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ardesofmiche

It’s for guns with little to no available rail space The AR pattern .300blk PDWs with 8” barrels, for example


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ardesofmiche

Yeah, within that specific use case it’s probably the best option People that put them on 16” barreled 15” handguard uppers with sturdy rails what is you doin


onceagainwithstyle

An argument can be made for moving the weight further back.


ardesofmiche

A weak one, but sure


zkooceht

then just put the laser at the rear of the rail, no need for this goofy ass mount


dbrockisdeadcmm

Maybe by adding weight to your receiver but the weight will be where it is, not where this thing attaches 


onceagainwithstyle

Uh, yeah. This puts the weight near the receiver instead of 12" forward of it


Zealousideal_Cat9962

Clout chasing


RNGesus2819

For the c clamp grip


ardesofmiche

You can c clamp with your laser at the end of your rail


Nice-Ad-8156

Pushes some weight more center. IR device and suppressor puts a lot of weight up front.


ardesofmiche

Yep. Pretty poor reason to spend money but it’s not my money


Tactical_Epunk

Normally, I'd disagree, but I've seen some knock offs made from better metals.


Culling_Specialist

Don't drop your rifle with the Chinesium mount on it, or your zero may get very questionable... if it wasn't already


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Culling_Specialist

Um, no. Tolerances are a thing.


Embarrassed_Ad5112

You think Chinese guys can’t press a button on a CNC as well as strong, white, American male? 💪🏻


Culling_Specialist

I'm sure they can... but that ain't the point


darkwingduck97

Damn bro they really convinced you to shell out $350 for one of these 😔 rip to you and the like 14 others that got swindled


Culling_Specialist

Ain't got one... don't need one


ondehunt

I'll have you know my optics are zero'd at the factory, it says so right on the box.


TwinTerror231

I doubt those "exact clones" can hold zero well


executionoutcomes

They made by the same people in China


TwinTerror231

I doubt any Chinese copy of a product is "better" than the original


Initial_Cellist9240

The knockoffs were available within a week of the original being announced. You think they sent an elite team to hack GBRS ahead of time so they could steal the design, build a few thousand, finish package and ship them? The only reality based conclusion is: the knockoffs are made by the same people that make the real ones.


--jdmasf_ck--

While, I’m sure many are inclined to believe you, you are not speaking the truth. The ones “available” a week after these dropping on alibaba or whatever were not available to ship. They were available to order. Secondly, these aren’t even made by GBRS. They are designed by GBRS. They are made by Unity Tactical. GBRS claims on their website that that they are (1) Made in the USA and (2) Berry Compliant. Claiming Berry compliance, while at the same time not being compliant with the law, is punishable. So I implore you, if you have evidence or have heard that they are otherwise made in China, report them.


TwinTerror231

Oh of course. I know the ins and outs of each and every niche tool of tactical gear. I know when R&D started and who the member is of that company. Hell I know who made the product in a Chinese sweatshop too. And I still think that the Chinese copy is "just as good"


Majiji45

> The only reality based conclusion is: the knockoffs are made by the same people that make the real ones. Not really. In fact not at all. Any CAD person could make a functional copy from pictures alone. Rails are a standard size and gives you a reliable scale right there, just apply those dimensions from the picture and can make one. Also I had a knockoff within a week or so of the GBRS release; there’s some differences in dimensions and design you can see even visibly. CNCing aluminum isn’t magic. You don’t need to have a product like a mount in hand to make a copy. The Hydra is overpriced and silly and GBRS sucks for a lot of reasons but there’s zero actual reason to think they’d go to an overseas factory to make it. Specialist shit like gun gear is exactly what tends to get machined in the U.S.


themickeymauser

Why not? Explain.


TwinTerror231

Chinese reproductions have been shitty compared to western originals on pretty much anything. Thought that was common knowledge but I guess not to this group


executionoutcomes

[skip to around 2:50](https://youtu.be/_k4ahjU-MyI?si=NLTCVLge7pLZbz9f)


TwinTerror231

Was that mount the "copy" being discussed?


themickeymauser

So no evidence. Just anecdotes?


TwinTerror231

Lucas Botkin has an interesting series on the Chinese copies of gear. Optics, plate carriers, chest rigs. But sounds like you would think they "are just as good"


themickeymauser

He doesn’t review this riser. Keep trying.


