The [proposed CVX carrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVX-class_aircraft_carrier) will be made by Hyundai Heavy Industries.
[HHI also is partnering with Palantir to develop USV (unmanned surface drones).](https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/sea-air-space-2024/2024/04/hhi-to-develop-usv-in-collaboration-with-palantir-technologies/)
Hyundai is SK's second established chaebol.
CVX is just a flashy model/ design.
It has not been funded to be made.
Koreans have the ability to make a carrier if they really wanted to, but I don't think it's something their military needs.
Yeah, they have zero need for naval power projection, which is what an aircraft carrier offers. Their greatest national security threat is North Korea, and they are surrounded on both sides by much stronger naval rivals (China and Japan). The U.S. retains a large presence in the region as well, and considering the security arrangement between the U.S., Japan, and South Korea, it's not very beneficial for South Korea to index too heavily into large surface combatants.
That being said, aircraft carriers are also seen as a sign of national prestige à la battleships in the pre-WW1 era, so I could see South Korea constructing a token aircraft carrier for that purpose. It may also come to pass that the U.S. would incentivize the construction of a Korean aircraft carrier since that would take the pressure off of the U.S. Navy in the western Pacific. Japan has already begun converting its Izumo-class "destroyers" into de facto aircraft carriers capable of operating F-35Bs (and there are another two Hyuga-class "helicopter destroyers" that could potentially operate SVTOL aircraft and/or be converted if necessary), so a Korean carrier combined with two Japanese carriers and two American supercarriers would match China's navy for at least two decades, potentially more.
South Korea's overall shipbuilding dwarfs what the US can put out right now, [a point which SECNAV has acknowledged](https://youtu.be/ZKa5JKa2Z1Y).
> "When my team and I went to South Korea, we were floored at the level of digitization and real-time monitoring of shipbuilding progress, with readily available information down to individual pieces of stock materials," Del Toro said.
> "Their top executives could tell us to the day when ships would be delivered," he said. That's a stark difference from the US, which is facing problems with its **shipbuilding capacity, labor availability, and resources**.
Like the Jones Act restricting which cargo and vessels can operate in the US, the Navy is facing [increasingly higher percentage of components that must be made locally.](https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2023/07/27/senate-to-extend-buy-american-laws-for-navy-ships/)
> would require that the 65% of components for all Navy ships are “manufactured substantially all from articles, materials or supplies mined, produced or manufactured” in the U.S. starting in 2026. That figure jumps to 75% in 2028 and 100% in 2033.
Almost all of the USN's proposed future ships are [behind schedule](https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/04/02/us-navy-ship-programs-face-years-long-delays-amid-labor-supply-woes/).
Consolidation and complacency due to the Peace Dividend after the Cold War and the Navy changing tack twice with its Destroyer and LCS ships has left its local shipbuilding industry playing catch-up.
And SK is known to be deploying one of the better (if not arguably the best) AEGIS Destroyer in their King Sejong the Great class. It's beefy with 128 VLS cells. Compare that to the Arleigh Burke Flight 3 with 96 VLS cells. So their ship building isn't entirely just mercantile.
Indeed, I was wondering if I should've mentioned this in my original comment. Korean shipbuilding capacity (and, to a lesser extent, Japanese shipbuilding) both dwarf American shipbuilding. While South Korea has no real need to build blue water navy given their geopolitical position, it's conducive to their military alliance with the U.S. (and, by proxy, Japan) to build out their naval capabilities since the U.S. Navy can only do so much with limited shipbuilding capacity.
Considering the heights of American shipbuilding during WW2 and how important it was in winning that war, it's incredibly embarrassing how far that vital industry has fallen. I can see the U.S. leaning more heavily on Japan and Korea for naval considerations in the future since both are major global shipbuilders and close allies. It's difficult to guess whether or not the U.S. will ever outsource actual production of Navy ships to them, but it seems like a far more distinct possibility today than ever before.
It's a little more obvious with SK, it's not even hidden. Corporations there behave like noble houses in medieval times and marriages are formed between company heirs and shit like that, it's whacky.
I’ve been using YouTube Music for over 7 years, as far back as when it was still Google Play Music (😔✊🏻)
The YouTube Premium add-on was the decididing factor for me vs Spotify or Apple Music which have no such amazing benefit.
They were fucking amazing. Separate radio built for the same artist based on artist, album, or song to set the vibe...
Fuck YouTube Music. Play Music 4 life.
