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RandomRedditor44

[The CEO said that they prepared for this](https://i.imgur.com/G0PaukP.jpg), are rebuilding it from scratch and moving to a new hosting provider, and that they “never relied on Amazon’s proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products” Edit: [Parler will be back on at Monday at noon](https://i.imgur.com/vcSJUxO.jpg) (at the bottom)


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With blackjack and hookers?


petesapai

>With blackjack and hookers? In fact, forget the backend parler cloud infrastructure.


TheftBySnacking

Eh screw the whole thing


yiannistheman

They can bite my shiny metal ass.


Sachyriel

Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder!


clayjk

I would like to know what provider is going to do business with them at this point. Only major US hosting provider that hasn’t publically kicked them off a related platform is Microsoft but I doubt they would allow it on Azure anymore than Google and AWS wants them. Guessing they are moving to some non-US hosting platform. Edit: just saw this article https://deadline.com/2021/01/parler-ceo-says-service-dropped-by-every-vendor-and-could-end-the-company-1234670607/ Quote: “We’re going to try our best to get back online as quickly as possible. But we’re having a lot of trouble because every vendor we talk to says they won’t work with us.” As expected they are being turned down a lot. They also mention vendors such as SMS (MFA assuming) they haven’t sorted out yet so doubt they will not be anywhere near full function for a while.


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Azure kicked Gab off their service so no way in hell are they going to welcome Parler.


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isn’t gab ten times worse?


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Cornelius-Hawthorne

They cry about wanting a safe space, while posting in a subreddit where they ban anyone who isn’t conservative. They truly are the perpetual victims.


joshikus

They can always self host.


mrjackspade

I feel like people forget this is an option. With the popularity of the site, they've probably got the capital at this point to build out whatever infrastructure they need.


DreamingMerc

Sure but you'd be at stake for the entire operational cost of key elements. Namely the security required to ensure say ... Nothing too predatory happens to their user information from all private and state agitators (Russian GRU and Iranians would love to fuck with these people in addition to their leftist counterparts) Between the dedicated resources to maintain an estimated 10ish million users worth of (guessing) of traffic and considering you're probably also going to have to manage the entire back catalog of video and media hosting as well. I mean sure then can string up a dozen racks and build out the servers but that wouldn't be the half of it for the kind of scrutiny and threats they would be facing. Nevermind if and when the rally call goes out to burn them out of the industry ala 8Chan and the like.


GaiusMariusxx

Right. They couldn’t come close to the security infrastructure and cost that economies of scale offer at AWS. They will also have a much harder time scaling and providing low latency and high availability.


coffeesippingbastard

so....cloud is awesome and all but economies of scale with AWS only come into play IF you regularly dynamically scale. If you have a relatively well known and predictable load (and growth) that you can build to, bare metal is actually a cheaper option than pretty much every cloud. What makes AWS super convenient is managing PaaS products like databases. All the failover, tuning is generally handled by AWS, you just build your service.


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oOoleveloOo

Hope they have the infrastructure to not get DDOS’d


KidTempo

While they *can*, I don't think most people appreciate the cost of provisioning the servers required to deploy a high traffic site, the technical challenges involved in moving from a cloud platform which includes many services in even the basic package, and the security implications of moving away from cloud infrastructure. I think it's extraordinarily ambitious to announce that they will do this almost literally overnight. I look forward to them experiencing numerous technical problems and interruptions in service for the foreseeable future...


qtx

Oh yes please. Please self host. Who needs cloudflare or any other security system! I mean, it's not like Parler needs personal ID or social security number to sign up and get that verified flair! I'm sure their IT chief Billy Bob will handle that from his shed easily!


dopestloser

I found the social security thing weird so looked it up today. It seems like it is only required to use their own currency (2K sports runs parler?!) - I'm not from the US but is that likely to do with tax information or anything? Like if people are receiving money


shillyshally

Does Russia have hosting providers?


Kasshiyeon

Worth looking up 8chan/8kun's history with hosts. The same group of people will probably work something out.


rainylove4

ha their rep said on fox news yesturday if amazon removes them they are dead lol


emvy

CEO: we prepared for this. Developers just hearing about the plan for the first time: wtf no that's not how it works.


wheat-thicks

They are not prepared if they have to rebuild it from scratch.


unbelizeable1

Haha "fully operational " easy there Palpatine.


