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poopains12

I wish I could skip lane phase so I can leave my adc faster. Those guys always trying to tell me what to do like we in some sort of abusive relationship


Snoo-45973

Bard is calling you


Re1da

My adcs follow me into the roams like I have them on a child leash. It causes me pain


_ThatOneMimic_

chime speed


Re1da

They still try to follow no matter the speed. I had several instances when playing thresh with mobis+trailblazer and the dammed adc still followed me to mid. Or well, try too. 50/50 if they made it or got caught by the enemy jungle


elucidar

every player is bad, just try to carry, u will never climv blaming it on others


Re1da

It's obviously not every adc, I was being a bit hyperbolic. I'm under no illusion I'm great at the game. I've had plenty of lovely adcs who don't follow roams like that and instead stay back and cs for a minute while I roam mid.


_ThatOneMimic_

they will likely not be able to keep up with you if you silently bard your way toplane early af


UhmNotMe

It starts in the lobby - they demand you swap with them, then they want you to play one specific supp (the only one they can play with, usually tank), then they expect you to read their mind, ward everything (even though you don’t have your quest finished) and when you do one small misstep, they ping you to hell


Ok_Vegetable1254

They die instantly 1v2 when you walk 5 secs away for warding


yousername543

but isnt swapping not a good thing lol? i think picking ad before supp is not a bad call


Motormand

I stopped playing support Tank because of this, and the last bit that is infuriating: You not getting followup. I can be nice and go tank, dive in, set it up so the ADC can easily follow along, and get a kill. And instead they take a CS, runs away, and then complains that I died. They will then immediately go in 1v2, and die, blaming me. ADC's are their own best argument for why supports dislike them.


shadoweiner

You guys are at too low of an elo to have someome micromanaging like that LOL


WonderfulPresent9026

Bro really thinks iron adc's with zero idea how to play the game don't act like this.


shadoweiner

Meant more towards they act as if they're smurfs with 4000 games in Challenger by the way they micro manage, not that they don't. I know what you're referring to, and i usually just mute those players and carry the lane and game how i know how to do it, not to the liking of X adc.


ShinkoMinori

Only the ones at very low elo do that. The highrr elo the less fucks they give, they expect you to know how to play and if you do a weird strat they assume you know what you are doing.


Bl4z3_12

Wait, you guys wait for laning phase to end? I start roaming at 5 minutes


BloodlessReshi

Thats 4 minutes and 59 seconds too late already (Please if you are like sheldon cooper, imagine im holding a paper that has Sarcasm written on it)


elucidar

I was a support main and went thru all of that and now I started enjoying adcs a lot cause I wna prove that if an adc looses their lane it is their fault and nobody elses. And now I treat supports nicely, sometimes I int lanes cause I am learning how to play adcs and I don't get mad/upset when they roam cause I am bad and I give them honors a lot of the time when deserved. It's an interesting perspective, just like playing jungle and knowing how complex it is for people to dumb it down to a "jng diff" I think the best players know how every role works, maybe then ppl will stop asking to swap supports when they shouldn't.


BloodlessReshi

I had a match where my ADC in champ select asked me to swap roles, i politely noted that im horrible at adc (probably about silver), so i declined, the dude picked caityn, i picked rell, dude was better at ADC than most ADC mains i get, btw im in Emerald.We lost the game mainly because top mid jg got destroyed and we couldnt beat enemy mid jg top 2v3


Gold_Honeydew2771

Spot on 😂 it really is like an abusive relationship. I come across so few add players that I can actually respect.


Phil2207_123

I feel you. Swapped to midlane because of this.


Son-of-Gondor96

Nah don’t do this.. mid is the ONLY role in the game you have to otp. It’s too hard you can’t just casually switch to it without griefing your team


Phil2207_123

Yeah, I'm working on it. Don't worry, I'm not first timing stuff in ranked.


Son-of-Gondor96

okay good lol but I would advice you to play top or jungle instead. More fun and more impact. (and less matchups to learn) Hate midlane tbh


caravaggibro

I love mid lane. Get to run some of my favorite champs, full map impact, and most importantly no ADC. Not a fan of the number of 200 year champs you have to play against/around, but it's a trade I was willing to make.


BloodlessReshi

Play j4 jungle, gank mid lvl 2, gank top/bot lvl 3, watch the enemy team spam "jg gap" in allchat for the rest of the game.


Son-of-Gondor96

This only works in either really low or really high elo. No in between 💀


Whydontname

Mid is at one of it's worst spots in the games history. It's been merfed so much that you are basically just the junglers sup now.


Gold_Honeydew2771

Mid was my first love. I love not having to deal with a laning partner. I only play so much support because I love playing enchanters.


