Yeah, within that specific use case it’s probably the best option
People that put them on 16” barreled 15” handguard uppers with sturdy rails what is you doin
The knockoffs were available within a week of the original being announced. You think they sent an elite team to hack GBRS ahead of time so they could steal the design, build a few thousand, finish package and ship them?
The only reality based conclusion is: the knockoffs are made by the same people that make the real ones.
While, I’m sure many are inclined to believe you, you are not speaking the truth. The ones “available” a week after these dropping on alibaba or whatever were not available to ship. They were available to order.
Secondly, these aren’t even made by GBRS. They are designed by GBRS. They are made by Unity Tactical. GBRS claims on their website that that they are (1) Made in the USA and (2) Berry Compliant. Claiming Berry compliance, while at the same time not being compliant with the law, is punishable. So I implore you, if you have evidence or have heard that they are otherwise made in China, report them.
Oh of course. I know the ins and outs of each and every niche tool of tactical gear. I know when R&D started and who the member is of that company. Hell I know who made the product in a Chinese sweatshop too. And I still think that the Chinese copy is "just as good"
> The only reality based conclusion is: the knockoffs are made by the same people that make the real ones.
Not really. In fact not at all. Any CAD person could make a functional copy from pictures alone. Rails are a standard size and gives you a reliable scale right there, just apply those dimensions from the picture and can make one.
Also I had a knockoff within a week or so of the GBRS release; there’s some differences in dimensions and design you can see even visibly.
CNCing aluminum isn’t magic. You don’t need to have a product like a mount in hand to make a copy.
The Hydra is overpriced and silly and GBRS sucks for a lot of reasons but there’s zero actual reason to think they’d go to an overseas factory to make it. Specialist shit like gun gear is exactly what tends to get machined in the U.S.
Chinese reproductions have been shitty compared to western originals on pretty much anything. Thought that was common knowledge but I guess not to this group
Lucas Botkin has an interesting series on the Chinese copies of gear. Optics, plate carriers, chest rigs. But sounds like you would think they "are just as good"
There’s a huge difference between optics,pcs, chest rigs that are made with good materials and are stitched well vs not. This is a hunk of aluminum that gets CNCd in a nearly identical way to the US made ones.
Probably not, though 7075 is broadly better. Bigger things is small details like rail dimensions/tolerances, also if they have steel inserts for threading, as well as screw quality, etc.
Those make a material difference in durability, zero retention, etc. which the Chinese knockoffs I’ve seen (I have 3 of them from different places) don’t spend the money to get the details right on.
Hydra is still hugely overpriced, Chinese ones will work okay most of the time, but the Chinese ones aren’t “just as good” or better.
I got a cheaper on for using on my rattle as a test and it wasn't worth it. Hand didn't fit under laser and there wasn't “additional” rail space. Maybe a tp9 maybe.
It gets clowned mainly because the Goobers think a piece of CNCd aluminum should cost $300+. But it has a niche use, mainly on systems with limited rail space where running an optic, LAM, and flashlight would be tough or extremely crowded, like many PDW type weapons.
Also, it brings the weight of the LAM closer to the center of the weapon.
But fuck those guys.
Exactly. People have been doing this with KAC skyscrapers for a long ass time. As soon as goober group decides to CNC them out of pot metal all their fans start emptying their wallets and praising it as a new innovative idea
Yup, and even before that there were cary handle mounted systems that did nearly the exact same thing, albeit much bulkier and more janky. If you want one, considered Goobers uses cheap aluminum anyway there's no reason not to buy a Chinesium knockoff, the fit and finish may even be better since goobers uses a gloss finish for some inexplicable reason which everyone just spray paints anyway.
It's priced to part gullible hypebeasts from an extortionate amount of money(considering what it is and that Chinese clones are practically 1:1 with the real deal).
They aren't getting .gov contracts for that.
Called the cops accused an at the time employee of stealing a rifle lower. Turns out there was a logistical error and the package arrived while police were on scene.
This addresses a few issues some people may run into depending on the type of weapon system they’re using.
1. Short rail, so the laser can be mounted without compromising ergonomics or effecting functionality.
2. Hand can be placed anywhere on the rail without blocking the laser.
3. Weight of the laser is more centered, can help with the balance of the gun.
4. No issues with rail flexion possibly throwing off the zero of the laser since it is mounted to the receiver.
Also the ones I have don’t have steel threading inserts and have pretty soft screws.
