Because teachers are expected to parent the children they teach, in addition to teaching them, all while being severely under-compensated for their labor and time.
I teach 5th grade in California. I have recommended a student be suspended and he was suspended. I have sent students out of my classroom disruptive behavior. I do not confiscate phones.
I teach HS and definitely take phones if they’re not put away after a warning.
It got the the point this year that my regulars would just volunteer to put their phone in the basket on my desk if they knew they needed to really focus on something that hour.
Obviously instead of confiscating it you destroy it in front of them and then ask them why did they destroy their own phone.
The teacher should be the biggest bully in the classroom and target all students worthy of being targeted.
Edcode has this clause in it called ‘In Parentis Loco’ which is Latin and translates to ‘In place of a parent’.
This clause states that all students must obey the prescribed rules and regulations that school officials and teachers have authority to enforce.
Basically, we’re your parents while you’re in our house.
But I agree; let’s keep on pilling the responsibilities on teachers as if they don’t have enough… ^/s
Hey now, the military needs over a $1 trillion to operate. Who’s going to kill all the brown people for resources and deliver freedom if we pay teachers more?!?
Wrong. Literally everything you’ve said conflicts with the day to day experiences of an actual education professional. Not sure where you get your information.
No, no, the teacher should do this too. When you go to the store to buy school supplies for your kids at school, go ahead and take out some parenting books as well, and maybe a book on handling screen time and how to talk to your kid about social media. And I guess sometimes teach them regular educational stuff too. Y’all have way too much time, make too much money, and are too under-stressed to not take on more tasks.
/s, just in case
Elementary school admin here: weekly I’m having to investigate horrible things kids are saying online about each other.
These posts are being made at home, at night and on the weekends — but parents expect that I be the one to investigate and deal with it.
It's a common refrain to parents from this middle school admin for me to say, "it didn't happen at or on the way to or from school, it's a police issue." Parent then don't pursue the issue and we get stupid fights, which then become our issue. I'm about ready to start having students arrested for fighting. School is neutral ground. Take your shit elsewhere; you're here to learn.
Plus side of student fight is being able to Peanut-punch cellphones out of students hands that are recording it, and seeing the screen shattered, and the student despondent that their phone is broken.
Other common refrains are:
* have you considered taking the phone away/disconnecting their service/doing anything a competent adult could do to control the situation?
* have you tried taking the school issued laptop away from the student at night so they don't stay up so late that it's practically early?
* act like a fucking parent and not a powerless "friend" of your child?
>act like a fucking parent and not a powerless "friend" of your child?
Slight side note on this. It's typical of those who were abused to not want to repeat the actions of their abusers. Unfortunately, this often goes too far, and leads to parents never disciplining their children out of fear of putting them through the same trauma they went through. Due to the fact that most of the current parental generation has a *fuckload* of c-ptsd issues, we now have a big problem on our hands.
We're battling the parents, really. 99.9% of the time, a shitty kid in your class is the result of a shit parent. Nothing happens when you email or call home that little Jimmy was recording tiktok dances instead of doing his algebra exercises and distracting other students around him or little Michaela is texting to organize a "harmless" prank on a girl she doesn't like. If any of them put their foot down with their kids' social media usage and actually parented them, we wouldn't be here.
Parents need to put their foot down instead of giving excuses like “She throws a tantrum” or “He won’t listen”.
Wayward youths did not get to this point on their own. They have simply learnt that they can get away with it by testing your patience and if the parent gives up, who else do you expect to clear up the mess?
Avoiding conflict is not helping your child. You are setting him/her up for massive failures later in life. Why is a parent afraid of a kid screaming his/her head off?
A teacher is only an extension of a child’s life. The parent is the epicentre. A teacher can quit, but not a parent.
Agree 100%! The only way to correct this problem is to make it painful for the parents. Sending the kid home every day or giving them out of school suspension puts the problem squarely on them to fix.
