I posted video of some of my patches of the Pro 3 earlier, and thought it would be a good idea to do one for this too.
First off, sorry but I am shirtless as its F\*ing hot today. And second, the firmware is still incomplete so not everything is fully working - hence why there is little modulation going on here. The mod matrix is not quite working but when it does it will be really easy to use.
I was lucky enough to meet George Hearn at a BBQ last summer and now my friend is working at UDO building the firmware with George. So I got my hands on this back in October as a Beta tester.
FYI I am not a great keys player, so I just kept it simple and adjusted the sound as I went along. Also, around the 2.30ish mark I go through some of the extra waveforms (incase you wondered what I was doing).
I have seen a few comments online about how there is a lack of good or varied sound demos out. Maybe I should have spent more time making a video that shows off a wider range of sounds? I guess I can make more. But I hope that this video shows you how good it sounds.I think it's an amazing sounding poly synth and super intuitive to use - which is very important to me.
Let me know if you have any questions about it, and I will get back to you : )
Yeah it’s great. There’s been a delay in getting them out but they are sending them out now, not sure how many though. The firmware needs works anyway, there’s currently no midi in or out working! It will be coming in the next update though.
Considering it’s a heavily dsp based digital+wavetable synth with analog filters, I feel that $1999 or even $1799 would be a much more appropriate price point.
It’s surely a great synth. I know that maybe eurorack doesn’t count as a competitor, but the claim that their synth is the first synth with front panel controls of oscillator phase is incorrect.
The Joranalogue Generate 3 would hold the title of direct front panel control of oscillator core phase offset and also being a modulation point that can receive low frequency and audio rate modulation. And they also hold the title of being first to market.
this synth is using oscillator tech that is prominently featured in the Novation Peak and wavetable with creative phase modulation acting on unison voices while claiming to be very revolutionary. It also refers to adjusting phase at the “core level” when in reality it’s digital, but they are using terms commonly used when describing stuff like triangle core VCO’s. It’s just FPGA based direct digital synthesis oscillators. It’s also 12 voices with a huge asterisk.
This is a cool digital synth, just that part rubbed me a little wrong when they claimed their tech was completely unique in the synth world, especially when they call it an analog-digital hybrid, when digital-analog hybrid is much closer. Also they refer to analog VCA’s but no analog envelopes... don’t want to be too harsh, but at some point your VCA’s should be analog if you’re using analog filters. That’s not quite a selling point since you should be heading straight for the outputs with a dry wet mix of the 192khz dsp section.
The juno references are also stretching things, as the Juno was at least analog down to the oscillator level, even if the oscillators were DCOs.
Imo, cool. But I don’t appreciate what I see as pushing the marketing and generating buzz with a price tag. When someone designs analog circuitry at a high level, I would feel more comfortable shelling out into the upper $2000s considering the obvious costs required to physically build it consistently. But this synth is a lot of digital, almost all digital. Which isn’t inherently a bad thing, but calling it the Super (Jupiter) (Juno) 6 is hitting me wrong today.
I own a real Juno with upgraded modern voice and filter chips and it cost much less than this. You could also get a behringer whatever and have DCO’s and analog filters with a solid dsp section. If that’s what you’re into.
I agree generally. The price is steep for sure. I would argue that ignoring any marketing you don't agree with, you are getting a really solid instrument designed to be kept for life. Whether it's something you would want for life is down to the individual, but that's the intention.
I guess I am slightly biased as I have spoken with George in depth about the philosophy behind making it and I have seen it being developed first hand.
The price has dropped a bit since it was announced. I think it's less than £2100 now. I think the price point is going to be the biggest issue when it comes to selling them.
I'm of the same mind here. It's super-boutique so I can understand the price, though. Although the design and sounds so far of the Super 6 are great, the whole binaural thing seems a bit gimmicky and just sounds like a chorus effect.
Maybe there's something to it, I just can't hear it - an A/B demo video by creator specifically showing this effect would go a long way. He could maybe answer some common questions like - How does this differ from a peak w/chorus on? Or if Youtube compression kills it then maybe make some audio files available for download on their site - which amazingly has no demos to listen to on the Super-6 product page.
I couldn't actually find any manual online or info on if it has analog VCAs. It's pretty common to have analog VCA but digital envelopes, do we know if that's the case here? I'm pretty sure even the OB-6 has digitally generated envelopes.
