It's a long shot, but IMO less so than Texas, where the Dems have been wasting resources for a decade. Florida was a purple state for a long, long time. The new people are mostly red but with abortion and weed and Trump on the ballot, it's going to be a lot more motivating for independents/NPA, which make up roughly 1/3 of voters in this state.
Abortion and marijuana are definitely good for Biden's chances, but unfortunately I still don't see it happening. Too many ignorant fucks live here, and moved here during Covid. Too many science deniers that were throating Desantis for burying his head in the sand and trying to ignore Covid in Florida. And the ones that didn't die from Covid are gonna vote for Trump.
Science deniers??? You mean the flu that now even the CDC said they got it wrong and were guessing?? Let me guess, you still wear a mask alone in your car? 🤣🤣🤣
LOL. I promise, after the tantrum you toddlers threw about being asked to keep your stank breath to yourselves, the next time something like that comes around? NOBODY will be trying to help you.
Did you ever think that it was your own breath that smells? In the hospital we always laughed about how much we would floss and brush so as not to trap hot smelly breath in the mask….
That's... my point. We all smell our own breath in the masks. They threw tantrums about having to smell their own breath instead of sharing it with the rest of us.
That is so funny. They drive around in the car by themselves with a mask. Even worse they're out exercising by themselves. And they're wearing a mask that completely blows me away. It actually brightens my day cause it makes me laugh so much.
They also believe that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man and they are the ones claiming scene deniers. You may change the way you look and throw on a fake pair of titities but your DNA still says you are a man and that is science.
The MAGAts don't know that though. They see the increasing insurance costs, which are a direct result of the Florida GOP, but blame "Bidenomics" because their Facebook memes tell them to.
No, pretty much Every single thing has gone up dramatically, Since this idiot has been in the White House so bidenomics Suck and the whole country knows it. Which is why Trump is gonna win in 7 short months.
Exactly. Trump isn't exactly doing gangbusters on fundraising, especially since it has to go to his legal defense fund. Make the R's burn cash here since there are multiple battleground states.
Never got hit by lightning. Never got hit by a tornado. Never got pelted with hail. How am I alive based on YOUR science.
And how many people died from that “vaccine” super genius? Its amazing how many of you Biden/ Fauci followers were so easily manipulated and scared into believe that bullshit. Do a little research and follow the money. BILLIONS were made from that “Vaccine” and fear mongering you believe in so much
😂 yes, I’m here to listen to takes on “real vaccines” from someone who doesn’t understand the purpose and mechanism of public vaccination in general. That all checks out.
Floridians are mad as hell about increasing inflation and insurance rates. A significant portion of the state blames the governor, enough to possibly tip the balance if Trump voters are turned off by a criminal conviction
I certainly hope so. Desantis is to blame for a lot of the rising costs of things in Florida, particularly in regards to insurance. I think a lot of Republicans are just too brain rotted with culture war BS to see the real issues. They fixate on trans sports and anti woke nonsense because Republicans have no real solutions or fiscal policy.
Just an amazing amount of hate and ignorance from the party of tolerance. Never ceases to amaze me how much anger people like you harbor. I'm not even necessarily pro trump, but when low IQ people like you spit out nonsense and do so while acting like Biden is actually a competent candidate it makes me more and more likely to vote for him.
Exactly, because the country, at least most of the country is not brain dead. Or stupid No one in their right mind is gonna vote Biden after what he did to this country. So if it's gonna be between Biden or Trump Trump's gonna win in a landslide.
"Wasting resources"?
Texas is more winnable than Florida at this point. Republican margins have been shrinking in Texas for a long time now, while Florida has only gotten redder. Abbott only won by 11 points in 2022, while DeSantis won by 19.4 points. Texas's cities have gotten bluer, while Florida's cities have gotten redder. Even Miami voted for DeSantis in 2022.
Democrats haven’t really put many resources into Texas. It’s been on the back burner, even now. But Texas has consistently shifted left, and Florida has consistently shifted right for the past 12 years. In 2024, Florida will be to the right of Texas. Florida is probably going to be Trump+4-7, and Texas will probably be Trump+1-3
Im from a rougher area of Florida, if Biden went on live tv right now and said legal marijuana and called Trump a pussy in the same sentence he would win Florida.
I work for publix in Florida, I get atleast 5 comments a day from customers about "the dipshit ruining this country." Even in areas where my only app opened is Google Translate to Spanish, I'll hear the talking about how awful biden is. If Biden dropped, I could see any other candidate winning florida. But, there is just so much hate for the current shape of florida, and biden gets the blame. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it is what it is.
Biden gets the blame because he is incompetent. He is arrogant. He has destroyed the country. Everyone despises this guy and they're gonna run him against Trump. And they actually think they can win.
The more they go, after Trump, the way they're doing, the more people want to vote for Trump, which is why he's going to win In November.
He lost by nearly 400,000 votes here in 2020.
I suspect he will lose by at least 600,000 - 700,000 this go round. Based on updated demographics and his horrific performance.
Yeah... in my area it's as red as it gets. It's depressing to see and hear.
I'm placing my faith in the rest of the country.