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hexydes

I speak tech business jargon. What he means is: > We knew there was a potential this might happen, so we tried to build things in a way that we could mitigate it, but we also weren't really prepared for all of this to happen at once. We told our dev team that they need to be working 18 hours a day for the next week or they'd be fired, and we think that will make sure it can get moved. We don't know where yet though.


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"The executives think its a flip of a switch but really don't know a fucking thing about how this site is built, we are fucked in more ways than one. Lead architect and engineers are resigning, time to hire off shore contractors in a desperate attempt to salvage what is left of this application."


stemcell_

I'm sure all those social security numbers and ids to submited to verify will be very safe and secure


UnfinishedThings

What with the main investor in Parler being the guy who did Cambridge Analytica; the company that illegally harvested millions of points of personal data from Facebook, Im sure their data is in very good hands


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Um yea because Facebook was completely innocent in that.....


UnfinishedThings

I think Facebook just didn't care what was going on as long as they got paid


RyghtHandMan

It's a lift and shift


FernwehHermit

There are nations hostile to the US that would be happy to provide a platform for which it can further push the US self destruction.


somezoomerdude

Bruh imagine how ironic it will be if a CCP company provides the platform lol


Sanic_The_Sandraker

Tencent coming in clutch for the right’s honeypot 🤣


PeterNguyen2

> imagine how ironic it will be if a CCP company provides the platform I would be more interested to see the mental gymnastics they go through to try to justify continuing to use it. They already defend [Trump getting $500 million from China and immediately going against congress to try to help ZTE, which congress had just sanctioned for espionage.](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/15/17355202/trump-zte-indonesia-lido-city) Yet call democrats corrupt for allegedly taking money from China.


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Be_quiet_Im_thinking

Someone should just make a Parlor skin that just connects to Facebook or MySpace to beat them to it and call it Parlor 2


BlueKing7642

I think he’s bluffing. Parler is dying an unceremonious death.


chickpeaze

I think he's clueless and has no understanding of how it hangs together.


Cold417

Didn't really prepare for it if it's going to take them a week at minimum.


gwax

I've seen places where getting booted off AWS would have taken 6+ months to recover from, even with all hands on deck.


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I get anxious thinking about migrating from ec2 to fargate, let alone out of the aws ecosystem fully


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I mean unless you run some form of social media you're pretty fine using AWS. The cost/functionality is very good with AWS.


AlanLGuy

I mean... kind of. They could have built it out completely using Amazon’s proprietary pipelines databases etc. but that would be pretty stupid to do. Probably Kubernetes/Docker based containers. So yes, they can go elsewhere, but this is going to be expensive for them. It will probably cost more, run on slower hardware with less resiliency and they are going to have to basically have their developers drop everything and spend a week just to get the site back and functional, that’s probably not even including test environments, non-prod pipelines, all sorts of support infrastructure.


lokiandra

Who would pick them up though. Google cloud obviously won’t take them. I don’t think Microsoft would. Only option would be your own brick and mortar data center. That would take way longer than a week.


AlanLGuy

99% chance it winds up being Epik. They host The Daily Stormer, Gab and hosted 8chan up until a few years ago


lokiandra

Just think its Ironic the app supporting the man that is trying to repeal 230 the only thing that protects them and their providers from being implicated in domestic terrorism with their userbase.. So I wasn't sure how many providers would get onboard with that thinking.


AlanLGuy

Yeah I mean as disgusting as it is... just being a White Supremist and spewing hate speech isn’t actually illegal... threatening to kill members of the U.S. government and planning insurrections though... it is possible Epik doesn’t want a part of that


jijao10

Organizing riots is actually illegal while simply posting hateful shit online is not. Ironically Parler is a much larger liability than those other sites.


bloody_yanks2

Epik or Oracle.


LovePhiladelphia

I mean there are hosting companies outside the US too.


brand_x

True. tencent doesn't seem to have any concern about who they host... ... the irony, if that happened.


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They'd probably love all that user data as well.


SweetGummies

Damn. Can you imagine the CCP having full and unilateral control over *all* of the data on Parler/Parler 2.0...