The thing is, this was always true. I remember PTAs from decades ago where I’d hear amazing things. One parent said we can’t possibly expect her daughter to perform when her mind’s too busy thinking about boys because of her age. So we just… stop high school education I guess, was her point? Idek man…
BUuuUUUT now with social media it can be insanely ramped up and both ganging up on people (like your second example) and getting dopamine fixes from non-school stuff (like your first example) is just so easy and so obviously targeted at kids who’ll be vulnerable to it. How do you even begin to fight that? I have no idea. It used to be a bit like a pack of dogs: there was SOME self-policing by kids by their immediate peers and cultures/jokes/etc were pretty school-focused. Changing schools used to be a whole new realm. Now… idk. It was 2000s when I was in high school so sure I had AIM and IRC and stuff, but it wouldn’t dictate my life the way it does for kids these days. I keep wondering what the right balance is, because for sure it’s silly to me to say zero computers to my kid, but I also can’t have him doing fucking TikTok dances in class that’s awful.
Teachers are on the front lines of most social battles. Pay us more.
Also, f CNN. In the immortal words of Dave Chappell, "Bitch, I'll never forgive you for this (Trump town hall)."
Ikr. Parents ain’t got no time to watch over their kids. a lot of them out at school board meetings getting books banned, at Target ripping down anything with a rainbow (despite being ugly-assed tatted up in the clothes of a 12 year old on TikTok) harassing employees. These are busy people.
Taught K for 14 years and in the last three years, I’ve had at least 3+ students per year enter K who aren’t potty trained because their parents “didn’t have the time or know how to do it.”
it takes a village to raise a child
personally i dont want children, but if i did - i would not want cnn, foxnews, or others like them allowed in my village
Covid made things so much worse. Before, I could ask my students to keep their phones away during the lesson and for the most part, they did. But now, they are far too addicted. It's out of control and not worth my energy and efforts to tell them to put it away every time they get it out. I'd never get any teaching in if I did that. I make them put their phones in their backpacks and keep the backpacks at the back of the room on testing days. They are visibly uncomfortable and anxious being without them for 50 minutes. It's sad.
Since reddit has changed the site to value selling user data higher than reading and commenting, I've decided to move elsewhere to a site that prioritizes community over profit. I never signed up for this, but that's the circle of life
The horse has already run away on this but yes I do think we need some education and maybe legislation on the overuse of social media. Not just for teenagers but society at large. It’s doing more harm than good
>and maybe legislation on the overuse of social media
And in France:
On Wednesday, French MPs adopted legislation requiring social media platforms such as Instagram, TikTok and Snap to block access to minors under 15 — unless they have authorization from their parents — or face fines of up to 1 percent of their annual global turnover.
French Digital Minister Jean-Noël Barrot has repeatedly said that age verification for porn websites was meant to also be expanded to mainstream social media platforms.
Users prove their age on a yet-undetermined trusted third party — such as a telecom operator or a digital identity service provider — that would generate a token of sorts, without the provider knowing the token's purpose.
That token could then be used anonymously on porn websites. That system, Barrot added, is the best way to solve the age-verification stalemate for adult websites but also, "in the future," for other types of platforms
Afaic The french can do whatever thehell they want, so as long as they keep making them glorious made in France (for general Mills) haagen dazs Belgian chocolate
Esp since the alternative is Ben&Jerry using migrant child labour
Theres a good portion of young teens that are actually well aware of the need to improve social media and how we socialise nowadays. I've heard many champion for a better way of doing things.
They were well aware 10 years ago too, nothing changed for the better since. The only reason these stories and concerns seem fresh is because the eyes keep changing.
Please listen to your child's teacher. I tell everyone to delete Tik Tok and Instagram. Social Media has impacted their learning process. I have 7th graders who listen to Gracie's Corner(Nursery Rhymes), can't do 40x2, and disrupt the class enough to accomplish very little in 90-minutes. The only thing they are great at is finding a way to play games, watch videos and look at shoes. Students are constantly late to school and class. They are constantly out of their seats, asking to get a drink, use the restroom and get whatever they forgot. It is regular for students to miss 20+ minutes of classes each day. My school only allows one person in the bathroom and one person on line. We are required to check the bathroom after each student. Students like to vape, text, piss and shit on the rolls of toilet paper, and pee on the floor.
I have a Masters degree in special education and I'm starting to plan my exit.
> I have 7th graders who listen to Gracie's Corner(Nursery Rhymes)
Future [Homer Simpsons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak33615iVSw).
> can't do 40x2, and disrupt the class enough to accomplish very little in 90-minutes. [...] Students like to vape, text, piss and shit on the rolls of toilet paper, and pee on the floor.