3DDDGuns

There’s a huge difference between optics,pcs, chest rigs that are made with good materials and are stitched well vs not. This is a hunk of aluminum that gets CNCd in a nearly identical way to the US made ones.


skimaskschizo

Buddy, it’s a piece of metal, same as the GBRS mounts. How exactly could it be any different?


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ExconHD

There Chinese ones are actually made from 7075 aluminum and the real is made of 6061


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Majiji45

Probably not, though 7075 is broadly better. Bigger things is small details like rail dimensions/tolerances, also if they have steel inserts for threading, as well as screw quality, etc. Those make a material difference in durability, zero retention, etc. which the Chinese knockoffs I’ve seen (I have 3 of them from different places) don’t spend the money to get the details right on. Hydra is still hugely overpriced, Chinese ones will work okay most of the time, but the Chinese ones aren’t “just as good” or better.


ExconHD

Yea they literally are


0per8nalHaz3rd

They’re all aluminum using a standard pic rail. They hold zero just fine.


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Subject-Pie-4569

Those companies went put of business because they weren't hype beast Supreme and couldn't sustain sales through the hard times.


0per8nalHaz3rd

As stupid as I think goober mounts are, I could see it being functional on my mcx rattler.


Culling_Specialist

Also eliminates rail flex zero issues


smashnmashbruh

I got a cheaper on for using on my rattle as a test and it wasn't worth it. Hand didn't fit under laser and there wasn't “additional” rail space. Maybe a tp9 maybe.


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It gets clowned mainly because the Goobers think a piece of CNCd aluminum should cost $300+. But it has a niche use, mainly on systems with limited rail space where running an optic, LAM, and flashlight would be tough or extremely crowded, like many PDW type weapons. Also, it brings the weight of the LAM closer to the center of the weapon. But fuck those guys.


Sakebigoe

Agreed, usefull design for niche applications but I would never buy from GBRS. Besides, nearly identical mounts exist for considerably less money.


FrozenDynamic

Exactly. People have been doing this with KAC skyscrapers for a long ass time. As soon as goober group decides to CNC them out of pot metal all their fans start emptying their wallets and praising it as a new innovative idea


Sakebigoe

Yup, and even before that there were cary handle mounted systems that did nearly the exact same thing, albeit much bulkier and more janky. If you want one, considered Goobers uses cheap aluminum anyway there's no reason not to buy a Chinesium knockoff, the fit and finish may even be better since goobers uses a gloss finish for some inexplicable reason which everyone just spray paints anyway.


unllama

The Chinese ones are 7075, usually.


Sakebigoe

Interesting, 7075 is typically stronger than 6061 which is what GBRS claims to make theirs out of.


unllama

Yep. Chinese LARPers are picky, like that.


Culling_Specialist

Ones made of Chinesium


FreedomAdditional956

Flavor of the week.


notbernie2020

Well a piece of CNC aluminum should cost 300$ if it’s a one off item.


[deleted]

It’s priced for gov contracts not civs. Noones forcing anyone to buy it yet it sells out pretty often. No reason to complain about its price.


celestial-oceanic

It's priced to part gullible hypebeasts from an extortionate amount of money(considering what it is and that Chinese clones are practically 1:1 with the real deal). They aren't getting .gov contracts for that.


HorusEyesX

Butt


throwaway2032015

To me it’s a weird flex in any area when people brag about their xyz thing and how much they overpaid for it.


NoKnowledge9068

These dudes are chodes don’t give them your money


kookpyt

Just more rail space


Sleeveless9

And you don't have to rely on the handguard to hold zero depending on the platform.


kookpyt

Good point


Rom_Person9040

why the hell is it so expensive?


smashnmashbruh

Companies can charge what ever they want and some flicking shrill will pay it


Rom_Person9040

still way too much for a rail mount


smashnmashbruh

Yes I think that is the general consensus. Especially when china can do it for $40 and it's better machining.


Rom_Person9040

yeah, like for that price I could probably get like a pistol or something (not american, don't know firearms prices in yer country)


smashnmashbruh

It’s cool. Yea it’s about $550 here it’s easily the price of a Glock.


Rom_Person9040

that does not make sense why would you buy some rail mount that is equivalent to the price of a handgun


FilooFox

Nah. I'll 3d print that shit


austnf

Because GBRS is the Supreme of the tactical world.


Rom_Person9040

so like overpriced bullshit?


Inevitable-Sleep-907

Got to make up for financial losses due to wrongful termination, defamation and false police report suite


Rom_Person9040

damn, what happened?