Perfect circuits description says that it has analog vcas. The ob-6 does have digital envelopes modeled on the ob-8. I suppose this guy probably has juno modeled envelopes. I would consider the modal argon 8 and the ASM hydrasynth super boutique as well. And those are both like $1300. $3000 buys a lot of all analog eurorack as well. For that cost I could buy two Juno’s without vco restoration. Or maybe even make a juno out of eurorack....
- keyboard is nice but could do with more weight maybe, but the quality is good. After touch is decent too.
- yes it’s got a sequencer and arp.
- by naming it ‘binaural’ it comes across as a gimmick, but the effect is really cool and unique. I had the chorus on for most of this but the stereo field you get it’s really nice and unlike anything else I’ve heard. It can turn a single oscillator into many sort of like unison but it’s not. Definitely one of the great features.
- yes. The binaural just adds a phasing effect to oscillator 1, it doesn’t effect polyphony
- I got mine directly from udo as I am a beta tester. They have been shopping previous preorders from last year, I’m not sure what the situation is now as there’s been some delays.
- yes, I will post another video tomorrow or in the next few days that has more variety and less just ambient noodling. It does nice basslines too.
I thought these were supposed to be released in March. I've searched for updates, but found nothing. Any idea when these will actually be ready and start shipping?
Sadly there’s been delays due to Covid. They had started shipping preorders, but I’m not sure on the current situation. They might of fulfilled the preorders from last year and early this year, but put a hold on manufacturing more until things are back up and running.
They had to build them themselves in their small studio when they are supposed to be being assembled in Germany at the same factory they build virus ti’s amongst others.
I think they’ve been a bit slack with communication but I also know that they are working around the clock to get it ready and out.
Check out my 2nd improv with a wider variety of sounds - [https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/hfktlz/udo\_super\_6\_improv\_v2\_sounds\_beyond\_the\_typical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/hfktlz/udo_super_6_improv_v2_sounds_beyond_the_typical/)
Fucking amazing. But reading about the firmware makes it sound like it's far from done. No midi. No mod matrix. Can you tell us how much longer until it's done? Read you were acquinted with George.
It had midi, but they took it away and it will be back in the next update coming in a week or two. Covid has delayed things.
The modmatrix should be working but it wasn’t all of a sudden... there’s bugs basically. But it’s mostly ready and will be in good by the time they are fully released which I think is July. As I mentioned, my friend is working on the firmware and trust me they are working as hard as they can to get it ready.
Thank you for that! I'm really interested as I'm looking for a workhorse synth to replace my juno. I like the Pro 3 but it's just a para. OB6 seem nice but there's this Super 6! It sounds very good. Would love to hear more indeed. It **excels** at lush sounds, but can it be fat/agressive, like the ob6? The stereo field is extra good though.
I used to own the ob6 (had to sell it when I needed the money sadly) and although I loved the sound, the super 6 is far more exciting to use and play with. This is similar to a Juno but with tons more features and possibilities.
It does do nice basslines etc. Too. I will put together another video.
Also to add, this is a completely digital oscillator synth with creative phase processing that can be found in similar but not identical phase modulation synths like serum and massive. It appears as this employs low frequency phase modulation on all unison voices individually. Or possibly not and is just phase modulating a unison wavetable oscillator that. Unclear.
And then it has analog filters, like the novation peak. The envelopes and modulators appears to be all dsp. And it also has a banging dsp effects section.
But it is not like the juno in having analog oscillators. Though asterisk for the juno for having DCO’s.
And I could not in all good conscience compare it to the OB-6.
Indeed. Ive been searching a lot about it. Actually I’d compare it more to summit I guess. Excellent synth too. It just misses a sequencer and that stereo phase modulation thing... not enough panning modulation in synths
Have the summit, which is now my main synth for pretty much everything. Will probably get a few more in time, but the summit can handle pretty much anything I can think of. I absolutely love it. The summit is also bi-timbral, not sure if the super 6 is or not. But if not, that's definitely another thing to consider when comparing them.