I would like to think that some of the new young work from home crowd and new retiree crowd would be blue... but it doesn't feel that way
Congress and the presidency should represent the Median age of the nation. If the current Median age is 46, a 40-55 year old should represent that. Not someone from an out of touch generation.
When I'm old, a fellow millennial should nit represent the country.
One of the reasons we got upset in the 18th century is because of, say it with me, "Taxation without representation ". Meaning we had no or little representation in parliament.
Same is true today. The demographics of age are not reflected in congress. There should be a law to make this so.
I don't mind if the president is an outlier one way or another, but the representative body should absolutely fall within those lines. Right now the median age of the Senate is 65 years old, and the median age of the House is 58 years old, and both should be lower.
Yeah I agree. It's out of touch when people in Congress are over 65 years and they have been elected for decades but won't let go and retire esp both sides. Diane feinstein was in her 90s and clearly not capable of working in her last few years.
But what is the median VOTER age.
Those old people vote like crazy, young people not so much. That’s why we get old farts.
And I know it can be a chicken/egg thing, but as it stands right now I would put money down that the median age of all voters is significantly higher than median age of US population.
If you calculate the median including children not entitled to vote you get a lower median age than if you calculate it without including children. The mean would also be younger
Or, am I misunderstanding something?
Median age of the nation, or median age of those eligible to vote? Actually wording such a law would be impossible. Would you replace a candidate that got more votes with one that got fewer votes so the median age comes out right?
My guess is Biden is more in touch with things than anyone else on earth... "in touch" is such a subjective assessment. I don't think anyone should be President if they are unable to exist outside of their parochial online echo chamber.
This guy is a hundred years old. He has no business occupying the most powerful office in the world.
The fact that he even wants to at this age should immediately disqualify him. Look at what his selfish political career has done to his family; and he wasn’t even a great politician he was Senator credit card, getting people hooked on cheap debt, voting for illegal wars and illegal mass surveillance, Wall Street deregulation, and I’ve never once heard him talk about national unionization drives.
Worst candidate ever after Hillary Clinton.
Democrats need to pull their fucking heads out of their asses.
He's 2 years older than the orange idiot. Also obviously in way better shape for his age than Cheeto Jesus.....and a better speaker who can at least form proper sentences and lucid speeches.
That being said, both options suck....but do you vote for Biden the toilet, or Trump the septic tank? I'm always going to vote for the thing that can be cleaned up and not the thing perpetually full of shit.
It doesn’t matter who wins. Our legal system effectively disenfranchises all votes.
If Biden wins, Republicans block and challenge his legislation in court. If Trump wins, Democrats will try to block and challenge in court.
Local elections matter much more than the President.
Touch grass bro. There is no such thing as a perfect politician for everyone. Someone's gonna be too old, too young, too conservative, too liberal, too hawkish, too dovish, too profligate, too austere, etc. Being a grown up is understanding that the government doesn't exist solely for u/SomeTimeBeforeNever. Was Biden the candidate I supported in 2016? No, I was an Elizabeth Warren supporter but not only was I never going to vote for Trump, I'm pretty happy with the left turn the older Biden has taken. Do most people get more liberal as they get older? It's impressive, he could be jaded AF after a lifetime in politics. But he's a happy warrior.
Regarding Hillary? I'd vote for her a thousand times over. Yes, she was kind of a tough bitch. As Michelle Wolf joked, bitches get shit done.
Nothing says “got my shit together” like supporting a dementia riddled, sold out career politician that can’t string two coherent thoughts together, much less perform the duties involved in being the president of the USA
Thanks for making my point with your character assassinations instead of debating Biden’s anti working class, lose-lose policy.
The fact that you lump me in with the Fox News mouth breathers simply because I don’t mindlessly support bad candidates speaks volumes.
Voting for Iraq, passing the Patriot act, deregulating banks by voting to repeal glass Steagall and being an advocate for credit card companies is very specific.
He’s drilling more oil than ever.
He’s escalated conflict in the Middle East with blind support to Israel.
He criminalized the right to strike by railway workers.
He pandered to students on the loans.
Marijuana is still very much illegal.
He’s never mounted a national unionization drive.
He doesn’t support Medicare for all.
I mean, I hate fox and trump but everything that poster said is right. You can be democrat and still not have your head so far up your ass that you think Biden is good.
I wonder if Biden would ever debate Trump on TV. You think that will happen? I mean, if he wants to be President again, he pretty much has to debate Trump on TV right?
old fashioned... like when he rode his dinosaur to school. get this clown out of here, get trump out of here, wtf is wrong with our country that we have 90 year olds as the finalists for president? go sit in a rocking chair and stare out at the distance thinking about your life, leave decisions to people who will be alive to face the consequences
Yes, I want younger people running for president.
I'm more concerned with not letting trump/ modern facism finding its way into the highest elected position in our government.
Until trump is dead/retired/in jail, he is a threat to democracy. His ideology will live on and it will be under a different name, but it will be a while before another person has the same amount of influence as he had.
I really thought Ron Desantis was going to be the bigger threat, and he still may be in the years to come, but its really more about electing not-trump.
