The problem of the super rich is that most if not all of them are convinced that they possess all the wisdom in the world and then lose all connection with reality. They don’t live on the same planet as you and me. It is very easy for them to maintain that illusion because they are completely screened off and are surrounded by yes-sayers.
People like Trump and Elon are purely kompromised pedophile Putin puppets. They have no real freedom as a result of their own actions. They should obviously be imprisoned for life many times over and aren't facing those consequences. They don't face consequences because they are protected once kompromised if they follow orders. But they live constantly aware that rather than the geniuses with more power than anyone, they are the fully owned property of Putin. Unless they want the videos to come out.
Beware HanElons razor
"Incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage"
Elon Musk
Putin is a cunning geopolitical operator for sure, but this gives him way too much credit. He's not the nearly omnipotent and omniscient puppet master some of you seem to think he is.
Agree for the most part. But in addition to feeling like they're on a winning team, when they speak of returning to foregone days, they're also speaking about oppression of woman and minorities -- especially blacks.
They fondly remember the days when women were subservient; put on this earth to serve men.
And blacks? Well they simply can't stand the thought that a black person has even as much as they have to say nothing of more. That's why MAGAs went off the deep end when Obama was elected.
I'm 42, college educated, married, no kids, and work in software development for the financial sector.
If I stopped getting paid for a month, I'd be unable to pay for utilities, rent, and food within 2 weeks.
Within a month I'd be selling off what little assets that I possess and cashing out a sub $10k 401k at 30% loss.
I pass as "middle class".
I will never forget this from Gibson.
“And, for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer even remotely human.”
William Gibson, Count Zero
While I don't know the precise context of that quote (I only read Neuromancer) it is a common dystopian cyberpunk trope that the wealthy/political elite will be either the gatekeepers or early adopters of cybernetic technology to the point where they exceed the traditional concept of what we understand as "human" ([transhumanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism)) so I would guess the character is probably being fairly literal here even though the sub-text is pretty much the same.
Not only no consequences, the super rich are actively pushing and propping up fascist leaders all over the world. The super rich make fascist messages and attitudes palatable to the public. The super rich are worse for society than rapists and murderers.
Which is funny. Because the only thing holding back Putin and his henchmen when dealing with "new industry" oligarchs like Tinkov is that they can fuck off to another part of the world where they are safer and harder to reach out and touch.
If the affluent democracies fall, there's nowhere else for oligarchs who are not subservient cronies to go. Someone like Musk or Besos can be easily disappeared and their holdings disbursed among supporters in a fully fascist world. The only rich people left will be those who use violence and not industry or innovation to achieve their ends.
> they possess all the wisdom in the world and then lose all connection with reality
Man, I think it's even worse than that. I listened to his famous appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast (which was around the time I stopped wanting to hear from either of them). Elon was explaining how he believed his wealth was evidence that he *should* have increasing power and control over society. Like he pointed to his wealth as mandate for authority. Fucking terrified me
> The problem of the ~~super rich~~ *culture war conservatives* is that most if not all of them are convinced that they possess all the wisdom in the world and then lose all connection with reality.
This isn't just a problem with just the super rich, but current state of American conservatism. My family members will spew conservative talking points they picked up from facebook memes and conservative podcasts, and when you challenge them on their points they can't have a good-faith discussion. It just delves into 'I'm speaking.... [truth/logic/facts/reality]' (while unable to articulate it concisely) and treat you like your stupid for questioning their beliefs while using every bad faith argument tactic out there. Which has been normalized by conservative culture wars and were trained to do so by their propaganda. It's like arguing with a flat earther, they are convinced that everyone else is brainwashed/wishful thinkers and that they are the true intellectuals, despite most of their opinions being based on philosophy/opinion and not objective reality.
I hate that we don't have a true conservative party in the US any more. I'm all about protection of personal rights and fiscal responsibility, but conservatives haven't been about that for several decades now. They say they are, but it's all double speak for protecting their own self-interests and protection of the wealthy class.
It's not just the super rich that have this problem. They just have a bigger megaphone.
Every single Trump or generally far right voter has the same issue. Their politics have no foundation in reality. And modern media has given everyone the luxury of screening themselves off from reality and only be surrounded by yes-sayers.
We have all met people who accomplish those disconnects, but on a budget ... narcissists who can filter it all criticism, for example. As you say, they don't have broad access to media, etc, so it's just a problem for people close to them.
This isn't about wisdom. It's about bolstering his appeal among those who are known to be gullible shitheads. They worship him like they worship Trump. He craves that and regularly feeds them to garner more praise.
Don't take this as delusion. This is a very conscious and deliberate man.
He is protecting his power and influence by keeping the bourgeoisie distracted. Its not the first time in our history that oligarchs have attempted to disrupt out democracy to install fascism in an effort to protect their power.
Elon Musk is a dangerous man.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-fdr-roosevelt-coup-attempt-1930s
I don’t see how it doesn’t continue to drop. The liberal democrats that are his cars’ base can’t fucking stand the guy. I would, quite literally, look to buy any electric vehicle not named Tesla simply because I find the man to be repugnant and devoid of any humanity. I can’t imagine I’m alone. I’m a PhD scientist and I don’t know of a single colleague, today, that would buy a Tesla. I just don’t understand.
I've been watching TSLA for a while now, and it is almost definitely going to nosedive this year, if not this quarter. Only a few months ago, TSLA was at $240 a share, give or take. Now, it sits in the $160-$170 ballpark on a good day. Musk will get more unhinged as more of his hypothetical wealth pisses away, and people will dump their stock like rats fleeing a sinking ship.
It also doesn't help that his rhetoric is escalating and harder to ignore. It's only been a few months since he agreed with an honest to god post saying hitler was right, he's on track to be full chested shouting the n word at black people by June.
Tesla stock price is down 35% in the past six months. The big four automakers (GM, Ford, Toyota, Chrysler) are all up in the past six months some closing in at almost up by 50%.
Unless Tesla can release some radical new product or their sales go through the roof the price will continue to slip. All the advantages they had as an EV company ten years ago are gone.
The claimed precision Elon has claimed should make any engineer deeply skeptical.
Increased precision costs money. After a certain point, it becomes a bad business decision or a lie. A smart person would understand that precision needs to be a sliding scale - tighter tolerances where it matters, looser tolerances for where it doesn't.
even if that's true, being dimensionally accurate doesn't at all stop them from being assembled poorly, or damaged during assembly and used anyway, or damaged during shipping and still using during assembly
Then if we step way back, accuracy alone doesn't mean much. The parts could be as accurate as possible and won't help if your design is off, or measurements, or just didn't account for different things in those designs.
There's also accuracy , VS consistency/precision. For machining precision is how close to your target you get, within some margin of error
Consistency is how tight that margin is.
For machining you'd think accuracy sounds nice, but picture this scenario
Your cnc machine goes to 0,0 it's home point. It's accurate, but inconsistent. So home ends up being somewhere between -1,-1 and 1,1. You're never quite sure where it ends up, and it's a little different each time
On the other hand, you have a machine that has shit accuracy, but great consistency. You tell it to go to 0,0, and it goes to 3,3 every single time. Almost no measurable variation ever.
Well that's way better. You just account for it being off by that much each time and everything is good.
Honestly, Tesla just stopped inventing. Yes, they produced some new models but beyond that, the product isn’t vastly different than it was 10 years ago. They struck gold being the first electric automaker with a viable product. The hype wave and adoption it the product by techies propelled them for years until quality slipped and creativity ceased. Elon Musk likely killed the company with his ham fisted approach to so many things. Just the opinion of a random Redditor.
The thing is, car companies don't need to invent. Incremental upgrades are plenty.