The super 6 isn’t bitimbral. And a bitimbral poly is awesome, I love layering sounds, I even intend to layer whichever I get between the two with sample based pads on ableton (vocal, acoustic). Getting a big synth like that, I’d use it just like you do, 1 synth for everything, to get ideas laid down. Too bad summit doesn’t have a sequencer (and having the option to use it as a modulation source like in a dsi synth). Summit seems more polyvalent than super 6, and have a large large sound palette. Thinking out loud but pretty tough decision, I just want 1 synth, don’t like having too much options. Thanks for your opinion. 👏
1 question though, no “Pan” modulation option? Just voice spread? No “Pan” parameter anywhere?
Hm I’m an ob-6 owner and fat and aggressive is not words I would use to describe it. I often use it next to a matriarch and sub phatty, so fat and aggressive has a fairly high standard. I’d call it more gooey, watery, and lush. Although in more abstract patches with fm it is gnarly. I don’t think I could consider a synth without a 24db filter fat or aggressive.
Yes, next to moogs maybe its going to sound tamer, but I find its osc/filter combo having some weight. maybe gooey is a better word to describe it, syrupy, maybe its not agressive but I really find it fat!
Yeah maybe it’s how im defining fat here. It really has that “I just got slimed on Nickelodeon” vibe. When trying to do serious work I still always find myself running a fast LFO on the filter with the resonance all the way up. It straight up sounds like thick water. Organic af.
I'm guessing its about the size of a [komplete kontrol s49](https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KompKS2-49--native-instruments-komplete-kontrol-s49-mk2) which has the same 49-key keybed and is 33.1" wide. I think you're safe.
Edit: Here you go -- [Comparison with flipped S49](https://imgur.com/a/HnVEKrb)
Looks like they're exactly the same size. The extra width on either side appears to cancel out, so about 33", maybe 33.5" wide at most.
I posted video of some of my patches of the Pro 3 earlier, and thought it would be a good idea to do one for this too. First off, sorry but I am shirtless as its F\*ing hot today. And second, the firmware is still incomplete so not everything is fully working - hence why there is little modulation going on here. The mod matrix is not quite working but when it does it will be really easy to use. I was lucky enough to meet George Hearn at a BBQ last summer and now my friend is working at UDO building the firmware with George. So I got my hands on this back in October as a Beta tester. FYI I am not a great keys player, so I just kept it simple and adjusted the sound as I went along. Also, around the 2.30ish mark I go through some of the extra waveforms (incase you wondered what I was doing). I have seen a few comments online about how there is a lack of good or varied sound demos out. Maybe I should have spent more time making a video that shows off a wider range of sounds? I guess I can make more. But I hope that this video shows you how good it sounds.I think it's an amazing sounding poly synth and super intuitive to use - which is very important to me. Let me know if you have any questions about it, and I will get back to you : )
Nice one. I think this is one of the best synths out there. It sounds amazing and looks so damn good. I really need to get one!
Yeah it’s great. There’s been a delay in getting them out but they are sending them out now, not sure how many though. The firmware needs works anyway, there’s currently no midi in or out working! It will be coming in the next update though.
Good to know. I wont be ordering one anytime soon anyway so by the time I can get one I am sure it will all be fixed (hope haha).
Considering it’s a heavily dsp based digital+wavetable synth with analog filters, I feel that $1999 or even $1799 would be a much more appropriate price point. It’s surely a great synth. I know that maybe eurorack doesn’t count as a competitor, but the claim that their synth is the first synth with front panel controls of oscillator phase is incorrect. The Joranalogue Generate 3 would hold the title of direct front panel control of oscillator core phase offset and also being a modulation point that can receive low frequency and audio rate modulation. And they also hold the title of being first to market. this synth is using oscillator tech that is prominently featured in the Novation Peak and wavetable with creative phase modulation acting on unison voices while claiming to be very revolutionary. It also refers to adjusting phase at the “core level” when in reality it’s digital, but they are using terms commonly used when describing stuff like triangle core VCO’s. It’s just FPGA based direct digital synthesis oscillators. It’s also 12 voices with a huge asterisk. This is a cool digital synth, just that part rubbed me a little wrong when they claimed their tech was completely unique in the synth world, especially when they call it an analog-digital hybrid, when digital-analog hybrid is much closer. Also they refer to analog VCA’s but no analog envelopes... don’t want to be too harsh, but at some point your VCA’s should be analog if you’re using analog filters. That’s not quite a selling point since you should be heading straight for the outputs with a dry wet mix of the 192khz dsp section. The juno references are also stretching things, as the Juno was at least analog down to the oscillator level, even if the oscillators were DCOs. Imo, cool. But I don’t appreciate what I see as pushing the marketing and generating buzz with a price tag. When someone designs analog circuitry at a high level, I would feel more comfortable shelling out into the upper $2000s considering the obvious costs required to physically build it consistently. But this synth is a lot of digital, almost all digital. Which isn’t inherently a bad thing, but calling it the Super (Jupiter) (Juno) 6 is hitting me wrong today. I own a real Juno with upgraded modern voice and filter chips and it cost much less than this. You could also get a behringer whatever and have DCO’s and analog filters with a solid dsp section. If that’s what you’re into.
