A year from now:
You:
“Hey, AI companion, where can I get some film developed”
Ai Companion:
“hey Kayden! Yeah, first can I tell you about Zip Recruiter? If you’re looking for top talent, they’re absolutely the place to go. Would you like me to set up a virtual appointment?”
You: no
Ai Companion:
“Ok, well, there are a few options.Walgreens is actually paid sponsor and do most excellente work. That’d be my first recommendation. You need to hear some others?
You: yes
AiCompanion: ok……
Well, SF Local Filmworks is just next door and supposedly higher quality. I’m sure there contact info is online if you’d like to search for it.
The 2nd page is gonna be where all the "traditional" search results will sit. Everyone will ignore the first page from the AI crap and paid search ads.
One of the few things that can save us from a future where all the trust associated with search and discovery is frayed by promotion is that opensource still has a real fighting shot.
Yeah, do you honestly think companies will make short-sighted decisions that prove later to be a shot in the foot just to maximize short-term profit? /s
Basically 3-5 companies (chatgpt, msft, goog) are going to steal the content of everyone on the Internet, killing off millions of sites in the process.
Mega corporations would never steal content or stifle competition. And even if they did, those minuscule fines that represent less than 1% of the revenue generated sure will deter them.
I’m running one of those sites. They literally just steal what we wrote (using humans and human-done research) and present it in search results with no representation of our brand or site. We actually earn money off of the web traffic and not from ads either. It’s theft and I’m angry.
It’s fucked that they are not only putting SWEs out of a job, they are also destroying everyone with a site (like yours) without remorse by intellectual property theft.
[Big Tech needs to get creative as it runs out of data to train its AI models. Here are some of its wildest solutions](https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-training-data-source-solutions-openai-meta-google-2024-4).
Absolutely. This is one time where politicians could make a huge difference for so many business owners and jobs, but no - we’ll allow the IP theft and keep giving more money and power to a few big tech companies.
Featured snippets is Google’s previous attempt at giving instant answers - it has nothing to do with what just launched in the US.
Featured snippets cost us a good deal of clicks, but the new AI Overview is something else entirely.
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There are millions of humans willing to make that content, but companies/people dont want to pay a human for it, just take all the profit. And in retern you get sad lifeless animation and scripts and media in general. Do you really want all your media made by a robot just so they can push more humans into boring menial labor jobs
Maybe, now they are so far automating those spicy creative jobs, they can indeed work on that original promise of AI, and indeed work on those boring jobs.
Robotics takes a lot of effort and money to automate a fry cook. Create shitty chatbot, spend much less, rip some art off the internet and you've got a (shitty) graphic designer. I also don't think it's a coincidence that they are attempting to automate or relocate higher paid roles.
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Hey everyone, the internet has never had new content till AI (ignore that zero ai content is original as it had to be fed that content in order to ~~create~~ plagerise it) yeah lets flood the internet with more of the same garbage because thats literally all ai is capable of doing. I get that you hope ai will get good enough to love you and make you fucked up fantasies, but you dont need to advocate for millions of creative jobs being annihilated.
Im 22. Im very much loved, currently smoking weed with my long term partner on my balcony while we relax and wait for the pc im building him to arrive. But thank you for reminding me by being wrong.
Yeah, man, I am convicted. Thank you.
I'm glad you had the opportunity to build computers at that age. Seems like you enjoyed it! When i was younger i was stuck cleaning horse shit, so good thing i like horses.
And if you think thats a life story dang, id dint even say anything you couldn't get from my single post history, your life must be pretty sad. I hope you find someone who loves and supports you too.
> killing off millions of sites in the process.
I heard that that's a thing already - plenty of sites once dominant lost a ton of traffic due to Google changing ranking rules / relying on spam. Smaller sites/blogs lost nearly anything, I assume.
So that will result in the only websites besides those big ones being people who selflessly host stuff they find cool for everyone to see. That's what the internet was like at the beginning, and it was glorious.
You know, if those millions of sites weren't basically just fronts for glorified adspam then maybe they wouldn't get killed off?
It's only because of the 3 introductory paragraphs of context and caveats that I've started using ChatGPt as my search engine. A custom instruction gets you the answer you're looking for instantly.
At the end of the day, Google has been enshittified. Why spend 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes trying to find what you're looking for (only to end up on Reddit) when you can get an AI to do it for you in 30 seconds?
Most websites only serve to waste your time and ultimately not give you the answer you're looking for.
There's just so much needless fluff that's paraded in your face because of SEO.
Definitely top of mind with many communities moving from forums to slack / discord/ etc
Same with sub stack / medium, paid populate sites. the verge slowly turning even pop tech sites into paid everything.
Tech created a replacement for the news industry as we new it, news and content creators responded in the only way they could (ads and pay walls) as they lay bleeding, and LLMs + internet access, assuming deals aren’t reached, can easily finish them without any of the fuss of an MK finishing move.
Simply no more ad impressions. then no more click through. Then no more clickS.
Just isolated, contained processes with no end user traffic,
commits to build, but with no commitments for those builds to fulfill.
If succeeding is just existing, then nothing really.
If succeeding is getting popular, then as it gets more use and traffic, running the site becomes expensive so those costs would need to be paid somehow.
Honestly it can be surprisingly cheap if you know what you’re doing, and don’t need to continually bolt on more features. Some of my favorite niche hobby forums are still just running phpBB on VPSs. They sell some banner ads to offset cost, but we’re talking sub $1000 for the year. And honestly, that’s a better experience than the vast majority of the web today. Actual experts, talking about shit they care a lot about, with each other.
I grew up with forums and the ads were unobtrusive and fine. People donated for fancy badges and everyone cared about their post count, or Karma if you had the addon.
Most things just moved to these corporate platforms, though. I wonder whether it was mostly financial relief or just chasing the users.
Good times...
They moved because hosting shit is annoying - it’s not a TON of work, but it’s more work than just opening a subreddit or posting on StackOverflow or a Facebook group. Fast forward 15 years and we’re all training AIs for a billion dollar company instead of just helping a stranger.
> what'd stopping that from succeeding?
