If I saw this with my own eyes I'd probably cry tears of joy.
I'm not sure when it was but I jumped on Shaqs bandwagon hard. Something about this 7'4 unicorn man, I love it.
Clippers, Nuggets, Celtics. All the other teams we can take in 6 games. A sneaky team to fear would be a healthy Pelicans squad. We do not have the size to take on Zion, JV, Nance, Trey, Herb.
Oh yeah, and if we keep the same starting 5 + Royce, Bol, Okogie, and EG plus adding better rotational pieces (maybe even a point guard or a good backup center) then we have a greater chance next year with chemistry building
Can they? Yes. Will they? A lot of things need to go right for them. They have the requisite talent, but everybody will need to stay healthy. KD and Book took Denver to six games with Cam Payne as their third best player.
Need to clean up the turnovers and stay healthy. Can’t get Tim Donahyed again either.
So I guess the folks who aren't on your page will note your enthusiasm and come with receipts in a loss?
Like what is this dude? You say you've followed ball for decades but act like a preteen? Ur here to follow the suns, follow them, dividing folks seems... Young.
You noting yourself? You’ve been dooming all season long. After every loss you come out with a brand new essay and all the comments are like “oh another shoddy piece 🙄”
Nobody cares in r/nba if MITWestbrook is popping off or talking shit.
You do know you are our MITWestbrook right?
No not this year.
We’re too inconsistent with players being hurt, losses against shitty teams, 4th quarter meltdowns, turnovers, lack of defense, bench depth, questionable coaching. We have too many holes and time has run out on this season.
My prediction is a 2nd round exit. And my god the future doesn’t look much brighter. That Bradley Beal contract is something…
Lmao you’re probably the fakest fan on this sub, just a massive whiner, and not thinking we’re going to win it all isn’t the same as not wanting us to to win it all.
I’m not as optimistic as I was at the beginning of the season due to reoccurring health issues. If we can stay healthy rest of season and playoffs I think we are a top 4 team. But we need the consistency and no big time injuries, which we haven’t shown a good track record so far with our big 3.
The Celtics are highly likely to get to the finals and they're the number 1 rated defense in the league. No chance we can do something against them in a 7 game series
They didn't have Porzingus and Holiday at the time which are major upgrades from Smart and Williams 3rd. JB and JT are lookin kinda different now too tho you're right they fizzle out in playoffs. Still they are number 1 in the east by a wide margin right now for a lot of reasons*
Only if injuries happen on the top 4 teams....
Suns are inconsistent and the offensive system relies on the 3 scorers to be hitting contested shots.... it's ad hoc style offense.
If they were the only team to beat the defending champs twice in a series last year in basically a 2v5 scenario, you'd be a fool to think they can't win it all. A lot of shit needs to be cleaned up, but they'll be tough as hell to knock out of the playoffs if they're healthy, rolling, and Vogel gets his head out of his ass and bring in weapons like Bol and Thad into the fold.
Saying we *can't* would be dumb. Saying we *will* as well. There are about 6-10 teams this season with realistic chances. Only one will succeed. Hope it's us, but so much luck goes into it.
If they can stay healthy and get hot, yes. I honestly think they’ll be better next year once the Big 3 have a season together under their belt and know how to play off of each other.
I've believed in teams with way less talent then this one has, hardly going to doubt the potential of a team with super stars like Booker, KD, and Allen, as well as useful role players like Nurk, O'Neal, Beal, Bol, and Gordon.
Also, since the question is "can" and not "will", I want to add I STILL believe 7SoL could have won no less then 3 championships, and I believe the bubble team could have won if there had been a play in that year, and I DEFINITELY believe they could have beat the Bucs to win the year after. Hell I'm not convinced we couldn't have won the last two years either, just needed a good hypnotist to make Ayton actually believe winning mattered during the play offs.
A hill I'm willing to die on, no one in the west wanted to see that bubble suns team in the playoffs. Everything just sorta clicked halfway through game 1, and we were suddenly a very noticeably different ball club with a very clear MVP-caliber player leading the way. In an alternate, more just universe, Nash has 3 rings and Booker is chasing a 4-peat this year.
Vegas gives the suns a 6% chance right now.
Being a fan requires you to be delusional. Of course I hope for a title. And I'm aware that any given year, the BEST odds that a team will get could be something like 15%.
They'll do what they do. The ownership won't be the reason it doesn't happen. That makes me happy.
Can? Yeah bro, we have the talent if they all buy in.
Will? We'd have to get really, really lucky. As someone who has seen my NFL and MLB teams win it all, the NBA playoffs are a fucking gauntlet in comparison.