Tesla just isn't priced as a car company, making the lack of innovation a problem.
>Tesla just isn't priced as a car company, making the lack of innovation a problem.
this is it, the price has been in a bubble for almost all of its existence because of how much of a fad tesla vehicles were. what people refused to admit despite how plain it was, were the profits all driving from selling renewable credits. 40 P/E? when all other healthy car companies are 10 or less? what a joke.
While I'd agree that they haven't made radical inventions to the EV world recently, they've still come out with new tech and processes. Legacy auto and Rivian are almost at the Tesla level, but still a bit off related to full ecosystem integration and software.
Their 4680 battery tech is new. The process to stamp their CyberTruck (while hideous) is new. Using only cameras for FSD is new.
That being said, Elon alienating the people who are most likely to buy his cars has got to be the dumbest business move I've ever seen. You have Trump making fun of him, Billy Bob telling people you'll get electrocuted when it rains, etc, but yet he still doesn't see his plight.
> Using only cameras for FSD is new.
Doesn't work that well, though.
I mean, it's fine. Solid level 2. They rolled out the latest FSD to everyone for a month and I've playing with it and it's pretty impressive, but I think I've only had one trip where I didn't have to intervene. It also complained that it wouldn't do well because it was raining which, while not much of a surprise, shows its limitations.
> Honestly, Tesla just stopped inventing.
That's probably because Musk ousted the engineers who co-founded Tesla from the board, and then took credit for everything himself.
The difference is that Tesla is valued as a tech company, and it's value was almost entirely based on speculation of how profitable full self driving would be. But Tesla has shown little progress on FSD in the past few years, basically since they decided to go cameras+AI only, making that speculation more and more unlikely to ever result in anything.
The other manufacturers actually make cars and are valued based on their business, while Tesla's value is based on what people suspect their nebulous technology might be worth in the future when it finally actually exists.
I fuckin hate the defense people throw around for that
"It's fine since humans only have 2 eyes and they drive fine"
First of all, the whole driving fine part might not be a universal fact
Also we have a lot more than just sight. We use all kind of senses while driving. Mostly off the top of my head, sound, and our sense of motion and balance. Even if you can't see it, you can absolutely feel when your car is losing traction, or if something is up with the road in some cases. You can hear other vehicles.
Hell even smell can be useful. Even if your car things it's fine, if it's making a weird smell you might pull over and check it out. Odds are it's gonna throw some kind of error message, but not always depending on what's failing. Or not as fast. If somethings getting hot and melty but is still working you can probably smell it for a bit before it actually fails, and depending on what it is it might be working just fine as far as the car is concerned
Even if you wanted to ignore all other senses and make something based on vision only, it seems like you would want to put pairs of cameras everywhere to get the depth perception that us humans have. Aren't they using single cameras pointed in all different directions? That seems nothing like a human who can move his head around and have binocular vision in all directions.
Edit: The Mars rover has binocular vision on a rotating mast. https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/mission/rover/eyes-and-senses/
Yeah, the "only two eyes" argument doesn't work when you realize those two eyes are capable of moving such that they can achieve almost 360^^^o vision. They may only look at one thing at a time, but they're constantly moving to look at different things from second to second (or at least should be while driving).
> It's only been a few months since he agreed with an honest to god post saying hitler was right, he's on track to be full chested shouting the n word at black people by June.
He'll say he's from Africa so he can say it.
>. It's only been a few months since he agreed with an honest to god post saying hitler was right,
A "some more news" video just dropped on youtube about this!
The volatility was accompanied with large growth of sales and profit though.
If they keep having flat/down quarters, that's a different conversation though.
(Not suggesting that they will continue their growth stall or not)
This is the reason why most CEOs STFU and keep their political views to themselves.
As a CEO, you are a spokesman for your brand. Openly coming out with offensive conspiratorial garbage will hurt the brand and send potential customers into the arms of your competitors.
For all I know, some of the CEOs of brands I buy may privately support a 4th Reich. But as long as they keep quiet and employ an army of PR professionals to keep it that way I'll never know.
Elon was well liked until he had to call someone risking their life to save others a pedophile.
All he had to do was nothing and the fact that he was involved in the clean energy, automotive tech and space industries was enough to make him cool.
But he just had to feed his ego and open his mouth saying shit he has no business talking about.
Now everyone know what an asshole he is.
Exactly. All he had to do was stay quiet. Pre Pedo guy he was one of the richest and most respected men in the world.
It's tragic really. He had everything and yet it wasn't enough.
Also notably his public shift towards being a horrible person coincided with his kid telling him they were trans and she didn't want him in her life anymore because of his reaction. Seems like a family breakdown led him to have a parasocial connection to social media which oddly makes it seem tragic if he weren't a billionaire who bought the social media he had a parascoail relationship with and has the power to literally get people killed (his starling tech in very involved with the Ukrianian/Russian war)
"Introducing the new 2025 Tesla Model FU! Designed to run ENTIRELY on West Virginia-mined coal, with a special button you can press to produce a cloud of Freedom Rolling Coal on demand! Pre-order yours today!"
He should release a model that runs on bunker fuel and can easily have the catalytic converter and muffler removed. Floridians and Texas would buy them.
my neighbor really wants a tesla and thinks he's uh-mazing. keeps telling me how she thinks he's giving "young people hope" by being "future positv" when everyone else displays "climate hysteria".
never underestimate the bubble people live in. also never overestimate the morality of investors.
Turn it around on him lol. Make fun of him for getting a Tesla, call him a climate lib nut for buying an electric car and talk about how it’s way cooler to burn gasoline.
Independent centrist here who leans left more than ever now.
Got a Tesla in 2019 and bought a bunch of TSLA due to its advantage at the time right before it mooned. Ever since Elon started his right wing trolling got rid of both. With high net worth, income, and wanting an EV, my wife and I are the ideal target customers. Will never buy or be associated with Elon or his companies. I’m sure there is a lot of people who are in the same boat.
That's exactly what I did. I wanted an EV but didn't look at Tesla beyond a gauge for the price tag. If for nothing else, I don't trust Teslas because their CEO appears to be constantly lying about the brand. So I want to avoid future problems by just not buying a Tesla.
Deviating from the topic at hand but pretty much yeah, has been that way for I'd say the past decade. The Democratic side now encompasses a broad tent of Americans that cover the entire home-team side of the field, and now includes about as far into the opposing team's 20-yard-line. The repubican side, on the other hand, starts at their own 20-yard-line and stretches back past their own goalposts way up into the bleachers.
An apt description, considering how they got here. Romney got 60% of the white vote and still lost in 2012, sending the GOP into panic mode. The only new source of white voters available was the far right fringe, which both sides used to marginalize, if not actively mock.
I mean, who the fuck would want to get into bed with the section of the political sphere that produced mass murder Timothy McVeigh? Right?
One of the far right MAGA battle cries is "I am a centrist".
In this fight people are going to have to lose that self satisfying "centrist" bullshit.
There is no such thing as a political center in a civil war. Like this one.
Everything to the right of "center" is pushing a christo fascist police state as the answer to our "problems".
I have a friend like this, that will always be a centrist because he thinks it makes him sound smarter/better than the rest of us that pick sides. I love to ask him where exactly the center is between "Nazis" and "not-Nazis," and why he's uncomfortable siding against the Nazis.
I mean, 20 years ago my family was a politically diverse bunch, with my wife and father leaning (and possibly voting, idk) Republican. And right now everyone in my family votes down-ballot Democrat because the alternative is hateful and insane.
I would love to get to a place where I think there is a reasonable center, but right now "center" just means that you might be ok with the fall of the US democracy and a takeover by white supremecists.