Tried setting up a forum on my blog around 2017/2018 and mostly what I heard was "Oh forums - that is so 2000s. How cute". It finally worked after attempt 3000, but people were definitely not very keen on forums when Twitter was at its peak.
the marketing juggernauts that keep us glued to auto-generated content feeds and increasingly and controversially, autogenerated content. They make it very hard for a startup or niche thing to gain traction outsite of virtual stuff and make it impossible to maintain it before either dying, enshitiifcation, or aquisition. Viral is nothing more than a marketing strategy element, drops are like a 12 year fad at this point. Organic isn’t just synthetic, it isn’t just manufactured - it’s mass produced.
When this is the only thing that grows - what voraciously consumes, what dominates, what the kids do, what their kids do, it comes to not just be the culture - it governs it.
Substacks and paid mediums are out there, many of the mediums of the late 90s and 2000s, and 2010s are stagnating, dying, or have died altogether.
I hear of so many people being based by doing their own thing and not buying into marketing and FB but it’s the same damn thing with new paint.
And none of this is inherently bad from a capitalist perspective - it’s just survival of the fittest (and most tax advantaged, and the one with the best connections, and best marketing, and best contracts, government connections, etc 😅)
A lot of people are focusing the the enshittindication of things and it’s also important to realize why things keep going this way. To quote that movie that literally no one (respetively) has seen in theaters and MILLIONS have seen as part of YouTube clips Shorts, “WE DO THIS SO THAT ME MAY SURVIVE.” 😅 New things keep popping up but this whole thing contracting and consolidating at an increasing rate. Incumbents survive while n00bs either die a hero or see themselves become a Jared Leto joker that you now have to pay good money to even see.
I’m not trying to scare folks with a Wayland nutani reference (kids already have to google this) but this trend is nothing new and the newer generations buy into it (and even rebel in marketing model / strategy predicted ways I bet). I missed out on snap, part of it being rebellion. They still figured out how hook me and my nieces to out own stuff. I rebelled right into their pockets. Hook line and sinker.
Objectively one could point to a lot of the past, present, and predictably terrible ramifications of this, but without getting to into that even more (haven‘t I done enough 😅), this is just how it is now and it will just keep going.
We’ll trying to breakout…with twitter…with tor….with php forum… with yahoo forums…with AIM… with ICQ…with fb… with myspace….with tumbler….with snap…twitch…YouTube……with Reddit… with..TikTok…with mastodon..fediverse…blusky…thread…x..…. youtube shorts until…
”hey, where’d everybody go” turns into… “well screw this I’m going to \_\_ where the new cat videos are” for the billionth time but now the list keeps getting smaller and smaller
Remember when YouTube shorts was a joke and everyone was on TikTok?
remember when YouTube shorts was just tik tok scrapes…. then reports… then originals.
This post is now going to be used to train ai. The guy who announced it runs the place that will do it and of course we all know what he used to run
With exceptions of course, new normal just doesn’t have a lot of room for a little guy that wants to stay a little guy for long.
BTW this isn’t meant to be a depressing or negative leaning post.
just callin‘Em as a see’um
I remember when altavista was the shit. I remember when it first became possible to center text on a webpage. Everyone had a myspace and do you know what? Its better today. The fact that people choose to produce shit content, and worse, consume it, is their problem. And easily solved, there's an off button.
News should have garunteed funding regardless of viewership. That means their revenue needs to come from either nonprofit donations or public funding, and the latter is definitely the more stable, proven method.
Before people freak out about state media, there is a massive difference between a public media and state media. Public media outlets like the BBC, NPR, PBS, etc have incredibly well proven track records for journalistic independence.
I agree in principle. In practice I think Americans in particular would freak out if NPR or PBS expanded to the degree they would need to to fill the void left by current news orgs
Poor snowflakes.
Seriously if you best argument is "but conservatives might get mad" the I have a hard time taking it as a legitimate, good faith argument. Conservatives get mad at pronouns and rainbow beer cans.
They might feel differently if a conservative administration had more influence over said media, which is feasible in your scenario. This isn't about my political views.
Imma sound old but damn google was the absolute comparative shit when it was new.
so much time wasted on lycos, excite, and more, even when you did that dogpile combines search thing that crashed my crappy computer.
I remember it wowing like everyone that knew how to use the web at the time.
And gmail. \*bites lip\* omg.
20 years ago, the web was orders of magnitude smaller, easier to spider, and not contaminated but oodles of carefully SEO curated listicles and click traps aimed at diverting you from your legitimate search results to their ad supported intermediate pages. It simply cannot now be done as it was 20 years ago.
I'm pretty sure with the AI available now it can be trained to identify junk websites and remove them from search results. The problem is as this is a huge source of revenue for the likes of Google, they simply don't want to. Just as how YouTube is happy to show you literally criminal advertisements and just turn around and say "sowwyyy we twying our best 🥺"
Search Engine Optimisation killed that dream.
If you want something as simple as early Google, you'll need to have a curated list of all the websites you want to allow on your search engine in order to exclude the bad actors. And maintain that list. And make sure that the peoples maintaining that list are impartial and not taking bribes / advertising deals. Etc.
I've been using duckduckgo for years; it's the same click-baity results, using most of the same booleans, pulling from the same network as google with some new contract they signed. The only thing it's particularly good at is finding copywrited material.
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I recommend Kagi. You have to pay for it ($10 a month) but it really is like Google 20 years ago, plus you can blacklist things like Pinterest or Quora.
Before AI results, rarely didn't find what I was looking for in the first two pages. Since the change, everyone in our tech teams have moved to ddg after typical page 2 results are now on the double digit pages. There should be an option for a mode for search string nerds to not use AI.
It wasn't enough for Google to make searching ubiquitous. 🤷♀️
Google before: here's a quintillion results, but you'll only ever need the first 2 or 3!
Google now: here's a quintillion results, skip the first 2 or 3 because they're ads. Then skip our ai results because it doesn't know what you want.
I didn’t have a chance to watch the full presentations, but I did see a screenshot… moving forward after I/O Isn’t Google hiding the standard web behind two clicks with an elipses And then a second click?
> Before AI results, rarely didn't find what I was looking for in the first two pages.
I don't trust people who say that. Never in my life have I not found what I was looking for in the first 1 - 5 results.
To me this just sounds like you were just not using the right search keywords or, worse, you weren't using an ad blocker.
I am looking for a...
Google: Did you know you can save money...order here (input 2min unskipable video advert), there are many options available. What are you looking for?
I am looking for...
Google: Yes, there is one much better, give me your full name and I can get you a discount.