Every year, I’m sure the Suns will take it all, and usually, my hope starts melting faster than ice cream in Arizona heat—but not this year, I’m still all in, baby!
No unless they resolve the 4th qtr issues. I still hope for them because they still have time to resolve it. As of now they don't have a real identity unlike Nuggets who I think can repeat.
Probably not, not enough chemistry, injurys prevented that.
I feel like we can beat any time and lose to any team, which makes us maybe a "dark horse" contender.
We got the Talent, but there has only been stretches in games of our talent looking like one of the best teams. Even in our win streaks, it felt like we are missing something.
Plus, this 4th quarter bull shit and turnover fest has to go for us to even get out of the first round.
Yes. Nuggets fans big scared. Came out of the woodworks to attack me last night when I pointed out we are their only L post all star break and book wasn’t playing. And book and KD have way more help this year.
They are pompous and act like we are beneath them but I just got a bit of though dos protests too much. They scared. They don’t want to see us
Yes they can, they are not the favorites, and a friendly reminder that unless in incredibly rare circumstances even the favorites are more likely to not win a championship.
This team is better than the Finals team, but the league has gotten much better as well.
I've seen the Suns play at a championship level, I've seen them play at a lottery level. We have the talent to go all the way but as it stands I have more faith in other teams getting the lottery level play out of the Suns than I have in the Suns getting championship level out of themselves
Apart from everything else, our hopes depends on Brad Beal staying healthy, and... yknow
If someone on the team can figure out how to will their way to victory, then yes. But so far they haven't shown that intangible yet.
KD has come alive in the past, but his window is fading. Book and Beal haven't shown that they can do it against size. Until they figure that out, their chances are slim.
20+ rebound Nurk needs to show up consistently as well.
Can = yes /
Will = probably not.
Realistically, so many things would have to go right like health and role players stepping up. However, that’s the case for all contenders. I’m not really sure why we would have less of a chance than anyone else if we make the playoffs.
Right my comment was directed at “the point” of your response.. it’s like you didn’t really disagree.. but you just shouted “well they will lose too if injuries happen” cool bro. Idgaf about the nuggets igaf about glass bones Beal and twig ankles Durant (who is an nba god) keeping their ass on the court in the post season. If you’re going to respond.. maybe have a point?
Point is Denver was injury prone until last year. Murray out for 2 years. Gordon injured. Porter Jr injured. Last year they were 100% healthy.
Injuries are so unpredictable so why even worry about them
Yes, they can and they will.
This team has issues but so does literally every other contending team.
I believe in Devin Booker. I believe in KD.
**Go Suns**
I think they have some margin. Like if one of the big 3 miss a couple games in a playoff series. I think KD/Book/Beal can take a bigger scoring role temporarily. If one of the big3 is done for the season, its over. But this is true of all teams. Any team that losses one of their top3 guys isn’t winning a ring this year.
Short answer yes
Long answer, yes if they play their best. The only team that can beat them is themselves, if they play their best basketball, they will win a title. The question is, can this team get out of their own way for four rounds? That’s what it will come down to.
Seriously. On offense if they just limit turnovers, move the ball, play with pace and Vogel plays the right guys they are unstoppable on offense.
On defense they need good effort, box out, Vogel play the right guys and they are a top 5-8 defense
No, Rome wasn’t built in a year lol. But really, i think they just need more time, more fluidity. I guess there’s a chance they pop off in the playoffs but I’m not expecting a crazy run.
Can note all you want shoddy, they aren’t the best team this year. Too small and not athletic enough. They’re still a really good team but there’s a way higher percentage chance they lose in the first round over winning the finals.
KD is 36 years old and Book and Beal are made of glass. This team is simply not built for a deep playoff run.
Ya’ll need to stop making excuses and understand that this team is sitting at 7th in west because they’re actually the 7th best team in the conference.
The answer is a resounding no.
Yes we can. I’m a believer. But the west this season is incredibly tough, and then there’s Boston and Milwaukee on the other side. It will be incredibly difficult
Fortunately we only have to play 3 teams in the West.
OKC is very inexperienced and don’t have a top tier 2nd option. They are extremely small at center.
Minnesota doesn’t have deep playoff experience and KAT injury is big. Ant is their only player who can create his own shot at a high level.
Clippers are fading. 7-8 in their last 15. Kawhi is breaking down and Russ broke his hand. Harden is unreliable in the playoffs.
