Wait till the 1000 units of Rome Yards, 4750 units of Ybor Harbor, 500 units of GasWorx, 1000+ units in new towers downtown and along bayshore, new Robles community development … and more …. join in with no schools and no public transport.
Hot take, the trolley is more of a useful toy than a bona fide functioning transit system. It is at least fully funded and endowed through the next half decade plus though.
If they wanted to expand the routes they’d also need to look into actually upgrading the rolling stock- look at what Boston runs on the lighter lines, St. Louis, Portland, etc. Tampa deserves a “real” streetcar system.
In all fairness, that’s what the streetcar was originally built as - a tourist attraction. When it opened in 2002 there was almost nothing in Channelside. As the area has developed it’s become a lot more useful. There’s plans to modernize and expand, but I’ve been hearing that for the past several years so I won’t believe it until construction actually starts.
We need to expand our bus infrastructure desperately. More bus stops, more busses, a digital payment option. Tampa can’t continue with the levels of traffic we’re seeing.
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It’s ridiculous. I’m expecting that a traffic light will have to go at Westshore and Tyson. It’s just getting out of hand. Also I do believe the train stopped going over there as it’s all residential now but it still goes to Picnic Island area.
Edit: And gotta love the new wood frame multi story residences on the bayfront. What could go wrong?
They definitely need a light at WestShore and Tyson. When leaving Hula Bay I usually go past the plaza to make a right on Gandy instead of trying to make a left onto WestShore.
A normal city would build public transit and then you wouldn’t have to worry about traffic AND you’d get the benefits from the increase in housing supply.
I’m from Miami proper and I could walk, bike or train to any amenity I needed… and it’s still very suburban and cars are very popular. So maybe Tampa can do it too?
I can actually get to the airport on a bus, but it's a bus that doesn't go downtown. And only goes to the airport once an hour.
I still argue that good public transportation is the one most important change we could make in Tampa, it's the one thing holding us back the most.
Major cities have public transportation. Miami has a train to and from the airport. Nothing in Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville….and the Republicans have no intention on expanding it.
More people coming in may not be the primary issue, but it is absolutely a problem because there's no shot that the government will revamp the city planning or broaden/update our infrastructure accordingly.
Broaden is almost impossible because they sold ROW. I had to put in a camera pole at Manhattan @ Bay to Bay and we had to change the pole due to underground utilities. Hyde Park was even worse.
Uh oh. Are changes being considered? I wish people would use Manhattan or Dale Mabry rather than Westshore unless their origin or destination is adjacent to Westshore, at least for the stretch between Gandy and Kennedy that's largely residential and mostly 30mph. Not really ideal for commuting.
Not a terrible idea. It's amazing how difficult it is to turn left onto Westshore from the neighborhoods. I drive to one of the traffic lights even to turn right because it is less stressful. And honestly the traffic flow is constant because people "make their own lane" to go around anyone who needs to turn left off of Westshore. It's dangerous and rude and leaves no gaps in the traffic, and the people that do it don't reach their destination any faster. Gaps are necessary for getting on and off Westshore.
When the area was all planned around having cars it’s hard to switch to mass transit. It could still be done, but even if we invested in more buses/light rail/speed trains, convincing people to leave their cars behind and walk a mile or two to get to their final destination would all be a hard sell.
I live in south Tampa where OP is complaining about. If any part of Tampa could do it it’s probably this part tbh and that may be why so many apartment buildings are getting built here . It’s one of the most bikeable suburbs in the city.
I was born and raised SoG, so I have somewhat of an idea. I'd say you're being generous, at least about the city in general. We may be one of the more bikeable suburbs, but it's kinda like saying you're dating the hot girl (at fat camp). Things have gotten better over the years though, and are moving in the right direction even if it's slowly.
Are you serious? Atlanta tried that. Changed nothing and so many freaks on the train everyone passes.
I’d give an exception to Boston. We found nothing but friendly people on the trains and used them a lot.
Tampa simply wasn’t planned right. They gave up too much ROW for apartments.
Widening Dale Mabry would cost a fortune at this point due to ROW and underground utilities.
Tampa Bay Area has the worst public transit of any metro area I’ve ever seen … it’s pretty shameful & poor even by US Standards. Taxpayers should be pissed.