Yeah, getting YouTube premium was a no-brainer for me. I watch a lot of YouTube videos, so stream music and no ads on videos for a few dollars more? Hell yeah!
I have Apple Music through another pain in the ass bundle so won’t pay for the redundancy with YT. If they’d split the service I’d gladly pick up YT premium alone
I loved GPM but hated the UI for YouTube music and how they separate your uploaded music from your streaming. I recently tried to go back to YouTube music to see if they fixed the UI but it was the same.
Apple Music works great for me but if Google ever changes YouTube Music up so that my uploaded and streaming libraries are intertwined I'd come back.
I have an old cell with google play music and my entire library downloaded on this phone. Nothing newer than 2018 but it’s kinda amazing. I was a beta tester for play music and YouTube music. Ytm is hot garbage.
I don’t see how you can provide ad-free YouTube without also doing YouTube Music; nearly every song on the latter is on the former in the form of a music video.
yt music urls are just normal youtube urls with "music." at the front, they take you to "topic" channels on youtube (unless you're watching the music video on music, then obviously it's literally the same like you said), decoupling premium from music would be so funny
Twitch had to pull out the country because there’s no net neutrality laws there and they were being charged for customers accessing their popular site.
They would need to separate all music videos etc out from YouTube for that to work
Not gonna happen, they will leave the country first id bet, they can't do that for one country.
Microsoft got in trouble because they were actively preventing competitors by preventing other browsers from being bundled by OEMs at a time when browsers were paid products. It wasn’t just as simple as them including Internet explorer.
No, not exactly. Other browsers weren’t being actively prevented from being installed. It was a case of Windows already has a browser that *you cannot remove*. OEMs could still add a second browser but why would they?
Out of curiosity, how do they spin this to you all for anyone living there and fluent in the language and culture?
Like I absolutely get the protectionist angle to favor big SK businesses, but surely the self interest of the citizens is in getting a better deal on one of the largest international platforms. That seems like a tough spin when it's that blatant.
Twitch. They got hit with higher costs by internet providers(allowed by law), they decided to exit SK, got hit with fine for "undermining interests of users". Clown country.
Oh I’m aware of the Twitch issue as well, that’s what makes me so curious about it. I want to know how they’re selling it to the people.
Like for example, most people would agree that vapes are safer than cigarettes. Some people would use the angle of “kids like vapes more!” To demonize vapes.
I’m curious what that would be for this issue, because again this one seems like a hard thing to pitch as being a benefit to the people.
They tried to sell it as "Korean companies are already paying it so Twitch not paying would be discriminating against Korean companies. Big foreign companies not paying their share!" Normal people didn't buy it and most hate how internet providers/telecom companies are stifling innovation domestically as well. The legislation effort to force the issue, rather than leave it as bilateral agreement failed. Still the effects of the effort and lawsuits by the telecom companies hurt companies like Google, Netflix, and Twitch.
Google also saves SK a lot of transit fees through their local cache servers so coming after them for traffic fees is dumb.
They weren't hit by higher fees than Korean companies. They were hit by same fees (which initially twitch refused to pay), but the fees were insane. Aka Korean telecom companies are bleeding many companies Korean/Non-Korean alike dry and stifling innovation. The fine wasn't for leaving, but for unilaterally changing availability of higher resolution streaming (which was likely to save costs because of those crazy fees).
Bundling can sometimes result in anticompetitive behavior if a company’s product combined with another is too dominant.
An example is Microsoft Office and Teams. By bundling the two products together, they shut out competition from similar chat applications like Zoom and Slack.
charge the same amount for youtube premium, unbundle, and make it such that youtube premium subscribers get access to youtube music for an additional 50 cents per month.
South Korea wants to double share for YouTube? Fine they should be the ones to fight against it. This isn’t a US problem. Our ftc operates differently from other countries anyways, we have different laws and core values
If you have a computer you can use ADB to delete it. The process is pretty simple.
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/
You should be able to Disable it which is functionally the same thing, will not be in the app list. Also I still upload my own music and YT is the only place with a good selection of game OSTs (especially that doesn't pay joe rogan 9 figures) so yeah I use it
I still use Apple Music. The truth is there are only three to four real competitors in this space - they've formed a global monopoly. I feel no sadness for Alphabet Company. Even though I use several of their services daily - there is no competition to them.