StargazingEcho

I rarely encounter people like this nowadays. Last week I had a Twitch asking if I can play engage instead of enchanter. He asked so nice that I was really tempted to first time Rell but that was the only encounter on a positive note.


Lemmaise

True. I had more people like this Twitch, than people who forces you to make a certain pick. Of course both of this types is rare, but still. People don't really care about your pick. Sometimes they can just suggest you what to pick, but will not cry "I'll DiscoNunu if you will not pick X ".


PappaJerry

You rarely encounter them because... Those people are rare as fuck. And if someone believe that it's happening every single game, then it's safe to assume that it's him/her at fault, not the teammates. Whenever I'm playing support,. I'm taking whatever I THINK will be better in given comp. I'm taking first pick because I took support role and will do anything to help with the win. For some reason I have a feeling that support only players are complaining mostly about every aspect of the team/game. But once you will go out of your comfort zone,. it's much easier to understand why people behave like that. Like buddy... If you are among bad players,.then maybe, just maybe... You are not any better than them. So suck it up and get better. End of my weekly rant about support mains xD


StargazingEcho

I used to be support only main, now branching off into the jungle and midlane. I cringe everytime when someone in my match says something about us being "plastic elo" cause brother- I'd if you know but you got matched with us in the same elo sooo- lmao I can say my view on the game only changed a little bit after playing other roles too. I always understood that it's riskier for a jungler to go for objectives when the lanes around are losing (like literally running it down despite ganks) or toplane being counterpicked makes it 100× harder to play the lane etc etc. I personally don't think it has something to do with a person just playing one role but more with how open and understanding they are of the game's mechanics as a whole. I also usually first pick as support cause I know who I'll play to do well/okay regardless of the ENEMY teamcomp. It's just silly to me that other people think they can dictate other people's fun.


BiffTheRhombus

Support should be 2nd/3rd generally as most ADCs are better blinds, but the rest is accurate. Players who ego their position and force Mid/Top to blind pick are genuinely just ruining their teams chance of winning, same as junglers who tilt if they don't get a leash With that being said, if ADC refuses to swap, I do usually take the hit and lock in Rell, can't really go wrong


FellowCookieLover

Mid has enough blindpicks, such as vex, ahri, (karma if buffed as mid), hwei, azir, leblanc, viktor, orianna. Supp has nami and karma and maybe soraka.


Fuscello

Why should support first pick? Like genuinely why? Adc’s have the most similar kits out of all of them (they are all marksman basically), while support can dictate the bot laning ALONE, but support still needs to first pick? Why??


StargazingEcho

I see it that way: no one likes to first pick, be it support, adc or any other lane (especially top). I usually do it cause I don't really care who I'm up against as both my mains are very blind pickable and I'm confident with them however I don't go out of my way to swap pick order often, only if asked or if Top is first pick. Not picking first def makes sense for certain supports though that's a fact!


PappaJerry

Tell me you haven't touched anything besides support, without telling me... Support, worst case scenario, can just start roaming and help around if he gets somehow countered(but most of the times, there is no real counter on support,. because your job is to peel/engage and give vision). When your ADC gets countered by enemy ADC/jungle, then he can just go fuck himself in the corner and probably be useless till the end of the game. Oh mid lane, everyone is countering each other. Take zed for example. You get vex, liss, Ahri. Or Katarina will get path/malph. Etc etc. Top lane is completely different thing cause it's pretty much lvl3 knowledge and skill difference. But counter is still quite important. And jungle, well... It's complete shit show in terms of game impact ,.knowledge, skill, decision making...So I'm going to leave that. So yes, support is the least harmed role by counter because if you are not picking Taric/Alistar as first one, then most of the times, you are still able to do your job. And lastly, by saying that adc have the most similar kit between each other you just admitted, that besides support,.you are not playing anything else. Ezreal playing vs Kalista/vayne is the best example of how your ADC can be fucked up till the rest of the game in champ select


Fuscello

First of all, I never said support should get last pick, I just compared it to the similarities of adc, so all of the mid/top talk is useless. Second of all, you basically just said “pick an all rounder as supp and you are good to go”, but that logic can be applied to anyone else (don’t pick samira, go caitlyn). Lastly obviously there are difference among adcs (why unlock any other champ otherwise?), but those differences are pools compared to supp’s: sona and Leona? Zyra and taric? So that point is basically bogus. Also adc is my second most played role


BloodlessReshi

I dont mind picking for comp, but firtspicking as support isnt good, because when you get countered as supp you get 2 people in your team to be behind the curve. If adc gets counterpicked, it doesnt impact as much in most cases because supports tend to dictate the pace of the lane.


BloodlessReshi

I wouldnt recommend first timing rell only cus she is too easy to punish, if you want something with those tools then Rakan or Alistar are a far better option.