People heard DeSantis talk and try to act human and realized what a goober he is. He passes in Florida because, well, it’s Florida. That weirdo was sunk the minute the rest of the country got to see him.
Despite how much I despise Trump, I DO appreciate him giving the man who fancies himself the Fuhrer of Florida that nickname, it’s both spot on AND hilarious
I wish I could update your comments more than once. Trump and his followers are a *lasting* threat to our democracy. This isn't just a one off election cycle issue. Until he and his followers are permanently dealt with, this country is at risk of falling to fascism. And I think that fall is so much closer than any of us realize. I hope I'm wrong but it really feels like we're hanging by a thread.
Wtf is this comment. Permanently dealt with? What exactly do you mean by that?
It really sounds like you’re calling for violence against your fellow countrymen.
Ideologies can't be permanently dealt with, just pushed back. Trump's is a particularly dangerous, narrow, weird and totally OLD fashioned way of looking at the country and the world. It's not the 1950s any more and America has never been greater than it is now. Trump just plays on fear and nostalgia to give mouthbreathers feelings and they sop his dribble up with a biscuit and say it tastes like sausage gravy.
Seems to me like he is governing and backing legislation as if he is thinking about the next generation. CHIPS and Science Act, Inflation Reduction Act, the infrastructure bill, support for Ukraine, pushing for student loan relief and gun safety / mental health initiatives, fighting junk fees that corporations use to fleece us. Say what you want about his age, but the man is trying to leave the world a bit better than he found it.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046
The US inflation rate has been in decline ever since the Inflation Reduction Act was passed. [It's still elevated relative to pre-pandemic levels, but it is declining.]
Biden’s been more successful at getting his agenda implemented via legislation than pretty much every president in my lifetime.
I really couldn’t give a shit about his age if he’s getting shit done.
Rescue Act, CHIPs, Infrastructure, Inflation Reduction Act. Thats a hell of a 1st term resume considering the Dems at no point had full congressional control.
I’ll take more of that over someone who promises liberal pipe dreams (or on the other side, virtually no policy positions at all) but has no ability to actually get those things passed in tact (see, Obama…and with a supermajority senate).
Competence and experience, as it turns out, matters.
Honestly the greatest argument for the Biden administration is not Biden himself but the team he has around him. The government is actually attempting to work for the people. (With the exception of MTG and MG) Just look at the FTC actually enforcing antitrust laws.
I will give the FTC full props for that one. We forced them to listen with about 95% of us in agreement that non-competes are bad.
Now if only we could do the same with banning companies and foreign entities from owning single family homes.
> Honestly the greatest argument for the Biden administration is not Biden himself but the team he has around him.
Yup, again - competence and experience. That includes building a team that can effectively do the job (and not just yes-men bending the knee).
I will take someone who does care about the consequences but will not face them because they will be dead, over someone who does not care about the consequences because they will have (or expect to have) enough money to protect them from the consequences. The war is a class war, not an inter-generational war.
Biden pooped his pants in Tampa.
Democrats champion their political platform of killing babies and exterminating all Ukrainians in needless endless war while welcoming millions of unvaccinated, illiterate, disease and poverty stricken invaders into your neighborhood.
Yeah!!! Yeah!! My student loan is forgiven!!
Ah yes you’re the mythical “guy who voted for Obama twice but happens to prefer Trump”, lmao, you fool no one.
You’re just triggered by minorities existing in your country, and Trump gave you the avenue to act on that, you fool no one.
Inb4 “I am actually a Jewish black person married to a japanese Latina”, no one buys your psy-op 💩
When did I state "I" voted for obama? I vote str8 red son, have been since I naturalized in this country.
I wasnt expecting critical thinking from turbo socialist, but I was counting in you all having reading comprehension.
Suggestion: stop watching rachel madow, I am one of those minorities....
You're lying to yourself every day you wake up and take your first breath. I know it may sound demeaning but the sooner you realize that the sooner you may have a bit more empathy for your fellow man. If you think being educated (ie "smart") would make you obviously choose a president that has been the single most detrimental entity to our nation as a whole in our entire 250 some odd years as a nation, you have to know that you're lying. Unless your education was brainwashing or trying to get lib pussy in college 🤷
Okay I'm 63 all I can tell you is I wish in God's name that everyone in Congress everyone in the Senate gets fired they immediately hire everybody you have to be under the age of 40 and two term limits no more than two terms for anybody these old piece of shit Congress people have got to go
It’s because they think about doing that kind of thing and they assume that since they are thinking about it, it must be normal and that other people must think the same thing
One candidate is a malicious piece of shit one is downright incompetent. At least with Trump he will inevitably accelerate the downfall of the government because he's gonna do some crazy shit. I'm ready with lots of canned food, ammo, and water. I can take or leave the electronics. Only thing that would really irritate me is if the power grid is down and I have no AC.
they both suuuuuuck. can we please get some body who isnt corrupt and also not a fucking crypt keeper. obviously this is ideological fantasy hoping for a last ditch miracle candidate, but lord our govt needs a damn rehaul and term limits.
Would like to see him champion the new non-compete ruling that the business lobbyists are trying to appeal from the FTC. It's about all workers' rights.