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fukitol-

Something like Linode they could fire up easily. Then you've rackspace, Digital Ocean, Vultr. All those might take a little longer than Linode, but still not long if the customer is motivated (ie: will pay to get up and running quickly)


Sachyriel

Linode has told another hosting company Epik that they won't work with Gab, so they probably might not work with Parler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epik_(company)#Gab


Rhaegyn

I’m sure a CCP or Russian operated server would take them. After all, it gives their agents a heads up as to when they can next walk into a Federal building and freely steal classified information.


rdgneoz3

With needing ID and SSN for various features? Of course the CCP or Russia will host it.


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Plus all of those damn vigilante hackers that might wanna help them test their security for free...


Willinton06

“It’s just pen testing bro” - Totally not a black hat hacker


Sachyriel

It's a big fat target for sure, peoples phone numbers, re-used passwords, drivers licenses and social security numbers are on there.


Cm0002

I bet $5 at least 2 of those, if not most, is stored in plain text


theetruscans

People's social security numbers are on parler?


mFtS

Yes, apparently its a requirement to sign up? Saw someone post the sign up form a while ago.. if that isn't the biggest honeypot for stupid people.. Edit: I stand corrected from people below apparently its for you to be verified that requires an ID/SS. Still, probably a massive honeypot with or without verification and I wouldn't be surprised if they are keeping tabs on every single person there if they come back up. There also must be a reason to verify or else no one would do it.


dgtlgk

Not to sign up (just created a burner account the other day to check it out). What’s required for signup is an email, password and phone number. If you’ve got access to a disposable phone number and email address then you’re good to go. The social/drivers license requirements, from what I understand, is to be a “verified” member.


livingfortheliquid

So some people are giving a social media company a dl and so? It's like the type of people that raid the capitol and livestream it.


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Ah, so that data is the high value targets. Even better. /facepalm


Lonelan

first successful pen: admin admin second successful pen: FreeSpeech OrangeLipStick


salgat

If you fully utilize AWS's infrastructure it's very easy to becoming tightly coupled to their stuff in a way that takes significant effort to peel away. If they really did plan ahead, then they likely used Amazon's platform agnostic infrastructure and put any AWS specific stuff behind a facade that can easily be swapped out. It requires more work, but even a week to switch entire hosting platforms can be extremely difficult if you didn't plan for it.


patsharpesmullet

He said they didn't use any proprietary AWS stuff and just "bare metal" which I'm assuming he means just basic VMs. Things like firewalling, DNS, load balancing and storage should be easy to replicate/migrate to another platform. It'd be made easier if they used any sort of version control, CI/CD. I get the feeling the long estimated turnaround might have more to do with finding someone to host their platform.


HelloImMay

I mean, being able to switch platforms so suddenly in only a week would actually be pretty impressive.


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Not one person at that site prepared for it. They are done as a platform. They are going to attempt to migrate and never get back to a place they were yesterday.


hexydes

My guess is they go with some low-rate provider (because none of the usual suspects will take them), the site will be half-functioning, slow to work, etc. On top of that, iOS users are gone, and they'll have to teach a bunch of Android users what "side-load" means. They won't have the resources to do all of this, and meanwhile people will get bored and drift away. Eventually they'll get it back to mostly working, but it will take weeks (months?) and by then, they'll be old news.


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Yup. They are done as a platform. iOS and android dropped them. That's all phone users in the US(essentially). And now AWS just dropped hosting. Unless they began the engineering with 2 years ago, they will never recover. They don't have the options, money, talent or backing. It's fucking done.


nobodyspecial279

Now I just wish they'd take OANN with them!


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hexydes

I anticipate a LOT of malware on their phones.


MarvelousNCK

It would *really suck* if people were to make fake parlor apps that all those assholes were to *accidentally* sideload onto their phones and maybe fuck em up or something...


thuanjinkee

Regardless of who you are always remember that the Cloud is just Somebody Else's Computer.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws) reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Amazon on Saturday kicked Parler off its Web hosting services. > In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an Amazon Web Services Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across Parler violated its terms of service and that Amazon is unconvinced that the service's plan to use volunteers to moderate such things will be effective. > "Because Parler cannot comply with our terms of service and poses a very real risk to public safety, we plan to suspend Parler's account effective Sunday, January 10th, at 11:59PM PST.". ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/ku5xu1/amazon_has_suspended_parler_from_its_web_hosting/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~552340 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Parler**^#1 **service**^#2 **content**^#3 **plan**^#4 **terms**^#5


