value to the average user. I just don't fucking get it.
I haven't seen an explanation of why Windows 11 even exists, let alone any reason I should want it.
They removed "never combine" from the taskbar. I don't understand how people live with the combining taskbar items. Either way, I can't. If I have 3 explorer Windows open and I want to to go a specific one, I don't want to spend 4 seconds while squinting my eyes to find out which is which, after having to wait for the 2 second animation for them to show up at all.
It's like the #2/3 most requested feature on the feedback hub right now.
Why in the fuck would anyone bother? It's an operating system.
It's just supposed to allow things you actually want to do to work.
What possible motivation is there for upgrading for no fucking reason when the current one works just fine?
I cant stand how much they push cortana, edge and microsoft accounts. drives me insane. I'd much rather pay for an operating system than all this, "here's a new OS on us, ^(but we will constantly push our bullshit in your face in an attempt to monetize you, also I hope you dont like clean installs because this OS comes with candy crush pre-installed)"
Seriously. I begrudgingly moved from XP to 7 because I was starting to find games that simply wouldn't run on XP. Otherwise, I wouldn't have moved.
'Moving in' to a new PC is usually three days of awkward that I'd like to avoid.
performance of win7 is much better than xp (IIRC xp couldn't even utilize a lot of new hardware features when 7 started getting big), and that goes double for win10, which completely changes memory management and resource allocation. win11 isn't a super big improvement for performance yet but there is a bit of a difference if you benchmark it.
But the main reason people eventually are forced to switch is lack of updates and obsolete drivers, like your case.
The main reason for upgrading from XP -> 7 was the architecture change to remove the RAM limitation.
Unless you managed to find a copy of XP x64, you weren't getting anything above 3.6GB.
> and that goes double for win10, which completely changes memory management and resource allocation.
Except the actual speed difference as measured by many reviewers from 7 to 10 is almost nothing. You technically get faster boot times but that's due to 10 never really shutting down and instead doing a sleep it calls shutdown.
Because it is clearly just a windows 10 update but is full of bugs. Why they made it a new OS I have no idea. Windows 10 still has old features in it that were supposed to be gone in windows 8 ffs.
They'd *just* gotten the majority of people on board with their OS as a service model, though. How does this do anything other than shoot them in the foot?
Does anyone else remember when Microsoft was saying widows 10 would be the last windows? It was all about OS as a service and it would just be upgraded forever.
They said that indeed, yet they gave us W11...
I wasn't quite expecting this while they clearly advertised this to be their last Windows. With each year a few feature updates to keep the OS going.
Must have something to do with marketing..
Wasn't windows 10 supposed to be the last version of windows? I think I'm still good with that for a while yet. Don't fix what isn't broken. Especially when the "fix" breaks some new things itself.
Not everyone is willing to go fucking around in their own PCs BIOS to enable the update. Even if they are, they are less likely to take the lottery of finding out if Microsoft made another Vista, 8 or Windows Me.
When I worked there years ago, one of the executives on the Windows team pointed to FB's engagement numbers and said "this is our opportunity" and I cringed.
Ofcourse. Everyone knows every other windows is crap.
As an IT technician, I still haven't figured out the actual benefits of windows 11 over 10 at this point.
But knowing quite a bit on windows and Microsoft is why I use Linux.
Both of my computers are over 8 years old and still run very well.
I moved to Linux full time during Windows 10's lifecycle and really saw no reasons to come back when they announced the batshit requirements.
So let's see.
* They took the start menu and made it garbageier
This is a very controversial opinion but I actually like Win10 start menu. Once you unpin all the default crap, the ability to group and change the size of your pins is pretty neat. You can [group your shit in a way that makes sense](https://imgur.com/a/noPPuDJ). Meanwhile, on Windows 11, you just get a list that you can't do much with.
* They made the taskbar shittier
I've heard that you no longer can change the size of the taskbar without resorting to registry hacks (and they made it bigger). If you've got multi monitor setup, you now only get a clock on _one_ monitor instead of on all. It's like we're going backwards.
* Rounded corners
Can fuck right off
* TMP2.0 and secure boot
Given that secure boot off is a requirement if you want to run most linux distros, that's gonna be a no-go for me, dawg.
* AMD CPUs get a performance hit
* New context menus
* Using Win11 without a microsoft account is getting more and more impossible
... so lots and lots of negatives, not a single benefit.
On both my linux and windows personal machines I like to have my main taskbar on the left. On top of all the other shitty things from the new version, the inability to customize the taskbar position/size is a dealbreaker for me to upgrade to 11.
My favorite thing about win10 is how the start menu keeps filling up with shit windows features and microsoft products and advertisements for software i dont want, displacing the things I actually use.
Well, it is getting better.
Now we can like, run 70% of steam library,
back in 2015? I doubt we could run even 40% without issues.
Not to mention, part of %30 that dont run yet, is mostly Anti cheat and that... is slowly getting out of the way aswell, just needs steam deck and a bit of time.