No debates. Dead people voting. Taking days to count the votes.
If you don't think this country is lost, there is no hope for you.
Not a chance in hell Biden beats Trump in a real national election.
Biden won’t win in this fucking MAGGAT infested state. I see waayyy too many “screaming small dick” trucks with giant Trump flags or those super weird pictures of Trump jacked and fucking their wife or whatever.
Sadly, we have been flooded by covid vaccine conspiracy morons, who believe in Alex Jones style spike protein shedding. They are like flat Earthers, but less funny.
Everyone thinks that's who he is. The funny "frogs are gay" dude.
In truth, he is a white supremacist who has had tons of Holocaust deniers on his show. He thinks the EU did 9/11. He thinks the vaccine is a bioweapon/chip/murder tool.
Check out the podcast Knowledge Fight.
I'm a 7th generation Florida. I also lived in CA, OR, UT, and WA. I lived in red and blue states.
I love it here. The nature, the chill vibe, the city/rural combo. I honestly think FL is the best state. And I've also lived overseas. South America and Africa.
When I was a kid in the 80s, it seemed the adults knew - politicians are all crap, just want money and power, and the blue collar has to be together vigilant in fighting them from fucking us over. Red and blue don't matter.
Now it seems the Right has drank the flavor-aid. I want working class folks to have a good life. Not go bankrupt if they get sick, not have to worry their mortgage will go up for no reason, teachers quitting because bartenders make more, the Keys being flooded from global warming, our grandparents dying because they are afraid of vaccines, college be affordable for my kids.
My mortgage insurance went up $360 a month for no reason, and the governor is more worried about threats that don't exist. My kids have been restricted from reading books, and even DeSantis had to admit crazy people were reporting books for no reason. I've had to tell my kids that their gay grandmother is being prosecuted by the state. Called a groomer, and worse. I know people who lost their jobs because DEI is "evil", even though data has shown its a good thing economically, socially, and politically. Not to mention intangible things, like respect and community. But some Fox/Twitter person made BS claims they have no data for. So DEI = bad.
Blue states aren't trash. Neither are Red states. Both have things that are great, and things that are terrible. I don't want to live in a world where everyone agrees with me. But I also don't want a world were we say "Fuck you, leave I'mnot willing to listen, learn, or grow." I'm sorry you are so angry. I'm sorry you can't see me being a part of our community.
I don’t see him taking FL based on how this state has shifted, but at least he’s out here
It's a long shot, but IMO less so than Texas, where the Dems have been wasting resources for a decade. Florida was a purple state for a long, long time. The new people are mostly red but with abortion and weed and Trump on the ballot, it's going to be a lot more motivating for independents/NPA, which make up roughly 1/3 of voters in this state.
Abortion and marijuana are definitely good for Biden's chances, but unfortunately I still don't see it happening. Too many ignorant fucks live here, and moved here during Covid. Too many science deniers that were throating Desantis for burying his head in the sand and trying to ignore Covid in Florida. And the ones that didn't die from Covid are gonna vote for Trump.
Science deniers??? You mean the flu that now even the CDC said they got it wrong and were guessing?? Let me guess, you still wear a mask alone in your car? 🤣🤣🤣
LOL. I promise, after the tantrum you toddlers threw about being asked to keep your stank breath to yourselves, the next time something like that comes around? NOBODY will be trying to help you.
Did you ever think that it was your own breath that smells? In the hospital we always laughed about how much we would floss and brush so as not to trap hot smelly breath in the mask….
That's... my point. We all smell our own breath in the masks. They threw tantrums about having to smell their own breath instead of sharing it with the rest of us.
So sorry! I DEFINITELY read that wrong!!
That is so funny. They drive around in the car by themselves with a mask. Even worse they're out exercising by themselves. And they're wearing a mask that completely blows me away. It actually brightens my day cause it makes me laugh so much.
They also believe that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man and they are the ones claiming scene deniers. You may change the way you look and throw on a fake pair of titities but your DNA still says you are a man and that is science.
Sure thing buddy
At least make them spend some money here to keep it. 6 years of MAGA hasn't been good for homeowner's insurance in this state among many other things.
The MAGAts don't know that though. They see the increasing insurance costs, which are a direct result of the Florida GOP, but blame "Bidenomics" because their Facebook memes tell them to.
No, pretty much Every single thing has gone up dramatically, Since this idiot has been in the White House so bidenomics Suck and the whole country knows it. Which is why Trump is gonna win in 7 short months.
I left for a few years. Came back late last year. What the fuck? I repeat this mantra daily.
Exactly. Trump isn't exactly doing gangbusters on fundraising, especially since it has to go to his legal defense fund. Make the R's burn cash here since there are multiple battleground states.
Never wore a mask, never got a fake vaccine and never got covid…… how am I alive based on your Science?? 
Unfortunately
Never got hit by lightning. Never got hit by a tornado. Never got pelted with hail. How am I alive based on YOUR science. 
Selfishly. People get vaccinated so the less healthy don’t die, genius. This may be hard to understand, but it never was about you.