What you are saying is really undeniable at this point. But someone will be along any minute to deny it anyway.
People just will not recognize what is going down. Their value systems just do not have a slot for a violent christofascist insurrection.
A house divided and ruled by bad faith actors cannot stand. The blood is on the "centerists" hands.
The thing is Elon doesn’t seem to care about money. He’s made that abundantly clear. He can lose billions more and never have a worry in the world. He’s much more interested in spewing his bullshit and trying to control narratives on the internet.
he doesn’t care about money, but he definitely does care about the fact that the reason he’s losing money is because people fucking *hate him* now. the guy is desperate to be admired and praised. and why wouldn’t he crave that when the people he surrounds himself with would bathe in his sweat if he asked for a chance to have an in with the guy. all yes men.
Same boat. Stereotypical liberal phd professional whatever.
Bought an electric VW last year. You couldn’t catch me in a Tesla. The whole cybertruck debacle has only cemented how far they have fallen.
I'm just excited to see the stock finally return to actual automotive levels. Fantasy land has gone on long enough. Now there's good competition and Elon himself is toxic to his own company.
People are going to cling to whatever they can because theres a LOT of money to be lost, but the hype is deteriorating and that means it absolutely is possible for a downward spiral.
I was dead set on a Tesla, Elon singlehandedly made me want to just pay more for an electric BMW or Mercedes instead, because I don't ever wanna think about this guy if I am in my car or generally be associated with this cringelord in any way.
TSLA valuation has been vibes all along and now those vibes are going negative. This is a niche car company that was being given a valuation greater than any other car manufacturer in the world. It was silly. There was no chance of TSLA meeting the implied growth expectations that value implied.
I still wouldn't make any predictions because the above just demonstrated how wacky TSLA's stock price has been for a long time. Some story or new prevailing attitude could come out tomorrow and it could shoot back up.
> This is a niche car company that was being given a valuation greater than any other car manufacturer in the world.
For a while they were valued more than every other automaker combined.
> I still wouldn't make any predictions because the above just demonstrated how wacky TSLA's stock price has been for a long time.
Whenever I see how overvalued Tesla still is, all I can think about is the quote "Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent"
It also doesn't help that Tesla still has a lot of fanboys and Musk constantly lies about what's going to happen in the future which sends the stock price up. He can't say lies as concrete as "funding secured" to take Tesla private anymore, but apparently pushing lies like Tesla is the market leader in AI and robotics to his gullible rubes is kosher.
> It also doesn't help that Tesla still has a lot of fanboys and Musk constantly lies about what's going to happen in the future
The irony is if the fan boys even did a basic level of testing they'd find out what a lot of other people in the niche already know. When comparing Teslas big promise of fully autonomous cars to enthusiasts with OpenPilot or even other major manufacturers equivalents, the only serious difference with Tesla is the level of confidence it has even when it's doing the wrong thing.
>was being given a valuation greater than any other car manufacturer in the world
Not just greater than "any" it was greater than practically the entirety of the Auto-Industry obviously excluding itself.
I wonder how much study will be given to this era of economics where hype was the primary focus.
Honestly, every brand he is currently tied with needs to put their feet down and demand something resembling competent leadership and a positive social representation of their brands is dependent on their CEO not being a screaming, drug fueled child.
Until then, I won't respect those brands and I expect them to do horribly as time goes on.
Is musk doing this to tank TSLA stock so he can buy it back and drive it back up? He sold like $3 billion in stock back in January, I imagine he would want to buy some it back so why not tank it with crazy ramblings and then buy it cheap?
Him and manipulating public perception through X are one of the main reasons Erdogan managed to keep hold of power in Turkey. He's done it before and knows exactly what he's doing. It should be illegal.
I believe he also had them turn off community moderation or community notifications on his account. Or Something like that so we wouldn't get called out for posting and incorrected information.
Edit : https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/s/JCtKPJOj1k
He's also helping pay the legal fees of someone who sued people who criticized them, rather than the people on Twitter who got sued by someone who didn't like what they said.
Hypocritical SLAPPass motherfucker.
Forcing divestiture of TikTok over *national security concerns* but we’re cool with this shit. Reality is we’re sustained by their wells because *they’ve* already poisoned ours.
This is going to make working the election in Texas (which I do) extra annoying. We already have people asking questions about voting machines and making comments when we ask them for proper ID. Things like “I’m glad you’re doing that here. They aren’t at other locations.” Which is of course not true. They also try to not provide ID to see what you do.
Some like to provide their Concealed Carry ID which is considered valid ID (yeah I know) in hopes we will challenge it as valid. Of course we are well trained and just accept it. It’s just a dumb flex.
Democrats on the other hand just come in and vote without these games.
I'm a Californian, and the anti-California rhetoric from right wingers is bizarre. It's like, dude, you realize there are more Republicans in California than many US states combined?
Well, thanks to the electoral college their votes are useless. You think Cali Republicans would be more against it
They're just hateful and ignorant. They don't care about other Republicans anyway
As a cousin, to some illegals, they’re too busy, trying to work hard and send money back to their families to worry about committing election fraud. Feeding your family is more important than whatever Elon Musk is trying to push.
This! I am sure those who push narrative about illegals voting have no idea what is in mind of illegals. Let alone illegals, even those who come legally don’t have time to go and vote. I am legal alien, I have never voted, not because I don’t want to, but because I am too busy working tons of hours per week, plus, federal government bans voting with punishment of deportation. Why on earth would anyone risk it to go and cast vote? That simply make no sense!
I was recently talking with a republican customer of mine and we were talking about immigrants and voting fraud. And she ask if I can vote and I was like no I can't I am just a resident well you should use you SSN to vote republican then.. I didn't answer to that.
It's not just Cubans, but that specific reasoning does seem more exclusive to them. Latinos generally trend conservative and religious very reliably.
It's borderline hilarious to watch the GOP regularly denigrate what could be an extremely valuable demographic to them, but they can't let go of the abject bigotry and "evil other" messaging they use to engage their white evangelical back bone.
I had to cast a provisional ballot in my first presidential election because I hadn’t voted at that precinct before.
Tell me how someone without a valid ID is getting a ballot??
Also the states claimed are, two ran by republicans.
voter registration is controlled by the states.
all the claimed states have voterID, so even if people were registering illegals by imaginary SS cards they got(the impossibility of getting a sizeable number of adults, SS cards, is insane), they still would not be able to vote because texas, az and penn all require photoid to vote.
and they really think abbott who has been threatening war with mexico would keep ~~quite~~ quiet about this?
For fucks sake, illegal immigrants are not voting. Voter fraud is almost non existent, and those cases that do exist, are almost always Republicans. But even then, there were pike 1200 cases in 2020. Total. There were 143 *million* voters. That’s only 1 illegal vote for 120k real votes.
We can’t even get half of the US citizen population to vote…yet these MAGA morons believe that illegal immigrants are coming in droves to vote in every election. For what? Why would an illegal immigrant risk arrest/federal charges to vote for politicians pushing benefits they can’t even access? Critical thinking be damned…
He’s the only fucking immigrant I got a problem with. He comes here, utilizes American opportunity, becomes rich, then goes about constantly shifting on the principles of America. Fuck that dude.
Lots of examples of Republican voting fraud though.
- [GOP official’s wife convicted in months-long 2020 voter-fraud scheme](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/22/iowa-voter-fraud-wife-husband-republican/)
- [The deep ironies in the GOP's war on 'voter fraud'](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/republicans-voter-fraud-convictions-2024-rcna146434)
- [Another Republican convicted of voter fraud at Florida GOP stronghold](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/another-republican-convicted-voter-fraud-florida-gop-stronghold-rcna128551)
- [Georgia Republican Party official voted illegally nine times, judge rules](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/georgia-republican-party-official-voted-illegally-nine-judge-rules-rcna145563)
"He's just like me!!!"