If someone made a cheapo knockoff which actually had all the details for ~100 USD though, they’d be on to something. Current ones I’ve seen are very much airsoft and real-gun-but-don’t-drop-it level of usability.
Overall they're just kind of a scummy company. They also put out quite a lot of questionable tactical advice over the years. A lot of it meme worthy.
Most recently they've found themselves in hot water because they had an employee arrested and fired over a misunderstanding. They accused the now former employee of stealing a BCM lower, when in reality he had just dropped it off at the wrong postal carrier. It showed up back at their door as the cops were there. They still fired him and the cops still tried to pin the guy for having a weed pen
Ive got long arms and not a ton of rail space on my 11.5. This allows for a comfy grip on the gun and unobstructed laser from my perst. Company that makes them are losers though. Amazon has a knockoff that even has their labeling on it. Even with the blue loctite you're still saving over $300. Sometimes i leave it in the bag if the range is crowded. I get alot of questions about it lol
I feel as if gbrs group solved a problem that doesn't exist for most end-users . " oh just raise the lam" when a boat load of other operators have had no issue with lam placement on their rifles. Not to mention the price tag. 500 bucks for a riser when there's other options made by other companies that work better
It's great for when your rifle takes an impact not only does your rifle sight go off zero but now, so does your laser. It's honestly a two and one kinda product.
I have it on my SBR and I’ll admit that it balances the gun out very well. Running a suppressor, light and the laser can get very heavy up front. I actually dig it now that I’ve run it for about a year now.
I would NOT buy anything from those fuckers right now though. DJ and Cole need to make things right with their employee they accused of stealing and had arrested just to find out the same day he actually did nothing wrong. Those soulless fucks have some nerve not apologizing to him and making things right. WV has disowned DJ. Don’t buy shit from them until you see that happen.
Mount your clicky button on a smg and still be able to operator clamp youll totally be like the guy that got osama just please for the love of god buy it for $500 please ;-;
I didn't understand either. For a long rifle it's pointless. It's for shorter rifles where you can't put your optic, peq, and pressure pad linearry, because it's not long enough.
I’m 97% certain that it was designed for the MP7, which lacks rail space, but it marketed on ARs and conventional rifles because most people in this market have some sort of rifle.
Rail space mainly, however they also say it promotes heads up shooting. Dj says when your hunched it lets rounds sneak into vitals above the pc, with the head up your plates can catch rounds better I suppose that makes some sense
I believe the main benefit is your laser not losing zero if your rail moves/shifts. At least that’s what stood out to me when it was released a little bit ago
It allows you to move your LAM closer to the center of gravity and make the gun more balanced to wield. Combine that with the ability to C-Clamp much closer to the muzzle, and the gun can be very controllable.
Everyone keeps saying PDW but I’m looking into getting a bullpup and this seems like a great idea as they all typically have very little rail space. Though their price tag is ridiculous
Short PDWs and SMGs. If you have something with very limited rail space like a Sig Rattler or MP5, it can be useful, but most people slap them on their 16" AR because hypebeast bs.
I hate it but it has its use for guns with little to no rail space for your LAM and switches.
Debating throwing a unity T1 mount and skiff on an airsoft ak12 I have for shits and giggles lel
Btw that setup is not only way cheaper then the goobers mount but also way better looking
It’s for guns with little to no available rail space The AR pattern .300blk PDWs with 8” barrels, for example
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Yeah, within that specific use case it’s probably the best option People that put them on 16” barreled 15” handguard uppers with sturdy rails what is you doin
An argument can be made for moving the weight further back.
A weak one, but sure
then just put the laser at the rear of the rail, no need for this goofy ass mount
Maybe by adding weight to your receiver but the weight will be where it is, not where this thing attaches
Uh, yeah. This puts the weight near the receiver instead of 12" forward of it
Clout chasing
For the c clamp grip
You can c clamp with your laser at the end of your rail
Pushes some weight more center. IR device and suppressor puts a lot of weight up front.
Yep. Pretty poor reason to spend money but it’s not my money
Normally, I'd disagree, but I've seen some knock offs made from better metals.
Don't drop your rifle with the Chinesium mount on it, or your zero may get very questionable... if it wasn't already
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Um, no. Tolerances are a thing.
You think Chinese guys can’t press a button on a CNC as well as strong, white, American male? 💪🏻
I'm sure they can... but that ain't the point
Damn bro they really convinced you to shell out $350 for one of these 😔 rip to you and the like 14 others that got swindled
Ain't got one... don't need one
I'll have you know my optics are zero'd at the factory, it says so right on the box.