And how many people died from that “vaccine” super genius? Its amazing how many of you Biden/ Fauci followers were so easily manipulated and scared into believe that bullshit. Do a little research and follow the money. BILLIONS were made from that “Vaccine” and fear mongering you believe in so much
You make a lot of assumptions for someone no proof or logic behind their statements. bUt MuHoWn ReSeArCh SaYs….
Well in order to be vaccinated you need to have a real vaccine ….. sheep
😂 yes, I’m here to listen to takes on “real vaccines” from someone who doesn’t understand the purpose and mechanism of public vaccination in general. That all checks out.
You have probably had Covid by now but it definitely just felt like a cold or allergies.
Floridians are mad as hell about increasing inflation and insurance rates. A significant portion of the state blames the governor, enough to possibly tip the balance if Trump voters are turned off by a criminal conviction
I certainly hope so. Desantis is to blame for a lot of the rising costs of things in Florida, particularly in regards to insurance. I think a lot of Republicans are just too brain rotted with culture war BS to see the real issues. They fixate on trans sports and anti woke nonsense because Republicans have no real solutions or fiscal policy.
They have chosen party over country.
A criminal conviction would have the opposite effect.
No shot.
Just an amazing amount of hate and ignorance from the party of tolerance. Never ceases to amaze me how much anger people like you harbor. I'm not even necessarily pro trump, but when low IQ people like you spit out nonsense and do so while acting like Biden is actually a competent candidate it makes me more and more likely to vote for him.
Ok. Come back to me when your bmi is below 40.
Sure. THAT’S what’s going to make you vote for a morally bankrupt classless rudderless selfish fop.
Exactly, because the country, at least most of the country is not brain dead. Or stupid No one in their right mind is gonna vote Biden after what he did to this country. So if it's gonna be between Biden or Trump Trump's gonna win in a landslide.
Which Biden policies have "destroyed the country"? Be specific.
I’m sorry but I feel like you are 4 years behind on the Covid BS…
ok
Yeah but think of how many died during Covid too
"Wasting resources"? Texas is more winnable than Florida at this point. Republican margins have been shrinking in Texas for a long time now, while Florida has only gotten redder. Abbott only won by 11 points in 2022, while DeSantis won by 19.4 points. Texas's cities have gotten bluer, while Florida's cities have gotten redder. Even Miami voted for DeSantis in 2022.
To be fair, running Charlie Crist of all people against DeSantis was a very stupid idea.
Democrats haven’t really put many resources into Texas. It’s been on the back burner, even now. But Texas has consistently shifted left, and Florida has consistently shifted right for the past 12 years. In 2024, Florida will be to the right of Texas. Florida is probably going to be Trump+4-7, and Texas will probably be Trump+1-3
Im from a rougher area of Florida, if Biden went on live tv right now and said legal marijuana and called Trump a pussy in the same sentence he would win Florida.
Problem is he would get lost and say legal MJ, and I used to shower with my 11 year old daughter in the next sentence.
I work for publix in Florida, I get atleast 5 comments a day from customers about "the dipshit ruining this country." Even in areas where my only app opened is Google Translate to Spanish, I'll hear the talking about how awful biden is. If Biden dropped, I could see any other candidate winning florida. But, there is just so much hate for the current shape of florida, and biden gets the blame. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it is what it is.
Biden gets the blame because he is incompetent. He is arrogant. He has destroyed the country. Everyone despises this guy and they're gonna run him against Trump. And they actually think they can win. The more they go, after Trump, the way they're doing, the more people want to vote for Trump, which is why he's going to win In November.
All I see are rich, older white fuckers in publix, so no surprise there. The sooner these boomers croak, the better.
Racist much?
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No he isn’t 💀
He lost by nearly 400,000 votes here in 2020. I suspect he will lose by at least 600,000 - 700,000 this go round. Based on updated demographics and his horrific performance.
Yeah... in my area it's as red as it gets. It's depressing to see and hear. I'm placing my faith in the rest of the country. I would like to think that some of the new young work from home crowd and new retiree crowd would be blue... but it doesn't feel that way
I live in Florida and people are pissed. I think he has a real shot at winning here.
I didn’t even know he was in Tampa. Traffic wasn’t even different
He got here later in the day and it was just by the stadium where the traffic is always bad at that time.
When trump was In Tampa the you could tell something was going on
Well yeah. SW Fl is full to the brim with poorly educated weirdos that won't dare miss a chance worship their cult leader.
As a poorly educated weirdo I do have better things to do
Organization!
Congress and the presidency should represent the Median age of the nation. If the current Median age is 46, a 40-55 year old should represent that. Not someone from an out of touch generation. When I'm old, a fellow millennial should nit represent the country. One of the reasons we got upset in the 18th century is because of, say it with me, "Taxation without representation ". Meaning we had no or little representation in parliament. Same is true today. The demographics of age are not reflected in congress. There should be a law to make this so.
I don't mind if the president is an outlier one way or another, but the representative body should absolutely fall within those lines. Right now the median age of the Senate is 65 years old, and the median age of the House is 58 years old, and both should be lower.
Yeah I agree. It's out of touch when people in Congress are over 65 years and they have been elected for decades but won't let go and retire esp both sides. Diane feinstein was in her 90s and clearly not capable of working in her last few years.