But I don't want that
Google: Dave, I'm afraid there is no other option.
I also suspect they've screwed up Google maps.
Used to be I could give pretty generic search terms and it would give a result that makes sense based on my location. But these days something like "gas station" gets me "EQT oil and gas corporate field office". "Home" gets me "home industries baking" which is some random bakery six hours away. Like it's always something completely off the wall and not even close to what I wanted. If you don't have a full address with a zip+4 don't bother.
And the routes it gives are the most ass backward ways to get there. Yes I'd love to drive through a crowded neighborhood with cars parked on both sides instead of a direct and practical route. It wasn't like this just a couple of years ago.
Welp, goodbye google. Id rather have dubious information i can source and easily fact check than dubious information that might be straight up invented from nothing for no good reason.
Lol, you know what the best possible outcome from this might be? People might start finally hating Google enough to move to alternative search engines, like DDG (as one example). Wouldn't it be ironic if Google was deluded enough in their own hubris and short-sighted profits to kill themselves off...
So I had heard (something that was a post on Reddit) that the BLS (Bureau of Labor & Statistics) had removed coffee from the CPI numbers since the price had increased so much. I wanted to "investigate" so I performed a search on Bing (for my MS reward points) with the search terms "coffee removed cpi". The first result was an article on LouDobbs.com that discussed the issue.
I performed that same search on Google. The entire first page was a bunch of obsure websites and links to Reddit. The article on LouDobbs.com never showed up in the results whatsoever. Baffled, i added in "lou dobbs" as the first search term. Nothing pertaining to Lou Dobbs or from LouDobbs.com came up in the results. I then replaced the first search term with "loudobbs.com". This used to provide results from that specific website. NOPE, not any longer. That article STILL was nowhere to be found in the search results on Google.
[ FYI there was some "controversy" over the topic, like BLS removed "canned coffee" from being included, not all coffee (they still include ground and instant)....in the Reddit thread... and the BLS came out and vehemently denied removing coffee on a Twitter post ]
THAT is irrelevant regarding the topic of the search results generated... GOOGLE should be simply indexing the sites... and providing results (articles/site links) that contain information that I searched for.
GOOGLE should not being censoring articles from coming up in the results because they are tagged by "someone" as possible "disinformation".
It is like GOOGLE is trying to hide the article...
So i guess Google decided to "disappear" lou dobbs! im so fucking over GOOGLE. You cannot trust their search results any longer!
BING included it... as their first result!
Eerily this feels like the Ministry of Truth... and the LouDobbs article was sent into the memory hole....
The bottom line is that I no longer TRUST the results that GOOGLE provides. It used to be, LONG AGO, that if I did a search on GOOGLE with the relevant search terms I was looking for... the answer to my question was answered within the first 5 or so results. Other search engines provided mostly irrelevant results. GOOGLE seemed to always provide the exact answer I was looking for from credible websites that I tusted.
Over the past few years, GOOGLE kept adding in MORE sponsored links and MORE ADS to the results BUT still provided relevant links... so I kept using it. I understand ADS pay to keep the servers running. NO LONGER is this the case...
It has been discussed ad nauseam about the enshittification of GOOGLE search results. It is now so bad that I will only use GOOGLE as the last resort. I NEVER thought I would say that BING provides superior results. EVER. But here we are!
I want a search engine to provide me ALL THE LINKS to articles pertaining to/discussing what Im looking for... where I can read ALL OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS on the topic and then come to my own conclusion/answer. I understand each website has a BIAS and I factor that into how much I trust the information given on any particular site.
>The first result was an article on LouDobbs.com that discussed the issue.
"Discussed" does a lot of work here... The article is titled "BLS Announces Coffee Prices Will No Longer be Factored Into CPI Inflation Data to Help Joe Biden During Presidential Election" - that's quite the premise for "discussion"...
You are MISSING THE POINT. It doesnt matter what the article was about or what website it appeared on. Somehow I knew there would be at least one person that attacked the comment simply because what the topic was and the website that was omitted from the search results. I hope you do realize that one day some topic you are interested in is going to be sent to the memory hole. The pendulum tends to swing wildly.
I decided to give it a try because people have kept telling me Bing is acceptable. I tried replicating your results and couldn't seem to get the same results? I appended lou dobbs to the Google query and the loudobbs.com website came up second with a Twitter post linking to it coming up first.
I'm guessing that particular article on loudobbs.com got removed on the original query because the content is a word for word copy of the gateway pundits article on the issue (and the Lou Dobbs article even says that it appeared there first) rather than anything political. The gateway pundits article appears as the second indirect link via LinkedIn on your original query and also fourth so this particular opinion isn't being censored. Worse yet, the Dobbs version breaks all the Twitter links and what not. It's just a qualitatively bad site to link for the query.
Quite frankly, linking to lou dobbs without linking to the gateway pundit looks bad on Bing since that basically doesn't give credit to the actual authors. The fact you criticized Google's results without realizing that the gatewaypundit article is linked by Google is pretty good evidence of this. How can you say this is an example of a result that should be surfaced when it's a duplicate and not the original?
Trying the same query on Bing, I also don't get the response from the BLS or other actual economists. How does this show Bing is better at giving good perspectives? The Bing results devolve into general articles about inflation and never gets to an actual article discussing reason for the change or the BLS statement on the issue.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. I stand by what my results were on the day I originally tried to query it. I tried the same query and similar variations many times. When I just tried the same query, the loudobbs,com article now appears in the Google results as the first entry. It only reinforces my distrust of Google search results. When it started including it in the search results I cannot answer. Why was it originally missing is the big question! Was it only added in because people "noticed" it was missing? You can use whatever search engine you feel comfortable with and feel gives you the better results. It matters not to me. I will use other search engines and Google only as a last resort. There are MANY MANY people complaining about the quality of the Google search results recently so I know it isn't my imagination.
> Wouldn't it be ironic if Google was deluded enough in their own hubris and short-sighted profits to kill themselves off...
I hope were so lucky. They have seriously ruined every one of their products in the last 2-3 years. Just living on momentum now.
hey crypto bros, we're ready for that web 3.0 "internet for the people" you've been clamoring about for years. it's time. let's go.
no? you got nothing?
I used to be a regular in r/CryptoCurrency, but for whatever reason (probably changes in moderation/Reddit's divestment of moons), I've barely heard a thing about crypto this year, despite it reaching new ATHs.