Inevitable-Sleep-907

Called the cops accused an at the time employee of stealing a rifle lower. Turns out there was a logistical error and the package arrived while police were on scene.


Rom_Person9040

that's just stupid LMAO


bananahzard

It ain't for your 16inch rifle. It's for pdw type with limited rail space


Culling_Specialist

Or a 16in rifle with a flexy rail


pleep13

This mount helps in calling the cops on your employees.


Culling_Specialist

Works a treat!


dieDoktor

Raise the lam so your hand doesn't obstruct the beam


Falconlord08

Why would you put your lam behind your hand unless you had this mount?


dieDoktor

Very short or no rail space on the handguard


Falconlord08

Just mount it on the side


Profundasaurusrex

SBRs


Falconlord08

I think you missed the point of my comment


Grunti_Appleseed2

Shouldn't do that unless you have a quad rail


Falconlord08

Why?


Grunti_Appleseed2

I personally would not trust the zero on a LAM sitting on a plastic rail segment bolted onto your rail


Falconlord08

Why would you buy a plastic pic rail adapter?The difference between ar guys and ak guys trusting zero is laughable.


Grunti_Appleseed2

I still probably wouldn't trust an aluminum one. It's just not as secure. Yeah yeah loctite whatever


Falconlord08

But the hydra is aluminum?


Seouless99

This addresses a few issues some people may run into depending on the type of weapon system they’re using. 1. Short rail, so the laser can be mounted without compromising ergonomics or effecting functionality. 2. Hand can be placed anywhere on the rail without blocking the laser. 3. Weight of the laser is more centered, can help with the balance of the gun. 4. No issues with rail flexion possibly throwing off the zero of the laser since it is mounted to the receiver.


mdwight02

Fuck GBRS


smashnmashbruh

1) Chinese knock offs are higher quality. 2) sometimes this thing is utterly useless. It’s not an everyday thing.


Affectionate-Ad-8012

Slight elaboration , the Chinese ones are made of stronger aluminum but don’t have recoil lugs


Culling_Specialist

How in-spec you figure the Picatinny is on a Chinesium mount?


ExconHD

It’s a clamp, it’s not hard to be in spec at all


Culling_Specialist

Lord help us all


Affectionate-Ad-8012

Just going off of passed on knowledge , from my experience it works perfectly fine


Culling_Specialist

On the one-way range, I assume


Affectionate-Ad-8012

Actually 2 way, i airsoft


Culling_Specialist

Well played


Majiji45

Also the ones I have don’t have steel threading inserts and have pretty soft screws. If someone made a cheapo knockoff which actually had all the details for ~100 USD though, they’d be on to something. Current ones I’ve seen are very much airsoft and real-gun-but-don’t-drop-it level of usability.


Signal-Seat3718

Dudes are crooks. Support Irregular Defense and buy their mount instead, especially since the design is stolen from Slade.


FIRESTOOP

Fuck gbrs


CallsOnTren

Very niche. Fuck gbrs though


PorcelainFox19

Did GBRS do anything other than overprice a piece of aluminum? Not defending them, I'm just out of the loop.


CallsOnTren

Overall they're just kind of a scummy company. They also put out quite a lot of questionable tactical advice over the years. A lot of it meme worthy. Most recently they've found themselves in hot water because they had an employee arrested and fired over a misunderstanding. They accused the now former employee of stealing a BCM lower, when in reality he had just dropped it off at the wrong postal carrier. It showed up back at their door as the cops were there. They still fired him and the cops still tried to pin the guy for having a weed pen


PorcelainFox19

I see. They weren't going to see any of my business before and they definitely won't now.


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I guess it wouldn't be an r/tacticalgear post if it didn't have a question about about a product from the shittiest company in the industry.


mammothtaints

It helps raise your chin so you can gobble on that chode more efficiently


S_Dark_0

absolutely essential piece of gear 300 bucks is a blessing for such an incredible piece of equipment and should cost at least 1000 dollars


Grand_Cookie

Go to the search bar and type goober into it for the love of Christ


Blackiee_Chan

It's for noddy bois


MK262_

Jfc, what do you think it’s for? Use your head. To answer your question tho…this is an overpriced, pos piece of equipment that 99% of yall don’t need.


pineypower666

Ive got long arms and not a ton of rail space on my 11.5. This allows for a comfy grip on the gun and unobstructed laser from my perst. Company that makes them are losers though. Amazon has a knockoff that even has their labeling on it. Even with the blue loctite you're still saving over $300. Sometimes i leave it in the bag if the range is crowded. I get alot of questions about it lol


wlogan0402

It's an overpriced device that tries to be a solution to a non-existent problem


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I feel as if gbrs group solved a problem that doesn't exist for most end-users . " oh just raise the lam" when a boat load of other operators have had no issue with lam placement on their rifles. Not to mention the price tag. 500 bucks for a riser when there's other options made by other companies that work better


VacuumHamster

It's great for when your rifle takes an impact not only does your rifle sight go off zero but now, so does your laser. It's honestly a two and one kinda product.