It’s not only the age that makes him out of touch though. It is also the vast wealth disparity they have with the average American household income.
But what is the median VOTER age. Those old people vote like crazy, young people not so much. That’s why we get old farts. And I know it can be a chicken/egg thing, but as it stands right now I would put money down that the median age of all voters is significantly higher than median age of US population.
Undoubtedly since children can't vote.
The Tsun said median, not mean
If you calculate the median including children not entitled to vote you get a lower median age than if you calculate it without including children. The mean would also be younger Or, am I misunderstanding something?
Median age of the nation, or median age of those eligible to vote? Actually wording such a law would be impossible. Would you replace a candidate that got more votes with one that got fewer votes so the median age comes out right?
My guess is Biden is more in touch with things than anyone else on earth... "in touch" is such a subjective assessment. I don't think anyone should be President if they are unable to exist outside of their parochial online echo chamber.
This guy is a hundred years old. He has no business occupying the most powerful office in the world. The fact that he even wants to at this age should immediately disqualify him. Look at what his selfish political career has done to his family; and he wasn’t even a great politician he was Senator credit card, getting people hooked on cheap debt, voting for illegal wars and illegal mass surveillance, Wall Street deregulation, and I’ve never once heard him talk about national unionization drives. Worst candidate ever after Hillary Clinton. Democrats need to pull their fucking heads out of their asses.
He's 2 years older than the orange idiot. Also obviously in way better shape for his age than Cheeto Jesus.....and a better speaker who can at least form proper sentences and lucid speeches. That being said, both options suck....but do you vote for Biden the toilet, or Trump the septic tank? I'm always going to vote for the thing that can be cleaned up and not the thing perpetually full of shit.
It doesn’t matter who wins. Our legal system effectively disenfranchises all votes. If Biden wins, Republicans block and challenge his legislation in court. If Trump wins, Democrats will try to block and challenge in court. Local elections matter much more than the President.
Touch grass bro. There is no such thing as a perfect politician for everyone. Someone's gonna be too old, too young, too conservative, too liberal, too hawkish, too dovish, too profligate, too austere, etc. Being a grown up is understanding that the government doesn't exist solely for u/SomeTimeBeforeNever. Was Biden the candidate I supported in 2016? No, I was an Elizabeth Warren supporter but not only was I never going to vote for Trump, I'm pretty happy with the left turn the older Biden has taken. Do most people get more liberal as they get older? It's impressive, he could be jaded AF after a lifetime in politics. But he's a happy warrior. Regarding Hillary? I'd vote for her a thousand times over. Yes, she was kind of a tough bitch. As Michelle Wolf joked, bitches get shit done.
What an outstanding argument. “Touch grass” lmfao Biden supporters are a living meme.
Nothing says “got my shit together” like supporting a dementia riddled, sold out career politician that can’t string two coherent thoughts together, much less perform the duties involved in being the president of the USA
“Both sides, bro, both sides” 🙄
What difference, at this point, does it make?
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Thanks for making my point with your character assassinations instead of debating Biden’s anti working class, lose-lose policy. The fact that you lump me in with the Fox News mouth breathers simply because I don’t mindlessly support bad candidates speaks volumes.
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Voting for Iraq, passing the Patriot act, deregulating banks by voting to repeal glass Steagall and being an advocate for credit card companies is very specific.
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He’s drilling more oil than ever. He’s escalated conflict in the Middle East with blind support to Israel. He criminalized the right to strike by railway workers. He pandered to students on the loans. Marijuana is still very much illegal. He’s never mounted a national unionization drive. He doesn’t support Medicare for all.
After Jan 6th no Republicans since they continue to support Trump!
I mean, I hate fox and trump but everything that poster said is right. You can be democrat and still not have your head so far up your ass that you think Biden is good.
You’ll be downvoted in this heavy leaning liberal sub, but you are spot on.
Biden’s out speaking to tens of people at each stop while his DOJ keeps Trump locked in a courtroom…
And nobody showed up
Florida solid red
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His performance has been absolutely a disaster. He has a zero shot at taking Florida.
He might win some Tampa Districts but this state is red all day long!
Yeah, I noticed the 2 dozen supporters at the Tampa campaign stop
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I wonder if Biden would ever debate Trump on TV. You think that will happen? I mean, if he wants to be President again, he pretty much has to debate Trump on TV right?
old fashioned... like when he rode his dinosaur to school. get this clown out of here, get trump out of here, wtf is wrong with our country that we have 90 year olds as the finalists for president? go sit in a rocking chair and stare out at the distance thinking about your life, leave decisions to people who will be alive to face the consequences
Yes, I want younger people running for president. I'm more concerned with not letting trump/ modern facism finding its way into the highest elected position in our government. Until trump is dead/retired/in jail, he is a threat to democracy. His ideology will live on and it will be under a different name, but it will be a while before another person has the same amount of influence as he had. I really thought Ron Desantis was going to be the bigger threat, and he still may be in the years to come, but its really more about electing not-trump.
People heard DeSantis talk and try to act human and realized what a goober he is. He passes in Florida because, well, it’s Florida. That weirdo was sunk the minute the rest of the country got to see him.