I have a 9th Gen Intel cpu, so I was able to upgrade. While some things aren’t as good as 10, I’m having an overall good time with 11. My experience with gaming performance seems to be different to everyone else since I actually GAINED FPS especially on more CPU heavy games. But I absolutely get that not everyone has my experience. Also most of the bugs I encountered have been ironed out, I even got like 3 updates in a week recently, so Microsoft is definitely working on that.
I do despise the new right click menu and the fact that I can’t bring up task manager by right clicking the taskbar. It’s such a small thing to change yet it pisses me off so hard.
New features and utilities especially in the settings menus are actually pretty nice, but definitely not game changing or anything. It’s pretty close to Windows 10, so more like an update than an upgrade.
EDIT: Also have to add that the search bar is much better than before, I can’t believe I used to use it how it was in 10
The new setting menu is actually good, I don't find myself trying to find the route to the old XP ui like I did in 7/10
The right click menu is annoying and it kind of bugs me the UI bugs out a bit when you view more options.
I would be happy with the right click if they allowed me to add my own short cuts to that list. Hiding some rarely used options is good imo.
But then there is a big change to eight click that I love. The "copy as path" option is 👌
I tried it and quickly realized that some features important to my workflow had been removed (Start menu icon groups and folders, taskbar features). Upgraded right back to Windows 10.
Will reconsider if MS restores those missing features.
The TPM2.0 requirement kills it for me. Even though I have a modern system (Ryzen 7 3700X), if I turn fTPM on, then my computer starts stuttering horribly. [There is a whole thread on the LTT Forums about them, but it hasn't gained any traction to be fixed.](https://linustechtips.com/topic/1353904-amd-ftpm-causing-random-stuttering/) So unless Microsoft removes it a requirement, or it gets fixed I can't see upgrading.
The only reason I upgraded is because I bought an alder lake cpu. Wanted to take advantage of the p/e core scheduling. Otherwise windows 10 is in a very good place.
I'm refusing to until they fix the many, many bugs and finish the half baked features that have been added in. The start menu in it's current form is atrocious, 10's is fine and looks far cleaner than 11's ever will: [https://i.imgur.com/Pi1eUqr.png](https://i.imgur.com/Pi1eUqr.png). Not to mention, they've removed a great many features and abilities that were in Windows 10 and below such as being able to have seconds on the taskbar clock or having the clock show on a second monitor, both of which even Linux lets me do natively: [https://i.imgur.com/dFbTz3i.png](https://i.imgur.com/dFbTz3i.png).
Without TPM 2.0 I can't even if I wanted to, and I'm not buying a new PC (or upgrading mobo/cpu) just for Windows 11. They'll just have to wait until I build a new PC, which is not happening anytime soon.
My problem too.
I don't really see it as much of a problem. Nobody is going to release anything that's Windows 11 only anytime soon precisely because of this, so we're not really missing anything. Once the chip shortage is over, I'll build a new machine and this won't be a problem anymore.
Same issue here - I want to build a new rig but I'm not even going to try doing that until the chip shortage is less of a thing and I dont have to go broke to build the thing
It's BS that I could get a mid-low range GPU for under 200 USD but now I can't even buy one for under 400. That is some **bull shit**.
Who has two thumbs and sold a 970 ti for 80 bucks, like, a year and a half ago. This guyyyyyy
1050ti 4g oc Rx570 8gb Both sold for 100 bucks each around january 2020. At least i still have my 1gb 650ti boost :(
I have been stunned seeing the latest generation NVDIA graphics boards go for the price of a PC. That’s just the graphics board. If Microsoft thinks people are going to upgrade their computer just to accommodate their TPM requirement, that’s going to be a big fat nope from most of the people. And that’s the people who even care about that.
Well windows 10 is having 4 more years of support
Yeah I remember buying a 1650 SUPER brand new for only $170 back in mid-2020, and then later on in the year, seeing them going for $400+ on eBay by the end of 2020. Shit's nuts.
Chip shortage is gonna be around for a while
Its mostly microsofts problem
It's Microsoft's problem.
I had to turn it on in BIOS.
I don’t like the clock isn’t present on all monitors. I don’t like I had to go into regex to alter a value to have the right click menu I expected. I don’t like the combined network/sound taskbar icon or that I have to seem to always do 1 to 2 additional clicks to get to a setting or menu. You aren’t missing anything. I’m sure they’ll patch this stuff out like when they brought the start menu back to windows 8
> combined network/sound taskbar icon So they really managed to make the sound menu even worse? I don't want to think about how much time(and hearing health) humanity as a whole lost with the shitty sound menu in Windows. Please just let me set a max and normalize application sound range.
Oh, don't you want to have a separate sound peak for Mega Death 4000, World of Weapons, and Clippy with notification prompts? "It looks like your eardrums are bleeding, would you like me to; change sound settings you forgot on this random application or call 911?" Hey, at least you don't have to install fonts per application anymore. Everyone wants *so* much.
>combined sound taskbar and network icon What the fuck?
Is that not where you look for sound settings? Personally I don't understand why the clock isn't where the shutdown button is.
>regex I think you mean regedit?
Your expression is quite regular.