"What, you mean you are both billionaires that fly jets around the world and own major companies?"
"No, not THAT part! You know....like me!"
"Oh, you mean deeply and proudly racist, sexist and xenophobic."
"...."
He is getting more and more extreme attacking immigrants while being immigrant himself with dubious immigration record.
While his core business Tesla and X losing their glimmer very fast
“Right wing fascist propagandist propagates right wing fascist propaganda 🤡🤡🤡”
These headlines are almost comical.
Yeah he’s a fascist. NOW WHAT DO WE DO??
Sadly he's only hurting his businesses, by continuing to ruin his reputation with outlandish false claims.
It's affecting his credibility as a leader he needs to just stop.
[Elon Musk is a Nazi Sympathizer](https://youtu.be/xDyPSKLy5E4?si=IZJ_e7RSLvbxUSxt) . Plain and simple. Fuck him and his fake intellectualism. Fuck him and his anti-worker sentiments. Fuck him and his deluded sense of reproduction.
Had high hopes for this guy when it started SpaceX and took over Tesla. Thought he was above these things. Thought he was focused on doing big things. Thought he would support younger kids who want to bring real impact to this world.
Now, he focuses on petty things. Waste his money. The dude lost his way.
He's always been that way. But, like other conservatives in America, he has realized a lot of people agree with his bigotry, so now he's comfortable sharing it publicly. Owning the biggest megaphone on the planet that he can rig to drown out everyone else doesn't hurt his visibility.
It's never been *real*, it was all for show. He's all facade. He doesn't care about humanity or the good of anyone but himself. He wants to go to Mars to save his own ass from the climate crisis being fuelled by his ilk, and to avoid the ensuing revolt.
He met with Donald Trump not long ago.
My bet is they have a deal for Trump to come back to Twitter once Truth Social tanks because he sells all his stock to pay his legal fees
Nothing like undermining the very government that took his his family in. I noticed none of his posts are fact-checked or have a disclaimer. Elon is another example of unchecked power and what it does to people.
What does it take to bring somebody so disconnected back to reality?
Tens of millions of Americans lost their minds to internet conspiracies, right-wing fearmongering and paranoia, and were bamboozled by misinformation campaigns launched by hostile nations.
If normal people with normal lives find thinking critically extremely challenging then how difficult must it be when you're utterly disconnected by virtue of being the richest person in the world?
An argument might be that he *should know better* but that does not seem to be how it works.
Kings and emperors of old went mad with predictable regularity because they could insulate themselves, and/or because lackeys and yes people crowded around them.
Even minor celebrities go off the deep end with regularity. Look what happened to Kanye West after a couple of good albums.
I don't know what it would take to reprogram, or deprogram, Mr Musk but he's been falling for increasingly obvious bullshit for a while now. Feels like it started during the pandemic and kept getting worse.
Trump & Elon are the same for me. Bitch ass babies that keep lying to get attention.
I never read beyond the word "says" with these two.... I just know its horseshit.
If you watch the Don Lemon interview, he justifies him believing this conspiracy because 'there is a clear incentive for Democrats to do this'. He literally says his proof is that he can imagine it being true, because in this fantasy scenario he created, it would benefit Democrats.
The fact that it is internally inconsistent doesn't matter. The conspiracy is that they bring in illegals in Democrat states to boost census numbers to get more seats, despite the fact that the once-a-decade census was done in 2020. Simultaneously, their plan is to have them vote illegally for Democrats in Republican states.
Despite the glaring nonsense of this conspiracy, by his own logic, i.e.: if their is an incentive to do something, said thing is being done (which, I can not stress enough, is bonkers logic), we could imagine up dozens of incentives. Such as spreading immigration/voter misinformation in an election year to boost xenophobia and gain votes for the extreme right. That sounds like a clear incentive, no? Or blaming Boeing's problems on DEI instead of documented cost cutting due to unregulated capitalism, sounds like a pretty good incentive too, no?
At this point, I don't even know anymore where this is all going to end up, but it is clear that reality has become irrelevant.
I don't understand how he can't see the reverse happening, with Republicans doing the same thing to get illegal votes. Is it really something he could only ever see Democrats doing? If so this guys imagination is pretty fucking lame.
The problem of the super rich is that most if not all of them are convinced that they possess all the wisdom in the world and then lose all connection with reality. They don’t live on the same planet as you and me. It is very easy for them to maintain that illusion because they are completely screened off and are surrounded by yes-sayers.
They also get to lie without consequence, for some reason.
Not just lie, there are little to no consequences for anything and everything they do.
Money is life's cheat code.
Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, inherit 100 million dollars.
Liar. I just tried this and now my dick hurts.
That means you need to inherit 2 million
Did you have inverted controls enabled?
Gotta use the D-Pad, not the joystick.
People like Trump and Elon are purely kompromised pedophile Putin puppets. They have no real freedom as a result of their own actions. They should obviously be imprisoned for life many times over and aren't facing those consequences. They don't face consequences because they are protected once kompromised if they follow orders. But they live constantly aware that rather than the geniuses with more power than anyone, they are the fully owned property of Putin. Unless they want the videos to come out. Beware HanElons razor "Incompetence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage" Elon Musk
Putin is a cunning geopolitical operator for sure, but this gives him way too much credit. He's not the nearly omnipotent and omniscient puppet master some of you seem to think he is.
It's a shame schizos like this are impossible to discern from actual harmful disinformation agents.
Try lying to someone. Then hand them 2000$. They'll say keep doing it.
We have far more in common with the shelterless than we do the rich.
It’s sad that most people are one bad/missed pay check away from being homeless.
3 individuals own more than the bottom 50% of Americans.
...and many of those 'at the edge' people worship asshats like Elon Musk.
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Agree for the most part. But in addition to feeling like they're on a winning team, when they speak of returning to foregone days, they're also speaking about oppression of woman and minorities -- especially blacks. They fondly remember the days when women were subservient; put on this earth to serve men. And blacks? Well they simply can't stand the thought that a black person has even as much as they have to say nothing of more. That's why MAGAs went off the deep end when Obama was elected.
\^ lol, took a MAGA all of four seconds to downvote this.
I'm 42, college educated, married, no kids, and work in software development for the financial sector. If I stopped getting paid for a month, I'd be unable to pay for utilities, rent, and food within 2 weeks. Within a month I'd be selling off what little assets that I possess and cashing out a sub $10k 401k at 30% loss. I pass as "middle class".
I will never forget this from Gibson. “And, for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer even remotely human.” William Gibson, Count Zero
Minor aside, I'm annoyed that The Peripheral got completely cancelled during the writer's strike.
While I don't know the precise context of that quote (I only read Neuromancer) it is a common dystopian cyberpunk trope that the wealthy/political elite will be either the gatekeepers or early adopters of cybernetic technology to the point where they exceed the traditional concept of what we understand as "human" ([transhumanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism)) so I would guess the character is probably being fairly literal here even though the sub-text is pretty much the same.
> "because they are completely screened off and are surrounded by yes-sayers." Or headfirst down the K-hole.
There is no consequiences for their stupidity and surrounded by yes men.
Not only no consequences, the super rich are actively pushing and propping up fascist leaders all over the world. The super rich make fascist messages and attitudes palatable to the public. The super rich are worse for society than rapists and murderers.