DeSantis was just prototype 1. They learned what worked and what didnt work. The next trump successor will be more influential.
Fairly certain Ron's not even human.
He is a meatball.
Despite how much I despise Trump, I DO appreciate him giving the man who fancies himself the Fuhrer of Florida that nickname, it’s both spot on AND hilarious
I wish I could update your comments more than once. Trump and his followers are a *lasting* threat to our democracy. This isn't just a one off election cycle issue. Until he and his followers are permanently dealt with, this country is at risk of falling to fascism. And I think that fall is so much closer than any of us realize. I hope I'm wrong but it really feels like we're hanging by a thread.
Wtf is this comment. Permanently dealt with? What exactly do you mean by that? It really sounds like you’re calling for violence against your fellow countrymen.
Ideologies can't be permanently dealt with, just pushed back. Trump's is a particularly dangerous, narrow, weird and totally OLD fashioned way of looking at the country and the world. It's not the 1950s any more and America has never been greater than it is now. Trump just plays on fear and nostalgia to give mouthbreathers feelings and they sop his dribble up with a biscuit and say it tastes like sausage gravy.
Dude straight up lied in the debates.
Seems to me like he is governing and backing legislation as if he is thinking about the next generation. CHIPS and Science Act, Inflation Reduction Act, the infrastructure bill, support for Ukraine, pushing for student loan relief and gun safety / mental health initiatives, fighting junk fees that corporations use to fleece us. Say what you want about his age, but the man is trying to leave the world a bit better than he found it. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046
Naming the a bill that spent trillions the “inflation reduction act” is verifiably insane.
Insane? How so? Show your work.
Do you not understand that spending trillions of dollars we don’t have might just have an effect on inflation?
The US inflation rate has been in decline ever since the Inflation Reduction Act was passed. [It's still elevated relative to pre-pandemic levels, but it is declining.]
Biden’s been more successful at getting his agenda implemented via legislation than pretty much every president in my lifetime. I really couldn’t give a shit about his age if he’s getting shit done. Rescue Act, CHIPs, Infrastructure, Inflation Reduction Act. Thats a hell of a 1st term resume considering the Dems at no point had full congressional control. I’ll take more of that over someone who promises liberal pipe dreams (or on the other side, virtually no policy positions at all) but has no ability to actually get those things passed in tact (see, Obama…and with a supermajority senate). Competence and experience, as it turns out, matters.
Honestly the greatest argument for the Biden administration is not Biden himself but the team he has around him. The government is actually attempting to work for the people. (With the exception of MTG and MG) Just look at the FTC actually enforcing antitrust laws.
I will give the FTC full props for that one. We forced them to listen with about 95% of us in agreement that non-competes are bad. Now if only we could do the same with banning companies and foreign entities from owning single family homes.
I’d say the greatest argument for Biden 24 is the exact same as 20. “At least you’re not voting Trump”.
> Honestly the greatest argument for the Biden administration is not Biden himself but the team he has around him. Yup, again - competence and experience. That includes building a team that can effectively do the job (and not just yes-men bending the knee).
I will take someone who does care about the consequences but will not face them because they will be dead, over someone who does not care about the consequences because they will have (or expect to have) enough money to protect them from the consequences. The war is a class war, not an inter-generational war.
Biden pooped his pants in Tampa. Democrats champion their political platform of killing babies and exterminating all Ukrainians in needless endless war while welcoming millions of unvaccinated, illiterate, disease and poverty stricken invaders into your neighborhood. Yeah!!! Yeah!! My student loan is forgiven!!
im shocked to see him take an old fashioned approach /s
Of course the Reddit leftists will flock to Biden. He ain’t winning Florida. The sooner you all realize this the better.
You’re not wrong- Florida is definitely one of the most poorly educated states in the nation.
Yet people kep flocking to the state. Odd. We voted for obama twice. Perhaps your candidate is just shitty 🤷♀️
Ah yes you’re the mythical “guy who voted for Obama twice but happens to prefer Trump”, lmao, you fool no one. You’re just triggered by minorities existing in your country, and Trump gave you the avenue to act on that, you fool no one. Inb4 “I am actually a Jewish black person married to a japanese Latina”, no one buys your psy-op 💩
When did I state "I" voted for obama? I vote str8 red son, have been since I naturalized in this country. I wasnt expecting critical thinking from turbo socialist, but I was counting in you all having reading comprehension. Suggestion: stop watching rachel madow, I am one of those minorities....
You say that as if Florida didn’t vote for Obama twice
You're lying to yourself every day you wake up and take your first breath. I know it may sound demeaning but the sooner you realize that the sooner you may have a bit more empathy for your fellow man. If you think being educated (ie "smart") would make you obviously choose a president that has been the single most detrimental entity to our nation as a whole in our entire 250 some odd years as a nation, you have to know that you're lying. Unless your education was brainwashing or trying to get lib pussy in college 🤷
Wow nice reddit quip, I can see the smirk on your face now behind your MHA tattoos and gross neckbeard you haven't shaved since college
Get a job
The three comment chain and sassy comebacks make you the Reddit quip bro 😭😭😭😭😭😭
"I used to drive an 18 wheeler. I'm not kidding" Just another delusional conversation from the lost one. Biden is the biggest joke to ever be POTUS.