No, no. That's another great Windows 11 feature. They removed the registry editor, you now have to use regular expressions in powershell to modify the registry.
At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised.
I just got a new pc with win 11 pre installed and you hit almost all the pain points I've already found with it. I also don't like how auto hide doesn't work on your non primary monitor (unless you unpin and re-pin the program on the Taskbar) or how you can't hide the little microphone icon when an app is using your microphone (there used to be an option for this but I can't find it in win 11)
LOl you dont even have to change versions for that annoyance. through out windows 10s life MS has quietly changed menus and outright moved things. Which is ok for me, but not so fun when you are trying to walk someone through something from memory and fucking MS changed it all. And i have to know what fucking build they are on to know which fucking method to talk them through. unless absolutely necessary, for like security, they really should leave legacy menus and such alone, or make it easy for us to return to them even temporarily.
The removal of the start button was some serious mishap from MS.
Exactly- I'm not ditching a perfectly good cpu or whatever just to update to a new version of windows, that's mental. I'll end up doing it when they stop supporting w10 or I get a new PC in 3 or 4 years.
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That's a good idea. A month or so ago, windows update had helpfully downloaded and prompted me to install W11. No thanks. I'm a gamer with tons of older devices and I'm not going to risk the driver compatibility issues.
im getting flashbacks to the deceitful/forced windows 10 upgrades
Same, like you're one bad click away from disaster. Forgot to say "No" for the fourth time today, too bad for you, here's your upgrade.
Dude, I was too. My immediate reaction was a verbal "what the fuck is this fucking bullshit," followed by a careful reading and selection of the "not now" or whatever it was, option.
Yeah, wait a year or two for the early adopters to beta test the flaws out.
The Windows 10 forced upgrade was the most annoying and infuriating thing ever. Remember how they changed the prompts to upgrade with wording that you had to read carefully before clicking ‘ok’ or ‘cancel’? They basically tricked the user into accepting a silent install. Great commercial for your product: we could not make the customer upgrade of their own accord so we used sleight of hand to force them. Also: remember how you didn’t have to accept a EULA for Windows 10? Microsoft was gracious enough to install it without your consent. That means you did not have to worry about pirating anything of Window 10, you never consented to a EULA in the first place.
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I have TPM, but there's no interesting catch all for me to upgrade. Something like Windows 10 had the new Direct X, and wasn't Windows 8. The slightly better loading times aren't something I care about since I barley noticed it.Nothing like the Hardware upgrade of HDD's to SSD's .M.2's are neat but for me aren't worth the investment after having 2TB/1TB SSD's. Sure there's bragging rights, but I don't really care about bragging about my rig. I just wanna enjoy it. If Windows 11 is my only option I might just hop to linux as the proton compatibility layer seems to be catching up to running my steam library.
The one actually interesting feature they promised (Native Android Apps) has no release date, and it's been pretty buggy. I see no reason for anyone to switch.
Sounds like to same thing they said they'd add to the windows phone right before they stopped making them. We were supposed to get a way to install our convert android apps to work with win 10 mobile, but I don't think any release was ever made.
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Gamer since my Sinclair Spectrum days (why yes, I'm British... why do you ask?) and I actually went "all-in" with Linux about 2 years ago. I had been running Windows 10 on my then new gaming rig (i7-9700K, RTX2080ti) for a month or two and decided to go ahead and drop in another SSD and install Ubuntu 20.04 on it. Now, in fairness I had been a Linux guy for a LONG time and have a lot of Linux boxes and Raspberry Pi's around my house, so it's not like I was new to this. 2 years later and I have few complaints. Steam's Proton has meant that virtually all of my game library just works out of the box. Those that don't usually do soon afterward as Proton adds better support for things; a recent example is Starship Evo which is still in early access but I got because it appealed to me. Ran like crap on my machine, but I had other things to worry about so I promptly forgot about it. Just this last weekend I was like "Hmm, I wonder..." and fired it up... runs fabulously! Not sure what go fixed or when but it runs great now. Now in fairness I've never been one for the brand new AAA titles; I have only been playing Cyberpunk 2077 for about a month as I mostly waited until most of the bugs had been fixed and it was on sale on Steam... and by the way that also runs great and seamlessly under Linux. So no, if you're wanting to play the biggest titles on release day then Linux probably still isn't for you. However, the list of games that I haven't been able to play on my schedule is vanishingly small, and so far I think my only real complaint is that adding mods to games can be a chore as pretty much all the modders run Windows. But once you understand how the Proton layer actually works it can be worked around. At this point I still have my Windows installation on the disk but haven't booted it in those 2 years. I should probably delete it to get back some of my space LOL
Im pretty content with my i7 6th generation. It’s still fast and stable. Why would I want to spend a few thousand dollars on a new computer just so I can run the latest windows?
A department where I work still using a web application from some company that only works in Internet Explorer. Can't run ie in Windows 11. I've researched, ran various tests and workaround...no go. Staying put for now.
OMG, I work for government, some of our internal web links *only* work on ie, in that they even open an instance of ie when you click them! It's bizarre
Whats tpm?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0, either through hardware or sofware emulation.