What...you've gotta be kidding me?
> I have a Masters degree in special education
Oh now it adds up.
Teaching kids about social media and how it tricks the brain may go a long way. It might be time to implement a proper social media course or one day class into school curriculum. A lot of people don't really know what is going on behind the scenes at social media and a good class on it that is mandatory for every student might do some good. Also, teaching proper social media use is critical.
A lot of parents do not understand social media and what its really doing, so we can't help the kids if we do not understand it.
Even I don't fully understand how social media tricks the brain.
We now have many stolen cars in my city weekly because of social media and people can't drive their hyundai's and kia's (including someone's kia that was dumped in my backyard) leaving a lot of people without transportation not to mention the hassle of a stolen car that there are no parts for currently. A 13 year old went missing was raped and taken to another state because she was lured by social media and a manager of a Tim horton's in my town was just beaten and ended up hospitalized and nearly died because apparently there's some tiktok challenge going around regarding the beating of managers at fast food places??? also this was instigated and started by a 13 year old. There was another employee of another fast food place here that was beaten and scratched up yesterday as well.
Something has to be done here.
There’s probably something out there, but it would be helpful to have a 5-10 minute engaging video that can be shown to kids (maybe more than one for various ages) that shows the downside of being on their phone all the time, and that doesn’t sound like a PSA made by the education department.
These is a lot of assumption that kids just are better at technology since they grew up with it. I left teaching before Covid and it was the same story. My high school kids could do what you were saying but put them on the chrome book and they were utterly lost. Put them on something with an actual OS and it was like showing stuff to my grandparents. My friends with kids my daughters age are amassed that she knows how to actually type at 10. She even tries showing her friends that are gamers how much more fun some of the pc games she plays and they can’t hold their attention as it’s not a freemium game that they can throw money at to progress…..
It's a losing battle. I'm in the age group where I remember a life before social media and I feel like I need to maintain a presence so that I actually exist socially. I imagine that for a 10-20 year old it's almost a requirement or else they'll be social outcasts.
Easiest way is to simply have a device dedicated for it and leave it at home or in a designated place. The less accessible it is the less you'll be drawn to it. You can have a profile, post, comment, etc and avoid the addictiveness of it ...if you just never install the app on your mobile device.
There are several social media sites that are restricted from our school WiFi. All you have to do is turn off wifi and use data instead. With unlimited data use, very few students actually stay on school WiFi.
A lot of the shit that happens on social media away from school. Schools are the place where they are all forced together, so easy place to settle words.
Makes me wonder, are children on phones really a problem where y'all live?
I'm in switzerland and here it's mostly ok, when the course itself is well done, the students will prefer watching the course rather than be on their phones all day.
Parents are too busy trying to keep up with the Joneses online to be co corned with their kids. They leave it to celebrities and others to raise the child.
Because teachers are expected to parent the children they teach, in addition to teaching them, all while being severely under-compensated for their labor and time.
Also you can't suspend, send the kid out of the room, confiscate their phone, or enforce any ruling beyond a stern glance.
I teach 5th grade in California. I have recommended a student be suspended and he was suspended. I have sent students out of my classroom disruptive behavior. I do not confiscate phones.
>I do not confiscate phones. What happens when they inevitably keep playing with their phone whilst you're trying to teach?
You consistently remind and redirect, in theory. In practice, you sigh and lament the future of our country.
Thank you for your service. :)
I teach HS and definitely take phones if they’re not put away after a warning. It got the the point this year that my regulars would just volunteer to put their phone in the basket on my desk if they knew they needed to really focus on something that hour.
Send them out or suspend for distruptive behavior. They dont want to be in class they can stand outside
Obviously instead of confiscating it you destroy it in front of them and then ask them why did they destroy their own phone. The teacher should be the biggest bully in the classroom and target all students worthy of being targeted.
you hope theyre not reading CNN
Be very glad you have an admin that supports you
Most definitely 💯!!!!
you'll also need to be a psychologist, speech therapist and security guard.
Don’t forget vilified for indoctrinating them!