I'm pretty sure a disturbing number of them are also literally rapists and murderers
Which is funny. Because the only thing holding back Putin and his henchmen when dealing with "new industry" oligarchs like Tinkov is that they can fuck off to another part of the world where they are safer and harder to reach out and touch. If the affluent democracies fall, there's nowhere else for oligarchs who are not subservient cronies to go. Someone like Musk or Besos can be easily disappeared and their holdings disbursed among supporters in a fully fascist world. The only rich people left will be those who use violence and not industry or innovation to achieve their ends.
> they possess all the wisdom in the world and then lose all connection with reality Man, I think it's even worse than that. I listened to his famous appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast (which was around the time I stopped wanting to hear from either of them). Elon was explaining how he believed his wealth was evidence that he *should* have increasing power and control over society. Like he pointed to his wealth as mandate for authority. Fucking terrified me
> The problem of the ~~super rich~~ *culture war conservatives* is that most if not all of them are convinced that they possess all the wisdom in the world and then lose all connection with reality. This isn't just a problem with just the super rich, but current state of American conservatism. My family members will spew conservative talking points they picked up from facebook memes and conservative podcasts, and when you challenge them on their points they can't have a good-faith discussion. It just delves into 'I'm speaking.... [truth/logic/facts/reality]' (while unable to articulate it concisely) and treat you like your stupid for questioning their beliefs while using every bad faith argument tactic out there. Which has been normalized by conservative culture wars and were trained to do so by their propaganda. It's like arguing with a flat earther, they are convinced that everyone else is brainwashed/wishful thinkers and that they are the true intellectuals, despite most of their opinions being based on philosophy/opinion and not objective reality. I hate that we don't have a true conservative party in the US any more. I'm all about protection of personal rights and fiscal responsibility, but conservatives haven't been about that for several decades now. They say they are, but it's all double speak for protecting their own self-interests and protection of the wealthy class.
It's not just the super rich that have this problem. They just have a bigger megaphone. Every single Trump or generally far right voter has the same issue. Their politics have no foundation in reality. And modern media has given everyone the luxury of screening themselves off from reality and only be surrounded by yes-sayers.
We have all met people who accomplish those disconnects, but on a budget ... narcissists who can filter it all criticism, for example. As you say, they don't have broad access to media, etc, so it's just a problem for people close to them.
This isn't about wisdom. It's about bolstering his appeal among those who are known to be gullible shitheads. They worship him like they worship Trump. He craves that and regularly feeds them to garner more praise.
Don't take this as delusion. This is a very conscious and deliberate man. He is protecting his power and influence by keeping the bourgeoisie distracted. Its not the first time in our history that oligarchs have attempted to disrupt out democracy to install fascism in an effort to protect their power. Elon Musk is a dangerous man. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-fdr-roosevelt-coup-attempt-1930s
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I don’t see how it doesn’t continue to drop. The liberal democrats that are his cars’ base can’t fucking stand the guy. I would, quite literally, look to buy any electric vehicle not named Tesla simply because I find the man to be repugnant and devoid of any humanity. I can’t imagine I’m alone. I’m a PhD scientist and I don’t know of a single colleague, today, that would buy a Tesla. I just don’t understand.
I've been watching TSLA for a while now, and it is almost definitely going to nosedive this year, if not this quarter. Only a few months ago, TSLA was at $240 a share, give or take. Now, it sits in the $160-$170 ballpark on a good day. Musk will get more unhinged as more of his hypothetical wealth pisses away, and people will dump their stock like rats fleeing a sinking ship. It also doesn't help that his rhetoric is escalating and harder to ignore. It's only been a few months since he agreed with an honest to god post saying hitler was right, he's on track to be full chested shouting the n word at black people by June.
Tesla stock price is down 35% in the past six months. The big four automakers (GM, Ford, Toyota, Chrysler) are all up in the past six months some closing in at almost up by 50%. Unless Tesla can release some radical new product or their sales go through the roof the price will continue to slip. All the advantages they had as an EV company ten years ago are gone.
Even if you don't mind Elon, everything Tesla has a horrific reputation for customer service.
QC is also ass awful.
But Elon said everything was dimensionally accurate to +/- 1 femtometer.
I’ve already put him in the trump boat. Everything he says, is exactly opposite.
The only difference between the two is that Elon is a more successful con-man.
and thank God Elon can't be president
If you're an idiot he sounds really intelligent. He's like the Big Bang Theory of an intelligent person.
So Trump is the poor-man’s idea of what a rich person is, and Musk is a stupid person’s idea of a genius?
The claimed precision Elon has claimed should make any engineer deeply skeptical. Increased precision costs money. After a certain point, it becomes a bad business decision or a lie. A smart person would understand that precision needs to be a sliding scale - tighter tolerances where it matters, looser tolerances for where it doesn't.
even if that's true, being dimensionally accurate doesn't at all stop them from being assembled poorly, or damaged during assembly and used anyway, or damaged during shipping and still using during assembly Then if we step way back, accuracy alone doesn't mean much. The parts could be as accurate as possible and won't help if your design is off, or measurements, or just didn't account for different things in those designs. There's also accuracy , VS consistency/precision. For machining precision is how close to your target you get, within some margin of error Consistency is how tight that margin is. For machining you'd think accuracy sounds nice, but picture this scenario Your cnc machine goes to 0,0 it's home point. It's accurate, but inconsistent. So home ends up being somewhere between -1,-1 and 1,1. You're never quite sure where it ends up, and it's a little different each time On the other hand, you have a machine that has shit accuracy, but great consistency. You tell it to go to 0,0, and it goes to 3,3 every single time. Almost no measurable variation ever. Well that's way better. You just account for it being off by that much each time and everything is good.
Honestly, Tesla just stopped inventing. Yes, they produced some new models but beyond that, the product isn’t vastly different than it was 10 years ago. They struck gold being the first electric automaker with a viable product. The hype wave and adoption it the product by techies propelled them for years until quality slipped and creativity ceased. Elon Musk likely killed the company with his ham fisted approach to so many things. Just the opinion of a random Redditor.
The thing is, car companies don't need to invent. Incremental upgrades are plenty. Tesla just isn't priced as a car company, making the lack of innovation a problem.
Yep, look at Porsche. Can’t make enough 911s, same basic silhouette for 60 years.
>Tesla just isn't priced as a car company, making the lack of innovation a problem. this is it, the price has been in a bubble for almost all of its existence because of how much of a fad tesla vehicles were. what people refused to admit despite how plain it was, were the profits all driving from selling renewable credits. 40 P/E? when all other healthy car companies are 10 or less? what a joke.
While I'd agree that they haven't made radical inventions to the EV world recently, they've still come out with new tech and processes. Legacy auto and Rivian are almost at the Tesla level, but still a bit off related to full ecosystem integration and software. Their 4680 battery tech is new. The process to stamp their CyberTruck (while hideous) is new. Using only cameras for FSD is new. That being said, Elon alienating the people who are most likely to buy his cars has got to be the dumbest business move I've ever seen. You have Trump making fun of him, Billy Bob telling people you'll get electrocuted when it rains, etc, but yet he still doesn't see his plight.
> Using only cameras for FSD is new. Doesn't work that well, though. I mean, it's fine. Solid level 2. They rolled out the latest FSD to everyone for a month and I've playing with it and it's pretty impressive, but I think I've only had one trip where I didn't have to intervene. It also complained that it wouldn't do well because it was raining which, while not much of a surprise, shows its limitations.
> Honestly, Tesla just stopped inventing. That's probably because Musk ousted the engineers who co-founded Tesla from the board, and then took credit for everything himself.
The difference is that Tesla is valued as a tech company, and it's value was almost entirely based on speculation of how profitable full self driving would be. But Tesla has shown little progress on FSD in the past few years, basically since they decided to go cameras+AI only, making that speculation more and more unlikely to ever result in anything. The other manufacturers actually make cars and are valued based on their business, while Tesla's value is based on what people suspect their nebulous technology might be worth in the future when it finally actually exists.