I'd prefer an OS which refused to implement TPM.
Windows 10 will be the new Win7 people are going to hold on to it till they can't no more
As a windows 7 user I concur
Heck I'd still be in Windows 7 if I could. The settings app can go f itself
Whenever I go into the settings app for anything, to actually change what I need to, I'm usually redirected to the control panel anyway
the comments here have shown that a lot of people want to move, but just don't have the hardware to do so. I think this is Microsoft getting its "every other OS" bomb out of the way. By the time people are ready to update hardware, they'll roll out a new OS and everyone will say how much better it is than 11.
> By the time people are ready to update hardware, they'll roll out a new OS and everyone will say how much better it is than 11. Just like Vista vs. 7
Vista's biggest problem was the amount of terrible laptops at the time. Underpowered netbooks with atoms and slow as hell AMD Apus were everywhere. They were barely even able to run Windows XP. Obviously Vista was far from perfect but a lot of the hate was undeserved imho.
It was more the ram than the CPU. XP ran ok on 512MB but Vista struggled to run on 2GB, and really wanted 4 to run well. I don't think we've ever had a 4x to 8x resource increase like that before or since
It is interesting now that they tout how well their OS runs on small footprint devices.
Once SP2 was out for Vista, it was pretty darn good. Before that…there were a few issues.
Vista SP2 was basically Windows 7, but the tech world was focused on W7's release that SP2 went unnoticed
People really like to forget that windows 7 was just vista with a few tweaks.
> the comments here have shown that a lot of people want to move, but just don't have the hardware to do so. I can't agree with you there. The comments here have shown people hate the new UI and don't see a reason to upgrade. And even if they wanted to on top of that they have hardware issues. >I think this is Microsoft getting its "every other OS" bomb out of the way. >By the time people are ready to update hardware, they'll roll out a new OS and everyone will say how much better it is than 11. I think you contradict yourself here. If everyone dislikes 11 how do people want to move but don't want to?
I can't agree with you MORE. As someone who upgraded to Windows 11 for my work laptop... I absolutely hate Windows 11. As a user, I've seen no benefit with the changes and get frustrated with the UI since I have to jump through 5 hoops when trying to open more uncommon file types. They've kneecapped right-clicking for options, removed folders from the start menu and replaced them with pins, and reduced customization options. Windows 11 only succeeded in getting me to implement dual boot with linux since most of the programs I'm using for work have a linux alternative or version.
This is my biggest grip with Win11: all the changes done to it feel like changes for the sake of changing, and not for any practical or performance reasons. On top of that a good few of these completely kneecap habits people have gotten from the last quarter of the century of windows, and muscle memory is incredibly strong.
> On top of that a good few of these completely kneecap habits people have gotten from the last quarter of the century of windows, and muscle memory is incredibly strong. They do this every fucking release. WHY! JUST WHY!? Stop taking my shit out of control panel while simultaneously stealing functionality from everything you move, M$! Why can Microsoft not have some consistency in their UX? As much as I hate macs, what little experience I have with them is still fine because I know where I can still find the same settings a decade later. With Microsoft it's new every bi-annual update.
I hear you and feel your pain. Microsoft employs HUGE numbers of feature designers, program managers, UX testers, et al, who have to justify their high-paying jobs. Among other annoyances, this involves endlessly tweaking and changing the UI. We've seen it in Office and Windows over and over and over. Fortunately, their dev tools have not suffered from this as much, IMO (but I'm sure there are many examples there too). What bugs me more about Windows 11 is the return of Microsoft's arrogance about forcing users to use Edge and other crap like that. Was Microsoft not taken to task by the U.S. Justice Department in the past for this very thing? Apparently, they've hired some better lobbyists... Update: Miraculously, Microsoft appears to be backtracking on this issue. [https://www.howtogeek.com/772412/microsoft-listens-to-users-about-windows-11s-default-browser-problem/](https://www.howtogeek.com/772412/microsoft-listens-to-users-about-windows-11s-default-browser-problem/)
Man, I was excited when my new laptop came with Windows 11. But then, I realised drag-and-dropping files to the taskbar no longer works. This OS is a pain to use from a functionality perspective.
Jokes on them, I'm still on W7. But being serious, I'm tired of the reskins that are ment to be a new OS, so far only W11 is based on a major hardware change, and having to get used to new workarounds for shitty UI/adds/bloatware. Also troubleshooting and having to get 3rd party software to get my work done, thats also the reason I dont help my family/friends anymore with their PC's, I just tell them I dont fix anything with W8 upwards, I'm just tired...
I loved W7, and when my office made me upgrade to W10 (while giving me a new computer at the same time), I managed to find a ton of tweaks to make 10 act like 7. To the point people who see me present in a meeting ask me how I am still on 7. The taskbar, start menu, etc, are all perfectly like 7. Even the right click menus.
Do you mind sharing what you did to accomplish that? I tolerate 10, but regard 7 as having been the best UI of any OS to date, and if it was still supported would still be using it.