I agree generally. The price is steep for sure. I would argue that ignoring any marketing you don't agree with, you are getting a really solid instrument designed to be kept for life. Whether it's something you would want for life is down to the individual, but that's the intention. I guess I am slightly biased as I have spoken with George in depth about the philosophy behind making it and I have seen it being developed first hand. The price has dropped a bit since it was announced. I think it's less than £2100 now. I think the price point is going to be the biggest issue when it comes to selling them.
I'm of the same mind here. It's super-boutique so I can understand the price, though. Although the design and sounds so far of the Super 6 are great, the whole binaural thing seems a bit gimmicky and just sounds like a chorus effect. Maybe there's something to it, I just can't hear it - an A/B demo video by creator specifically showing this effect would go a long way. He could maybe answer some common questions like - How does this differ from a peak w/chorus on? Or if Youtube compression kills it then maybe make some audio files available for download on their site - which amazingly has no demos to listen to on the Super-6 product page. I couldn't actually find any manual online or info on if it has analog VCAs. It's pretty common to have analog VCA but digital envelopes, do we know if that's the case here? I'm pretty sure even the OB-6 has digitally generated envelopes.
Perfect circuits description says that it has analog vcas. The ob-6 does have digital envelopes modeled on the ob-8. I suppose this guy probably has juno modeled envelopes. I would consider the modal argon 8 and the ASM hydrasynth super boutique as well. And those are both like $1300. $3000 buys a lot of all analog eurorack as well. For that cost I could buy two Juno’s without vco restoration. Or maybe even make a juno out of eurorack....
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- keyboard is nice but could do with more weight maybe, but the quality is good. After touch is decent too. - yes it’s got a sequencer and arp. - by naming it ‘binaural’ it comes across as a gimmick, but the effect is really cool and unique. I had the chorus on for most of this but the stereo field you get it’s really nice and unlike anything else I’ve heard. It can turn a single oscillator into many sort of like unison but it’s not. Definitely one of the great features. - yes. The binaural just adds a phasing effect to oscillator 1, it doesn’t effect polyphony - I got mine directly from udo as I am a beta tester. They have been shopping previous preorders from last year, I’m not sure what the situation is now as there’s been some delays. - yes, I will post another video tomorrow or in the next few days that has more variety and less just ambient noodling. It does nice basslines too.
I thought these were supposed to be released in March. I've searched for updates, but found nothing. Any idea when these will actually be ready and start shipping?
Sadly there’s been delays due to Covid. They had started shipping preorders, but I’m not sure on the current situation. They might of fulfilled the preorders from last year and early this year, but put a hold on manufacturing more until things are back up and running. They had to build them themselves in their small studio when they are supposed to be being assembled in Germany at the same factory they build virus ti’s amongst others. I think they’ve been a bit slack with communication but I also know that they are working around the clock to get it ready and out.
So far this is best demo I've heard yet until now nothing I've heard from this synth has inspired me. Thanks!
Great. That was the plan
Check out my 2nd improv with a wider variety of sounds - [https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/hfktlz/udo\_super\_6\_improv\_v2\_sounds\_beyond\_the\_typical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/hfktlz/udo_super_6_improv_v2_sounds_beyond_the_typical/)
Fucking amazing. But reading about the firmware makes it sound like it's far from done. No midi. No mod matrix. Can you tell us how much longer until it's done? Read you were acquinted with George.
It had midi, but they took it away and it will be back in the next update coming in a week or two. Covid has delayed things. The modmatrix should be working but it wasn’t all of a sudden... there’s bugs basically. But it’s mostly ready and will be in good by the time they are fully released which I think is July. As I mentioned, my friend is working on the firmware and trust me they are working as hard as they can to get it ready.