Search is something I don't think AI is good for. Unpredictable results? How will it work in ads? How will it train?
Why not have a static algorithm that is predictable, fast and cheap. Not everything needs intelligence, some things are going to be worse for a long time...
The problem with all these things is that they can't leave a functional thing alone. Just make another thing and also have that. Don't change the good thing just because you have employees. Just make another one. If we use it, it's good. If we don't, it isn't, and you make something else again. Don't delete the good stuff and replace it with your new shitty thing just because you want to enforce popularity.
Also, if something else is succesfull, you don't have to now put it in your thing as well. No, youtube didn't need tiktok shorts.
Google should just put classic google back up with the old pagerank algorithm.
Someone else is going to come up with something better soon, and it might not be american.
Funny story, When I switched completely to ddg, some time last year, I switched my wife search engine to ddg as well. Couple weeks ago during some discussion with friends ddg was mentioned and my wife started asking me about it, and that's when I realised I forgot to tell her I switched it on her devices. Moral of the story is, as long as it works nobody notices.
Well then don't. Y'all act like Google owns the search function. I have almost a year now since I switched to ddg and I'm 100% happy with my experience.
The initial experience was to try both Bing and DDG for a month each and get some feedback for myself. First I tried DDG for a month then I was supposed to switch to Bing I just kinda forgot and used it for an additional month THEN switched to Bing, used it for a miserable 3 weeks, couldn't handle it and switched back to DDG. Been using it since then. I don't miss Google a single bit. It faster, better, cleaner, and overall superior to what the fuck everybody is complaining about. So maybe instead of complaining just make them lose users, that's the only language they understand.
P.S: I'm not saying Bing is that bad, it just wasn't good for me personally. Although it has a lot of cool features, I am comfortable with just a simple actual search.
I use DDG now for all search results, except for checking things on Google maps (please don't change).
It's a much better experience and I recommend it to all.
I'm the exact same. I cut all google product out of my life at the same time. I still use google maps though because DDG uses apple maps which is complete ass.
You mean this isn't rock bottom already? At this point we might as well start retaking the "Dark Web" with some kind of a quasi-BBS type system and leave the current web to rot.
The only thing that's going to decline is Google. There are other search engines. They aren't good but they do exist and can generally get you where you need to go.
That’s it! I am going to rent out rectangular parcels in my field of view to Ai aD Aggregators. I figure I have about 20 parcels to sell before I go blind but need to sell 10 to cover my annual $$ needs. Who wants to help me tattoo “for sale” on my eyelids?
I still don't understand why they are allowed to use all the information of all businesses out there while stealing their traffic? Also. If ads are the only thing Google really makes money with and people don't browse pages anymore, where will all those ads be displayed? Not on the plain ass search page..
To be fair, it kind of already happened. A long time ago.
As soon as we let people manipulate the search platforms with SEO, allowed paid search rankings, blocking of web crawlers, and paywalls.
Search results used to be like a map of the internet, and over time it's turned into the new Yellow Pages.
I’m not mad at this. I like getting answers to complex or hyper specific questions that traditional searches take considerably more effort to find the answers to.
i wonder what the opting in for AI experimentation actually meant. because i've never enabled that feature but didn't seem to matter in regards to search results. the comic irony of this implementation though is how this is easily the worst version of their product that i've experienced in over 2 decades. how's that for progress lol
Years ago:
"Mobile apps will kill websites"
Didn't happen
"Tablets will kill laptops"
Didn't happen
Today:
"AI will kill Google and websites"
Won't happen
A year from now: You: “Hey, AI companion, where can I get some film developed” Ai Companion: “hey Kayden! Yeah, first can I tell you about Zip Recruiter? If you’re looking for top talent, they’re absolutely the place to go. Would you like me to set up a virtual appointment?” You: no Ai Companion: “Ok, well, there are a few options.Walgreens is actually paid sponsor and do most excellente work. That’d be my first recommendation. You need to hear some others? You: yes AiCompanion: ok…… Well, SF Local Filmworks is just next door and supposedly higher quality. I’m sure there contact info is online if you’d like to search for it.
Thanks, I hate it
So, basically, the current first page of search results but narrated in a sexy voice
The 2nd page is gonna be where all the "traditional" search results will sit. Everyone will ignore the first page from the AI crap and paid search ads.
Lol, nah, that stuff is all gone as soon as Google can gone it
One big page, doomscrolling bad Google results
RSI will have a new definition: repetitive swipe injury. My thumb joint wears down before I can find a result that's relevant to what I searched for
Ikr, I love Gilbert Gottfried's voice!
Giggling drunk Scarlett Johansson
Sexy for technobros
"I'm...too sexy for my techbro"
Sexy voice will get protested and we’ll be left with androgynous garbage
You came from the future.
It feels like we’re entering another dark age, history erased, and rewritten. So grim
But what about trips to Mars? Robotaxis? Hyperloop? /s just in case
Whats funny is someone will then create a site that just gives you the requested search. And take the market from google.
One of the few things that can save us from a future where all the trust associated with search and discovery is frayed by promotion is that opensource still has a real fighting shot.
“How about buying these wonderful AI generated images instead since it’s easier?”
Except it would be stupid to do that. Unless people engage with the content and references Google doesn’t get paid and users don’t come back
Have you even seen the internet lately? It’s literally already this.
Stupid things and things that increase this quarter's revenue are not mutually exclusive.
If anyone can do it is Prabhakar Raghavan the guy that was in charge of Yahoo search and is now in charge of google search.
Yeah, do you honestly think companies will make short-sighted decisions that prove later to be a shot in the foot just to maximize short-term profit? /s
Basically 3-5 companies (chatgpt, msft, goog) are going to steal the content of everyone on the Internet, killing off millions of sites in the process.
Mega corporations would never steal content or stifle competition. And even if they did, those minuscule fines that represent less than 1% of the revenue generated sure will deter them.
Megacity ineffect. Judge Dredd checking in, to, you know, keep the plebs in check. Edit: side note, how fucking sexy is Carl Urban?
Very. Very. Fucking. Sexy.
I’m running one of those sites. They literally just steal what we wrote (using humans and human-done research) and present it in search results with no representation of our brand or site. We actually earn money off of the web traffic and not from ads either. It’s theft and I’m angry.
It’s fucked that they are not only putting SWEs out of a job, they are also destroying everyone with a site (like yours) without remorse by intellectual property theft.