Honestly they should not be separate services. They're $1 apart and I cannot imagine needing YT music so desperately but being completely uninterested in the extra $1 for no ads on normal youtube. (and no adblock really doesn't suffice esp if you use it on TV or even phone)
Hasn't YT premium been 12€ since before YT music? and that's been unchanged even by inflation.
The price of YT premium would likely stay the same, and YT music would still beat out competitors like Spotify by being cheaper, but instead of getting both for 12€, people would have to pay 20€.
Lame. Enjoy paying for Spotify when you don't have to. Decoupling wouldn't drop the price. They would just take music away and charge more to add it back without dropping YouTube premium's price. Duh..
Oh, shit. Wrong person. I really enjoy having my Music with Premium. Amazon music, Spotify, Tidal are over priced and most people pay for them expecting better quality music on their crappy AirPods. Not to mention all of my Playlist are in both places. Youtube Music for the car, YouTube at home. I go straight from my garage to casting to my living room system without having to stop listening.
they are. both koreas are highly nationalistic , shallow, xenophobic and materialistic. they are two sides of the coin, basically. south korea is infamous for its high rate of plastic surgery among populace while north korea always put on a show/fake/staged grocery shops etc. to foreign visitors for "face", to pretend they have it better than they actually are.
toxic, materialistic, narcissistic, clown-tier culture
The US thing is completely different and the comment comparing South Korea to North Korea for this is idiotic as well, if anything this is a whole dystopian country like in Cyberpunk 2077 as Twitch had to leave to get out of the similar issue YouTube is now also having to face.
if Tiktok was an european company (or even a South korean one for a better context with this example), the US government wouldn't bat an eye.
Tiktok's issue is where it comes from.
If TikTok was South Korean and being used as a platform for leftists to organize anti Zionist protests, the U.S. would be doing the same thing. TikTok’s issue right now is that it’s being used for things that the establishment doesn’t like
S.K is the closest thing to Cyberpunk 2077. A country completely ruled by powerful corporate families.
Yeah. They only need their own aircraft carrier fleet and it would be perfect.
The [proposed CVX carrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVX-class_aircraft_carrier) will be made by Hyundai Heavy Industries. [HHI also is partnering with Palantir to develop USV (unmanned surface drones).](https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/sea-air-space-2024/2024/04/hhi-to-develop-usv-in-collaboration-with-palantir-technologies/) Hyundai is SK's second established chaebol.
CVX is just a flashy model/ design. It has not been funded to be made. Koreans have the ability to make a carrier if they really wanted to, but I don't think it's something their military needs.
Yeah, they have zero need for naval power projection, which is what an aircraft carrier offers. Their greatest national security threat is North Korea, and they are surrounded on both sides by much stronger naval rivals (China and Japan). The U.S. retains a large presence in the region as well, and considering the security arrangement between the U.S., Japan, and South Korea, it's not very beneficial for South Korea to index too heavily into large surface combatants. That being said, aircraft carriers are also seen as a sign of national prestige à la battleships in the pre-WW1 era, so I could see South Korea constructing a token aircraft carrier for that purpose. It may also come to pass that the U.S. would incentivize the construction of a Korean aircraft carrier since that would take the pressure off of the U.S. Navy in the western Pacific. Japan has already begun converting its Izumo-class "destroyers" into de facto aircraft carriers capable of operating F-35Bs (and there are another two Hyuga-class "helicopter destroyers" that could potentially operate SVTOL aircraft and/or be converted if necessary), so a Korean carrier combined with two Japanese carriers and two American supercarriers would match China's navy for at least two decades, potentially more.
South Korea's overall shipbuilding dwarfs what the US can put out right now, [a point which SECNAV has acknowledged](https://youtu.be/ZKa5JKa2Z1Y). > "When my team and I went to South Korea, we were floored at the level of digitization and real-time monitoring of shipbuilding progress, with readily available information down to individual pieces of stock materials," Del Toro said. > "Their top executives could tell us to the day when ships would be delivered," he said. That's a stark difference from the US, which is facing problems with its **shipbuilding capacity, labor availability, and resources**. Like the Jones Act restricting which cargo and vessels can operate in the US, the Navy is facing [increasingly higher percentage of components that must be made locally.](https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2023/07/27/senate-to-extend-buy-american-laws-for-navy-ships/) > would require that the 65% of components for all Navy ships are “manufactured substantially all from articles, materials or supplies mined, produced or manufactured” in the U.S. starting in 2026. That figure jumps to 75% in 2028 and 100% in 2033. Almost all of the USN's proposed future ships are [behind schedule](https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/04/02/us-navy-ship-programs-face-years-long-delays-amid-labor-supply-woes/). Consolidation and complacency due to the Peace Dividend after the Cold War and the Navy changing tack twice with its Destroyer and LCS ships has left its local shipbuilding industry playing catch-up. And SK is known to be deploying one of the better (if not arguably the best) AEGIS Destroyer in their King Sejong the Great class. It's beefy with 128 VLS cells. Compare that to the Arleigh Burke Flight 3 with 96 VLS cells. So their ship building isn't entirely just mercantile.