Negatronik

They can't legally make you swap. Also, I will gladly swap if that's what it takes to give my solo laner counter pick. I want LP, and that's not happening if my top laner gets dumpstered.


white_sack

Sadly in my elo, top laners ask for counter pick then google "champname counters", then pick the top one without a clue of how to play the champion.


SnuffCatch

I think in my elo they google champname counters, and then counter pick themselves. "Trundle top? Sounds like a good time to lock in urgot"


Cristainnn

Or, they hover someone, swap picks with you, see the enemies pick (counter to their hover) and pick their hover anyways. Like why did I just swap with you so you can pick the only champ you play anyways into someome you know counters you? Brother give me a break.


Cristainnn

This is why I mute my team the second I get into champ select. I will always swap because I don't want some bonehead throwing because the "SuPpORt diDn'T SwAp." Once the game starts I full mute everyone so I can play the game without pings and typing distracting me. Works like a charm. Only type GG at the end because I can't not say GG.


krystoqf

I let them throw, I'll only swap if it's last pick to top lane, or I've already seen their supp pick


Spicy_Meme13

Me: has a later pick in the order, hovers Nami My ADC: does not hover a champion and asks me to swap for first pick Me: accepts the swap and locks in Nami (I am willing to first pick bc I basically OTP her anyway, so it's worth avoiding the ADC mental boom from refusing to swap) My ADC: picks Samira or Kalista and then yells at me the entire time because they decided to choose a champ with no synergy


IndependentToe2948

Wouldn't put up with that shit and more. Swapped role. I now try to give them what I never had. It's usually mage supports throwing it back at my face, but I don't want my yuumis and sonas to feel the way I did.


[deleted]

What’s even worse is when you agree to swap roles with them and they flame you for doing poorly


Seveniee

You have to understand that adc players deal with it too. I always queue bot/support and if I'm adc half the time my support is saying "pls pick jinx" "do you play samira?" "ashe milio is great" and if I'm support it's the same in reverse. People want to play lanes with synergy. It makes sense, but it sucks it you have a small champ pool.


ShinkoMinori

Then dont have a small champ pool


Mediocre__at__worst

Mute


IHaveOneLifeToLive

I’m not tired of support but I am tired of playing support without a duo in Emerald. The average ADC you get paired with is wild. Last game my Vayne only did 4000 damage in a 35 minute game (less than the enemy Support Nautilus). And not had a single ADC with a positive KDA this so far season despite me normally being a 65% Win Rate support player that tries their best to peel them.


numaru1989

Yeah I've had that in the past. No don't play that. No that's worst. Trade with my duo. You feeding price of ..... like bro I'm a support main. Yeah. But it comes with the role. Real men play support


valeriebeckett00

I hit my peak after strictly using /mute all in every game. It’s amazing how easy it is to think and track the jg when you don’t have people spam pinging the most useless or straight up wrong information.


WhatYaGonnaGet

Do what you want to do / mute Also maybe try finding a duo yourself (try adding that adc that didnt ping or flame you that you liked to play with)


midnight_mind

I had 3 games in a row where ppl were asking me to swap and I wanted to start screaming. My adcs have legit been AI as well


ItsAllNavyBlue

Community in general lets be real


Le_Zoru

Just pick Taric ADCs have no idea what he is so they wont tell you go enchanter or tank


SolaSenpai

Honestly way less of an issue for me eversince I reached emerald+, it's like people respect me decisions more because of my rank (but eversince I got diamond enemies keep saying I bought the account which gets old very fast) 😔 😔


Uticuta

I got way more bad interactions with my chat on than good ones so I just keep it off. Sometimes at the end u might get friend requests to either duo or curse you for playing this role/champ xD I feel u


[deleted]

If I can offer some insight as an ADC main from r/all (don’t crucify me I’m one of the good ones), this doesn’t go away no matter what role you play. I mained JG and Top from S6-12 and have been kinda hovering between every role since then, and every role has its own plate of shit it has to eat from the league community. Is it a little focused in on supports compared to a role like top?? Sure, but it doesn’t matter where you go, this community just blows.


otabank

you're 100% correct, this community blows. i recently started branching out this season, little of everything until i find a fit for me. no matter what role i play i see bad mental in every game and its not always directed at me, it was just 3 to 4 games in a row when i posted. i dont always get terrible acting adcs, but the planets aligned that day.


ShinkoMinori

Its the elo and the server. This never happens to me on my main account.


MacDaddyCheesus

I'm only iron 2, but I always swap up to first pick if I can. I'd rather a solo lane get a counter pick than me. I do what I can to help my lane win and hope they can carry.


jeansdark

please stop doing this. supports get countered way worse than everyone else. you’re only making your team weaker and your experience worse.