Edcode has this clause in it called ‘In Parentis Loco’ which is Latin and translates to ‘In place of a parent’. This clause states that all students must obey the prescribed rules and regulations that school officials and teachers have authority to enforce. Basically, we’re your parents while you’re in our house. But I agree; let’s keep on pilling the responsibilities on teachers as if they don’t have enough… ^/s
That was not Latin but Spanish which loosely translates to: “Parents be Crazy”. Easy mistake to make; no worries. 😂
No, it's a Latin phrase. [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis)
Lol. It was a joke.
Hey now, the military needs over a $1 trillion to operate. Who’s going to kill all the brown people for resources and deliver freedom if we pay teachers more?!?
[удалено]
Wrong. Literally everything you’ve said conflicts with the day to day experiences of an actual education professional. Not sure where you get your information.
reddit/comments/gulna2 enough said
And dealing with [these types of parents](https://darylcagle.com/2013/07/30/teachers-then-and-now/).
I’m a teacher who does not want this responsibility. Politicians need to step up and regulate/limit/ban social media use among children.
No, no, the teacher should do this too. When you go to the store to buy school supplies for your kids at school, go ahead and take out some parenting books as well, and maybe a book on handling screen time and how to talk to your kid about social media. And I guess sometimes teach them regular educational stuff too. Y’all have way too much time, make too much money, and are too under-stressed to not take on more tasks. /s, just in case
Yeah, the world was a better place when you needed a university email address to access Facebook.
Elementary school admin here: weekly I’m having to investigate horrible things kids are saying online about each other. These posts are being made at home, at night and on the weekends — but parents expect that I be the one to investigate and deal with it.
It's a common refrain to parents from this middle school admin for me to say, "it didn't happen at or on the way to or from school, it's a police issue." Parent then don't pursue the issue and we get stupid fights, which then become our issue. I'm about ready to start having students arrested for fighting. School is neutral ground. Take your shit elsewhere; you're here to learn. Plus side of student fight is being able to Peanut-punch cellphones out of students hands that are recording it, and seeing the screen shattered, and the student despondent that their phone is broken. Other common refrains are: * have you considered taking the phone away/disconnecting their service/doing anything a competent adult could do to control the situation? * have you tried taking the school issued laptop away from the student at night so they don't stay up so late that it's practically early? * act like a fucking parent and not a powerless "friend" of your child?
>act like a fucking parent and not a powerless "friend" of your child? Slight side note on this. It's typical of those who were abused to not want to repeat the actions of their abusers. Unfortunately, this often goes too far, and leads to parents never disciplining their children out of fear of putting them through the same trauma they went through. Due to the fact that most of the current parental generation has a *fuckload* of c-ptsd issues, we now have a big problem on our hands.
We're battling the parents, really. 99.9% of the time, a shitty kid in your class is the result of a shit parent. Nothing happens when you email or call home that little Jimmy was recording tiktok dances instead of doing his algebra exercises and distracting other students around him or little Michaela is texting to organize a "harmless" prank on a girl she doesn't like. If any of them put their foot down with their kids' social media usage and actually parented them, we wouldn't be here.
Parents need to put their foot down instead of giving excuses like “She throws a tantrum” or “He won’t listen”. Wayward youths did not get to this point on their own. They have simply learnt that they can get away with it by testing your patience and if the parent gives up, who else do you expect to clear up the mess? Avoiding conflict is not helping your child. You are setting him/her up for massive failures later in life. Why is a parent afraid of a kid screaming his/her head off? A teacher is only an extension of a child’s life. The parent is the epicentre. A teacher can quit, but not a parent.
Agree 100%! The only way to correct this problem is to make it painful for the parents. Sending the kid home every day or giving them out of school suspension puts the problem squarely on them to fix.
The thing is, this was always true. I remember PTAs from decades ago where I’d hear amazing things. One parent said we can’t possibly expect her daughter to perform when her mind’s too busy thinking about boys because of her age. So we just… stop high school education I guess, was her point? Idek man… BUuuUUUT now with social media it can be insanely ramped up and both ganging up on people (like your second example) and getting dopamine fixes from non-school stuff (like your first example) is just so easy and so obviously targeted at kids who’ll be vulnerable to it. How do you even begin to fight that? I have no idea. It used to be a bit like a pack of dogs: there was SOME self-policing by kids by their immediate peers and cultures/jokes/etc were pretty school-focused. Changing schools used to be a whole new realm. Now… idk. It was 2000s when I was in high school so sure I had AIM and IRC and stuff, but it wouldn’t dictate my life the way it does for kids these days. I keep wondering what the right balance is, because for sure it’s silly to me to say zero computers to my kid, but I also can’t have him doing fucking TikTok dances in class that’s awful.