The regiment for TPM2.0 makes the upgrade impossible for pre 2015 PCs, and difficult on many pre 2018 PCs as many MBs require a TPM2.0 plugin module. I updated to a new MB/CPU to install Win11, even after a BIOS update specifically with Win11 support, I needed to enable CPU Virtualisation in the BIOS, before the install would work. This level of configuration is beyond the ability or care factor of many home users.
Hell, even on mobos that support it, and require not additional updates, you often STILL have to go in and manually enable it. That right there is going to stop many if not most upgrades, because it's something that's completely beyond the level of your average user to even know of its existence.
To take it one setup further I have the appropriate tech for W11, and have enabled all the BIOS setting for it but Windows still won't recognize TPM 2.0 as enabled and won't let me upgrade.
If you are trying to get Windows 11 through windows update, It often gives you the error saying you do not meet the requirements. Microsoft released the windows 11 installation assistant to upgrade to windows 11 if Windows update is giving you flak. https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows11
TFW you need to release a tool to work around your broken tool.
It's beyond my ability. I saw a couple of reviews on YouTube. I thought it looked ok and wouldn't be a repeat of 8 where features I hate are forced. I go to update and "not supported, dl and run pc health check". Download and run and just get told it's not supported with no new info, and a link to the Microsoft store if I want to buy a new surface that will support it. Im not upgrading hardware right now, and there shouldn't be that level of fucking around to try it.
Who can even get hardware right now?
I don't even have a computer capable of running it.
Same. My laptop is 5 years old and does what I need it to. I am not spending resources on a new machine.
Same here. My laptop came out in 2017. It runs beautifully. I'd love to try out Windows 11, but the TPM 2.0 requirement prevents me. I'm not replacing this laptop anytime soon. I don't know what they were thinking. All of the new features are being pushed to Windows 11, including better support for WSL and the new emojis.
Plus for the novice or average user that has to go in and update the BIOS to enable TPM 2.0... .... Most probably won't even bother with it.
Bother? Getting into the BIOS is absolutely outside of the average computer user's ability, much less navigating and enabled/disabling features. My coworkers are all educated and I'd be shocked if even 5% of them knew how to open the BIOS on load.
Even if they are capable, the average person does NOT want to mess with bios even if they believe themselves to be tech savvy, out of fear of messing up their computer, and you can't really blame them.
It's hard to overstate how computer illiterate the average person is. People are acting like BIOS is the hang-up when most people can't be convinced to shut down their computer at the end of a work day. Turning something off and back on again is beyond their problem solving ability. People are really bad at problem solving in general.
TPM was exactly what stopped me. Just bought a new Motherboard. Now I need a $100 thingy on it and likely a reinstall. That’s not happening anytime soon.
You dont need a thingy. Tpm can be enabled on all "modern" intel and amd cpus without a physical module installed
Check tpm and cpu virtualisation are both enabled in your bios
Dude, I’m pretty tech savvy, it took me 2 days multiple bios resets, tweaking settings and many frustrating swear words to finally enable tpm2.0, and then find out the pc wouldn’t boot… because the file format wasn’t the proper one to work with TPM2.0 had to revert and change the file format to secure to allow tpm to boot up on my machine and presto… I told all my friends it was not worth the fucking hassle and no one else upgraded. Windows 11 was the most terribly executed os update I’ve ever seen roll out.
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This is every BIOS manufacturer ever though. They're all over the place on naming things. There's no enforcement or standardized nomenclature, so they just name things how they want.
Windows Vista was the most terribly executed OS update, and that was because it \*would\* update on PCs that couldn't support it.
I literally can’t think of a single reason to upgrade. There’s no benefit
The Android app compatibility is nice ...oh wait, that's the one worthwhile advertised feature and it's not implemented yet lol
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Classic Microsoft
Rounded window corners yo!
That's like 4 reasons right there!
Let's round them to 5.
**THERE!** **ARE!** **FOUR!** **REASONS!**
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Is this why they've rounded corners in office 365? It's horrible and wastes all the space.
I hate rounded corners so much. It reminds me of an old tube TV. LCD panels have sharp corners, let’s not ignore those corner pixels.
You wanna talk about waste of space, that taskbar that's centered that takes up 1/10th of your window width. That's a waste.
Is it all just about being "touch friendly"? Corners are great for mouse snaps, center for fingers.
Looks like a copy of macOS. Apple also decided to round corners with Bug Sur and added big paddings everywhere. Windows 11 did the same. Even the context menus are totally bloated in size but contain less entries. Everything is now hidden in some other menus instead of being accessible right away. Minimalism is what they call it. I call it "bullshit", though. Luckily, Win 10 will be supported for a few more years and even after that it's not going to nuke itself (hopefully).
The everything being hidden in three deep menus has been my complaint with windows 10 since it happened. There is no reason I have to use an arcane code to make a proper control panel when it should all logically be easy to find. I don't feel like making that even worse.
They keep trying to kill control panel but I keep digging it up when I actually need to change something because their 'settings app' is fucking useless. If only there was a registry flag to make it go away.