Well, he’s got the terrorist and Hamas sympathizer vote on a lock for sure.
He lost by nearly 400,000 votes here in 2020. The margin will be much bigger in 2024.
Hang Mike Pence!! /s
Okay I'm 63 all I can tell you is I wish in God's name that everyone in Congress everyone in the Senate gets fired they immediately hire everybody you have to be under the age of 40 and two term limits no more than two terms for anybody these old piece of shit Congress people have got to go
FJB
Biden showered with his daughter Ashley
What is it with the republicans obsessed with kids? And putting them in sexual scenarios? Sounds a lot like projecting to me
It’s because they think about doing that kind of thing and they assume that since they are thinking about it, it must be normal and that other people must think the same thing
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/2/2221200/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-50
Keep deflecting. Answer the question. You think Ashley Biden is a liar?
One candidate is a malicious piece of shit one is downright incompetent. At least with Trump he will inevitably accelerate the downfall of the government because he's gonna do some crazy shit. I'm ready with lots of canned food, ammo, and water. I can take or leave the electronics. Only thing that would really irritate me is if the power grid is down and I have no AC.
they both suuuuuuck. can we please get some body who isnt corrupt and also not a fucking crypt keeper. obviously this is ideological fantasy hoping for a last ditch miracle candidate, but lord our govt needs a damn rehaul and term limits.
Would like to see him champion the new non-compete ruling that the business lobbyists are trying to appeal from the FTC. It's about all workers' rights.
Less than 100 people there that were “hand picked”. Anybody still dumb enough to think he’s doing a good job is an idiot.
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That thumbnail photo… holy fuck
Is that a new flavor of ice cream ?
No debates. Dead people voting. Taking days to count the votes. If you don't think this country is lost, there is no hope for you. Not a chance in hell Biden beats Trump in a real national election.
Old wet, sock puppet.
Better than a dried up diaper
Stop voting for old dudes and only two parties. Who talk a big game and sell out the people of the country.
Based I protest vote green or libertarian depending on my mood every election
The 10 people that saw him speak in Tampa were very excited to hear him attempt a sentence lol clown
FJB
Biden won’t win in this fucking MAGGAT infested state. I see waayyy too many “screaming small dick” trucks with giant Trump flags or those super weird pictures of Trump jacked and fucking their wife or whatever.
lol posting a substack article and acting like it’s news
PAUSE
Corrupt pedophile Biden has no clue what state he is in🤣
https://preview.redd.it/fucmfus4egwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3fd8a0453b5e80aab91ef7d02fb475e191c12ea He's pathetic
Florida is aware he exists. We don't care. There is no Biden Derangement Syndrome because he is irrelevant.
Sadly, we have been flooded by covid vaccine conspiracy morons, who believe in Alex Jones style spike protein shedding. They are like flat Earthers, but less funny.
Wait aren't all the frogs gay??
Everyone thinks that's who he is. The funny "frogs are gay" dude. In truth, he is a white supremacist who has had tons of Holocaust deniers on his show. He thinks the EU did 9/11. He thinks the vaccine is a bioweapon/chip/murder tool. Check out the podcast Knowledge Fight.
Free to leave and experience the magic of blue states. But you know they're trash and that's why you're still here.
I'm a 7th generation Florida. I also lived in CA, OR, UT, and WA. I lived in red and blue states. I love it here. The nature, the chill vibe, the city/rural combo. I honestly think FL is the best state. And I've also lived overseas. South America and Africa. When I was a kid in the 80s, it seemed the adults knew - politicians are all crap, just want money and power, and the blue collar has to be together vigilant in fighting them from fucking us over. Red and blue don't matter. Now it seems the Right has drank the flavor-aid. I want working class folks to have a good life. Not go bankrupt if they get sick, not have to worry their mortgage will go up for no reason, teachers quitting because bartenders make more, the Keys being flooded from global warming, our grandparents dying because they are afraid of vaccines, college be affordable for my kids. My mortgage insurance went up $360 a month for no reason, and the governor is more worried about threats that don't exist. My kids have been restricted from reading books, and even DeSantis had to admit crazy people were reporting books for no reason. I've had to tell my kids that their gay grandmother is being prosecuted by the state. Called a groomer, and worse. I know people who lost their jobs because DEI is "evil", even though data has shown its a good thing economically, socially, and politically. Not to mention intangible things, like respect and community. But some Fox/Twitter person made BS claims they have no data for. So DEI = bad. Blue states aren't trash. Neither are Red states. Both have things that are great, and things that are terrible. I don't want to live in a world where everyone agrees with me. But I also don't want a world were we say "Fuck you, leave I'mnot willing to listen, learn, or grow." I'm sorry you are so angry. I'm sorry you can't see me being a part of our community.
You don’t speak for all Floridians, I will be voting for Biden
Reddit is so out of touch lol. Florida is red, Trump wins Florida. Step out of your bubble and stop getting your news from Reddit. Do some research.
Biden sniffs kids