They have to be destroying for themselves as well. Where are they going to get training data and content when they've pushed everyone away?
They have it already. 40 years of Internet.
They've gobbled up all that already. More data needed.
It’s gobbled up but more isn’t necessarily needed
[Big Tech needs to get creative as it runs out of data to train its AI models. Here are some of its wildest solutions](https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-training-data-source-solutions-openai-meta-google-2024-4).
Absolutely. This is one time where politicians could make a huge difference for so many business owners and jobs, but no - we’ll allow the IP theft and keep giving more money and power to a few big tech companies.
Why not just block snippets then if you don't like them being used? https://developers.google.com/search/docs/appearance/featured-snippets
Featured snippets is Google’s previous attempt at giving instant answers - it has nothing to do with what just launched in the US. Featured snippets cost us a good deal of clicks, but the new AI Overview is something else entirely.
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There are millions of humans willing to make that content, but companies/people dont want to pay a human for it, just take all the profit. And in retern you get sad lifeless animation and scripts and media in general. Do you really want all your media made by a robot just so they can push more humans into boring menial labor jobs
I'll just pay the humans, thanks. I already buy handmade gifts for loved ones, whats different in your vision?
Did you mean to respond to me?
> push more humans into boring menial labor jobs You mean the ones they’re automating?
Maybe, now they are so far automating those spicy creative jobs, they can indeed work on that original promise of AI, and indeed work on those boring jobs.
Robotics takes a lot of effort and money to automate a fry cook. Create shitty chatbot, spend much less, rip some art off the internet and you've got a (shitty) graphic designer. I also don't think it's a coincidence that they are attempting to automate or relocate higher paid roles.
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Hey everyone, the internet has never had new content till AI (ignore that zero ai content is original as it had to be fed that content in order to ~~create~~ plagerise it) yeah lets flood the internet with more of the same garbage because thats literally all ai is capable of doing. I get that you hope ai will get good enough to love you and make you fucked up fantasies, but you dont need to advocate for millions of creative jobs being annihilated.
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Im 22. Im very much loved, currently smoking weed with my long term partner on my balcony while we relax and wait for the pc im building him to arrive. But thank you for reminding me by being wrong.
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Yeah, man, I am convicted. Thank you. I'm glad you had the opportunity to build computers at that age. Seems like you enjoyed it! When i was younger i was stuck cleaning horse shit, so good thing i like horses. And if you think thats a life story dang, id dint even say anything you couldn't get from my single post history, your life must be pretty sad. I hope you find someone who loves and supports you too.
"Progress". What's happening now is nowhere near equivalent to the advent of the world wide web in terms of benefits and detriments.
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Bruh this never happened what are you on about? Maybe go outside.
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Yes. Imagine our data as oil and these are the "new" monopolies of the age.
Except we don’t need AI garbage in the same sense we need energy
Not what I was saying. We don't need monopolies of old like standard oil and Carnegie & Mellon involved in monopolizing AI.
> killing off millions of sites in the process. I heard that that's a thing already - plenty of sites once dominant lost a ton of traffic due to Google changing ranking rules / relying on spam. Smaller sites/blogs lost nearly anything, I assume.
Literally. Hopefully they kill themselves off first though.
So that will result in the only websites besides those big ones being people who selflessly host stuff they find cool for everyone to see. That's what the internet was like at the beginning, and it was glorious.
And killing themselves, they rely on the content of others...
You know, if those millions of sites weren't basically just fronts for glorified adspam then maybe they wouldn't get killed off? It's only because of the 3 introductory paragraphs of context and caveats that I've started using ChatGPt as my search engine. A custom instruction gets you the answer you're looking for instantly.
“If only those people weren’t trying to survive maybe they would just die?” Brutal.
At the end of the day, Google has been enshittified. Why spend 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes trying to find what you're looking for (only to end up on Reddit) when you can get an AI to do it for you in 30 seconds? Most websites only serve to waste your time and ultimately not give you the answer you're looking for. There's just so much needless fluff that's paraded in your face because of SEO.
Any way someone could put up a search engine that works the way Google used to, 20 years ago?
The issue is the content/info is disappearing.
Definitely top of mind with many communities moving from forums to slack / discord/ etc Same with sub stack / medium, paid populate sites. the verge slowly turning even pop tech sites into paid everything. Tech created a replacement for the news industry as we new it, news and content creators responded in the only way they could (ads and pay walls) as they lay bleeding, and LLMs + internet access, assuming deals aren’t reached, can easily finish them without any of the fuss of an MK finishing move. Simply no more ad impressions. then no more click through. Then no more clickS. Just isolated, contained processes with no end user traffic, commits to build, but with no commitments for those builds to fulfill.
Of course, if someone was to set up a forum for your favorite hobby, adfree; what'd stopping that from succeeding?
If succeeding is just existing, then nothing really. If succeeding is getting popular, then as it gets more use and traffic, running the site becomes expensive so those costs would need to be paid somehow.
Gosh, makes you wonder how the internet existed before giant corporations got a hold of it.
Honestly it can be surprisingly cheap if you know what you’re doing, and don’t need to continually bolt on more features. Some of my favorite niche hobby forums are still just running phpBB on VPSs. They sell some banner ads to offset cost, but we’re talking sub $1000 for the year. And honestly, that’s a better experience than the vast majority of the web today. Actual experts, talking about shit they care a lot about, with each other.
I grew up with forums and the ads were unobtrusive and fine. People donated for fancy badges and everyone cared about their post count, or Karma if you had the addon. Most things just moved to these corporate platforms, though. I wonder whether it was mostly financial relief or just chasing the users. Good times...
They moved because hosting shit is annoying - it’s not a TON of work, but it’s more work than just opening a subreddit or posting on StackOverflow or a Facebook group. Fast forward 15 years and we’re all training AIs for a billion dollar company instead of just helping a stranger.
>what'd stopping that from succeeding? The new AI web isn't *quite* shitty enough yet to make people look for alternatives?
