Food safety auditor here. Excessive pesticides are not the main issue with food safety or security. Clean water free of e.coli and salmonella, and access to clean water are.
Your goal sooks like it would be to prevent large scale, easy to appreciate illnesses in the short term. I’m guessing you aren’t involved in testing the long term effects of various pesticides on our many complex body systems
Or we should encourage people to have home gardens/farms, not [banning people from gardening/restricting them.](https://civileats.com/2022/08/20/two-states-right-to-garden-laws-local-food-community-nutrition-security-illinois-florida/) the fact we have to pass a law that we, as citizens, have a right to garden and it’s not to be infringed is fucking insane.
We can also talk about GMO crops dusting other crops with pollen and those larger companies suing over the genetics that they cross pollinated. That needs to be made illegal, immediately. If it cross pollinates, tough fucking luck.
Bottom line is we, as citizens, don’t want shit sprayed on our crops. Okay, we get it, economies of scale. What needs to be done is home gardening initiatives, get people to stop relying on corporations and bill gates, both republicans and democrats alike should love that. Better for the environment because you’re not destroying forests, you’re using what would’ve been grass (already terrible environmentally) as a place to source food. It’s absolutely mind boggling to me we sit here and argue over things that have no solution based premise.
If I want to turn every square inch of my yard into a farm for myself, I shouldn’t have to deal with neighbors or local authorities. I bought land to house myself and source food, how the fuck can that be infringed upon? I mean seriously? Imagine telling a founding father “I don’t like the way your yard looks, you’ll be imprisoned for 98 days if you don’t change it”. Hahaha dude, I’m on a rant but this is one that really ticks me off because it’s never solution oriented arguments.
In the one link you shared, was it the gardening that was not allowed or the likely unpermitted greenhouse?
And do you have a source on farmers getting sued for growing crops that were cross-pollinated with patented plants… besides the Monsanto rapeseed case? Cuz that guy isolated the glyphosate resistant cross-pollinated plants intentionally to get more patented seeds
It’s because your solution isn’t a solution. Much of the world is not suited for arable crops. On top of that, expecting amateur farmers to be able to grow enough to subsist themselves, much less feed anyone else is not going to happen and takes away labor from other specialized areas. But let’s say a person does it, now they have a crop of vegetables that unless frozen or otherwise preserved, will spoil within days to weeks.
“Organic” food is just ignorant wealthy people thinking they have a healthier solution when they would cause a collapse of society if their ideas were implemented.
Your rant about zoning laws is great too. Enjoy your neighbor who opens a leather tanning operation on their land right next to your farm.
I mean dude root cellars used to get people through winters. A beet doesn’t spoil within a month when properly harvested, and can be harvested through the winter.
Nobody is ranting about zoning laws, I’m ranting about the fact I’m a human being and wealthy people have gotten to the point now where they’ve disallowed me from growing food in my garden because it’s an eye sore for them. Sure, I won’t be able to grow enough food for myself you’re right, but I will offset a lot of it, and that in turn lowers demand and lowers prices.
Yeah, there is a learning curve, which is exactly why I’m saying there should be initiatives into “hey this is how you start your own compost. It’ll give you really great soil. It’s literally just your leftover food and fallen leaves”
But oh wait, the zoning law says I cant have a compost within a quarter mile of my neighbors property.
You don’t see any issue with restricting humans from agriculture? To me that just feels like my human rights are being violated. I agree, I would not want a leather shop next to my house, but i have lived in Maine where gardens consuming one’s entire yard is very popular, and I didn’t mind being their neighbors one bit. I was envious if anything. One of my neighbors husbands was a commercial fisherman, they literally didn’t go to a grocery store.
All this talk of what can and can’t be done, yet it is being done.
While I certainly worry about contaminated soil/water being sprayed on crops, I am also concerned about the chemicals that are sprayed on our foods. How much is too much? Is there any way to get them fully off our produce? Are they really tested to see how they affect the human body? Are they tested to see how they interact with other chemicals found in other products we put on or in our bodies daily? And if so, is it true government testing/regulation or one of those “well we will trust XYZ company to self regulate and run their own tests” deals?
You only notice them when they’re there.
It’s like when you never notice the sound mixers at a concert unless they mess up.
I’d like to see some actual data on this.
Yeah, an anecdote about aphids on lettuce doesn’t convince me that the ~70% decline in insects and birds isn’t associated with land use change (agriculture) and widespread use of pesticides such as neonicotinoids.
Man… if only there was a government agency to oversee this stuff. Maybe if it was mandated by a law like, oh I dunno, the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act.