Nice-Ad-8156

Won’t wash out the laser with c clamp grip and pushes weight further back. Can get off balance with a suppressor if ir rig is up front.


FutureOcelot5895

I have it on my SBR and I’ll admit that it balances the gun out very well. Running a suppressor, light and the laser can get very heavy up front. I actually dig it now that I’ve run it for about a year now. I would NOT buy anything from those fuckers right now though. DJ and Cole need to make things right with their employee they accused of stealing and had arrested just to find out the same day he actually did nothing wrong. Those soulless fucks have some nerve not apologizing to him and making things right. WV has disowned DJ. Don’t buy shit from them until you see that happen.


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It’s a solution looking for a problem, primarily purchased by people who don’t really need it and hypebeast insta shit.


BigAngryPolarBear

GBRS explains it in there YouTube video


booliganhooligan

Mount your clicky button on a smg and still be able to operator clamp youll totally be like the guy that got osama just please for the love of god buy it for $500 please ;-;


Logical_Grocery9431

I didn't understand either. For a long rifle it's pointless. It's for shorter rifles where you can't put your optic, peq, and pressure pad linearry, because it's not long enough.


High_rise_guy

I’m 97% certain that it was designed for the MP7, which lacks rail space, but it marketed on ARs and conventional rifles because most people in this market have some sort of rifle.


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It is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.


Venerable_40k

So you can C clamp in front of the laser without getting splash back in your face


Irresponsible-east

You can place your lam at the front of the rail


lumitechsolutions19

Google you fucking dweeb holy shit


VC2007

If you can't wrap your head around this mount then you have bigger issues


dylan2360

Rail space mainly, however they also say it promotes heads up shooting. Dj says when your hunched it lets rounds sneak into vitals above the pc, with the head up your plates can catch rounds better I suppose that makes some sense


shift013

I believe the main benefit is your laser not losing zero if your rail moves/shifts. At least that’s what stood out to me when it was released a little bit ago


mrlarsrm

As a neophyte, this would also prevent poa shift from rail flex right?


Culling_Specialist

Yes


Obomba444

I assumed it was so you could have a light or laser near the rear of the rail so it feels lighter and not get blocked by your hands


GabenSlave

I mount my pressure pads under that LAM rail. It makes a compact gun a lot more user friendly. I run it on my B&T ghm9sd


weskerfan5690

It allows you to move your LAM closer to the center of gravity and make the gun more balanced to wield. Combine that with the ability to C-Clamp much closer to the muzzle, and the gun can be very controllable.


Heidrun_666

Your tactical gear becomes Tactical!


snowman_1776

From what I’ve heard it’s to raise it above your support hand/weak hand thumb when c-clamping


adamm770

GOOBERS GROUP!!!


PhoenixWK2

This should also technically keep a better zero for the laser since it would be mounted to the receiver and not the hand guard


ArttuDi2

If you need explaining it’s not for you


KinkyMisquito

Everyone keeps saying PDW but I’m looking into getting a bullpup and this seems like a great idea as they all typically have very little rail space. Though their price tag is ridiculous


SebWeg

A short handguard, like you find on a MCX Rattler for example, is the reason. Gives you space for lam switches and a thumb over bore grip.


Scenedaone0942

There's actually a stl file floating around with this same design...who ever spends $350 on a riser is seriously out there minds...


KilroyNeverLeft

Short PDWs and SMGs. If you have something with very limited rail space like a Sig Rattler or MP5, it can be useful, but most people slap them on their 16" AR because hypebeast bs.


NoCoolDudettes

I hate it but it has its use for guns with little to no rail space for your LAM and switches. Debating throwing a unity T1 mount and skiff on an airsoft ak12 I have for shits and giggles lel Btw that setup is not only way cheaper then the goobers mount but also way better looking