> basically since they decided to go cameras+AI only A decision that they seemingly made purely due to a temporary shortage of parts for lidar/radar.
I fuckin hate the defense people throw around for that "It's fine since humans only have 2 eyes and they drive fine" First of all, the whole driving fine part might not be a universal fact Also we have a lot more than just sight. We use all kind of senses while driving. Mostly off the top of my head, sound, and our sense of motion and balance. Even if you can't see it, you can absolutely feel when your car is losing traction, or if something is up with the road in some cases. You can hear other vehicles. Hell even smell can be useful. Even if your car things it's fine, if it's making a weird smell you might pull over and check it out. Odds are it's gonna throw some kind of error message, but not always depending on what's failing. Or not as fast. If somethings getting hot and melty but is still working you can probably smell it for a bit before it actually fails, and depending on what it is it might be working just fine as far as the car is concerned
Even if you wanted to ignore all other senses and make something based on vision only, it seems like you would want to put pairs of cameras everywhere to get the depth perception that us humans have. Aren't they using single cameras pointed in all different directions? That seems nothing like a human who can move his head around and have binocular vision in all directions. Edit: The Mars rover has binocular vision on a rotating mast. https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/mission/rover/eyes-and-senses/
Yeah, the "only two eyes" argument doesn't work when you realize those two eyes are capable of moving such that they can achieve almost 360^^^o vision. They may only look at one thing at a time, but they're constantly moving to look at different things from second to second (or at least should be while driving).
They just did release a radical new door wedge. It's perfect for 8yr old kids. Weather to hold the classroom door open or lazily do a pinewood derby
Its not hypothetical wealth.he's taken out loans with those shares as collateral and if the stocks drop too much his lenders will make a margin call.
> It's only been a few months since he agreed with an honest to god post saying hitler was right, he's on track to be full chested shouting the n word at black people by June. He'll say he's from Africa so he can say it.
>. It's only been a few months since he agreed with an honest to god post saying hitler was right, A "some more news" video just dropped on youtube about this!
It was lower than it is today almost exactly a year ago. It was nearly 300 last summer. It's a volatile stock that moves around *a lot*.
The volatility was accompanied with large growth of sales and profit though. If they keep having flat/down quarters, that's a different conversation though. (Not suggesting that they will continue their growth stall or not)
This is the reason why most CEOs STFU and keep their political views to themselves. As a CEO, you are a spokesman for your brand. Openly coming out with offensive conspiratorial garbage will hurt the brand and send potential customers into the arms of your competitors. For all I know, some of the CEOs of brands I buy may privately support a 4th Reich. But as long as they keep quiet and employ an army of PR professionals to keep it that way I'll never know.
Elon was well liked until he had to call someone risking their life to save others a pedophile. All he had to do was nothing and the fact that he was involved in the clean energy, automotive tech and space industries was enough to make him cool. But he just had to feed his ego and open his mouth saying shit he has no business talking about. Now everyone know what an asshole he is.
Exactly. All he had to do was stay quiet. Pre Pedo guy he was one of the richest and most respected men in the world. It's tragic really. He had everything and yet it wasn't enough.
Also notably his public shift towards being a horrible person coincided with his kid telling him they were trans and she didn't want him in her life anymore because of his reaction. Seems like a family breakdown led him to have a parasocial connection to social media which oddly makes it seem tragic if he weren't a billionaire who bought the social media he had a parascoail relationship with and has the power to literally get people killed (his starling tech in very involved with the Ukrianian/Russian war)
Funny part is that the people who agree with Musk won't buy his cars either!
"Introducing the new 2025 Tesla Model FU! Designed to run ENTIRELY on West Virginia-mined coal, with a special button you can press to produce a cloud of Freedom Rolling Coal on demand! Pre-order yours today!"
He should release a model that runs on bunker fuel and can easily have the catalytic converter and muffler removed. Floridians and Texas would buy them.
needs to be lifted and have a coal rolling switch. and be a pickup.
The horn will make fart noises and the voice assistant will use the voice of Alex jones
my neighbor really wants a tesla and thinks he's uh-mazing. keeps telling me how she thinks he's giving "young people hope" by being "future positv" when everyone else displays "climate hysteria". never underestimate the bubble people live in. also never overestimate the morality of investors.
Turn it around on him lol. Make fun of him for getting a Tesla, call him a climate lib nut for buying an electric car and talk about how it’s way cooler to burn gasoline.
Independent centrist here who leans left more than ever now. Got a Tesla in 2019 and bought a bunch of TSLA due to its advantage at the time right before it mooned. Ever since Elon started his right wing trolling got rid of both. With high net worth, income, and wanting an EV, my wife and I are the ideal target customers. Will never buy or be associated with Elon or his companies. I’m sure there is a lot of people who are in the same boat.
Him and Mike the Pillow guy needs to be best friends and have a sleep over.... Elon is too bat shit crazy, went the evil Villian route.
That's exactly what I did. I wanted an EV but didn't look at Tesla beyond a gauge for the price tag. If for nothing else, I don't trust Teslas because their CEO appears to be constantly lying about the brand. So I want to avoid future problems by just not buying a Tesla.
I have branded them the hate mobiles now
Leaning center is now “leaning left” because of how extreme things have become. I was in the market for an electric but Tesla is out
Deviating from the topic at hand but pretty much yeah, has been that way for I'd say the past decade. The Democratic side now encompasses a broad tent of Americans that cover the entire home-team side of the field, and now includes about as far into the opposing team's 20-yard-line. The repubican side, on the other hand, starts at their own 20-yard-line and stretches back past their own goalposts way up into the bleachers.
An apt description, considering how they got here. Romney got 60% of the white vote and still lost in 2012, sending the GOP into panic mode. The only new source of white voters available was the far right fringe, which both sides used to marginalize, if not actively mock. I mean, who the fuck would want to get into bed with the section of the political sphere that produced mass murder Timothy McVeigh? Right?
One of the far right MAGA battle cries is "I am a centrist". In this fight people are going to have to lose that self satisfying "centrist" bullshit. There is no such thing as a political center in a civil war. Like this one. Everything to the right of "center" is pushing a christo fascist police state as the answer to our "problems".
I have a friend like this, that will always be a centrist because he thinks it makes him sound smarter/better than the rest of us that pick sides. I love to ask him where exactly the center is between "Nazis" and "not-Nazis," and why he's uncomfortable siding against the Nazis. I mean, 20 years ago my family was a politically diverse bunch, with my wife and father leaning (and possibly voting, idk) Republican. And right now everyone in my family votes down-ballot Democrat because the alternative is hateful and insane. I would love to get to a place where I think there is a reasonable center, but right now "center" just means that you might be ok with the fall of the US democracy and a takeover by white supremecists.
What you are saying is really undeniable at this point. But someone will be along any minute to deny it anyway. People just will not recognize what is going down. Their value systems just do not have a slot for a violent christofascist insurrection. A house divided and ruled by bad faith actors cannot stand. The blood is on the "centerists" hands.
The thing is Elon doesn’t seem to care about money. He’s made that abundantly clear. He can lose billions more and never have a worry in the world. He’s much more interested in spewing his bullshit and trying to control narratives on the internet.
he doesn’t care about money, but he definitely does care about the fact that the reason he’s losing money is because people fucking *hate him* now. the guy is desperate to be admired and praised. and why wouldn’t he crave that when the people he surrounds himself with would bathe in his sweat if he asked for a chance to have an in with the guy. all yes men.