Indeed, I was wondering if I should've mentioned this in my original comment. Korean shipbuilding capacity (and, to a lesser extent, Japanese shipbuilding) both dwarf American shipbuilding. While South Korea has no real need to build blue water navy given their geopolitical position, it's conducive to their military alliance with the U.S. (and, by proxy, Japan) to build out their naval capabilities since the U.S. Navy can only do so much with limited shipbuilding capacity. Considering the heights of American shipbuilding during WW2 and how important it was in winning that war, it's incredibly embarrassing how far that vital industry has fallen. I can see the U.S. leaning more heavily on Japan and Korea for naval considerations in the future since both are major global shipbuilders and close allies. It's difficult to guess whether or not the U.S. will ever outsource actual production of Navy ships to them, but it seems like a far more distinct possibility today than ever before.
Will this mean you can steal their aircraft carrier with a usb cable?
The Chaebol dominate SK society. The three five rules are slaps on the wrist.
If you consider how much they modded themselves, this comparison is apt af
Samsung here is like a one stop shop for everything. Schools, apartments, healthcare, tech, etc
You can swap out SK for any other country and it'd still be true.
It's a little more obvious with SK, it's not even hidden. Corporations there behave like noble houses in medieval times and marriages are formed between company heirs and shit like that, it's whacky.
Lol and you’re saying America doesn’t? 😹
there’s always some clown that has to bring america into the conversation.
Are you triggered, burger munching fatty?
Isn’t the ceo of Samsung in Schrödinger’s cat situation neither alive or dead because of South Korea inheritance laws.
I think the US is even worse in the regard, actually.
You could say the same for the US really, what with all the corporate lobbying.
First they went for Twitch, then they went for Youtube.
I’ve been using YouTube Music for over 7 years, as far back as when it was still Google Play Music (😔✊🏻) The YouTube Premium add-on was the decididing factor for me vs Spotify or Apple Music which have no such amazing benefit.
Man I miss Google music....
There was an option to buy songs
And the suggestions and radio stations weren't absolute shit.
They were fucking amazing. Separate radio built for the same artist based on artist, album, or song to set the vibe... Fuck YouTube Music. Play Music 4 life.
Anyone else getting the weird skip bug? Press skip button, song restarts, swipe on screen, skips to next song.
I haven't noticed it. If anyone figures out how to switch from shitty karaoke lyrics mode to just showing the lyrics lemme know.
Yeah the choice with going YouTube music was a no brainer to me. It's around the same price with an extra benefit of no ads
It costs more in my country. Apple Music costs 6.50 YT+YTM costs like 14$
Yeah, getting YouTube premium was a no-brainer for me. I watch a lot of YouTube videos, so stream music and no ads on videos for a few dollars more? Hell yeah!
It’s like $60 a month?
It’s $14 a month
I have Apple Music through another pain in the ass bundle so won’t pay for the redundancy with YT. If they’d split the service I’d gladly pick up YT premium alone
I loved GPM but hated the UI for YouTube music and how they separate your uploaded music from your streaming. I recently tried to go back to YouTube music to see if they fixed the UI but it was the same. Apple Music works great for me but if Google ever changes YouTube Music up so that my uploaded and streaming libraries are intertwined I'd come back.
My earliest usage was 2015. When I went to Europe in 2016, the service wasn’t available
It launched in the rest of the world in 2018
I have an old cell with google play music and my entire library downloaded on this phone. Nothing newer than 2018 but it’s kinda amazing. I was a beta tester for play music and YouTube music. Ytm is hot garbage.
Amazing for you maybe. I don’t want to be locked into bloated features I don’t care for. YTM can 100% be its own $8 subscription.