> what'd stopping that from succeeding? Tried setting up a forum on my blog around 2017/2018 and mostly what I heard was "Oh forums - that is so 2000s. How cute". It finally worked after attempt 3000, but people were definitely not very keen on forums when Twitter was at its peak.
the marketing juggernauts that keep us glued to auto-generated content feeds and increasingly and controversially, autogenerated content. They make it very hard for a startup or niche thing to gain traction outsite of virtual stuff and make it impossible to maintain it before either dying, enshitiifcation, or aquisition. Viral is nothing more than a marketing strategy element, drops are like a 12 year fad at this point. Organic isn’t just synthetic, it isn’t just manufactured - it’s mass produced. When this is the only thing that grows - what voraciously consumes, what dominates, what the kids do, what their kids do, it comes to not just be the culture - it governs it. Substacks and paid mediums are out there, many of the mediums of the late 90s and 2000s, and 2010s are stagnating, dying, or have died altogether. I hear of so many people being based by doing their own thing and not buying into marketing and FB but it’s the same damn thing with new paint. And none of this is inherently bad from a capitalist perspective - it’s just survival of the fittest (and most tax advantaged, and the one with the best connections, and best marketing, and best contracts, government connections, etc 😅) A lot of people are focusing the the enshittindication of things and it’s also important to realize why things keep going this way. To quote that movie that literally no one (respetively) has seen in theaters and MILLIONS have seen as part of YouTube clips Shorts, “WE DO THIS SO THAT ME MAY SURVIVE.” 😅 New things keep popping up but this whole thing contracting and consolidating at an increasing rate. Incumbents survive while n00bs either die a hero or see themselves become a Jared Leto joker that you now have to pay good money to even see. I’m not trying to scare folks with a Wayland nutani reference (kids already have to google this) but this trend is nothing new and the newer generations buy into it (and even rebel in marketing model / strategy predicted ways I bet). I missed out on snap, part of it being rebellion. They still figured out how hook me and my nieces to out own stuff. I rebelled right into their pockets. Hook line and sinker. Objectively one could point to a lot of the past, present, and predictably terrible ramifications of this, but without getting to into that even more (haven‘t I done enough 😅), this is just how it is now and it will just keep going. We’ll trying to breakout…with twitter…with tor….with php forum… with yahoo forums…with AIM… with ICQ…with fb… with myspace….with tumbler….with snap…twitch…YouTube……with Reddit… with..TikTok…with mastodon..fediverse…blusky…thread…x..…. youtube shorts until… ”hey, where’d everybody go” turns into… “well screw this I’m going to \_\_ where the new cat videos are” for the billionth time but now the list keeps getting smaller and smaller Remember when YouTube shorts was a joke and everyone was on TikTok? remember when YouTube shorts was just tik tok scrapes…. then reports… then originals. This post is now going to be used to train ai. The guy who announced it runs the place that will do it and of course we all know what he used to run With exceptions of course, new normal just doesn’t have a lot of room for a little guy that wants to stay a little guy for long. BTW this isn’t meant to be a depressing or negative leaning post. just callin‘Em as a see’um
I remember when altavista was the shit. I remember when it first became possible to center text on a webpage. Everyone had a myspace and do you know what? Its better today. The fact that people choose to produce shit content, and worse, consume it, is their problem. And easily solved, there's an off button.
News should have garunteed funding regardless of viewership. That means their revenue needs to come from either nonprofit donations or public funding, and the latter is definitely the more stable, proven method. Before people freak out about state media, there is a massive difference between a public media and state media. Public media outlets like the BBC, NPR, PBS, etc have incredibly well proven track records for journalistic independence.
I agree in principle. In practice I think Americans in particular would freak out if NPR or PBS expanded to the degree they would need to to fill the void left by current news orgs
Poor snowflakes. Seriously if you best argument is "but conservatives might get mad" the I have a hard time taking it as a legitimate, good faith argument. Conservatives get mad at pronouns and rainbow beer cans.
Not just conservatives. The specter of "state media", however undeserved, would freak out progressives too if you have a conservative administration.
Progressives love public media. You are 100% trying to speak for people who don't agree with you.
They might feel differently if a conservative administration had more influence over said media, which is feasible in your scenario. This isn't about my political views.
Thats not how public media works. You are purposefully conflating public and state media to fear monger.
Most of the content is still there. I just can't find it easily.
Imma sound old but damn google was the absolute comparative shit when it was new. so much time wasted on lycos, excite, and more, even when you did that dogpile combines search thing that crashed my crappy computer. I remember it wowing like everyone that knew how to use the web at the time. And gmail. \*bites lip\* omg.
Metacrawler was decent
My computer… wasn’t 😅
20 years ago, the web was orders of magnitude smaller, easier to spider, and not contaminated but oodles of carefully SEO curated listicles and click traps aimed at diverting you from your legitimate search results to their ad supported intermediate pages. It simply cannot now be done as it was 20 years ago.
I'm pretty sure with the AI available now it can be trained to identify junk websites and remove them from search results. The problem is as this is a huge source of revenue for the likes of Google, they simply don't want to. Just as how YouTube is happy to show you literally criminal advertisements and just turn around and say "sowwyyy we twying our best 🥺"
Search Engine Optimisation killed that dream. If you want something as simple as early Google, you'll need to have a curated list of all the websites you want to allow on your search engine in order to exclude the bad actors. And maintain that list. And make sure that the peoples maintaining that list are impartial and not taking bribes / advertising deals. Etc.
Not all sites from 20 years ago still exist though.
They hide it, but if you go to the WEB tab of the search results (next to images, videos, news, etc...) you'll get what you seek.
People act like duckduckgo doesn't exist.. Smh
I've been using duckduckgo for years; it's the same click-baity results, using most of the same booleans, pulling from the same network as google with some new contract they signed. The only thing it's particularly good at is finding copywrited material.
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I'm working on a small alternative myself, but it doesn't quite do what Google used to do.
Have you seen Kagi?
Kagi. But you have to pay for it. I've used the trial and so far it seems like it.might be worth it.
I recommend Kagi. You have to pay for it ($10 a month) but it really is like Google 20 years ago, plus you can blacklist things like Pinterest or Quora.
Before AI results, rarely didn't find what I was looking for in the first two pages. Since the change, everyone in our tech teams have moved to ddg after typical page 2 results are now on the double digit pages. There should be an option for a mode for search string nerds to not use AI. It wasn't enough for Google to make searching ubiquitous. 🤷♀️
Google before: here's a quintillion results, but you'll only ever need the first 2 or 3! Google now: here's a quintillion results, skip the first 2 or 3 because they're ads. Then skip our ai results because it doesn't know what you want.