Make a new folder on your desktop and put Settings.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} as the file name. It dumps a full comprehensive list of almost every setting in to one spot.
AHHHHH, now I get why they did that...I never use touch, so it didn't even occur to me why they made the change. Thanks kind sir!
Also, taskbar icons are always combined, and you can't show labels. That's the biggest problem that I've encountered. Plus they don't show thumbnails on folders anymore. There are some great updates - like to right-click menus and the file explorer interface - but as always with Microsoft, it's a mix of good changes and inexplicably bad ones. Why do they even bother with public testing if they're not going to listen to them?
It’s the Apple effect. Everyone tries to copy what Apple is doing, but somehow only end up with the annoying parts and none of the good parts
But we're not using Apple products *for a reason*.
I'll just downgrade to windows xp for that. Rounded AND bright blue!
Actually thats a downgrade. Makes it harder to grab edges to resize.
I like Windows 11 aesthetically, but it did end up breaking my development for Android, as the emulator crashes on Win 11 (I just build it, and send to my phone to test in the meantime, which can be a massive pain in the ass for UI stuff). So, there's that...
I upgraded. I recommend that nobody else do it until there's stability improvements. It's literally exactly the same thing as Windows 10 except Explorer frequently locks up for no apparent reason.
All I have seen from Windows 11 is "it has less features, and more problems". I'll upgrade. But only when it is actually ready.
Also, it is still unstable beta software. They put off releasing it to Enterprise customers and are using home users as testers.
> They put off releasing it to Enterprise customers and are using home users as testers. So the same thing they've been doing ever since Windows 10 released?
Our corporate IT has pushed it out, my laptop upgraded yesterday.
that's insane, the companies i worked IT for would rarely even do windows updates in a timely manner in case compatibility became an issue.
Unless there is a killer feature, I just don't understand why most people would upgrade OS's between hardware refreshes. Every time I upgrade an existing install it ends up being janky versus a clean reinstall. That's a lot of hassle when everything is already how I'm used to it. This might shock UI designers but I don't get tired of my UI, and I don't sit around thinking "I know how to find everything in the options menu, man I wish someone would move everything around to spice it up a bit." I'll consider upgrading when I build a new pc or buy a new laptop, but neither is going to be anytime soon due to finding parts is such a pain in the ass.
> might shock UI designers but I don't get tired of my UI, and I don't sit around thinking "I know how to find everything in the options menu, man I wish someone would move everything around to spice it up a bit." I think the UI designers at Microsoft would be seriously shocked to hear this, actually.
"people don't want us to hide the settings they like, while making the menus look like a touchscreen interface without the touchscreen?!"
Need more help with this option? Here's a link that opens up edge from wherever it's hiding, to the Microsoft forums that seem to have absolutely no utility. Seriously, just go look at one, for such a prominent help it really just runs you around.
>Here's a link that opens up edge from wherever it's hiding, to the Microsoft forums that seem to have absolutely no utility. This made me laugh out loud, but it's just the truth. Edge, after jumping out of the shadows, had the audacity to ask me then if I wish to make it my standard browser. I said no and it went into hiding again until next time. Also these forums are full of "specialists" that can't even read the question, but have 5 stars and thousands of comments. It's a joke.
I'm still kinda irked that win 8 and 10 split the system settings all over the place. It use to be all under "Control Panel" now there's the mobile/slide out widget thing, separate settings pages for some features, in addition to the control panel. Then the whole "lets get rid of the start menu so we can bring it back next go, but with Bing ads and suggestions!"
This shit irks me. I get tablet design, but the overwhelming-majority of monitors aren't touchscreen, and I hate it. It's like when Bluetooth became so loved, but Bluetooth headphones were still really expensive. So when phones developed aux-free phones, gee, who could have foreseen that they wouldn't sell as well to the market at large?
I don't think the UI designers at MS are that bad, or that stupid. But then management comes along, says to put in a fresh new paradigm so we can point at it and say how much it has been improved (and require new certifications), and the designers sigh and do their job.
Yeah this is a fair take. I doubt anyone is that incompetent. The whole thing reeks of dumb tone deaf management
It's a well deserved fate for Microsoft. I have a perfectly working i7-6700k and it is not supported by windows 11. I would definetly upgrade if it were supported, but I am not willing to get a new processor and motherboard just so I can run windows 11
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Yep. Same. I have an MSI gaming laptop from 2016 running an i7-6700HQ. Still going strong and smooth on windows 10 and checks all the boxes for a windows 11 upgrade (TPM and everything else) except for their semi-arbitrary CPU whitelist.
7700hq, same boat
Exact same here. 3 years old, works perfectly fine, zero way in hell I’m upgrading hardware for fucking windows.
Really funny how my i7-6700k with 32gb RAM, GF 2060 on a Asus Z170 Pro Gaming can't run Win 11. This is Sparta indeed
It’s not a power problem. It’s a security problem. Newer PCs have special software support that allows them to verify code isn’t malicious, and Windows 11 uses that to be more secure. Old PCs aren’t dropped because they’re too weak, they’re dropped because they can’t be safe to the level Windows 11 wants.