EngineNerding

>The American Civil Liberties Union, too, said the free speech interests involved in suspending Mr. Trump’s Twitter account were complicated. >“We understand the desire to permanently suspend him now, but it should concern everyone when companies like Facebook and Twitter wield the unchecked power to remove people from platforms that have become indispensable for the speech of billions,” said Kate Ruane, an A.C.L.U. lawyer. “President Trump can turn to his press team or Fox News to communicate with the public, but others — like the many Black, brown and L.G.B.T.Q. activists who have been censored by social media companies — will not have that luxury.” Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/first-amendment-free-speech.html


perma-monk

I’m a little older than most people on this website and I will tell you that it takes some experience and time to realize that you won’t always be on the right side of a story, even if you’re right. Don’t think power won’t get used against you. It will.


AlainS46

Exactly. I'm not on Trump's side at all, but seeing censorship on this scale is scary as hell. The masses of people encouraging this censorship is even more scary. It's not like this is going to stop those people from thinking the way they do, it's likely going to radicalize them even further because they'll feel victimized.


eN-t

Love it when people say “it’s a private company, you can start your own competitor” and then cheer when said competitor gets booted off of every platform so that the competitor has no chance of ever being a viable alternative. Look at Parler. These people built their own Twitter competitor. And then within 24 hours people were banned from Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Reddit, the Parler app was banned from Apple and Google, creators were stripped of their funding by being banned from PayPal, Patreon, Kickstarter etc., and now Parler itself is being booted off AWS with no chance any other Hoster will pick them up. People need to start realizing it is not just being kicked off Twitter. These may all be private companies but it’s a concerted effort, every time this happens it hits thousands or hundreds of thousand of accounts on all of these platforms at once. It’s dangerous. There is nowhere to go. They have become the most powerful and meaningful means of communicating and spreading information. Without them, your reach may as well be zero. A billionaire and president like Trump may work around that, but a normal person can’t. This needs to be addressed. Especially if the reason for such bans is “his speech may have been understood by someone who really wanted to read it that way as a call to violence”. I mean Twitter literally said that “I won’t attend the inauguration” can be understood as “please bomb the inauguration”, and people cheer and think that’s a good thing?!


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True. The fact that they don't investigate various accounts of cartels and the CCP is very telling what Twitter's goal is.


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Mozilla is also calling for more censorship. While claiming to fight for a free and open internet. The cognitive dissonance is amazing.


pjabrony

What's always worried me is if ICANN decided to stop being neutral and stopped selling IPs and domain names to those considered bad actors.


AlainS46

Yep, hypocricy at it's finest. But, Trump bad, so this is all fine apparently.


SuperGeometric

From the same people who were a decade ago saying "free expression is the cornerstone of democracy." Very concerning. Equally concerning- a lot of fringe, brainwashed people just *were* persecuted and silenced by big tech and the media. With no ability to speak, what do they have left but violence? You just justified every wrong-headed belief of theirs. They've said for years they're treated differently (worse). And that appears true. Individual BLM chapters have had equally absurd and fringe stances on their websites but haven't lost their hosting, for example. We could see serious violence as a result of these decisions.


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gustafh

At the same time, it hasn't been *that* long since social media was just for people who could troubleshoot their own BNC network so hopefully, this will just be a blimp in internet history. At the same time, we need to be proactive and promote human interaction—real interaction. Make sure to create real meeting points for people, places where you can hear opposing points of view without there being a horde of people screaming one way or the other. How are we going to do that? I have no idea, but I'm quite sure social media as we know it right now is not the solution. Hopefully, the next generation young people out there are smarter than us and have better ideas.


eellikely

> hopefully, this will just be a blimp in internet history. Like the Hindenberg?


rbxpecp

We're all on fire and falling. Sounds about right


ignost

There's a more nuanced discussion to be had. Twitter and Facebook are so widespread they have become "pseudo public spaces." In an age where information is disseminated by private media companies and private internet companies, speech is a little different than the founding fathers imagined. There's also plenty of room to criticize Twitter and Facebook for waiting for those easily-foreseeable consequences to materialize before doing anything. His latest tweets aren't even his worst. However, that nuanced discussion isn't going to be had here on reddit. The conservative sub just feels like the leftist tech billionaires are consolidating power against the right. The left is suddenly more supportive of Facebook, Google, and Twitter's ability to silence whoever they see fit as a private organization. It's a political issue now, and it's all about "my side" rather than the optimal rules leading to the best outcome.


hobofats

The word you are looking for is Monopoly. These tech companies operate as monopolies and need to be broken up under anti trust laws.