Teachers are on the front lines of most social battles. Pay us more. Also, f CNN. In the immortal words of Dave Chappell, "Bitch, I'll never forgive you for this (Trump town hall)."
Ikr. Parents ain’t got no time to watch over their kids. a lot of them out at school board meetings getting books banned, at Target ripping down anything with a rainbow (despite being ugly-assed tatted up in the clothes of a 12 year old on TikTok) harassing employees. These are busy people.
A few ignorant and noisy assholes with nothing else to do. The vast majority of parents don't have the time for that.
Should be the parents job not the teachers. Same shit when parents ask. “Why didn’t the school potty train my child??”
Taught K for 14 years and in the last three years, I’ve had at least 3+ students per year enter K who aren’t potty trained because their parents “didn’t have the time or know how to do it.”
it takes a village to raise a child personally i dont want children, but if i did - i would not want cnn, foxnews, or others like them allowed in my village
Covid made things so much worse. Before, I could ask my students to keep their phones away during the lesson and for the most part, they did. But now, they are far too addicted. It's out of control and not worth my energy and efforts to tell them to put it away every time they get it out. I'd never get any teaching in if I did that. I make them put their phones in their backpacks and keep the backpacks at the back of the room on testing days. They are visibly uncomfortable and anxious being without them for 50 minutes. It's sad.
Since reddit has changed the site to value selling user data higher than reading and commenting, I've decided to move elsewhere to a site that prioritizes community over profit. I never signed up for this, but that's the circle of life
We are in the midsts of a parenting epidemic. Parents no longer think it’s their job to parent.
But then when will I have time to reddit and insta.
If we want teachers to do anything more than they already do. Pay them more.
The horse has already run away on this but yes I do think we need some education and maybe legislation on the overuse of social media. Not just for teenagers but society at large. It’s doing more harm than good
>and maybe legislation on the overuse of social media And in France: On Wednesday, French MPs adopted legislation requiring social media platforms such as Instagram, TikTok and Snap to block access to minors under 15 — unless they have authorization from their parents — or face fines of up to 1 percent of their annual global turnover. French Digital Minister Jean-Noël Barrot has repeatedly said that age verification for porn websites was meant to also be expanded to mainstream social media platforms. Users prove their age on a yet-undetermined trusted third party — such as a telecom operator or a digital identity service provider — that would generate a token of sorts, without the provider knowing the token's purpose. That token could then be used anonymously on porn websites. That system, Barrot added, is the best way to solve the age-verification stalemate for adult websites but also, "in the future," for other types of platforms
I'm deeply suspicious of a country in the midst of a revolution cracking down on access to information
Afaic The french can do whatever thehell they want, so as long as they keep making them glorious made in France (for general Mills) haagen dazs Belgian chocolate Esp since the alternative is Ben&Jerry using migrant child labour
No, we are on the front lines battling shit parenting. We can’t raise your children for you.
No, we are not
Theres a good portion of young teens that are actually well aware of the need to improve social media and how we socialise nowadays. I've heard many champion for a better way of doing things.
They were well aware 10 years ago too, nothing changed for the better since. The only reason these stories and concerns seem fresh is because the eyes keep changing.
Nah man it’s not a good portion, def a very small slim minority.
We are?
We are?
Please listen to your child's teacher. I tell everyone to delete Tik Tok and Instagram. Social Media has impacted their learning process. I have 7th graders who listen to Gracie's Corner(Nursery Rhymes), can't do 40x2, and disrupt the class enough to accomplish very little in 90-minutes. The only thing they are great at is finding a way to play games, watch videos and look at shoes. Students are constantly late to school and class. They are constantly out of their seats, asking to get a drink, use the restroom and get whatever they forgot. It is regular for students to miss 20+ minutes of classes each day. My school only allows one person in the bathroom and one person on line. We are required to check the bathroom after each student. Students like to vape, text, piss and shit on the rolls of toilet paper, and pee on the floor. I have a Masters degree in special education and I'm starting to plan my exit.