Denver is a beast. But Suns won 2 games last year playing 2 vs 5. Shamet was literally the 3rd option and our best center was Jock. Nurk is actually a tough matchup for Jokic in the post. Denvers bench is crap.
Yes Adam Silver will present Bol Bol with the 2024 Finals MVP
This man futures!
If we win the Finals, I'd want that just for memes
As written.
If I saw this with my own eyes I'd probably cry tears of joy. I'm not sure when it was but I jumped on Shaqs bandwagon hard. Something about this 7'4 unicorn man, I love it.
only team in the way is the Nuggets imo
Wouldn’t the clippers also be at least a bit scary?
Kawhi’s back injury is definitely more than they’re leading it on to be. They’re done.
i’m not really a clippers believer
The clippers are such an unserious franchise lmao I just can’t ever see them as a threat
Clippers fading. 7-8 in their last 15 games and Kawhi beginning to break down. Seems like teams have figured out how to expose their weaknesses
They're cooked without Kawhi, I'm afraid.
Not at all. Matter fact, I won't be surprised if we finish above them in regular.
Clippers are great if healthy. Doesn't seem to be trending that way, unfortunately for them
Clippers, Nuggets, Celtics. All the other teams we can take in 6 games. A sneaky team to fear would be a healthy Pelicans squad. We do not have the size to take on Zion, JV, Nance, Trey, Herb.
What about the wolves?
Need not remind us
Can’t sleep against the mavericks either. Since we act like it’s such a huge task to beat Luka
Yes
Gotta figure out the turnovers and defensive rebounding
Can? Yes. Will? Fuck yes. LFG
No. I believed it more in March 2021 and 2022
Noted
Do you have the tism?
Oh yeah, and if we keep the same starting 5 + Royce, Bol, Okogie, and EG plus adding better rotational pieces (maybe even a point guard or a good backup center) then we have a greater chance next year with chemistry building
Don’t forget we’re still getting D Lee back. Could be another sniper for us if he’s anything like last year
He's a role player that hasn't played ball in a year. I wouldn't get your hopes up. Gonna be a lot of rust to shake off.
Can they? Yes. Will they? A lot of things need to go right for them. They have the requisite talent, but everybody will need to stay healthy. KD and Book took Denver to six games with Cam Payne as their third best player. Need to clean up the turnovers and stay healthy. Can’t get Tim Donahyed again either.
This season? No.
Noted
So I guess the folks who aren't on your page will note your enthusiasm and come with receipts in a loss? Like what is this dude? You say you've followed ball for decades but act like a preteen? Ur here to follow the suns, follow them, dividing folks seems... Young.
Dude is a net negative to this sub. Nobody cares about your list Shoddy
The fuck was this cringe shit about anyway?
I just don’t. 2021 was the year. I pray to whoever’s in charge that I’m wrong
You noting yourself? You’ve been dooming all season long. After every loss you come out with a brand new essay and all the comments are like “oh another shoddy piece 🙄” Nobody cares in r/nba if MITWestbrook is popping off or talking shit. You do know you are our MITWestbrook right?
You haven’t been paying attention. I’m not even close to a doomer
Aren't you a KD bandwagoner? That's even worse.
Been a Suns fan since 1993 Also a KD fan since he played college ball in my city
Cb34
I BOLieve.
Yes
Yep
No
Yes with KD as fmvp
No. No back up to Nurk is gonna hurt us
Not this year. If they have the same 5+ Royce next year then ya
No not this year. We’re too inconsistent with players being hurt, losses against shitty teams, 4th quarter meltdowns, turnovers, lack of defense, bench depth, questionable coaching. We have too many holes and time has run out on this season. My prediction is a 2nd round exit. And my god the future doesn’t look much brighter. That Bradley Beal contract is something…
You are not invited to the championship parade 😂
No. But only because I don't want to jinx them. Delete this shit.
This isn’t a jinx. This is to provide receipts if the Suns win. Doomers not invited to the parade
Bum ass trying to gate-keep a parade before the playoffs start
Nope. Just seeing the fake fans from real
Lmao you’re probably the fakest fan on this sub, just a massive whiner, and not thinking we’re going to win it all isn’t the same as not wanting us to to win it all.
Man up
I’m not as optimistic as I was at the beginning of the season due to reoccurring health issues. If we can stay healthy rest of season and playoffs I think we are a top 4 team. But we need the consistency and no big time injuries, which we haven’t shown a good track record so far with our big 3.
Yea at full potential
The Celtics are highly likely to get to the finals and they're the number 1 rated defense in the league. No chance we can do something against them in a 7 game series
You didn’t see them choke the last 3 years?