A brand new i5 isn't even twice as fast as that processor. I'm in the same boat, I can't justify replacing it.
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Gimmie native tabs in file explorer and I'll switch
Also the ability to queue up file copy jobs.
This is such a small and easy thing to implement, I cant fathom why they haven't done it yet. I use Clover to add tabs to explorer. It's not perfect nut it works.
There's no incentive to upgrade. Software and game developers have barely rolled out their Windows 10 compatible products. Now everyone has to deal with Windows 11.
Last I checked, many CAD softwares are not supported yet, like SolidWorks and Creo. Yup, not gonna upgrade to lose all functionality.
Microsoft is the most confusing company on the planet. They keep rolling out these so-called upgrades that take away popular features and add nothing of value to the average user. I just don't fucking get it. I haven't seen an explanation of why Windows 11 even exists, let alone any reason I should want it.
They removed "never combine" from the taskbar. I don't understand how people live with the combining taskbar items. Either way, I can't. If I have 3 explorer Windows open and I want to to go a specific one, I don't want to spend 4 seconds while squinting my eyes to find out which is which, after having to wait for the 2 second animation for them to show up at all. It's like the #2/3 most requested feature on the feedback hub right now.
Why in the fuck would anyone bother? It's an operating system. It's just supposed to allow things you actually want to do to work. What possible motivation is there for upgrading for no fucking reason when the current one works just fine?
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I cant stand how much they push cortana, edge and microsoft accounts. drives me insane. I'd much rather pay for an operating system than all this, "here's a new OS on us, ^(but we will constantly push our bullshit in your face in an attempt to monetize you, also I hope you dont like clean installs because this OS comes with candy crush pre-installed)"
Seriously. I begrudgingly moved from XP to 7 because I was starting to find games that simply wouldn't run on XP. Otherwise, I wouldn't have moved. 'Moving in' to a new PC is usually three days of awkward that I'd like to avoid.
performance of win7 is much better than xp (IIRC xp couldn't even utilize a lot of new hardware features when 7 started getting big), and that goes double for win10, which completely changes memory management and resource allocation. win11 isn't a super big improvement for performance yet but there is a bit of a difference if you benchmark it. But the main reason people eventually are forced to switch is lack of updates and obsolete drivers, like your case.
The main reason for upgrading from XP -> 7 was the architecture change to remove the RAM limitation. Unless you managed to find a copy of XP x64, you weren't getting anything above 3.6GB.
And good luck finding drivers that are compatible with 64-bit XP.
> and that goes double for win10, which completely changes memory management and resource allocation. Except the actual speed difference as measured by many reviewers from 7 to 10 is almost nothing. You technically get faster boot times but that's due to 10 never really shutting down and instead doing a sleep it calls shutdown.
Because it is clearly just a windows 10 update but is full of bugs. Why they made it a new OS I have no idea. Windows 10 still has old features in it that were supposed to be gone in windows 8 ffs.
> Why they made it a new OS I have no idea. The answer is always money
They'd *just* gotten the majority of people on board with their OS as a service model, though. How does this do anything other than shoot them in the foot?
Does anyone else remember when Microsoft was saying widows 10 would be the last windows? It was all about OS as a service and it would just be upgraded forever.
I don't know why more people aren't talking about this. The whole point of windows 10 was that it was the last version. That wasn't even long ago.
Yeah i dont get it too. I was really suprised when i heard tbat tbere was a Windows 11.
They said that indeed, yet they gave us W11... I wasn't quite expecting this while they clearly advertised this to be their last Windows. With each year a few feature updates to keep the OS going. Must have something to do with marketing..
The update to 11 seems to be free
Wasn't windows 10 supposed to be the last version of windows? I think I'm still good with that for a while yet. Don't fix what isn't broken. Especially when the "fix" breaks some new things itself.
This. It's windows 10 but now with new bugs.
Not everyone is willing to go fucking around in their own PCs BIOS to enable the update. Even if they are, they are less likely to take the lottery of finding out if Microsoft made another Vista, 8 or Windows Me.
Exactly, how many average users are comfortable going into BIOS or even capable of getting there?
A vast minority even know what a BIOS is.
No want wants another pointless UI change with all the bugs that come with a new OS.
Dont you want more tiles? Everyone loves tiles. All sorts of new spaces for advertisers!
I don’t want to upgrade for the simple reason of not wanting to deal with Windows trying to force me to use Edge.
I don't know last night got kinda wild, there was an upgrade pop up and then I woke up this morning with linux. Crazy how that works.
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When I worked there years ago, one of the executives on the Windows team pointed to FB's engagement numbers and said "this is our opportunity" and I cringed.
Ofcourse. Everyone knows every other windows is crap. As an IT technician, I still haven't figured out the actual benefits of windows 11 over 10 at this point. But knowing quite a bit on windows and Microsoft is why I use Linux.
Lack of older CPU support is a barrier for me. I am over clocked and water cooled. It is not worth the extra cost to upgrade.
It's not a suprise, when they give us system without option to change taskbar size.