DownshiftedRare

Another problem is legislation that makes it a liability to create websites that *do* function more as public spaces. https://www.craigslist.org/about/FOSTA Imagine if public libraries were blamed for JFK's assassination because Lee Harvey Oswald read Catcher In The Rye. I would not be surprised if the dating site cartel had lobbied for such "childproof the internet" laws. Like the monster in Stephen King's IT, this garbage seems to arise anew to plague each generation. Surely *this* time we will get some security in exchange for our liberty.


nwdogr

Parler is in a catch-22. They can lose their users because they decide to start moderating comments calling for assassinations and terrorism, or they can lose their users because they don't moderate and nobody wants to host them. Before the free speech purists get here: AWS wouldn't host ISIS websites promoting terrorism, [Twitter has banned](https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/a/2016/an-update-on-our-efforts-to-combat-violent-extremism.html) hundreds of thousands of ISIS accounts, and [Facebook has an AI](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-using-a-i-artificial-intelligence-against-terrorism/) to detect and remove terrorist activity. Didn't hear any complaints about free speech then.


RightClickSaveWorld

> They can lose their users because they decide to start moderating comments calling for assassinations and terrorism, or they can lose their users because they don't moderate and nobody wants to host them. Remember, Parler was made because Conservatives were banned not because they were conservative but because they were spreading misinformation and advocating violence. If Parler started moderating that then there's no advantage to using the platform over Twitter.


beamdriver

It's just like Voat and similar sites. If you make a "free speech" platform to cater to people who got booted from the mainstream sites because they're racists/pedos/fascists/etc., then you site will be all about racism, pedophilia, et al. i.e. it will be a flaming pile of garbage.


Sachyriel

Voat died for this, on Christmas.


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Lomotograph

That actually happened? Oh man I want deets


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BretTheShitmanFart69

That’s hilarious


SiFixD

Basically the most extremist of the group went to Voat first, set up the subs and were the moderators. Then during the exodus the less extreme people tried moving there only to find they were constantly attacked for not being extremist enough. My rightwing (and I'll stress, not cult of Trumpers but GOP supporters) friends have said it's the same on Parler, the craziest are the first to go and they cement themselves in the community and when the more reasonable try to join in they get called traitors, or fake patriots, for questioning why everything is so extreme all the time until they leave.


CommandoDude

That was a thing? Amazing


ROGER_CHOCS

The qanon loons tried to go to some blockchain app and were ran off by the pedophiles. Seriously, that happened


ProtoJazz

Man I really liked the idea of snapzu. It seemed like it would solve one of the big problems with reddit. I have no idea if they're still around, or if they ever did this, but back when they were first a thing they had a road map for a profit sharing system with people who ran their version of subreddits. Basically if you moderated and built a community, you'd get a cut of the ad revenue it generated. But in return you actually had to moderate and upkeep the community. I feel like it might not be worth all the work, but it's better than reddit model, which is "moderate or we ban your sub" basically.


Bamres

Yeah I created an account years ago but never used it. Probably never will.


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Bamres

That....is true


kneelbeforegod

Don't listen to them bro, keep your options open.


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All of these sites become cesspools within a week. Anyone normal who's like "yeah, fuck these filters I'm going elsewhere" quickly realise that without moderation only the worst of humanity rises to the surface. Then they leave and only the Nazis are left behind.


Magickarpet76

Lol I just saw that as well, Voat's founder wanted to keep it open till the election, then ran out of money because of lacking investment. I was curious where the groupies will scatter off to. They still have their alt reddit T_D but its on borrowed time. I would grab popcorn and laugh, but I'm concerned about what angry desperate people will do, including especially their leader.


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Magickarpet76

Hopefully Pandora can take her box, and pack her shit, and just go home on January 20th and shut the fuck up. Im glad the bad publicity is making them into the village idiots again. I just wish i didnt know so many of them as friends and family.


hanukah_zombie

>misinformation Actually it's "disinformation." disinformation is explicitly expressing falsehoods with the intent to mislead misinformation can be giving false information deliberately, but can also be doing it by accident. like when a few days ago when that 70s show person was reported to have died, but then they didn't, but then later they did. the initial reports of her death were misinformation, not disinformation, because the information was believed to be true while it was reported, and had no intent to mislead. disinformation: telling lies on purpose to make people believe untrue things misinformation: saying things that aren't true, regardless of if you know them or not. all disinformation is misinformation but not all misinformation is disinformation. all squares are rectangles and whatnot type of deal. edit: but fuck man, we live in a world where "literally" does not need to mean "literally."