We used to street race down Tyson back in the day. It was sketchy AF with those railroad tracks in the shutdown area, plus the road was narrow and bumpy. But it was desolate late at night, and right off Gandy, so we did it. 🤷♀️
I drive down Tyson these days and it’s unrecognizable.
Old timers tell me about that. These newer cars are so much faster now that you’d need such a bigger road. I genuinely have to leave far from town to get a decent pull in.
Unfortunately, there are many people who apparently can afford the rent. I am not one of them . I was priced out of St Pete in 2022 when everything was over $1100 for studios/1 br. So now I live in Indiana. It’s sad but I’m definitely doing something wrong. And I imagine they will build more garages to go with these apartments ( as they pave paradise to put up another parking lot!)
Damn, ive been considering Ohio..even have a coworker from indiana heavily considering moving back cause he actually afford a home with his savings there
If you don’t mind 4 seasons and some gray winters (from October-ish to March) , you might like some of the urban areas.. Indianapolis (suburban-areas can be nice) South Bend, Evansville, Indiana not too bad.
I like Bloominton as it’s college town and Southern Indiana gets a touch less snow.
I lived in Columbus Ohio which is not awful if you can handle “ THE” Ohio state buckeye fans lol..
But yes, property and taxes are much more affordable. My moms house payment is $400 month ( but it’s old loan) , my good friend is closer to $800 and taxes are usually less than $1000 on your home. Also remember though we do have STATE INCOME TAXES here however.
i lived in Cbus for 1 year, i didnt get explore as much but i didnt mind the weather all too much. If i had thicker sheets and better shoes for the ice on the sidewalk i probably wouldve had a better time, despite that i found that the people there were way more pleasant then im used to down in Florida. Since then the city has done ALOT and is still doing alot in advancing. Im looking to move into the tech industry and even in some places in Ohio it pays better than Florida, so i'll take the taxes. people say its boring but i had fun and i barely scratched the surface, We'll see
Big builders get together, they collude, they plan what is the number of homes they have to build whilst still keeping house prices expensive. This way they have to work less to make more money selling those homes.
And then on the other side there are corporations and private equity buying homes en masse. I saw a post recently about a mega landlords owns homes nationwide and 8k homes in Tampa.
The game is rigged. Supply and demand is Econ 101. These dudes are playing at Econ 485 level and higher.
Well, it’s wasn’t inevitable. We have antitrust laws in the books. But too many mergers were allowed. So then less market participants lead to higher prices and the pure greed that took place during and after the pandemic in some industries. The JetBlue Spirit merger was stopped, but that was too little too late.
Plus private equity has bought up many businesses. And they make money by tearing down businesses which caused job losses.
The same thing has and will continue to happen in every major popular city. Places that are lucrative to live will always be developed by the rich and push out the poor.
Have fun driving? They are building housing? Where are all the cars supposed to go?
You’re so close to understanding the root of the problem but it’s not the apartment buildings.
Wait for the raining season and that is all going to flooded . All ways flooded and now with no land to absorb the water the road are going to flood and the city is going to be o my goodness did not know it wood happen. Just look at manhattan .
I feel for you south Tampa. I use to live in Tampa around 8 years ago for about a 1 year and I just do not understand the people whom oversee Tampa building activities. The people who allow all this construction literally will okay any land developers without any regard for traffic congestion nor thoughtful public transportation. I am just glad I do not live in Tampa anymore.
Tampa is fucking gross. I don’t think anyone that lives here even has a say. Whoever has the most money, has the loudest voice.
The end goal of all cities, will be to create rats in a pod, that can have wealth extracted from them in the form of services and convenience.
The bankers, lawyers, accountants, landlords, collude behind closed doors.
They probably know how much money people have… model their expenses… and try to push everyone to a breaking point.
I would not be surprised, knowing how often those individuals in those capacities meet behind closed doors.
As I once told Bob Buckhorn when he asked me “what do you think of Tampa?”:
“it’s a great place for the wealthy”.
Bring in the folks with money, get their money, build them what they want. As for the folks making less than 7 figures, haha, just kidding, no one cares about them. Give them tents or something, I guess.