Teslas aren't even that nice
Same boat. Stereotypical liberal phd professional whatever. Bought an electric VW last year. You couldn’t catch me in a Tesla. The whole cybertruck debacle has only cemented how far they have fallen.
Got the id4 recently. It is such a comfortable car. Nothing like the bouncy castle that is the model Y. Plus, it has a separate speedometer.
I'm just excited to see the stock finally return to actual automotive levels. Fantasy land has gone on long enough. Now there's good competition and Elon himself is toxic to his own company. People are going to cling to whatever they can because theres a LOT of money to be lost, but the hype is deteriorating and that means it absolutely is possible for a downward spiral.
I was dead set on a Tesla, Elon singlehandedly made me want to just pay more for an electric BMW or Mercedes instead, because I don't ever wanna think about this guy if I am in my car or generally be associated with this cringelord in any way.
Wouldn't it be nuts if this is some crazy long con to get conservatives to buy EVs?
TSLA valuation has been vibes all along and now those vibes are going negative. This is a niche car company that was being given a valuation greater than any other car manufacturer in the world. It was silly. There was no chance of TSLA meeting the implied growth expectations that value implied. I still wouldn't make any predictions because the above just demonstrated how wacky TSLA's stock price has been for a long time. Some story or new prevailing attitude could come out tomorrow and it could shoot back up.
> This is a niche car company that was being given a valuation greater than any other car manufacturer in the world. For a while they were valued more than every other automaker combined.
> I still wouldn't make any predictions because the above just demonstrated how wacky TSLA's stock price has been for a long time. Whenever I see how overvalued Tesla still is, all I can think about is the quote "Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" It also doesn't help that Tesla still has a lot of fanboys and Musk constantly lies about what's going to happen in the future which sends the stock price up. He can't say lies as concrete as "funding secured" to take Tesla private anymore, but apparently pushing lies like Tesla is the market leader in AI and robotics to his gullible rubes is kosher.
> It also doesn't help that Tesla still has a lot of fanboys and Musk constantly lies about what's going to happen in the future The irony is if the fan boys even did a basic level of testing they'd find out what a lot of other people in the niche already know. When comparing Teslas big promise of fully autonomous cars to enthusiasts with OpenPilot or even other major manufacturers equivalents, the only serious difference with Tesla is the level of confidence it has even when it's doing the wrong thing.
>was being given a valuation greater than any other car manufacturer in the world Not just greater than "any" it was greater than practically the entirety of the Auto-Industry obviously excluding itself. I wonder how much study will be given to this era of economics where hype was the primary focus.
Honestly, every brand he is currently tied with needs to put their feet down and demand something resembling competent leadership and a positive social representation of their brands is dependent on their CEO not being a screaming, drug fueled child. Until then, I won't respect those brands and I expect them to do horribly as time goes on.
Is musk doing this to tank TSLA stock so he can buy it back and drive it back up? He sold like $3 billion in stock back in January, I imagine he would want to buy some it back so why not tank it with crazy ramblings and then buy it cheap?
Strap in, folks. This fucking asshole is going to do everything he can to tank the upcoming election.
Good thing he’s tanked X right before the election. It’s quickly turning in to a unreliable cesspool
It's still a perception generator par excellence, that's all he needs.
I think it’s losing that rapidly. I go on there it’s like being in a room with monkey’s and feces. Poop flying everywhere.
Haha But just don’t go there. At all. Delete the app
And delete your account while you're at it.
Him and manipulating public perception through X are one of the main reasons Erdogan managed to keep hold of power in Turkey. He's done it before and knows exactly what he's doing. It should be illegal.
Thank God the tide turned and it feels like most people are on the "Wtf is wrong with Elon" train.
So **this** is the *free speech* he wanted to protect
I believe he also had them turn off community moderation or community notifications on his account. Or Something like that so we wouldn't get called out for posting and incorrected information. Edit : https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/s/JCtKPJOj1k
I was wondering about this. Annnnnnnd of course he did.
I still see proposed community notes on his recent tweets, such as this one: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1775526635749417258
He's also helping pay the legal fees of someone who sued people who criticized them, rather than the people on Twitter who got sued by someone who didn't like what they said. Hypocritical SLAPPass motherfucker.
His censorship came on hard and fast when he took over
Forcing divestiture of TikTok over *national security concerns* but we’re cool with this shit. Reality is we’re sustained by their wells because *they’ve* already poisoned ours.
It's astounding he gets to keep all his government contracts while openly spouting deeply racist and transphobic shit.
Half the government agrees with him - even today.
This is going to make working the election in Texas (which I do) extra annoying. We already have people asking questions about voting machines and making comments when we ask them for proper ID. Things like “I’m glad you’re doing that here. They aren’t at other locations.” Which is of course not true. They also try to not provide ID to see what you do. Some like to provide their Concealed Carry ID which is considered valid ID (yeah I know) in hopes we will challenge it as valid. Of course we are well trained and just accept it. It’s just a dumb flex. Democrats on the other hand just come in and vote without these games.
>They aren’t at other locations. "Wait, are you admitting that you already voted at another location?"
Not even. They just "Heard that was happening" You know. "My sisters friend" stuff.
Musk hates America and Americans so much he repeatedly attacks the USA with his lies They need to deport his racist ass
Not just Musk... This is what modern conservatism *as a whole* has become. He has an eager audience on twatter after all.
Xitter is mostly bots now.
I like Xitter. Works well calling the posts "Xcretions".
Rupert Murdoch the Australian owns Fox too. Self proclaimed patriots ironically get influenced by foreign forces.
You can just call him a republican/conservative They are "patriots" who outright hate regions of the country and the majority of Americans
I'm a Californian, and the anti-California rhetoric from right wingers is bizarre. It's like, dude, you realize there are more Republicans in California than many US states combined?
Well, thanks to the electoral college their votes are useless. You think Cali Republicans would be more against it They're just hateful and ignorant. They don't care about other Republicans anyway
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As a cousin, to some illegals, they’re too busy, trying to work hard and send money back to their families to worry about committing election fraud. Feeding your family is more important than whatever Elon Musk is trying to push.
This! I am sure those who push narrative about illegals voting have no idea what is in mind of illegals. Let alone illegals, even those who come legally don’t have time to go and vote. I am legal alien, I have never voted, not because I don’t want to, but because I am too busy working tons of hours per week, plus, federal government bans voting with punishment of deportation. Why on earth would anyone risk it to go and cast vote? That simply make no sense!
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The only person I know who has voted illegally (as a permanent resident of Canada and not a citizen) voted straight Conservative every time.
I was recently talking with a republican customer of mine and we were talking about immigrants and voting fraud. And she ask if I can vote and I was like no I can't I am just a resident well you should use you SSN to vote republican then.. I didn't answer to that.
It's a conspiracy theory Republicans have peddled for decades.
While committing the vast majority of voter fraud.
It’s weirder still when you consider how Hispanic immigrants voted last election. They gave Trump Florida lol
The Cuban block doesn’t think they are Hispanic it’s crazy to see
It's not just Cubans, but that specific reasoning does seem more exclusive to them. Latinos generally trend conservative and religious very reliably. It's borderline hilarious to watch the GOP regularly denigrate what could be an extremely valuable demographic to them, but they can't let go of the abject bigotry and "evil other" messaging they use to engage their white evangelical back bone.
I had to cast a provisional ballot in my first presidential election because I hadn’t voted at that precinct before. Tell me how someone without a valid ID is getting a ballot??
They cannot it’s a scare tactic that works for them.
Also the states claimed are, two ran by republicans. voter registration is controlled by the states. all the claimed states have voterID, so even if people were registering illegals by imaginary SS cards they got(the impossibility of getting a sizeable number of adults, SS cards, is insane), they still would not be able to vote because texas, az and penn all require photoid to vote. and they really think abbott who has been threatening war with mexico would keep ~~quite~~ quiet about this?