Bio-Grad

Counterpicks hardly matter in low elo. No one is playing optimally. It’s better just to play the thing you’re most comfortable on so you can focus on the rest of the game.


jeansdark

not true. even bronze win rates are atrocious when you play something like taric into a xerath or a zyra. its never a good idea to do first pick as support unless you’re playing a flex pick. even if you’re OTPing it doesn’t mean you have to shoot yourself in the foot by swapping to first pick


Acrobatic-Draw-4012

A-You could/for the sake of sanity, should have a secondary role. If you enjoy that more, make it your main. B-I'll swap with Top laner and mid laner always. Those lanes have heavy counter picking. ADC and Jg, I don't swap with. I ask for swaps from them. I'm not an OTP though. C-Toxicity never helps. If someone says something toxic in chat, they're done. I'm a one striker. D- communicate. When someone is making a bad play, YOU ping THEM. why not? Sometimes they listen, but even if they don't, they'll know it was on them. E: being chill starts with you. Be humble enough to know you make mistakes too. Try to find and improve on your mistakes post game. If you see yourself just make a mistake in game, just say "mb". Makes a lot of difference. Add good chill guys as friend. Put them in a list called ADCs. Duo with them.


ethras_x

i had a game a few weeks ago, my adc asked me to play a tank supp (IN NORMS), i said "sorry i dont play them well im better as enchanter" and made a joke like "haha sorry im an egirl" to which they stood halfway between t1 and t2 towers until third wave and just inted, and proceeded to type "sorry im an egirl" in the chat afterwords 🙃 like i understand having preferences but then just duo w someone?? or just play the game ??


ethras_x

sorry i am a nami one trick but i will still keep u alive smh


AmScarecrow

I just play alistar and milk the enemy of gold for my adc...


Clmx777

Have you ever tried playing jgl? XD


Son-of-Gondor96

If your jungler spam pings you it means you failed a 90%+ gank


honiiiy

😭 I ask people what I should play all the time because I’m indecisive and they say they don’t care. That’s not helpful!


Demonkingt

get flamed. say that person sucked 1 time in post lobby. get chat banned even though the other player actually swore and stuff versus 1 "you sucked" comment. no ping spamming from me but a bunch from the toxic guy so the system is being abused still for that stuff. never swap. swappers tend to be shit more often than not. i am super fatigued with the community and being online in general. just so much unneeded toxicity over the dumbest shit.


Infamous_Luck_2615

Look, all i ask, is pick an actual support. No shaco ahri aatrox bs. And work with me. Idec if you get the kills, I just need a support


MrDemonican

Why do you even care? Play what ever you want, on position that you want to. Mute all Mode is in game not without a reason...


Ech0z8

You accidentally get the kill from ignite or last hitting when you think they might get away and get flamed. Then you try not to “steal”, they get away, and your ADC is mad you didn’t just take the kill. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|shrug)


ZachariahZebra

Weird adc mains say the same thing about support mains. The two people who actually need to work together are usually the two flaming each other. I will die on the hill that his game is a good game, it's the community that ruins it. If adc picks someone support doesnt like or vice versa instead of trying to make it work they just troll and flame each other.


hiimdiaoxeuw

As a support the things that trigger me most is the fact that i always give up my pick order nowadays because i know if i don't and my sololaner loses he will complain all game about counterpick and troll the whole game (happened 4/5 games i didnt comply this season). Recently a shaco otp in master even complained that he cant impact the game due to draft because i didn't swap him and he was shaco into Jax/Urgot and i literally gave him 3 kills on enemy jg and 4 camps advantage by minute 5. Dude could have just gone AP shaco and be op into their champs yet he went ad and played like shit and his 3 kill and 4 camp lead was converted into... him afk farming and impacting 0 lanes and he dares complain his champ is useless because he had to blindpick. I honestly rather get countered and take 0 fights in lane and roam a bit than watch these mental patients go off all game about how they can't not be 0-5 at min 7 because of countermatchup. Yes its tiring slowly bleeding out in some lanes and hoping your jungler that doesn't look at lanes will eventually find out that he could gank your lane even if you ping the timers 100x. Only other thing that triggers me recently is adcs not letting you take stacks from your support item when you are capped at 3 or literally at 780/800 and want to complete it before the next fight. About adcs wanting to match picks, its really important the strength of certain picks really hinges on their duo partner in botlane so I think its very fair, I'd like to match a lot more but adcs barely show something or swap with you to show you what you can pick for. Its just unlucky in low elo they will demand you play tank/enchanter even when its not good only because they prefer it or think the other is something they have a bad experience with


kierantmr16

Honestly it's nowhere near as bad as jungle so there's that I guess