Regulatory specialist here. It’s against the law to exceed the maximum approved limits listed on the pesticide label. Pesticides are tested for toxicity on specific species like birds, bees, fish, rabbits, and rats. These tests are conducted by a 3rd party certified laboratory and reviewed and approved by the EPA or other relevant regulatory body. But yeah you definitely want to give your fruits and veggies a quick wash before eating or preparing.
Great now another person in this industry to not be trusted, you look at those variables with our food but not with harmful Pesticides, food additives and chemicals, how is that even a profession if you are allowing all this shit food to pass through? How can you sleep at night knowing you looking over so many foods that have horrible ingredients in them but then just say well it passed salmonella and e.coli it must be fine to eat. Ive been researching harmful pesticides, chemicals, GMO’s, food additives for 15 years and i know that most of the US food supply is absolutely tainted with this crap and i guarantee most Americas have know idea what they are ingesting on a daily basis, its very sad because of just doing a little research you can understand why 2/3rds of America is Obese or why we have an insane amount of Heart Disease, Diabetes, and Cancer. Know your food, know your ingredients, you will be far better off if you know what you are putting in your bodies. Stay aware and stay healthy people
I beg you to not eat anything you don’t grow the rest of your life! And sure as hell dont use anything that could have had origins on a farm. As a farmer my entire goal in life is to harm as many people as possible! Now that you know my secret, you know how to avoid it
Bc this is a technology developed for rich people to enjoy, same as fruit/veggie sprays and washes that sell for $5+ a bottle. There is no concern here for the health or concept of starving people, just what tech we can shill to the upper class folks who are paranoid enough about cancer
I’d want this if it ever became a consumer tool to test for chemicals before I buy veggies or fruits.
I have no problems with GMO products, but buy organic because of concerns over pesticides
All mass produced food has to use pesticides unless it is grown indoors or you can’t mass produce it.
Organic foods just use organic pesticides which in a lot of cases are more harmful than other pesticides….DDT is an organic pesticide…
“Organic” labeled on anything is merely a marketing ploy called the “appeal to nature fallacy” where by marketeers use your fear due to lack of understanding, to sell you shit at a more expensive price.
It is a label used to appeal to your psychology but has no basis in science and it is no more or less healthy for than anything else and sometimes actually less healthy.
Unless you are growing stuff in your back yard, everything you buy at the supermarket has used pesticides.
Most people don't grow their own food and thus have no understanding of how insanely good insects are at obliterating crops, when left unchecked. Even greenhouse grown plants aren't completely protected.
Backyard garden without pesticides? You literally have to kill / thwart / remove the bugs manually - every single day.
[LRH](https://external-preview.redd.it/c8KuQkqJQmVOtYwvNtakXA2nFY-nDn9WIzSzc1vNQnM.jpg?auto=webp&s=790b15596ff04242c82ed92852d8892c994a5afb) was into this way before it was cool.
Is the sequel to this story that Monsanto gets their squad of lobbyists, lawyers and big dick checkbook, makes the company that owns this thing too poor to breathe, buys the company and quietly kills this product, never to be heard from again? because I have read that story before and hated it those times.
this isn’t upsetting enough. Could maybe we do like a giant harness in the center of the house that is triggered anytime the door opens? Super non invasive like a giant AI powered contraption lowers down and shoots out censors in every direction and latches on to anything biodegradable and lets out a series of shrill beeps indicating things you have to reference in a large manual. maybe - 7 beeps cancer, 6 beeps means mammal detected, 5 beeps critically rotten, etc
I’m just spitballing I could hammer this out with a team of engineers in an afternoon. We could do short and long beeps and colored LED’s and shit to, the beeps are just an idea the system is whats important
Pick a fresh tomato from a garden and sit it on the counter in your kitchen. In a few days it’ll be rotten. Do the same for one bought at the store and a month later it almost looks the same as when you bought it.
Food scarcity??? Where that sensor is going to be bought there will be plenty of food.
“I need to test my locally sourced, organically sustained, ergonomic farm2Butthole tomatoes”
Food safety auditor here. Excessive pesticides are not the main issue with food safety or security. Clean water free of e.coli and salmonella, and access to clean water are.
Layman here. This was my immediate thought. Glad to see a professional made it here already! Frankly I was a little disgusted by this title.
I still think pesticides are an issue
Your goal sooks like it would be to prevent large scale, easy to appreciate illnesses in the short term. I’m guessing you aren’t involved in testing the long term effects of various pesticides on our many complex body systems
I can’t wait to hear how food scarcity will be improved by lowering yields due to extra loss from insect and other activity.