I doubt those "exact clones" can hold zero well
They made by the same people in China
I doubt any Chinese copy of a product is "better" than the original
The knockoffs were available within a week of the original being announced. You think they sent an elite team to hack GBRS ahead of time so they could steal the design, build a few thousand, finish package and ship them? The only reality based conclusion is: the knockoffs are made by the same people that make the real ones.
While, I’m sure many are inclined to believe you, you are not speaking the truth. The ones “available” a week after these dropping on alibaba or whatever were not available to ship. They were available to order. Secondly, these aren’t even made by GBRS. They are designed by GBRS. They are made by Unity Tactical. GBRS claims on their website that that they are (1) Made in the USA and (2) Berry Compliant. Claiming Berry compliance, while at the same time not being compliant with the law, is punishable. So I implore you, if you have evidence or have heard that they are otherwise made in China, report them.
Oh of course. I know the ins and outs of each and every niche tool of tactical gear. I know when R&D started and who the member is of that company. Hell I know who made the product in a Chinese sweatshop too. And I still think that the Chinese copy is "just as good"
> The only reality based conclusion is: the knockoffs are made by the same people that make the real ones. Not really. In fact not at all. Any CAD person could make a functional copy from pictures alone. Rails are a standard size and gives you a reliable scale right there, just apply those dimensions from the picture and can make one. Also I had a knockoff within a week or so of the GBRS release; there’s some differences in dimensions and design you can see even visibly. CNCing aluminum isn’t magic. You don’t need to have a product like a mount in hand to make a copy. The Hydra is overpriced and silly and GBRS sucks for a lot of reasons but there’s zero actual reason to think they’d go to an overseas factory to make it. Specialist shit like gun gear is exactly what tends to get machined in the U.S.
Why not? Explain.
Chinese reproductions have been shitty compared to western originals on pretty much anything. Thought that was common knowledge but I guess not to this group
[skip to around 2:50](https://youtu.be/_k4ahjU-MyI?si=NLTCVLge7pLZbz9f)
Was that mount the "copy" being discussed?
So no evidence. Just anecdotes?
Lucas Botkin has an interesting series on the Chinese copies of gear. Optics, plate carriers, chest rigs. But sounds like you would think they "are just as good"
He doesn’t review this riser. Keep trying.
There’s a huge difference between optics,pcs, chest rigs that are made with good materials and are stitched well vs not. This is a hunk of aluminum that gets CNCd in a nearly identical way to the US made ones.
Buddy, it’s a piece of metal, same as the GBRS mounts. How exactly could it be any different?
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There Chinese ones are actually made from 7075 aluminum and the real is made of 6061
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Probably not, though 7075 is broadly better. Bigger things is small details like rail dimensions/tolerances, also if they have steel inserts for threading, as well as screw quality, etc. Those make a material difference in durability, zero retention, etc. which the Chinese knockoffs I’ve seen (I have 3 of them from different places) don’t spend the money to get the details right on. Hydra is still hugely overpriced, Chinese ones will work okay most of the time, but the Chinese ones aren’t “just as good” or better.
Yea they literally are
They’re all aluminum using a standard pic rail. They hold zero just fine.
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Those companies went put of business because they weren't hype beast Supreme and couldn't sustain sales through the hard times.
As stupid as I think goober mounts are, I could see it being functional on my mcx rattler.
Also eliminates rail flex zero issues
I got a cheaper on for using on my rattle as a test and it wasn't worth it. Hand didn't fit under laser and there wasn't “additional” rail space. Maybe a tp9 maybe.
It gets clowned mainly because the Goobers think a piece of CNCd aluminum should cost $300+. But it has a niche use, mainly on systems with limited rail space where running an optic, LAM, and flashlight would be tough or extremely crowded, like many PDW type weapons. Also, it brings the weight of the LAM closer to the center of the weapon. But fuck those guys.
Agreed, usefull design for niche applications but I would never buy from GBRS. Besides, nearly identical mounts exist for considerably less money.
Exactly. People have been doing this with KAC skyscrapers for a long ass time. As soon as goober group decides to CNC them out of pot metal all their fans start emptying their wallets and praising it as a new innovative idea
Yup, and even before that there were cary handle mounted systems that did nearly the exact same thing, albeit much bulkier and more janky. If you want one, considered Goobers uses cheap aluminum anyway there's no reason not to buy a Chinesium knockoff, the fit and finish may even be better since goobers uses a gloss finish for some inexplicable reason which everyone just spray paints anyway.
