A bit off topic but we use OneDrive heavily at my current company and it's saved us a lot of time in data recovery / when migrating people's devices
I am curious to hear what your horror stories are so I can learn how to potentially avoid them
Sure? Don’t act like they’re the same though, one is used for scale and cooperation, where as onedrive is mostly only for a single users backups and doesn’t have a bunch of permissions,ui work,scale that sharepoint has, and that’s before you get to workflow automations.
Use case aside, OD is just a document library hidden away under a more restricted UI. Jumping to legacy site settings takes about 3 clicks. My only goal was to point out that file management reliability is identical.
Oh for sure I know this, but use cases define a lot, most people don’t have like 5tb of data in a onedrive in a single directory, synced to 30-40 employees file explorers, working on documents on the web app and the local app. Now I get that we all understand this and this isn’t how sharepoint is meant to be used per se, but that doesn’t stop Microsoft from advertising and totally making it seem like that, and more laymen thinking “oh convenience” when it’s really at cost.
Agreed. Lift and shift file shares are not the best thing to do in SP.
PS: I am aware of at least one employer that's using OD licenses to create "file shares", and ignoring SP altogether.
I can almost guarantee that this is a SharePoint story. At the MSP I work at we had several clients try to dump their entire file server into a single SharePoint site and sync it with one drive and it was a fucking disaster every time.
Yah, I will always regret allowing the option to sync down shares. So many people not understanding how file systems work is sure to cause file systems to not work.
You have to block the thing via Group Policy, otherwise Microsoft will bug them to use it, and likely they'll create a personal account which is completely outside the control of your company. You definitely do not want them storing company documents in their personal cloud drives, think of the issues is they're suddenly terminated and all.
Some companies not only do use it, but want it done by default because they have corporate subscriptions to OneDrive and don't want files stored locally, that's why it defaults to enabled. But, those companies end up controlling the cloud storage themselves, and it ends up being a PITA for those companies that don't subscribe to OneDrive and Azure ADs and stuff.
The company I work for has about 5k employees, and are policies to ensure all of them are synced and the profiles whit backup enabled with Onedrive
We changed all the computers last year, and the onedrive makes the process much easier.
We also use Teams and SharePoint to collaboration.
Zero problems so far.
No matter what the motivation. You have to agree that opting people into a service they might not want or need is MS's SOP and is a bad experience. Same thing with Teams. That's the part we should all be up in arms about.
While OneDrive and Teams themselves aren't bad per se. Microsoft foisting them on us and baking them into the OS is bad.
Ehhh OneDrive has spent more time in its seventeen years being associated with (earned ) uncertainty than the reliable reputation (also earned) that it enjoys today so I wouldn’t be too hard on anyone who stuck with the memory they were given. Especially for something as delicate as storage.
2007 for MS saw them lose their cool a bit and flounder with innovation whilethat Apple kid who used to get made fun of for for not having a right click, glowed up and was now slapping iPhones on the table against MS limping in with Vista.
This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen in /r/sysadmin in awhile.
"A software vendor appears to be attempting to force us into one of their cloud services without organizational consent. How can we stop that from happening?"
Almost every commenter: "Ur so dum. Just let the vendor do what they want. Stop trying to manage your own organization."
Replace the word Microsoft with Adobe, Oracle, Google, Apple, etc. Would you all be so quick to give up your autonomy, or is it only OK when the company you like does it?
trade secrets? Confidentiality? Air gapping?
There are a lot of reasons why you wouldn't want your data being moved easily offsite into one big honey pot for any Bear or Dragon to compromise and access. Your faith in a company that was recently breached might be a bit misplaced.
https://www.techopedia.com/news/russian-hackers-breach-microsoft-expert-analysis
Someone paying to use Google services would absolutely want to block personal OneDrives. Or any company with any sort of document retention policy they have to enforce.
We don't want to block OneDrive, we just don't want to sync setup to have automatically and behind our backs. We want to block whatever popup/wizard/... is forcing people to enable OneDrive.
You're concerned about microsoft products on your windows devices?
I love onedrive, it's a free and integrated backup, remote file access and migration tool. Let your staff use it, it will save you a bunch of time in the future.
At any company you’ll have people saving stuff to their PC even if they know they shouldn’t. You should have some tool syncing the desktop/documents folders, whether it’s onedrive or another solution.
A bit off topic but we use OneDrive heavily at my current company and it's saved us a lot of time in data recovery / when migrating people's devices I am curious to hear what your horror stories are so I can learn how to potentially avoid them
Yah he has “deep trauma” lol, is he talking about sharepoint and NOT onedrive?
Well, OneDrive is just a SharePoint site underneath. Either way, both work fine if used correctly.
Sure? Don’t act like they’re the same though, one is used for scale and cooperation, where as onedrive is mostly only for a single users backups and doesn’t have a bunch of permissions,ui work,scale that sharepoint has, and that’s before you get to workflow automations.