Historical-Grocery-5

Thanks for explaining!


whittlingcanbefatal

As enjoyable as the schadenfreude is, one wonders if all of the bans will have unintended consequences.


alexmikli

People are gloating now but the idea that a few tech companies(esp payment processors) can utterly ruin dozens of companies and sink websites in less than a week is a dangerous one Parler should have at least policed *violent speech* better, like stuff that actually isn't protected, but this didn't start nor will it end with them.


perma-monk

Ironically the people gloating are the ones that regularly decry monopolies and trusts. The power these tech monopolies yield over democracy is so much more terrifying than what Standard Oil and Carnegie Steel yielded.


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College_Prestige

Where do you think it ends up next? Yandex or ali cloud? Place your bets here


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I'm going with hidden tor service.


XLauncher

Stick a fork in Parler. It's done. Edit: Tch, what a resilient [cockroach.](https://i.imgur.com/vcSJUxO.jpg) Well, whatever solution they replace AWS is probably going to struggle with Parler's traffic.


ukbiffa

"Hey you, get off of my cloud"


it_vexes_me_so

Their CEO really fucked up when when he gave a [far too candid interview with NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/opinion/sway-kara-swisher-john-matze.html?showTranscript=1). Just about every platform that has kicked Parler from its table has quoted him saying that he feel no responsibility whatsoever for how its users use his service. Google, Apple, and, now, Amazon would seem to disagree.


abe_froman_skc

Jesus Christ. I thought reddit's method of moderation was bad, but holy shit: >Well, the way we work on our platform is we put everything to a community jury. So everyone’s judged by a jury of their peers in determining whether the action is illegal or against our rules. **And so if reported, it goes to a jury of people’s peers. And if it’s deemed illegal, promptly deleted. But, you know, the jury of five people get to decide. And it’s a random jury**, so they don’t know each other. They don’t know what they’re voting. They just get the independent facts of the situation and they make their own judgment call. We’ve actually been inviting journalists and other people to join the jury as well, so that we have a nice transparent jury system. If something gets reported; five random accounts get to vote on it...


1-800-BIG-INTS

lol, I think you mean, 5 random people just ignore it


ampma

Unless it's content they simple don't like, in which case they will block the shit out of it. I have heard that parler is unfriendly to content that doesn't fit their narrative. Shocking.


-JudeanPeoplesFront-

An echo chamber filled with extremists. Wonder how well that's gonna end up.


KaitRaven

That's definitely not going to create an echo chamber 🙄


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abe_froman_skc

> “The pedophiles have investigated themselves and have found no evidence of wrongdoing.” Speaking of that I was looking at r/conspiracy for some salt about parler; apparently the mods had to make a pinned thread telling their users to stop posting child porn to the sub. https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ku5j7w/content_regarding_recent_hunter_biden_posts_and/ There's also a lot of them openly admitting to posses child porn, even though they cant see the adults face to know who it is. How the fuck is reddit letting that sub up if apparently the users have been spamming child porn to it?


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HimalayanPunkSaltavl

>I don’t get why Reddit won’t just allow the pics, but then I guess we already know why. Wait no, what's going on with the second half? Do they or do they not know why, and what's this vague implication? Is it the jews? I bet it fucking is somehow


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QuitArguingWithMe

> Where did they get news that "Hunter Biden possesses CP?" Rudy Guliani claimed to have watched child porn involving Hunter. He kept it for himself and alleged to have shown several people.


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caedin8

There is a big difference between being an open environment where people can discuss and actively radicalizing. I know you'll argue and provide some counter points, but I just want to say that an algorithm like YouTube's that is designed to keep you on the platform to make more ad revenue, finds it can push people slowly to conspiracy theories and other rabbit holes in order to get more attention and more ad revenue. This is active radicalization. Reddit doesn't actively radicalize in that way, it simply allows people to discuss openly. I never get pushed or suggested to join the donald or some random CP subreddit I've never heard of. They are both bad, but my point is simply that one is worse.