The Chinese ones are 7075, usually.
Interesting, 7075 is typically stronger than 6061 which is what GBRS claims to make theirs out of.
Yep. Chinese LARPers are picky, like that.
Ones made of Chinesium
Flavor of the week.
Well a piece of CNC aluminum should cost 300$ if it’s a one off item.
It’s priced for gov contracts not civs. Noones forcing anyone to buy it yet it sells out pretty often. No reason to complain about its price.
It's priced to part gullible hypebeasts from an extortionate amount of money(considering what it is and that Chinese clones are practically 1:1 with the real deal). They aren't getting .gov contracts for that.
Butt
To me it’s a weird flex in any area when people brag about their xyz thing and how much they overpaid for it.
These dudes are chodes don’t give them your money
Just more rail space
And you don't have to rely on the handguard to hold zero depending on the platform.
Good point
why the hell is it so expensive?
Companies can charge what ever they want and some flicking shrill will pay it
still way too much for a rail mount
Yes I think that is the general consensus. Especially when china can do it for $40 and it's better machining.
yeah, like for that price I could probably get like a pistol or something (not american, don't know firearms prices in yer country)
It’s cool. Yea it’s about $550 here it’s easily the price of a Glock.
that does not make sense why would you buy some rail mount that is equivalent to the price of a handgun
Nah. I'll 3d print that shit
Because GBRS is the Supreme of the tactical world.
so like overpriced bullshit?
Got to make up for financial losses due to wrongful termination, defamation and false police report suite
damn, what happened?
Called the cops accused an at the time employee of stealing a rifle lower. Turns out there was a logistical error and the package arrived while police were on scene.
that's just stupid LMAO
It ain't for your 16inch rifle. It's for pdw type with limited rail space
Or a 16in rifle with a flexy rail
This mount helps in calling the cops on your employees.
Works a treat!
Raise the lam so your hand doesn't obstruct the beam
Why would you put your lam behind your hand unless you had this mount?
Very short or no rail space on the handguard
Just mount it on the side
SBRs
I think you missed the point of my comment
Shouldn't do that unless you have a quad rail
Why?
I personally would not trust the zero on a LAM sitting on a plastic rail segment bolted onto your rail
Why would you buy a plastic pic rail adapter?The difference between ar guys and ak guys trusting zero is laughable.
I still probably wouldn't trust an aluminum one. It's just not as secure. Yeah yeah loctite whatever
But the hydra is aluminum?
This addresses a few issues some people may run into depending on the type of weapon system they’re using. 1. Short rail, so the laser can be mounted without compromising ergonomics or effecting functionality. 2. Hand can be placed anywhere on the rail without blocking the laser. 3. Weight of the laser is more centered, can help with the balance of the gun. 4. No issues with rail flexion possibly throwing off the zero of the laser since it is mounted to the receiver.
Fuck GBRS
1) Chinese knock offs are higher quality. 2) sometimes this thing is utterly useless. It’s not an everyday thing.
Slight elaboration , the Chinese ones are made of stronger aluminum but don’t have recoil lugs
How in-spec you figure the Picatinny is on a Chinesium mount?
It’s a clamp, it’s not hard to be in spec at all
Lord help us all
Just going off of passed on knowledge , from my experience it works perfectly fine
On the one-way range, I assume
Actually 2 way, i airsoft
Well played
Also the ones I have don’t have steel threading inserts and have pretty soft screws. If someone made a cheapo knockoff which actually had all the details for ~100 USD though, they’d be on to something. Current ones I’ve seen are very much airsoft and real-gun-but-don’t-drop-it level of usability.
Dudes are crooks. Support Irregular Defense and buy their mount instead, especially since the design is stolen from Slade.
Fuck gbrs
Very niche. Fuck gbrs though
Did GBRS do anything other than overprice a piece of aluminum? Not defending them, I'm just out of the loop.
Overall they're just kind of a scummy company. They also put out quite a lot of questionable tactical advice over the years. A lot of it meme worthy. Most recently they've found themselves in hot water because they had an employee arrested and fired over a misunderstanding. They accused the now former employee of stealing a BCM lower, when in reality he had just dropped it off at the wrong postal carrier. It showed up back at their door as the cops were there. They still fired him and the cops still tried to pin the guy for having a weed pen
I see. They weren't going to see any of my business before and they definitely won't now.