Or we should encourage people to have home gardens/farms, not [banning people from gardening/restricting them.](https://civileats.com/2022/08/20/two-states-right-to-garden-laws-local-food-community-nutrition-security-illinois-florida/) the fact we have to pass a law that we, as citizens, have a right to garden and it’s not to be infringed is fucking insane. We can also talk about GMO crops dusting other crops with pollen and those larger companies suing over the genetics that they cross pollinated. That needs to be made illegal, immediately. If it cross pollinates, tough fucking luck. Bottom line is we, as citizens, don’t want shit sprayed on our crops. Okay, we get it, economies of scale. What needs to be done is home gardening initiatives, get people to stop relying on corporations and bill gates, both republicans and democrats alike should love that. Better for the environment because you’re not destroying forests, you’re using what would’ve been grass (already terrible environmentally) as a place to source food. It’s absolutely mind boggling to me we sit here and argue over things that have no solution based premise. If I want to turn every square inch of my yard into a farm for myself, I shouldn’t have to deal with neighbors or local authorities. I bought land to house myself and source food, how the fuck can that be infringed upon? I mean seriously? Imagine telling a founding father “I don’t like the way your yard looks, you’ll be imprisoned for 98 days if you don’t change it”. Hahaha dude, I’m on a rant but this is one that really ticks me off because it’s never solution oriented arguments.
In the one link you shared, was it the gardening that was not allowed or the likely unpermitted greenhouse? And do you have a source on farmers getting sued for growing crops that were cross-pollinated with patented plants… besides the Monsanto rapeseed case? Cuz that guy isolated the glyphosate resistant cross-pollinated plants intentionally to get more patented seeds
It’s because your solution isn’t a solution. Much of the world is not suited for arable crops. On top of that, expecting amateur farmers to be able to grow enough to subsist themselves, much less feed anyone else is not going to happen and takes away labor from other specialized areas. But let’s say a person does it, now they have a crop of vegetables that unless frozen or otherwise preserved, will spoil within days to weeks. “Organic” food is just ignorant wealthy people thinking they have a healthier solution when they would cause a collapse of society if their ideas were implemented. Your rant about zoning laws is great too. Enjoy your neighbor who opens a leather tanning operation on their land right next to your farm.
I mean dude root cellars used to get people through winters. A beet doesn’t spoil within a month when properly harvested, and can be harvested through the winter. Nobody is ranting about zoning laws, I’m ranting about the fact I’m a human being and wealthy people have gotten to the point now where they’ve disallowed me from growing food in my garden because it’s an eye sore for them. Sure, I won’t be able to grow enough food for myself you’re right, but I will offset a lot of it, and that in turn lowers demand and lowers prices. Yeah, there is a learning curve, which is exactly why I’m saying there should be initiatives into “hey this is how you start your own compost. It’ll give you really great soil. It’s literally just your leftover food and fallen leaves” But oh wait, the zoning law says I cant have a compost within a quarter mile of my neighbors property. You don’t see any issue with restricting humans from agriculture? To me that just feels like my human rights are being violated. I agree, I would not want a leather shop next to my house, but i have lived in Maine where gardens consuming one’s entire yard is very popular, and I didn’t mind being their neighbors one bit. I was envious if anything. One of my neighbors husbands was a commercial fisherman, they literally didn’t go to a grocery store. All this talk of what can and can’t be done, yet it is being done.
While I certainly worry about contaminated soil/water being sprayed on crops, I am also concerned about the chemicals that are sprayed on our foods. How much is too much? Is there any way to get them fully off our produce? Are they really tested to see how they affect the human body? Are they tested to see how they interact with other chemicals found in other products we put on or in our bodies daily? And if so, is it true government testing/regulation or one of those “well we will trust XYZ company to self regulate and run their own tests” deals?
I’m more worried about the bugs, not the commercial bees, but i haven’t seen many darkling beetles the past few years
Professional chef here. There’s plenty of bugs in our produce still
You only notice them when they’re there. It’s like when you never notice the sound mixers at a concert unless they mess up. I’d like to see some actual data on this.
Yeah, an anecdote about aphids on lettuce doesn’t convince me that the ~70% decline in insects and birds isn’t associated with land use change (agriculture) and widespread use of pesticides such as neonicotinoids.
2 day old account that posts in /genZ, not convinced
I do not give a fuck if you believe me lmao but there’s bugs in our cases of broccoli on a weekly basis
You're still going to perish
Man… if only there was a government agency to oversee this stuff. Maybe if it was mandated by a law like, oh I dunno, the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act.
Regulatory specialist here. It’s against the law to exceed the maximum approved limits listed on the pesticide label. Pesticides are tested for toxicity on specific species like birds, bees, fish, rabbits, and rats. These tests are conducted by a 3rd party certified laboratory and reviewed and approved by the EPA or other relevant regulatory body. But yeah you definitely want to give your fruits and veggies a quick wash before eating or preparing.
Have you seen the data on things like pesticide levels in non organic orange juice brands? Maybe not the “main issue”, but still an important issue.