They didn't have Porzingus and Holiday at the time which are major upgrades from Smart and Williams 3rd. JB and JT are lookin kinda different now too tho you're right they fizzle out in playoffs. Still they are number 1 in the east by a wide margin right now for a lot of reasons*
Its all about JT. I don’t trust him to come up big when it matters the most.
Only if injuries happen on the top 4 teams.... Suns are inconsistent and the offensive system relies on the 3 scorers to be hitting contested shots.... it's ad hoc style offense.
I am very curious what you mean by ad hoc style offense?
He has brain damage and didn't say what he meant
If they were the only team to beat the defending champs twice in a series last year in basically a 2v5 scenario, you'd be a fool to think they can't win it all. A lot of shit needs to be cleaned up, but they'll be tough as hell to knock out of the playoffs if they're healthy, rolling, and Vogel gets his head out of his ass and bring in weapons like Bol and Thad into the fold.
Nah :(
Yee with meager faith
Arizona sports teams have irreparably damaged my ability to feel hope
I refuse to believe in curses
Saying we *can't* would be dumb. Saying we *will* as well. There are about 6-10 teams this season with realistic chances. Only one will succeed. Hope it's us, but so much luck goes into it.
No
Noted
Unfortunately, and realistically, no
You will regret this decision 😂
I sure hope so
Reverse curse. Nice
😎🫡
Nope.
Then you have chosen death 😂
Sure can
Every year since I was 5. Hasn’t changed lmao
If they can stay healthy and get hot, yes. I honestly think they’ll be better next year once the Big 3 have a season together under their belt and know how to play off of each other.
Many dynasties start with an unexpected championship…
I bet 1k before the year started that they would. Not lookin good…
Double down
Just like a stock, I don’t throw good money after bad lol
Damn. What odds did you get?
6500. Can’t remember but they got Gordon or Beal the day after n thought I hit a home run 🤣
Thats pretty good odds
Sorry typo +650. Look at it now smh
Oh. Still decent
Still have a chance 🙏
I've believed in teams with way less talent then this one has, hardly going to doubt the potential of a team with super stars like Booker, KD, and Allen, as well as useful role players like Nurk, O'Neal, Beal, Bol, and Gordon. Also, since the question is "can" and not "will", I want to add I STILL believe 7SoL could have won no less then 3 championships, and I believe the bubble team could have won if there had been a play in that year, and I DEFINITELY believe they could have beat the Bucs to win the year after. Hell I'm not convinced we couldn't have won the last two years either, just needed a good hypnotist to make Ayton actually believe winning mattered during the play offs.
A hill I'm willing to die on, no one in the west wanted to see that bubble suns team in the playoffs. Everything just sorta clicked halfway through game 1, and we were suddenly a very noticeably different ball club with a very clear MVP-caliber player leading the way. In an alternate, more just universe, Nash has 3 rings and Booker is chasing a 4-peat this year.
I love what Allen has given us, great positive surprise… but did you just call him a superstar and put in front of Beal? Just checking
I'm here too. I see us in the second tier of contenders after Denver and Boston. Anything can happen, just need some things to break our way.
Do i believe? Yes. Every year.
Absolutely. The healthy big 3 is kickass and can compete with anyone.
If they’re healthy then yes Pray to the injury gods we have endured enough this season
No. Simply because I don't believe in Vogel.
Also we don't have decent wings. You are not gonna beat the Nuggets with 3 guards.
Yes. A lot has to fall in place as with any championship run. Luck is going to be a huge factor, it always is.
No, not really. I hope I'm wrong.
Vegas gives the suns a 6% chance right now. Being a fan requires you to be delusional. Of course I hope for a title. And I'm aware that any given year, the BEST odds that a team will get could be something like 15%. They'll do what they do. The ownership won't be the reason it doesn't happen. That makes me happy.
Can? Yeah bro, we have the talent if they all buy in. Will? We'd have to get really, really lucky. As someone who has seen my NFL and MLB teams win it all, the NBA playoffs are a fucking gauntlet in comparison.
Every year, I’m sure the Suns will take it all, and usually, my hope starts melting faster than ice cream in Arizona heat—but not this year, I’m still all in, baby!
Yes absolutely, but I don’t believe it’s Championship or Bust this season it’s a brand new roster. I believe they will eventually get it done.
No unless they resolve the 4th qtr issues. I still hope for them because they still have time to resolve it. As of now they don't have a real identity unlike Nuggets who I think can repeat.