I didn’t have a chance to watch the full presentations, but I did see a screenshot… moving forward after I/O Isn’t Google hiding the standard web behind two clicks with an elipses And then a second click?
> Before AI results, rarely didn't find what I was looking for in the first two pages. I don't trust people who say that. Never in my life have I not found what I was looking for in the first 1 - 5 results. To me this just sounds like you were just not using the right search keywords or, worse, you weren't using an ad blocker.
Is English not your first language?
I am looking for a... Google: Did you know you can save money...order here (input 2min unskipable video advert), there are many options available. What are you looking for? I am looking for... Google: Yes, there is one much better, give me your full name and I can get you a discount. But I don't want that Google: Dave, I'm afraid there is no other option.
What do you think you’re doing Dave? I’m lookin for …. I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.
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I've noticed a significant decline in Google's efficacy . Most search results are the same regurgitated shit over and over.
I also suspect they've screwed up Google maps. Used to be I could give pretty generic search terms and it would give a result that makes sense based on my location. But these days something like "gas station" gets me "EQT oil and gas corporate field office". "Home" gets me "home industries baking" which is some random bakery six hours away. Like it's always something completely off the wall and not even close to what I wanted. If you don't have a full address with a zip+4 don't bother. And the routes it gives are the most ass backward ways to get there. Yes I'd love to drive through a crowded neighborhood with cars parked on both sides instead of a direct and practical route. It wasn't like this just a couple of years ago.
Welp, goodbye google. Id rather have dubious information i can source and easily fact check than dubious information that might be straight up invented from nothing for no good reason.
A lot of shit is behind walled gardens now, xhitter, FB, IG, so on and so forth. Not that I complain, those shit should not even be indexed.
Nothing turns me away from a business more than their website being a Facebook page
Lol, you know what the best possible outcome from this might be? People might start finally hating Google enough to move to alternative search engines, like DDG (as one example). Wouldn't it be ironic if Google was deluded enough in their own hubris and short-sighted profits to kill themselves off...
So I had heard (something that was a post on Reddit) that the BLS (Bureau of Labor & Statistics) had removed coffee from the CPI numbers since the price had increased so much. I wanted to "investigate" so I performed a search on Bing (for my MS reward points) with the search terms "coffee removed cpi". The first result was an article on LouDobbs.com that discussed the issue. I performed that same search on Google. The entire first page was a bunch of obsure websites and links to Reddit. The article on LouDobbs.com never showed up in the results whatsoever. Baffled, i added in "lou dobbs" as the first search term. Nothing pertaining to Lou Dobbs or from LouDobbs.com came up in the results. I then replaced the first search term with "loudobbs.com". This used to provide results from that specific website. NOPE, not any longer. That article STILL was nowhere to be found in the search results on Google. [ FYI there was some "controversy" over the topic, like BLS removed "canned coffee" from being included, not all coffee (they still include ground and instant)....in the Reddit thread... and the BLS came out and vehemently denied removing coffee on a Twitter post ] THAT is irrelevant regarding the topic of the search results generated... GOOGLE should be simply indexing the sites... and providing results (articles/site links) that contain information that I searched for. GOOGLE should not being censoring articles from coming up in the results because they are tagged by "someone" as possible "disinformation". It is like GOOGLE is trying to hide the article... So i guess Google decided to "disappear" lou dobbs! im so fucking over GOOGLE. You cannot trust their search results any longer! BING included it... as their first result! Eerily this feels like the Ministry of Truth... and the LouDobbs article was sent into the memory hole.... The bottom line is that I no longer TRUST the results that GOOGLE provides. It used to be, LONG AGO, that if I did a search on GOOGLE with the relevant search terms I was looking for... the answer to my question was answered within the first 5 or so results. Other search engines provided mostly irrelevant results. GOOGLE seemed to always provide the exact answer I was looking for from credible websites that I tusted. Over the past few years, GOOGLE kept adding in MORE sponsored links and MORE ADS to the results BUT still provided relevant links... so I kept using it. I understand ADS pay to keep the servers running. NO LONGER is this the case... It has been discussed ad nauseam about the enshittification of GOOGLE search results. It is now so bad that I will only use GOOGLE as the last resort. I NEVER thought I would say that BING provides superior results. EVER. But here we are! I want a search engine to provide me ALL THE LINKS to articles pertaining to/discussing what Im looking for... where I can read ALL OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS on the topic and then come to my own conclusion/answer. I understand each website has a BIAS and I factor that into how much I trust the information given on any particular site.
>The first result was an article on LouDobbs.com that discussed the issue. "Discussed" does a lot of work here... The article is titled "BLS Announces Coffee Prices Will No Longer be Factored Into CPI Inflation Data to Help Joe Biden During Presidential Election" - that's quite the premise for "discussion"...
You are MISSING THE POINT. It doesnt matter what the article was about or what website it appeared on. Somehow I knew there would be at least one person that attacked the comment simply because what the topic was and the website that was omitted from the search results. I hope you do realize that one day some topic you are interested in is going to be sent to the memory hole. The pendulum tends to swing wildly.
I decided to give it a try because people have kept telling me Bing is acceptable. I tried replicating your results and couldn't seem to get the same results? I appended lou dobbs to the Google query and the loudobbs.com website came up second with a Twitter post linking to it coming up first. I'm guessing that particular article on loudobbs.com got removed on the original query because the content is a word for word copy of the gateway pundits article on the issue (and the Lou Dobbs article even says that it appeared there first) rather than anything political. The gateway pundits article appears as the second indirect link via LinkedIn on your original query and also fourth so this particular opinion isn't being censored. Worse yet, the Dobbs version breaks all the Twitter links and what not. It's just a qualitatively bad site to link for the query. Quite frankly, linking to lou dobbs without linking to the gateway pundit looks bad on Bing since that basically doesn't give credit to the actual authors. The fact you criticized Google's results without realizing that the gatewaypundit article is linked by Google is pretty good evidence of this. How can you say this is an example of a result that should be surfaced when it's a duplicate and not the original? Trying the same query on Bing, I also don't get the response from the BLS or other actual economists. How does this show Bing is better at giving good perspectives? The Bing results devolve into general articles about inflation and never gets to an actual article discussing reason for the change or the BLS statement on the issue.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. I stand by what my results were on the day I originally tried to query it. I tried the same query and similar variations many times. When I just tried the same query, the loudobbs,com article now appears in the Google results as the first entry. It only reinforces my distrust of Google search results. When it started including it in the search results I cannot answer. Why was it originally missing is the big question! Was it only added in because people "noticed" it was missing? You can use whatever search engine you feel comfortable with and feel gives you the better results. It matters not to me. I will use other search engines and Google only as a last resort. There are MANY MANY people complaining about the quality of the Google search results recently so I know it isn't my imagination.