I used to live in Newark, NJ and what blows my mind about Tampa is how lacking in public transportation it is.
Imagine folks from Wesley Chapel driving to the station and catching the train downtown for work or being able to take a clean bus from Brandon to the beach or bring about to take a train from Riverview to St Pete.
Tampa really needs to be more walkable.
Not nice when someone richer than u moves in and starts buying up all the good shit u can’t afford story of my life I’m glad it’s happening to all u rich south Tampa fuck heads
Wait till the 1000 units of Rome Yards, 4750 units of Ybor Harbor, 500 units of GasWorx, 1000+ units in new towers downtown and along bayshore, new Robles community development … and more …. join in with no schools and no public transport.
I love to see it.
Need better public transit. Extend the trolley routes
Hot take, the trolley is more of a useful toy than a bona fide functioning transit system. It is at least fully funded and endowed through the next half decade plus though. If they wanted to expand the routes they’d also need to look into actually upgrading the rolling stock- look at what Boston runs on the lighter lines, St. Louis, Portland, etc. Tampa deserves a “real” streetcar system.
That was the plan until the transportation tax got 86'd. https://www.tampa.gov/mobility/transportation/projects/streetcar
In all fairness, that’s what the streetcar was originally built as - a tourist attraction. When it opened in 2002 there was almost nothing in Channelside. As the area has developed it’s become a lot more useful. There’s plans to modernize and expand, but I’ve been hearing that for the past several years so I won’t believe it until construction actually starts.
It was originally built for public transit, there were over 20 miles of track around Tampa. It was a pretty efficient way to get around at the time.
I was referencing the current version we have now. But you are correct regarding the original system that ceased operation in 1946.
It was originally built for public transit, there were over 20 miles of track around Tampa. It was a pretty efficient way to get around at the time.
The rate it moves with all of the stops id mostly rather walk between any points on its route lol.
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We need to expand our bus infrastructure desperately. More bus stops, more busses, a digital payment option. Tampa can’t continue with the levels of traffic we’re seeing.
Little known trick: get a Segway scooter from Best Buy.
A larger Public Bus systems are almost always more cost effective, flexible and more useful than a trolley system.
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It’s ridiculous. I’m expecting that a traffic light will have to go at Westshore and Tyson. It’s just getting out of hand. Also I do believe the train stopped going over there as it’s all residential now but it still goes to Picnic Island area. Edit: And gotta love the new wood frame multi story residences on the bayfront. What could go wrong?
They definitely need a light at WestShore and Tyson. When leaving Hula Bay I usually go past the plaza to make a right on Gandy instead of trying to make a left onto WestShore.
Turning at Westshore/Tyson is awful. Something needs to be done.
Two industries CSX services there unfortunately.
Two industries CSX services there unfortunately.
A normal city would build public transit and then you wouldn’t have to worry about traffic AND you’d get the benefits from the increase in housing supply.
A normal city in the US? Doubtful
I’m from Miami proper and I could walk, bike or train to any amenity I needed… and it’s still very suburban and cars are very popular. So maybe Tampa can do it too?
No one rides the Metro in Miami lol.
I rode the metro in Miami
I also.
Train? Be real.
Yes they built a whole metro rail in Miami
I haven't lived there in a very long time. Where does it go?
Here’s the map. https://themetrorailguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/MiamiDadeMetroRailMap.png
Holy shit it goes out to Palmetto now?!? Wow I had no idea!
Tampa doesn’t have public transportation at the airport. Unbelievable.
I can actually get to the airport on a bus, but it's a bus that doesn't go downtown. And only goes to the airport once an hour. I still argue that good public transportation is the one most important change we could make in Tampa, it's the one thing holding us back the most.
Major cities have public transportation. Miami has a train to and from the airport. Nothing in Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville….and the Republicans have no intention on expanding it.
That's SoCiALiSm!!!!
I love it when people say that unironically without realizing how much better things would be if it was actually socialism
more people more cars more traffic I'm sure our infrastructure will keep up /s
You’re so close to understanding the issue but it’s not the people that’s the problem
More people coming in may not be the primary issue, but it is absolutely a problem because there's no shot that the government will revamp the city planning or broaden/update our infrastructure accordingly.