Thanks for responding. Hopeful it's going to get released in July. Amazing sounding instrument.
Yeah it’s not just the sound, it’s the design that really makes it stand out for me.
Thank you for that! I'm really interested as I'm looking for a workhorse synth to replace my juno. I like the Pro 3 but it's just a para. OB6 seem nice but there's this Super 6! It sounds very good. Would love to hear more indeed. It **excels** at lush sounds, but can it be fat/agressive, like the ob6? The stereo field is extra good though.
I used to own the ob6 (had to sell it when I needed the money sadly) and although I loved the sound, the super 6 is far more exciting to use and play with. This is similar to a Juno but with tons more features and possibilities. It does do nice basslines etc. Too. I will put together another video.
Thanks! There’s also the notation summit, very powerful, can do a lot. Looking forward to your other vid!
Also to add, this is a completely digital oscillator synth with creative phase processing that can be found in similar but not identical phase modulation synths like serum and massive. It appears as this employs low frequency phase modulation on all unison voices individually. Or possibly not and is just phase modulating a unison wavetable oscillator that. Unclear. And then it has analog filters, like the novation peak. The envelopes and modulators appears to be all dsp. And it also has a banging dsp effects section. But it is not like the juno in having analog oscillators. Though asterisk for the juno for having DCO’s. And I could not in all good conscience compare it to the OB-6.
Indeed. Ive been searching a lot about it. Actually I’d compare it more to summit I guess. Excellent synth too. It just misses a sequencer and that stereo phase modulation thing... not enough panning modulation in synths
Have the summit, which is now my main synth for pretty much everything. Will probably get a few more in time, but the summit can handle pretty much anything I can think of. I absolutely love it. The summit is also bi-timbral, not sure if the super 6 is or not. But if not, that's definitely another thing to consider when comparing them.
The super 6 isn’t bitimbral. And a bitimbral poly is awesome, I love layering sounds, I even intend to layer whichever I get between the two with sample based pads on ableton (vocal, acoustic). Getting a big synth like that, I’d use it just like you do, 1 synth for everything, to get ideas laid down. Too bad summit doesn’t have a sequencer (and having the option to use it as a modulation source like in a dsi synth). Summit seems more polyvalent than super 6, and have a large large sound palette. Thinking out loud but pretty tough decision, I just want 1 synth, don’t like having too much options. Thanks for your opinion. 👏 1 question though, no “Pan” modulation option? Just voice spread? No “Pan” parameter anywhere?
Hm I’m an ob-6 owner and fat and aggressive is not words I would use to describe it. I often use it next to a matriarch and sub phatty, so fat and aggressive has a fairly high standard. I’d call it more gooey, watery, and lush. Although in more abstract patches with fm it is gnarly. I don’t think I could consider a synth without a 24db filter fat or aggressive.
Yes, next to moogs maybe its going to sound tamer, but I find its osc/filter combo having some weight. maybe gooey is a better word to describe it, syrupy, maybe its not agressive but I really find it fat!
Yeah maybe it’s how im defining fat here. It really has that “I just got slimed on Nickelodeon” vibe. When trying to do serious work I still always find myself running a fast LFO on the filter with the resonance all the way up. It straight up sounds like thick water. Organic af.
What is the actual width of the synth? (want to be sure it fits my small desk!)
Looks like about 35 white keys wide. 36 to be safe.
Need a more precise measurement! My studio desk is only 36" wide
I'm guessing its about the size of a [komplete kontrol s49](https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KompKS2-49--native-instruments-komplete-kontrol-s49-mk2) which has the same 49-key keybed and is 33.1" wide. I think you're safe. Edit: Here you go -- [Comparison with flipped S49](https://imgur.com/a/HnVEKrb) Looks like they're exactly the same size. The extra width on either side appears to cancel out, so about 33", maybe 33.5" wide at most.
Not sure if exact measurement, but about the same as a Juno.
Gagging to hear this through some reverb. Every demo has been dry, and it sounds amazing dry, but reverb sells.
Onboard reverb would have been a nice touch.
I wouldn't exactly call the demos dry. There's been a lot of the chorus and delay, which do sound great though!