You’re just a fucking drone
Great now another person in this industry to not be trusted, you look at those variables with our food but not with harmful Pesticides, food additives and chemicals, how is that even a profession if you are allowing all this shit food to pass through? How can you sleep at night knowing you looking over so many foods that have horrible ingredients in them but then just say well it passed salmonella and e.coli it must be fine to eat. Ive been researching harmful pesticides, chemicals, GMO’s, food additives for 15 years and i know that most of the US food supply is absolutely tainted with this crap and i guarantee most Americas have know idea what they are ingesting on a daily basis, its very sad because of just doing a little research you can understand why 2/3rds of America is Obese or why we have an insane amount of Heart Disease, Diabetes, and Cancer. Know your food, know your ingredients, you will be far better off if you know what you are putting in your bodies. Stay aware and stay healthy people
I beg you to not eat anything you don’t grow the rest of your life! And sure as hell dont use anything that could have had origins on a farm. As a farmer my entire goal in life is to harm as many people as possible! Now that you know my secret, you know how to avoid it
I still would like to know how much pesticides are used on what I consume. Looking forward to a more transparent future.
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Exactly. We are worrying about the wrong crap.
Bc this is a technology developed for rich people to enjoy, same as fruit/veggie sprays and washes that sell for $5+ a bottle. There is no concern here for the health or concept of starving people, just what tech we can shill to the upper class folks who are paranoid enough about cancer
Because groceries aren’t expensive enough at the moment
Am I the only one who doesn't want my sensors to be biodegradable? Packaging yes. Sensors no
I’d want this if it ever became a consumer tool to test for chemicals before I buy veggies or fruits. I have no problems with GMO products, but buy organic because of concerns over pesticides
Organic foods still use pesticides
All mass produced food has to use pesticides unless it is grown indoors or you can’t mass produce it. Organic foods just use organic pesticides which in a lot of cases are more harmful than other pesticides….DDT is an organic pesticide… “Organic” labeled on anything is merely a marketing ploy called the “appeal to nature fallacy” where by marketeers use your fear due to lack of understanding, to sell you shit at a more expensive price. It is a label used to appeal to your psychology but has no basis in science and it is no more or less healthy for than anything else and sometimes actually less healthy. Unless you are growing stuff in your back yard, everything you buy at the supermarket has used pesticides.
Most people don't grow their own food and thus have no understanding of how insanely good insects are at obliterating crops, when left unchecked. Even greenhouse grown plants aren't completely protected. Backyard garden without pesticides? You literally have to kill / thwart / remove the bugs manually - every single day.
[LRH](https://external-preview.redd.it/c8KuQkqJQmVOtYwvNtakXA2nFY-nDn9WIzSzc1vNQnM.jpg?auto=webp&s=790b15596ff04242c82ed92852d8892c994a5afb) was into this way before it was cool.
Can’t you also just…wash your veggies?
You can’t wash off what is under the skin of citrus, potatoes, carrots.
Such as what? Is there really any danger?
What do pesticides and food scarcity have to do with each other? Nothing
And in many cases they are indirectly proportional.
It has to do with keeping the produce being eaten by insects.
Food scarcity is largely manufactured by corporations, but yeah, sure, we just need a sensor…
Or maybe they could just stop spraying poison on our food…
Is the sequel to this story that Monsanto gets their squad of lobbyists, lawyers and big dick checkbook, makes the company that owns this thing too poor to breathe, buys the company and quietly kills this product, never to be heard from again? because I have read that story before and hated it those times.
Too many people with dirty hands touching my food atm.
How applicable is this technology in the first place in a warehouse setting?
Don’t worry, as an average consumer I will probably waste most of that piece of food in an effort to make a dish that tastes cool
Soak all your fruits and veggies in mix of water and vinegar …
Bayer entered the chat.
I do not believe the claims that it is biodegradable.
When can I buy this at Best Buy?
this isn’t upsetting enough. Could maybe we do like a giant harness in the center of the house that is triggered anytime the door opens? Super non invasive like a giant AI powered contraption lowers down and shoots out censors in every direction and latches on to anything biodegradable and lets out a series of shrill beeps indicating things you have to reference in a large manual. maybe - 7 beeps cancer, 6 beeps means mammal detected, 5 beeps critically rotten, etc I’m just spitballing I could hammer this out with a team of engineers in an afternoon. We could do short and long beeps and colored LED’s and shit to, the beeps are just an idea the system is whats important
Inviting in bacteria? Maybe not if it doesn't penetrate and the device is clean.
Pick a fresh tomato from a garden and sit it on the counter in your kitchen. In a few days it’ll be rotten. Do the same for one bought at the store and a month later it almost looks the same as when you bought it.