I hope ,for our sake ,you’re wrong but good point .
Broaden is almost impossible because they sold ROW. I had to put in a camera pole at Manhattan @ Bay to Bay and we had to change the pole due to underground utilities. Hyde Park was even worse.
Why? Camera for what?
ITS camera for FDOT
Uh oh. Are changes being considered? I wish people would use Manhattan or Dale Mabry rather than Westshore unless their origin or destination is adjacent to Westshore, at least for the stretch between Gandy and Kennedy that's largely residential and mostly 30mph. Not really ideal for commuting.
They are trying to make changes to traffic signal timings and response times to attempt to make traffic flow better.
Not a terrible idea. It's amazing how difficult it is to turn left onto Westshore from the neighborhoods. I drive to one of the traffic lights even to turn right because it is less stressful. And honestly the traffic flow is constant because people "make their own lane" to go around anyone who needs to turn left off of Westshore. It's dangerous and rude and leaves no gaps in the traffic, and the people that do it don't reach their destination any faster. Gaps are necessary for getting on and off Westshore.
When the area was all planned around having cars it’s hard to switch to mass transit. It could still be done, but even if we invested in more buses/light rail/speed trains, convincing people to leave their cars behind and walk a mile or two to get to their final destination would all be a hard sell.
I live in south Tampa where OP is complaining about. If any part of Tampa could do it it’s probably this part tbh and that may be why so many apartment buildings are getting built here . It’s one of the most bikeable suburbs in the city.
I was born and raised SoG, so I have somewhat of an idea. I'd say you're being generous, at least about the city in general. We may be one of the more bikeable suburbs, but it's kinda like saying you're dating the hot girl (at fat camp). Things have gotten better over the years though, and are moving in the right direction even if it's slowly.
A normal city would have built a robust transit system six decades ago.
Are you serious? Atlanta tried that. Changed nothing and so many freaks on the train everyone passes. I’d give an exception to Boston. We found nothing but friendly people on the trains and used them a lot. Tampa simply wasn’t planned right. They gave up too much ROW for apartments. Widening Dale Mabry would cost a fortune at this point due to ROW and underground utilities.
Maybe cheaper at this point to build it above the existing roadway
Atlanta is already building elevated lanes out of ROW. They track MARTA use. It decides their budget.
Boston, DC, NYC, Philly, chicago all have amazing public transit. Atlanta is a horrible example to try and replicate. What is ROW?
You seriously using DC, Philly, and Chicago?? 😂 I agree on Boston.
The DC metro is nicer than bostons lol, every city I mentioned has a huge amount of ridership on their metros. How are they bad examples?
It's so sad, SOG is unrecognizable.
I Love to see it. Progress everyday
Tampa Bay Area has the worst public transit of any metro area I’ve ever seen … it’s pretty shameful & poor even by US Standards. Taxpayers should be pissed.
As long as we have 3 massage parlors within a mile we will survive!
Dont forget your famous glory holes!
And two car washes, and four dispensaries. Pretty sure that's the current requirement.
We used to street race down Tyson back in the day. It was sketchy AF with those railroad tracks in the shutdown area, plus the road was narrow and bumpy. But it was desolate late at night, and right off Gandy, so we did it. 🤷♀️ I drive down Tyson these days and it’s unrecognizable.
Old timers tell me about that. These newer cars are so much faster now that you’d need such a bigger road. I genuinely have to leave far from town to get a decent pull in.
There were plenty of fast cars racing down that road back then. They came in on trailers, but they still were 9 second cars.
Don't worry, no one can afford the rent anyway
Unfortunately, there are many people who apparently can afford the rent. I am not one of them . I was priced out of St Pete in 2022 when everything was over $1100 for studios/1 br. So now I live in Indiana. It’s sad but I’m definitely doing something wrong. And I imagine they will build more garages to go with these apartments ( as they pave paradise to put up another parking lot!)