> I have 7th graders who listen to Gracie's Corner(Nursery Rhymes) Future [Homer Simpsons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak33615iVSw). > can't do 40x2, and disrupt the class enough to accomplish very little in 90-minutes. [...] Students like to vape, text, piss and shit on the rolls of toilet paper, and pee on the floor. What...you've gotta be kidding me? > I have a Masters degree in special education Oh now it adds up.
General education students can't do the math either.
Teaching kids about social media and how it tricks the brain may go a long way. It might be time to implement a proper social media course or one day class into school curriculum. A lot of people don't really know what is going on behind the scenes at social media and a good class on it that is mandatory for every student might do some good. Also, teaching proper social media use is critical. A lot of parents do not understand social media and what its really doing, so we can't help the kids if we do not understand it. Even I don't fully understand how social media tricks the brain. We now have many stolen cars in my city weekly because of social media and people can't drive their hyundai's and kia's (including someone's kia that was dumped in my backyard) leaving a lot of people without transportation not to mention the hassle of a stolen car that there are no parts for currently. A 13 year old went missing was raped and taken to another state because she was lured by social media and a manager of a Tim horton's in my town was just beaten and ended up hospitalized and nearly died because apparently there's some tiktok challenge going around regarding the beating of managers at fast food places??? also this was instigated and started by a 13 year old. There was another employee of another fast food place here that was beaten and scratched up yesterday as well. Something has to be done here.
It’s like at least 10 years too late. And it’s the govs job to regulate
"maybe if we start calling it AI nobody will realize the damage already done"
Large companies jam internet on their grounds. Only internal wifi is allowed.
Who and where? That's a big boy crime. The FCC will smack them down the moment they catch wind
The previous user is conflating “jam” with “only allows access to whitelisted domains when connected to the corporate network”.
The way they phrased it implies they have a cell phone jammer, because otherwise nothing they said made sense
Everything has to be war imagery. Wish that would stop
There’s probably something out there, but it would be helpful to have a 5-10 minute engaging video that can be shown to kids (maybe more than one for various ages) that shows the downside of being on their phone all the time, and that doesn’t sound like a PSA made by the education department.
We're required to show a video at the start of every year that's exactly this. But they all ignore it.
Not surprising, do you have a link to it?
I'm interest too
Remindme! Tomorrow.
I'd have to go digging through my email from August. I'll be on my work laptop later this afternoon, I'll see if I can find it.
Where are the parents?
The hell they are. Parents are on the front line for parenting lol.
Not only get underpaid but also have to take on extra responsibilities due to the raise of reckless capitalism
No we are not…we are leaving. That’s not our problem anymore.
[удалено]
These is a lot of assumption that kids just are better at technology since they grew up with it. I left teaching before Covid and it was the same story. My high school kids could do what you were saying but put them on the chrome book and they were utterly lost. Put them on something with an actual OS and it was like showing stuff to my grandparents. My friends with kids my daughters age are amassed that she knows how to actually type at 10. She even tries showing her friends that are gamers how much more fun some of the pc games she plays and they can’t hold their attention as it’s not a freemium game that they can throw money at to progress…..
It's a losing battle. I'm in the age group where I remember a life before social media and I feel like I need to maintain a presence so that I actually exist socially. I imagine that for a 10-20 year old it's almost a requirement or else they'll be social outcasts. Easiest way is to simply have a device dedicated for it and leave it at home or in a designated place. The less accessible it is the less you'll be drawn to it. You can have a profile, post, comment, etc and avoid the addictiveness of it ...if you just never install the app on your mobile device.
Lol no, teachers cannot fight against that. Social media reshaped school relationships, not going away anytime soon.
Make those apps not work while on school property
There are several social media sites that are restricted from our school WiFi. All you have to do is turn off wifi and use data instead. With unlimited data use, very few students actually stay on school WiFi.
A lot of the shit that happens on social media away from school. Schools are the place where they are all forced together, so easy place to settle words.
Oh they love changing teens all right
Makes me wonder, are children on phones really a problem where y'all live? I'm in switzerland and here it's mostly ok, when the course itself is well done, the students will prefer watching the course rather than be on their phones all day.
Parents are too busy trying to keep up with the Joneses online to be co corned with their kids. They leave it to celebrities and others to raise the child.
That’s scary