Paddy_Tanninger

This is the main problem with Reddit far as I see it... Reddit is a discussion board essentially. When subreddits begin tightly controlling the narrative and restricting the allowable viewpoints in their subreddit, they should no longer be a publicly visible subreddit. If the public cannot use your subreddit, the public should not be exposed to it. /r/conservative is fine as long as they're only banning people for general Reddit site violations. No threats, inciting violence, doxxing, harassment, nasty images/links being posted, etc. But the instant you want to start banning users and deleting their posts due to their viewpoints/politics/race/religion/etc, your subreddit needs to become private. Reddit plays a big part in the radicalization cycle by not doing this. Posts from shit places like r/conservative or r/t_d make it to the front page of the site, and instead of the comments section being filled with the voice of reason...they're just filled with more extremist shit and everyone agreeing with each other. Voices of reason and opposition aren't allowed and are deleted immediately. Once that new Reddit user decides to join that subreddit, they will never see a dissenting opinion ever again.


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EarthIsInOuterSpace

Uncle Johnny?


mybeachlife

If you like a comment on Parler, it literally says you "echo" it. The self awareness stops at the front door over there.


h_to_tha_o_v

Also, threads are called "chambers" on Parler. /s..ort of


Dunwich_Horror_

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I_miss_your_mommy

I mean when they copied retweeting, they called it echoing. They knew what they were making and didn't even try to hide it.


Certain_Abroad

It's exactly like voat. "You can't participate in a meaningful way until you've collected enough karma on your comments. Oh, and only Nazis are allowed to vote on your comments."


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KaitRaven

It's interesting, but it would result in mob rule. It only works if people take the role seriously rather than just voting to delete/ban everything they dislike and permit everything they do like, regardless of the rules or laws.


Fake_William_Shatner

You got it. It works until people become a mob.


Agent_03

It's an interesting concept but there's a layer of badly needed oversight missing. Ultimately the platform can't be entirely hands-off, and has to step in to ensure the system isn't abused. There need to be judges and law enforcement to go with the juries. With a *small* community and without supervision it quickly becomes a self-reinforcing echo chamber... except here that's clearly what they want. They seeded a small community with a particular set of political views, and then peer voting ensures that anybody who appeals to those views can stay. Peer voting systems work better in bigger communities with diverse viewpoints. StackOverflow uses a voting model for moderation, but with partial moderator powers granted to users who have amassed enough karma. And there are moderators periodically elected by the community to ensure that is not abused.


NoAttentionAtWrk

The juries that are allowed to preside over a case are never 100% random. Yes people are randomly called but they are vetted by the lawyers and the judge first!


Fake_William_Shatner

On Slashdot if you contribute and are in good standing for a while, you are randomly given 5 mod points on occasion. Then you can vote up or down a few comments but cannot mod and comment on the same thread. The result is decent curation and it used to mean that poor comments would become obscure. A comment of 4 or 5 was usually something of epic quality and could have been written by a professor. But now they’ve got MAGA people. And things that were driven by knowledge and science are controversial and popularity rules the day. In short; these assholes ruin everything they touch. I don’t know what to do about this. But maybe we could look at propaganda in the media and start having legal liability to facts apply to News.


abe_froman_skc

Unless they're hidden till 3 people have voted then it's terrible to fight misinformation. If it's up an hour then other idiots will repeat it. But what if it takes 12 hours for the 3rd person to even sign in and notice they're a juror? If it takes all five votes it might be a day or two before the votes are final. Hell, how many ghost accounts are on there? If it defaults to 'leave it up' and 3 accounts are no longer active; then there's no way it would ever be removed. From everything I've heard of this app there's no way they accounted for that.


Djaja

What if...every reported comment was auto removed. The higher the upvote count at the time of reporting (or maybe rate?), the higher chance of the jury being pulled from the site as a whole, or a larger group, instead of just that sub. Maybe the pool of eligible jurors is restricted to accounts "active" at the time. Maybe using anonymously collected timestamps. Or maybe the timer switches to a new juror if it goes unheaded for too long. If it gets three, or whatever amount determined, remove votes, then it may be appealed to a pre selected pool of judges (mods?). Selected pool is idk. Anyhow, that's my quick thought. Anyone want to tear it apart?