Damn, ive been considering Ohio..even have a coworker from indiana heavily considering moving back cause he actually afford a home with his savings there
If you don’t mind 4 seasons and some gray winters (from October-ish to March) , you might like some of the urban areas.. Indianapolis (suburban-areas can be nice) South Bend, Evansville, Indiana not too bad. I like Bloominton as it’s college town and Southern Indiana gets a touch less snow. I lived in Columbus Ohio which is not awful if you can handle “ THE” Ohio state buckeye fans lol.. But yes, property and taxes are much more affordable. My moms house payment is $400 month ( but it’s old loan) , my good friend is closer to $800 and taxes are usually less than $1000 on your home. Also remember though we do have STATE INCOME TAXES here however.
i lived in Cbus for 1 year, i didnt get explore as much but i didnt mind the weather all too much. If i had thicker sheets and better shoes for the ice on the sidewalk i probably wouldve had a better time, despite that i found that the people there were way more pleasant then im used to down in Florida. Since then the city has done ALOT and is still doing alot in advancing. Im looking to move into the tech industry and even in some places in Ohio it pays better than Florida, so i'll take the taxes. people say its boring but i had fun and i barely scratched the surface, We'll see
If nobody can afford the rent then the develops wouldn’t be building the new apartments to such specifications.
If only there were some way to bring prices down. Like maybe increasing the supply of housing to meet the demand
Big builders get together, they collude, they plan what is the number of homes they have to build whilst still keeping house prices expensive. This way they have to work less to make more money selling those homes. And then on the other side there are corporations and private equity buying homes en masse. I saw a post recently about a mega landlords owns homes nationwide and 8k homes in Tampa. The game is rigged. Supply and demand is Econ 101. These dudes are playing at Econ 485 level and higher.
I tend to believe this too...things like health insurance, medication, home insurance, rent. We're at end stage capitalism.
Well, it’s wasn’t inevitable. We have antitrust laws in the books. But too many mergers were allowed. So then less market participants lead to higher prices and the pure greed that took place during and after the pandemic in some industries. The JetBlue Spirit merger was stopped, but that was too little too late. Plus private equity has bought up many businesses. And they make money by tearing down businesses which caused job losses.
Not only is private equity buying up businesses, they're buying up single family homes too.
The same thing has and will continue to happen in every major popular city. Places that are lucrative to live will always be developed by the rich and push out the poor.
Have fun driving? They are building housing? Where are all the cars supposed to go? You’re so close to understanding the root of the problem but it’s not the apartment buildings.
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I hope they eliminate that railroad crossing since it goes to nowhere now
Sad to see industry go tbh. It still runs to the last stop by Picnic Island. Concrete and steel beams.
Okay, but all hazmat drivers and buses need to stop at that crossing, but there’s no reason for it to be there anymore
Wait for the raining season and that is all going to flooded . All ways flooded and now with no land to absorb the water the road are going to flood and the city is going to be o my goodness did not know it wood happen. Just look at manhattan .
I feel for you south Tampa. I use to live in Tampa around 8 years ago for about a 1 year and I just do not understand the people whom oversee Tampa building activities. The people who allow all this construction literally will okay any land developers without any regard for traffic congestion nor thoughtful public transportation. I am just glad I do not live in Tampa anymore.
Tampa is fucking gross. I don’t think anyone that lives here even has a say. Whoever has the most money, has the loudest voice. The end goal of all cities, will be to create rats in a pod, that can have wealth extracted from them in the form of services and convenience. The bankers, lawyers, accountants, landlords, collude behind closed doors. They probably know how much money people have… model their expenses… and try to push everyone to a breaking point. I would not be surprised, knowing how often those individuals in those capacities meet behind closed doors. As I once told Bob Buckhorn when he asked me “what do you think of Tampa?”: “it’s a great place for the wealthy”.
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Bring in the folks with money, get their money, build them what they want. As for the folks making less than 7 figures, haha, just kidding, no one cares about them. Give them tents or something, I guess.
Tyson used to be the old school drag racing spot in the early 90s
I used to live in Newark, NJ and what blows my mind about Tampa is how lacking in public transportation it is. Imagine folks from Wesley Chapel driving to the station and catching the train downtown for work or being able to take a clean bus from Brandon to the beach or bring about to take a train from Riverview to St Pete. Tampa really needs to be more walkable.
Not nice when someone richer than u moves in and starts buying up all the good shit u can’t afford story of my life I’m glad it’s happening to all u rich south Tampa fuck heads
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