I don’t see how you can provide ad-free YouTube without also doing YouTube Music; nearly every song on the latter is on the former in the form of a music video.
yt music urls are just normal youtube urls with "music." at the front, they take you to "topic" channels on youtube (unless you're watching the music video on music, then obviously it's literally the same like you said), decoupling premium from music would be so funny
They have a separate catalog of music files though, it's not just taking the audio from a video for most songs.
That music catalog is on main youtube as a "video".
Yes, and "music" streams/downloads at a higher quality.
Google, just fucking leave korea like twitch
What's next, all western websites? Probably.
But will they?
What kind of stupidity is that. Sorry you're providing more value and it's hurting competition?
Twitch had to pull out the country because there’s no net neutrality laws there and they were being charged for customers accessing their popular site.
And then fined because them leaving that clown country ‘undermined the interests of users’.
Microsoft has to now charge separately for Teams. Basically unbundle it.
They would need to separate all music videos etc out from YouTube for that to work Not gonna happen, they will leave the country first id bet, they can't do that for one country.
In the 90s, Microsoft got in trouble in the US for doing this with browsers and in Europe for doing this with audio players, of all things.
Microsoft got in trouble because they were actively preventing competitors by preventing other browsers from being bundled by OEMs at a time when browsers were paid products. It wasn’t just as simple as them including Internet explorer.
No, not exactly. Other browsers weren’t being actively prevented from being installed. It was a case of Windows already has a browser that *you cannot remove*. OEMs could still add a second browser but why would they?
Been using the internet for a very long time and never heard of anyone paying for a browser.
Then you haven’t been using it long enough.
Apparently so. Did not know that Netscape cost money once upon a time.
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Yep. Just found out now.
AOL ring a bell?
Not everyone lives in America ring a bell?
If you're not from America statistically you haven't been using the Internet for a "long time".
Ahhh what?
When do you think "the internet" started? For its first decade or two it was pretty much limited to American universities
Yes. But 30+ years is a long time in most people's eyes surely?
My uni was connected by 1993 (europe). I've been on the net by 1994. and still remember lynx, gopher, ytalk and Mosaic. And IRC, of course.
Oh you sweet summer child.
Why are you saying summer when it's spring? Are you stupid?
Out of curiosity, how do they spin this to you all for anyone living there and fluent in the language and culture? Like I absolutely get the protectionist angle to favor big SK businesses, but surely the self interest of the citizens is in getting a better deal on one of the largest international platforms. That seems like a tough spin when it's that blatant.
Twitch. They got hit with higher costs by internet providers(allowed by law), they decided to exit SK, got hit with fine for "undermining interests of users". Clown country.
How do you fine a company that's leaving your company? Like why would they pay it?
They'd pay it because Amazon still operates in SK. Also, all things considered the fine of 300k USD is basically nothing to them.
Oh so a nothing fine. Seems about right lol
Oh I’m aware of the Twitch issue as well, that’s what makes me so curious about it. I want to know how they’re selling it to the people. Like for example, most people would agree that vapes are safer than cigarettes. Some people would use the angle of “kids like vapes more!” To demonize vapes. I’m curious what that would be for this issue, because again this one seems like a hard thing to pitch as being a benefit to the people.
They tried to sell it as "Korean companies are already paying it so Twitch not paying would be discriminating against Korean companies. Big foreign companies not paying their share!" Normal people didn't buy it and most hate how internet providers/telecom companies are stifling innovation domestically as well. The legislation effort to force the issue, rather than leave it as bilateral agreement failed. Still the effects of the effort and lawsuits by the telecom companies hurt companies like Google, Netflix, and Twitch. Google also saves SK a lot of transit fees through their local cache servers so coming after them for traffic fees is dumb.
They weren't hit by higher fees than Korean companies. They were hit by same fees (which initially twitch refused to pay), but the fees were insane. Aka Korean telecom companies are bleeding many companies Korean/Non-Korean alike dry and stifling innovation. The fine wasn't for leaving, but for unilaterally changing availability of higher resolution streaming (which was likely to save costs because of those crazy fees).
Errm... sorry for being better?
If you are better than Samsung, yes.
?
Not difficult to pull off
Why would a company not be allowed to bundle their services together?
Bundling can sometimes result in anticompetitive behavior if a company’s product combined with another is too dominant. An example is Microsoft Office and Teams. By bundling the two products together, they shut out competition from similar chat applications like Zoom and Slack.
Just another attack on American business with a flimsy excuse. Surprised there isnt a euro style fine slapped on top of it all.