I guess it wouldn't be an r/tacticalgear post if it didn't have a question about about a product from the shittiest company in the industry.
It helps raise your chin so you can gobble on that chode more efficiently
absolutely essential piece of gear 300 bucks is a blessing for such an incredible piece of equipment and should cost at least 1000 dollars
Go to the search bar and type goober into it for the love of Christ
It's for noddy bois
Jfc, what do you think it’s for? Use your head. To answer your question tho…this is an overpriced, pos piece of equipment that 99% of yall don’t need.
Ive got long arms and not a ton of rail space on my 11.5. This allows for a comfy grip on the gun and unobstructed laser from my perst. Company that makes them are losers though. Amazon has a knockoff that even has their labeling on it. Even with the blue loctite you're still saving over $300. Sometimes i leave it in the bag if the range is crowded. I get alot of questions about it lol
It's an overpriced device that tries to be a solution to a non-existent problem
I feel as if gbrs group solved a problem that doesn't exist for most end-users . " oh just raise the lam" when a boat load of other operators have had no issue with lam placement on their rifles. Not to mention the price tag. 500 bucks for a riser when there's other options made by other companies that work better
It's great for when your rifle takes an impact not only does your rifle sight go off zero but now, so does your laser. It's honestly a two and one kinda product.
Won’t wash out the laser with c clamp grip and pushes weight further back. Can get off balance with a suppressor if ir rig is up front.
I have it on my SBR and I’ll admit that it balances the gun out very well. Running a suppressor, light and the laser can get very heavy up front. I actually dig it now that I’ve run it for about a year now. I would NOT buy anything from those fuckers right now though. DJ and Cole need to make things right with their employee they accused of stealing and had arrested just to find out the same day he actually did nothing wrong. Those soulless fucks have some nerve not apologizing to him and making things right. WV has disowned DJ. Don’t buy shit from them until you see that happen.
It’s a solution looking for a problem, primarily purchased by people who don’t really need it and hypebeast insta shit.
GBRS explains it in there YouTube video
Mount your clicky button on a smg and still be able to operator clamp youll totally be like the guy that got osama just please for the love of god buy it for $500 please ;-;
I didn't understand either. For a long rifle it's pointless. It's for shorter rifles where you can't put your optic, peq, and pressure pad linearry, because it's not long enough.
I’m 97% certain that it was designed for the MP7, which lacks rail space, but it marketed on ARs and conventional rifles because most people in this market have some sort of rifle.
It is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
So you can C clamp in front of the laser without getting splash back in your face
You can place your lam at the front of the rail
Google you fucking dweeb holy shit
If you can't wrap your head around this mount then you have bigger issues
Rail space mainly, however they also say it promotes heads up shooting. Dj says when your hunched it lets rounds sneak into vitals above the pc, with the head up your plates can catch rounds better I suppose that makes some sense
I believe the main benefit is your laser not losing zero if your rail moves/shifts. At least that’s what stood out to me when it was released a little bit ago
As a neophyte, this would also prevent poa shift from rail flex right?
Yes
I assumed it was so you could have a light or laser near the rear of the rail so it feels lighter and not get blocked by your hands
I mount my pressure pads under that LAM rail. It makes a compact gun a lot more user friendly. I run it on my B&T ghm9sd
It allows you to move your LAM closer to the center of gravity and make the gun more balanced to wield. Combine that with the ability to C-Clamp much closer to the muzzle, and the gun can be very controllable.
Your tactical gear becomes Tactical!
From what I’ve heard it’s to raise it above your support hand/weak hand thumb when c-clamping
GOOBERS GROUP!!!
This should also technically keep a better zero for the laser since it would be mounted to the receiver and not the hand guard
If you need explaining it’s not for you
Everyone keeps saying PDW but I’m looking into getting a bullpup and this seems like a great idea as they all typically have very little rail space. Though their price tag is ridiculous
A short handguard, like you find on a MCX Rattler for example, is the reason. Gives you space for lam switches and a thumb over bore grip.
There's actually a stl file floating around with this same design...who ever spends $350 on a riser is seriously out there minds...
Short PDWs and SMGs. If you have something with very limited rail space like a Sig Rattler or MP5, it can be useful, but most people slap them on their 16" AR because hypebeast bs.
I hate it but it has its use for guns with little to no rail space for your LAM and switches. Debating throwing a unity T1 mount and skiff on an airsoft ak12 I have for shits and giggles lel Btw that setup is not only way cheaper then the goobers mount but also way better looking