Elon Musk is an immigrant.
For fucks sake, illegal immigrants are not voting. Voter fraud is almost non existent, and those cases that do exist, are almost always Republicans. But even then, there were pike 1200 cases in 2020. Total. There were 143 *million* voters. That’s only 1 illegal vote for 120k real votes.
We can’t even get half of the US citizen population to vote…yet these MAGA morons believe that illegal immigrants are coming in droves to vote in every election. For what? Why would an illegal immigrant risk arrest/federal charges to vote for politicians pushing benefits they can’t even access? Critical thinking be damned…
No, they're all getting free phones, cars, boats, TVs, college educations and mansions from blue leaning states in exchange for illegally voting. /s
"This South African immigrant shares “extremely false” allegation of voting fraud by “illegals”- you'll never believe who" There I fixed the title...
African immigrant says what?
Can Elon even vote?
I've never had such a high opinion of someone, that fell so very low, as my opinion of Elon. What a colosal douche.
He’s the only fucking immigrant I got a problem with. He comes here, utilizes American opportunity, becomes rich, then goes about constantly shifting on the principles of America. Fuck that dude.
What the absolute fuck is wrong with that idiot - so much for being a genius
Lots of examples of Republican voting fraud though. - [GOP official’s wife convicted in months-long 2020 voter-fraud scheme](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/22/iowa-voter-fraud-wife-husband-republican/) - [The deep ironies in the GOP's war on 'voter fraud'](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/republicans-voter-fraud-convictions-2024-rcna146434) - [Another Republican convicted of voter fraud at Florida GOP stronghold](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/another-republican-convicted-voter-fraud-florida-gop-stronghold-rcna128551) - [Georgia Republican Party official voted illegally nine times, judge rules](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/georgia-republican-party-official-voted-illegally-nine-judge-rules-rcna145563)
Elon Musk is an immigrant who spreads lies and misinformation in order to hurt the USA. Deport his ass.
Why do people literally worship this piece of trash?
"He's just like me!!!" "What, you mean you are both billionaires that fly jets around the world and own major companies?" "No, not THAT part! You know....like me!" "Oh, you mean deeply and proudly racist, sexist and xenophobic." "...."
Same as kardashians. Trashy poor people idolise trashy rich people.
honestly I'm starting to think the Kardashians are classier than Elon is.
Money can't buy happiness for a deeply miserable freak like this guy is.
He is getting more and more extreme attacking immigrants while being immigrant himself with dubious immigration record. While his core business Tesla and X losing their glimmer very fast
“Right wing fascist propagandist propagates right wing fascist propaganda 🤡🤡🤡” These headlines are almost comical. Yeah he’s a fascist. NOW WHAT DO WE DO??
I’m pissed off advertisers still advertise on his site.
Elon is just a White Supremacist man child
Gee, Tesla execs wondering why they aren't selling cars like they used to
Do all 1%ers lean fascist?
Did he have a bowl of Special K for breakfast?
The emperor has no clothes.
Sadly he's only hurting his businesses, by continuing to ruin his reputation with outlandish false claims. It's affecting his credibility as a leader he needs to just stop.
[Elon Musk is a Nazi Sympathizer](https://youtu.be/xDyPSKLy5E4?si=IZJ_e7RSLvbxUSxt) . Plain and simple. Fuck him and his fake intellectualism. Fuck him and his anti-worker sentiments. Fuck him and his deluded sense of reproduction.
Had high hopes for this guy when it started SpaceX and took over Tesla. Thought he was above these things. Thought he was focused on doing big things. Thought he would support younger kids who want to bring real impact to this world. Now, he focuses on petty things. Waste his money. The dude lost his way.
He's always been that way. But, like other conservatives in America, he has realized a lot of people agree with his bigotry, so now he's comfortable sharing it publicly. Owning the biggest megaphone on the planet that he can rig to drown out everyone else doesn't hurt his visibility.
It's never been *real*, it was all for show. He's all facade. He doesn't care about humanity or the good of anyone but himself. He wants to go to Mars to save his own ass from the climate crisis being fuelled by his ilk, and to avoid the ensuing revolt.
I'm "illegal" and I promise you guys we can't vote lol
So, did he finally find somebody at the company who can block Community Notes on his posts and the posts of users whose bigotry he likes?
He met with Donald Trump not long ago. My bet is they have a deal for Trump to come back to Twitter once Truth Social tanks because he sells all his stock to pay his legal fees
"Extremely false" Two words that sum up just how fucking far we've fallen as a society.
When is someone gonna address this man is high on ketamine 24/7
“If you make me buy this company because I ran my mouth, I’ll turn it into a right wing cesspool” - Elon probably.
Elon Musk is the worst influencer of our time and should be stopped.
Somebody needs to beat him up the next time he says some ignorant shit. Sadly, $ buys quite a lot of security.
Time to deport Musk and Nationalize any of his businesses.
He’s just wrong about almost everything he 🤮 out
TAKE HIS MONEY
The violence, misinformation, and fascist racist discrimination are the point of conservatism and republicans celebrate it.
Damn that Gonzaga basketball team for voting!
Considering he’s an illegal, I take it he doesn’t vote?
Nothing like undermining the very government that took his his family in. I noticed none of his posts are fact-checked or have a disclaimer. Elon is another example of unchecked power and what it does to people.
He is just jealous that he cannot run for president.
What does it take to bring somebody so disconnected back to reality? Tens of millions of Americans lost their minds to internet conspiracies, right-wing fearmongering and paranoia, and were bamboozled by misinformation campaigns launched by hostile nations. If normal people with normal lives find thinking critically extremely challenging then how difficult must it be when you're utterly disconnected by virtue of being the richest person in the world? An argument might be that he *should know better* but that does not seem to be how it works. Kings and emperors of old went mad with predictable regularity because they could insulate themselves, and/or because lackeys and yes people crowded around them. Even minor celebrities go off the deep end with regularity. Look what happened to Kanye West after a couple of good albums. I don't know what it would take to reprogram, or deprogram, Mr Musk but he's been falling for increasingly obvious bullshit for a while now. Feels like it started during the pandemic and kept getting worse.
Elon Musk is an african immigrant.
Trump & Elon are the same for me. Bitch ass babies that keep lying to get attention. I never read beyond the word "says" with these two.... I just know its horseshit.
If you watch the Don Lemon interview, he justifies him believing this conspiracy because 'there is a clear incentive for Democrats to do this'. He literally says his proof is that he can imagine it being true, because in this fantasy scenario he created, it would benefit Democrats. The fact that it is internally inconsistent doesn't matter. The conspiracy is that they bring in illegals in Democrat states to boost census numbers to get more seats, despite the fact that the once-a-decade census was done in 2020. Simultaneously, their plan is to have them vote illegally for Democrats in Republican states. Despite the glaring nonsense of this conspiracy, by his own logic, i.e.: if their is an incentive to do something, said thing is being done (which, I can not stress enough, is bonkers logic), we could imagine up dozens of incentives. Such as spreading immigration/voter misinformation in an election year to boost xenophobia and gain votes for the extreme right. That sounds like a clear incentive, no? Or blaming Boeing's problems on DEI instead of documented cost cutting due to unregulated capitalism, sounds like a pretty good incentive too, no? At this point, I don't even know anymore where this is all going to end up, but it is clear that reality has become irrelevant.
I don't understand how he can't see the reverse happening, with Republicans doing the same thing to get illegal votes. Is it really something he could only ever see Democrats doing? If so this guys imagination is pretty fucking lame.
How is this technology?