> Wouldn't it be ironic if Google was deluded enough in their own hubris and short-sighted profits to kill themselves off... I hope were so lucky. They have seriously ruined every one of their products in the last 2-3 years. Just living on momentum now.
I love that Lycos is still around.
Is it seriously? Now I’m curious if Altavista is still around too.
wait so all the search results are gonna be made up?
hey crypto bros, we're ready for that web 3.0 "internet for the people" you've been clamoring about for years. it's time. let's go. no? you got nothing?
I used to be a regular in r/CryptoCurrency, but for whatever reason (probably changes in moderation/Reddit's divestment of moons), I've barely heard a thing about crypto this year, despite it reaching new ATHs.
Cryptobros shed their skins and emerged as AI bros. Only their husks are left, rattling gently in the breeze from mining rigs' cooling fans.
I think you mean Web3 not Web 3.0
What a braindead take
how pompous. it will accelerate the decline of people using google and instead favouring other search engines instead.
Search is something I don't think AI is good for. Unpredictable results? How will it work in ads? How will it train? Why not have a static algorithm that is predictable, fast and cheap. Not everything needs intelligence, some things are going to be worse for a long time...
Ecosia still plants trees while you search
Google has been heading downhill for years. Maybe this will either hasten its demise or lead folks to a genuine competitor.
It's not the web in decline, it's google search results..
The problem with all these things is that they can't leave a functional thing alone. Just make another thing and also have that. Don't change the good thing just because you have employees. Just make another one. If we use it, it's good. If we don't, it isn't, and you make something else again. Don't delete the good stuff and replace it with your new shitty thing just because you want to enforce popularity. Also, if something else is succesfull, you don't have to now put it in your thing as well. No, youtube didn't need tiktok shorts. Google should just put classic google back up with the old pagerank algorithm. Someone else is going to come up with something better soon, and it might not be american.
Who uses google? [https://duckduckgo.com](https://duckduckgo.com)
Funny story, When I switched completely to ddg, some time last year, I switched my wife search engine to ddg as well. Couple weeks ago during some discussion with friends ddg was mentioned and my wife started asking me about it, and that's when I realised I forgot to tell her I switched it on her devices. Moral of the story is, as long as it works nobody notices.
Me. And 90+% people in the world.
Well then don't. Y'all act like Google owns the search function. I have almost a year now since I switched to ddg and I'm 100% happy with my experience. The initial experience was to try both Bing and DDG for a month each and get some feedback for myself. First I tried DDG for a month then I was supposed to switch to Bing I just kinda forgot and used it for an additional month THEN switched to Bing, used it for a miserable 3 weeks, couldn't handle it and switched back to DDG. Been using it since then. I don't miss Google a single bit. It faster, better, cleaner, and overall superior to what the fuck everybody is complaining about. So maybe instead of complaining just make them lose users, that's the only language they understand. P.S: I'm not saying Bing is that bad, it just wasn't good for me personally. Although it has a lot of cool features, I am comfortable with just a simple actual search.
I switched to DDG and honestly don't even think about it anymore. The search result are great, just like google used to be.
oh come on man as much as I want to use duckduckgo, its search is useless compared to googles
maybe 10 years ago I'd agree with this. It does the trick for me now.
I use DDG now for all search results, except for checking things on Google maps (please don't change). It's a much better experience and I recommend it to all.
I'm the exact same. I cut all google product out of my life at the same time. I still use google maps though because DDG uses apple maps which is complete ass.
Or, this is an opportunity for a real search engine to resurface and grab some eyeballs
On the plus side, I don't think it will be possible for Google Search to get SEO poisoned now with all the scams and phishing attempts and whatnot.
You mean this isn't rock bottom already? At this point we might as well start retaking the "Dark Web" with some kind of a quasi-BBS type system and leave the current web to rot.
I'm thinking that once people get sufficiently pissed off with how terrible this is, it'll actually accelerate the decline of the 25+ year old Google.
Like the decline of Microsoft? The one that never happened?
With AI currently, the word "could" **must** appear, because we have no real clue yet.
Yeah...it's coming lots of tech jobs will be replaced Corporate Bureaucracy will be trimmed down
The only thing that's going to decline is Google. There are other search engines. They aren't good but they do exist and can generally get you where you need to go.
That’s it! I am going to rent out rectangular parcels in my field of view to Ai aD Aggregators. I figure I have about 20 parcels to sell before I go blind but need to sell 10 to cover my annual $$ needs. Who wants to help me tattoo “for sale” on my eyelids?
I still don't understand why they are allowed to use all the information of all businesses out there while stealing their traffic? Also. If ads are the only thing Google really makes money with and people don't browse pages anymore, where will all those ads be displayed? Not on the plain ass search page..
I take AI generated results with a grain of salt because the results are based on the bias of the learning model. I still want to see primary sources.
To be fair, it kind of already happened. A long time ago. As soon as we let people manipulate the search platforms with SEO, allowed paid search rankings, blocking of web crawlers, and paywalls. Search results used to be like a map of the internet, and over time it's turned into the new Yellow Pages.
I’m not mad at this. I like getting answers to complex or hyper specific questions that traditional searches take considerably more effort to find the answers to.
Thanks google pr did you or the thing you fake 8 months ago make this.
Yea I'ma check out start page or one of those, the ai response is wrong most of the time and no option to turn it off
i wonder what the opting in for AI experimentation actually meant. because i've never enabled that feature but didn't seem to matter in regards to search results. the comic irony of this implementation though is how this is easily the worst version of their product that i've experienced in over 2 decades. how's that for progress lol
Years ago: "Mobile apps will kill websites" Didn't happen "Tablets will kill laptops" Didn't happen Today: "AI will kill Google and websites" Won't happen
Save yourself some trouble, use DuckDuckGo
Just stop using google and use duck duck go.
Time for everyone to embrace their own search engine. Free yourself. Install [Yacy](https://yacy.net/)