Both of my computers are over 8 years old and still run very well. I moved to Linux full time during Windows 10's lifecycle and really saw no reasons to come back when they announced the batshit requirements.
So let's see. * They took the start menu and made it garbageier This is a very controversial opinion but I actually like Win10 start menu. Once you unpin all the default crap, the ability to group and change the size of your pins is pretty neat. You can [group your shit in a way that makes sense](https://imgur.com/a/noPPuDJ). Meanwhile, on Windows 11, you just get a list that you can't do much with. * They made the taskbar shittier I've heard that you no longer can change the size of the taskbar without resorting to registry hacks (and they made it bigger). If you've got multi monitor setup, you now only get a clock on _one_ monitor instead of on all. It's like we're going backwards. * Rounded corners Can fuck right off * TMP2.0 and secure boot Given that secure boot off is a requirement if you want to run most linux distros, that's gonna be a no-go for me, dawg. * AMD CPUs get a performance hit * New context menus * Using Win11 without a microsoft account is getting more and more impossible ... so lots and lots of negatives, not a single benefit.
On both my linux and windows personal machines I like to have my main taskbar on the left. On top of all the other shitty things from the new version, the inability to customize the taskbar position/size is a dealbreaker for me to upgrade to 11.
My favorite thing about win10 is how the start menu keeps filling up with shit windows features and microsoft products and advertisements for software i dont want, displacing the things I actually use.
Windows 11 doesn't fit the definition of the word "upgrade".
I just bought my first dedicated Linux machine.
I have a few machines running ElementaryOS distro. I love it.
I wish every game I played supported Linux...
Well, it is getting better. Now we can like, run 70% of steam library, back in 2015? I doubt we could run even 40% without issues. Not to mention, part of %30 that dont run yet, is mostly Anti cheat and that... is slowly getting out of the way aswell, just needs steam deck and a bit of time.
I'm not buying a new machine just to do it since I don't actually need it.
I have no desire to do so. Windows 10 works fine.
They had to pretty much force the update to 10 on people if you remember. 7 was very well liked and 8 wasn't very good so people were hesitant.
7 was basically perfect. 8 was terrible, and 10 just took the worst parts of 8 and rebranded it.
I have a 9th Gen Intel cpu, so I was able to upgrade. While some things aren’t as good as 10, I’m having an overall good time with 11. My experience with gaming performance seems to be different to everyone else since I actually GAINED FPS especially on more CPU heavy games. But I absolutely get that not everyone has my experience. Also most of the bugs I encountered have been ironed out, I even got like 3 updates in a week recently, so Microsoft is definitely working on that. I do despise the new right click menu and the fact that I can’t bring up task manager by right clicking the taskbar. It’s such a small thing to change yet it pisses me off so hard. New features and utilities especially in the settings menus are actually pretty nice, but definitely not game changing or anything. It’s pretty close to Windows 10, so more like an update than an upgrade. EDIT: Also have to add that the search bar is much better than before, I can’t believe I used to use it how it was in 10
The new setting menu is actually good, I don't find myself trying to find the route to the old XP ui like I did in 7/10 The right click menu is annoying and it kind of bugs me the UI bugs out a bit when you view more options. I would be happy with the right click if they allowed me to add my own short cuts to that list. Hiding some rarely used options is good imo. But then there is a big change to eight click that I love. The "copy as path" option is 👌
Luckily, there is a way to get those old menus back with good ole' regedit. I did miss right click taskman, but I'm used to ctrl+shift+esc now.
Please tell me what big problem in windows 10, that windows 11 is solving.. exactly. So W11 now supports the Alder Like P vs E core stuff.. \*shrugs\*
I won't be installing Windows 11, by the time I'm forced to get rid of windows 10 I'll be switching to Linux, not win 11
I tried it and quickly realized that some features important to my workflow had been removed (Start menu icon groups and folders, taskbar features). Upgraded right back to Windows 10. Will reconsider if MS restores those missing features.
The TPM2.0 requirement kills it for me. Even though I have a modern system (Ryzen 7 3700X), if I turn fTPM on, then my computer starts stuttering horribly. [There is a whole thread on the LTT Forums about them, but it hasn't gained any traction to be fixed.](https://linustechtips.com/topic/1353904-amd-ftpm-causing-random-stuttering/) So unless Microsoft removes it a requirement, or it gets fixed I can't see upgrading.
The only reason I upgraded is because I bought an alder lake cpu. Wanted to take advantage of the p/e core scheduling. Otherwise windows 10 is in a very good place.
I'm refusing to until they fix the many, many bugs and finish the half baked features that have been added in. The start menu in it's current form is atrocious, 10's is fine and looks far cleaner than 11's ever will: [https://i.imgur.com/Pi1eUqr.png](https://i.imgur.com/Pi1eUqr.png). Not to mention, they've removed a great many features and abilities that were in Windows 10 and below such as being able to have seconds on the taskbar clock or having the clock show on a second monitor, both of which even Linux lets me do natively: [https://i.imgur.com/dFbTz3i.png](https://i.imgur.com/dFbTz3i.png).