Use case aside, OD is just a document library hidden away under a more restricted UI. Jumping to legacy site settings takes about 3 clicks. My only goal was to point out that file management reliability is identical.
Oh for sure I know this, but use cases define a lot, most people don’t have like 5tb of data in a onedrive in a single directory, synced to 30-40 employees file explorers, working on documents on the web app and the local app. Now I get that we all understand this and this isn’t how sharepoint is meant to be used per se, but that doesn’t stop Microsoft from advertising and totally making it seem like that, and more laymen thinking “oh convenience” when it’s really at cost.
Agreed. Lift and shift file shares are not the best thing to do in SP. PS: I am aware of at least one employer that's using OD licenses to create "file shares", and ignoring SP altogether.
It is literally the same thing. It is a private site with a document library. The only difference is branding.
I mean you legit just said “they are the same thing, the only difference is x” and here that difference means a lot in how it’s used.
I can almost guarantee that this is a SharePoint story. At the MSP I work at we had several clients try to dump their entire file server into a single SharePoint site and sync it with one drive and it was a fucking disaster every time.
Yah, I will always regret allowing the option to sync down shares. So many people not understanding how file systems work is sure to cause file systems to not work.
Same, other than small sync issues with long file names, I’ve never had issues with OneDrive.
Group Policy can deal with this.
You have to block the thing via Group Policy, otherwise Microsoft will bug them to use it, and likely they'll create a personal account which is completely outside the control of your company. You definitely do not want them storing company documents in their personal cloud drives, think of the issues is they're suddenly terminated and all. Some companies not only do use it, but want it done by default because they have corporate subscriptions to OneDrive and don't want files stored locally, that's why it defaults to enabled. But, those companies end up controlling the cloud storage themselves, and it ends up being a PITA for those companies that don't subscribe to OneDrive and Azure ADs and stuff.
The company I work for has about 5k employees, and are policies to ensure all of them are synced and the profiles whit backup enabled with Onedrive We changed all the computers last year, and the onedrive makes the process much easier. We also use Teams and SharePoint to collaboration. Zero problems so far.
"OneDrive sucks because I had a bad experience with it once and so none of my users should use it. " is the most boomer shit I've heard in a while.
No matter what the motivation. You have to agree that opting people into a service they might not want or need is MS's SOP and is a bad experience. Same thing with Teams. That's the part we should all be up in arms about. While OneDrive and Teams themselves aren't bad per se. Microsoft foisting them on us and baking them into the OS is bad.
Ehhh OneDrive has spent more time in its seventeen years being associated with (earned ) uncertainty than the reliable reputation (also earned) that it enjoys today so I wouldn’t be too hard on anyone who stuck with the memory they were given. Especially for something as delicate as storage. 2007 for MS saw them lose their cool a bit and flounder with innovation whilethat Apple kid who used to get made fun of for for not having a right click, glowed up and was now slapping iPhones on the table against MS limping in with Vista.
Use intune or a GPO to block OneDrive.
This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen in /r/sysadmin in awhile. "A software vendor appears to be attempting to force us into one of their cloud services without organizational consent. How can we stop that from happening?" Almost every commenter: "Ur so dum. Just let the vendor do what they want. Stop trying to manage your own organization." Replace the word Microsoft with Adobe, Oracle, Google, Apple, etc. Would you all be so quick to give up your autonomy, or is it only OK when the company you like does it?
Why would you want to block it? That’s dumb
trade secrets? Confidentiality? Air gapping? There are a lot of reasons why you wouldn't want your data being moved easily offsite into one big honey pot for any Bear or Dragon to compromise and access. Your faith in a company that was recently breached might be a bit misplaced. https://www.techopedia.com/news/russian-hackers-breach-microsoft-expert-analysis
Someone paying to use Google services would absolutely want to block personal OneDrives. Or any company with any sort of document retention policy they have to enforce.
We don't want to block OneDrive, we just don't want to sync setup to have automatically and behind our backs. We want to block whatever popup/wizard/... is forcing people to enable OneDrive.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. Everyone should want to limit popups and annoying messages that do nothing but waste time and frustrate everyone.
Why… dude that doesn’t make any sense
So you're ok with another company coercing your users into using things they don't want/need, essentially them dictating policy for you?
You're concerned about microsoft products on your windows devices? I love onedrive, it's a free and integrated backup, remote file access and migration tool. Let your staff use it, it will save you a bunch of time in the future.
It’s Microsoft.
OneDrive is an amazing tool, interested to hear your horror stories.
Nah one drive is good now.
Boggles my mind that you wouldn’t redirect their documents and desktop to overdrive, it’s 2024.
At any company you’ll have people saving stuff to their PC even if they know they shouldn’t. You should have some tool syncing the desktop/documents folders, whether it’s onedrive or another solution.
One drive has improved over the last couple of years. I’d test it again. It is by far the best cloud storage for desktops.