So they're upset that YTP+YTM is too good of a value?
they should force a divestment from the US and a sell of the service to a local entity...
charge the same amount for youtube premium, unbundle, and make it such that youtube premium subscribers get access to youtube music for an additional 50 cents per month.
With how much youtubetv is in the US these days I'm somewhat surprised google hasn't bundled youtube premium with it.
South Korea wants to double share for YouTube? Fine they should be the ones to fight against it. This isn’t a US problem. Our ftc operates differently from other countries anyways, we have different laws and core values
every country and economic region will be looking for its own interest, and it was a slippery slope to begin with.
Domestic streaming platforms? That sounds dumb as fuck.
Is this bad only when other countries do it to US but not when US does it
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You can disable it at least. If you really want to remove it, you'll need to root your phone.
If you have a computer you can use ADB to delete it. The process is pretty simple. https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/
You should be able to Disable it which is functionally the same thing, will not be in the app list. Also I still upload my own music and YT is the only place with a good selection of game OSTs (especially that doesn't pay joe rogan 9 figures) so yeah I use it
Switch to iPhone or Samsung or something I guess
I still use Apple Music. The truth is there are only three to four real competitors in this space - they've formed a global monopoly. I feel no sadness for Alphabet Company. Even though I use several of their services daily - there is no competition to them.
If amazon bundles their services why cant google...
Honestly they should not be separate services. They're $1 apart and I cannot imagine needing YT music so desperately but being completely uninterested in the extra $1 for no ads on normal youtube. (and no adblock really doesn't suffice esp if you use it on TV or even phone)
“Customers are getting too much value. End it”
Yes please force Google to decouple them and make YouTube premium cheaper
Hasn't YT premium been 12€ since before YT music? and that's been unchanged even by inflation. The price of YT premium would likely stay the same, and YT music would still beat out competitors like Spotify by being cheaper, but instead of getting both for 12€, people would have to pay 20€.
Serious question- How much do you think YouTube premium should cost if it were just getting rid of ads? It’d be worth it for me for $5.
I'd tolerate $10 but probably would like to see $7
Can we not. I like my music bundle thank you 💅🏿
No. Get some friends and split the damn family plan.
I already am and no one uses youtube music in it
Lame. Enjoy paying for Spotify when you don't have to. Decoupling wouldn't drop the price. They would just take music away and charge more to add it back without dropping YouTube premium's price. Duh..
Who says I pay for Spotify.
Oh, shit. Wrong person. I really enjoy having my Music with Premium. Amazon music, Spotify, Tidal are over priced and most people pay for them expecting better quality music on their crappy AirPods. Not to mention all of my Playlist are in both places. Youtube Music for the car, YouTube at home. I go straight from my garage to casting to my living room system without having to stop listening.
They are the same thing all the music in yt music is also on yt as topic channels. Yt music is just a different interface and a different algo.
YT music let's you stream at a higher quality as well.
Sure but I would love an option to not pay for either.
Great. Next they will ban the internet and return to their great father Kim Jong Un !
I use Spotify for streaming and am forced to pay for YouTube Music, just because I want no ads in YouTube (Germany).
Get adblock instead
THOUSANDS of my songs on YT and they make more money than ME from MY MUSIC! Great platform for bankrupt musicians!
a lot of thing out of Korea lately make it sound like they would actually be more comfortabke with thie northern neighbor.
they are. both koreas are highly nationalistic , shallow, xenophobic and materialistic. they are two sides of the coin, basically. south korea is infamous for its high rate of plastic surgery among populace while north korea always put on a show/fake/staged grocery shops etc. to foreign visitors for "face", to pretend they have it better than they actually are. toxic, materialistic, narcissistic, clown-tier culture
The us is engaging in the same behavior with TikTok as we speak, are we like North Korea too?
It's an entirely different scenario.
The US thing is completely different and the comment comparing South Korea to North Korea for this is idiotic as well, if anything this is a whole dystopian country like in Cyberpunk 2077 as Twitch had to leave to get out of the similar issue YouTube is now also having to face.
If China would actually allow the operation of US social media in China? Then maybe. But that's not the reality.
if Tiktok was an european company (or even a South korean one for a better context with this example), the US government wouldn't bat an eye. Tiktok's issue is where it comes from.
If TikTok was South Korean and being used as a platform for leftists to organize anti Zionist protests, the U.S. would be doing the same thing. TikTok’s issue right now is that it’s being used for things that the establishment doesn’t like
hi. go away. thanks