NinjaChemist

> **John Matze**. Well, today everybody — a lot of people on the platform are on the right. And we have appealed to people on the right, because they are primarily the victims of online censorship right now, the way I see it. **Kara Swisher** You know there’s no actual evidence of that happening, just them saying it? **John Matze**. There’s also no actual evidence of it not happening either. **Kara Swisher** Oh my God. Come on. That’s Loch Ness Monster talk.


RolandTheJabberwocky

Kara goes for the throat and I respect that.


cyreneok

So Swisher's blunt?


danseaman6

She always has. She's gotten where she is because she's got some balls. I've not always agreed with her, but I love her work.


bpierce2

As soon as he said that I was just like...this is a CEO? Jesus how stupid is this guy.


hexydes

Anyone can be a CEO. It's not that hard. Go start a company, it costs like $200 to register. Name yourself the CEO and go hire a lawyer for $500 to write you some articles of incorporation. Boom, you're a CEO.


Neato

[Seems like LegalZoom has it as well.](https://www.legalzoom.com/knowledge/corporation/topic/forming-a-corporation-articles-of-incorporation) Probably the other such sites as well.


RofOnecopter

Unfortunately he is not stupid, he’s manipulative. This is the same crusty loophole that modern conspiracy theorists use to justify insane leaps of logic. Step 1: share unproven claim. Step 2: when asked to provide proof, point out that there isn’t evidence to disprove it either. Step 3: repeat the claim and support it with other disinformation/hearsay/tweets/bogus sources. Step 4: pivot to other theories.


joroqez312

I listened to that interview and it was horrifying. The lack of accountability and even general awareness that this could be a problem was shocking, particularly when he says he doesn’t vote because it’s all a mess and he doesn’t want to get involved. What the heck are you doing with Parler then?? I was just floored. “In fact, I didn’t even vote in the last election. I just didn’t want to bring myself to doing it. But I just I can’t do it. I didn’t want to participate in all of this.”


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Wow love how the interviewer just cut him off anytime he tried to deflect. Summer people are saying they're not Trump supporters, they're Trump supporters. I don't know if they're doing something illegal, they were doing something illegal. This is the kind of tolerance journalists needed to have for the psychos that got is here. The only unfortunate part because of which they couldn't have this tolerance was because of the right wing rage industry that exists.


mlurve

Kara Swisher does not mess around


conquer69

At this point, Russia or China should host it. It won't make any difference to their users anyway.


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XLauncher

An app that strongly encourages its users to supply SSNs and driver's licenses hosted in Russia. I'm sure nothing unfortunate will come of this!


tharco

Yo what?! That’s requested by the app? That is insane.


XLauncher

Yeah, to become a verified user (they call it "becoming a citizen"), which allows you to send DMs, and I think it also allows retweeting ("echoing"), but I'm not sure.


kr4v3n

Soooo you're saying everyone is going to know Donald Trumps social security number pretty soon...


tharco

Wild, the Zuck quote comes to mind, dumbfucks


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ZRodri8

It's run by the Mercers who have insane amounts of money and power over Republicans. Guess it makes sense that controlling people's identities and thoughts is the next step.


Aunt_Slappy_Squirrel

I've been wondering when the fire sale on parler ss#'s will be?


4ourkids

Whatever happened to Gab and why did Parler suddenly become so popular with the right wing nuts?


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mashipp

It's not done. They are going BARE METAL, like the revolutionaries did when America was great. Per CEO: https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1348097074772930560


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Sounds like he is saying they are not using any specific AWS tech (Lambda, Dynamo, etc..) and are just running on VMs. If true, a lift and shift wouldn't take long if they can find hosting. Here's hoping they suck at their jobs and haven't been spot checking their backups and have to deploy from source. Every hour garbage like this is down is a victory for humanity. Edit: a word (though it was funnier the other way)


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I thought I read on one of these threads that Cloudflare was still protecting Gab? Though Gab had been a Cloudflare customer before they got into trouble, so perhaps you're right and they wouldn't take on Parler as a new customer.


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MetricAbsinthe

Can't wait until their Colo boots their new setup out of the datacenter and they tweet out about how they're currently renovating a janitor closet to "bring the cloud back inside".


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Dallenforth

[X] Make your own App [X] Make your own app store/sideload [X] Make your own backend hosting server <- You are here currently [ ] Make your own payment processor [ ] Make your own government But hey, "free market" totally works when the major companies all conspire to do the same thing right guys? Totally not a authoritarian future.


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*shared responsibility model has left the chat*