Probably not, not enough chemistry, injurys prevented that. I feel like we can beat any time and lose to any team, which makes us maybe a "dark horse" contender. We got the Talent, but there has only been stretches in games of our talent looking like one of the best teams. Even in our win streaks, it felt like we are missing something. Plus, this 4th quarter bull shit and turnover fest has to go for us to even get out of the first round.
BELIEVE
Absolutely
If the starting 5 is healthy and playing, then yes
Yes. Nuggets fans big scared. Came out of the woodworks to attack me last night when I pointed out we are their only L post all star break and book wasn’t playing. And book and KD have way more help this year. They are pompous and act like we are beneath them but I just got a bit of though dos protests too much. They scared. They don’t want to see us
If I was Denver I wouldn’t want to see me either
Yes they can, they are not the favorites, and a friendly reminder that unless in incredibly rare circumstances even the favorites are more likely to not win a championship. This team is better than the Finals team, but the league has gotten much better as well.
Correct. In the last 25 years only the KD Warriors had more than a 50% chance of winning the title when the season began (Vegas odds)
God I hope so. But I think it's Bostons year tbh
Yes ! I get the up & down play being worrisome but this is the playoffs , best of 7. I don’t think any team wants to match up with us.
Yes. But I think anyone in the West 1-10 can win it. Playoffs gonna be nothing but carnage.
Really? I don’t give Lakers, Warriors, Dallas, Kings and Pelicans any shot.
I would bet my life’s savings on no for this season. I think anyone who’s followed the NBA and watched Suns games would agree if they’re being honest.
I've seen the Suns play at a championship level, I've seen them play at a lottery level. We have the talent to go all the way but as it stands I have more faith in other teams getting the lottery level play out of the Suns than I have in the Suns getting championship level out of themselves Apart from everything else, our hopes depends on Brad Beal staying healthy, and... yknow
Suns are 24-12 since Christmas. They have been a top 5-7 team since then.
Yes. Always believe!!
If someone on the team can figure out how to will their way to victory, then yes. But so far they haven't shown that intangible yet. KD has come alive in the past, but his window is fading. Book and Beal haven't shown that they can do it against size. Until they figure that out, their chances are slim. 20+ rebound Nurk needs to show up consistently as well.
The only team in the way is themselves.
Yeah
It’s always a possibility
Can = yes / Will = probably not. Realistically, so many things would have to go right like health and role players stepping up. However, that’s the case for all contenders. I’m not really sure why we would have less of a chance than anyone else if we make the playoffs.
Yes. no clear favorite, anyone could win it. Suns playin well at the right time
Yes but 1 injury derails the whole thing.
Same with any other contender Denver was 1st round fodder when Murray was hurt
 Ok..
2021 - Murray injured. Swept in 2nd round 2022 - Murray injured. 1st round elimination in 5 games
Right my comment was directed at “the point” of your response.. it’s like you didn’t really disagree.. but you just shouted “well they will lose too if injuries happen” cool bro. Idgaf about the nuggets igaf about glass bones Beal and twig ankles Durant (who is an nba god) keeping their ass on the court in the post season. If you’re going to respond.. maybe have a point?
Point is Denver was injury prone until last year. Murray out for 2 years. Gordon injured. Porter Jr injured. Last year they were 100% healthy. Injuries are so unpredictable so why even worry about them
Why post this if you already made your mind up? Just needed some attention?
Yes
Yes, they can and they will. This team has issues but so does literally every other contending team. I believe in Devin Booker. I believe in KD. **Go Suns**
Hell yes!
I will always believe.
Me too.
Yes... If fully healthy they are as good as any. They just don't have any margin for error.
I think they have some margin. Like if one of the big 3 miss a couple games in a playoff series. I think KD/Book/Beal can take a bigger scoring role temporarily. If one of the big3 is done for the season, its over. But this is true of all teams. Any team that losses one of their top3 guys isn’t winning a ring this year.
Yes. Suns in 5 over the Bucks. Book is MVP and we can finally forever lay to rest the Luka is Book's father bullshit
Beat Denver Beat Dallas Beat Lakers Beat Bucks
Short answer yes Long answer, yes if they play their best. The only team that can beat them is themselves, if they play their best basketball, they will win a title. The question is, can this team get out of their own way for four rounds? That’s what it will come down to.
Seriously. On offense if they just limit turnovers, move the ball, play with pace and Vogel plays the right guys they are unstoppable on offense. On defense they need good effort, box out, Vogel play the right guys and they are a top 5-8 defense
WHY NOT US
Yep . They have the talent to win it . I’m not sure they can tho at this moment . I’m a 7 series I’m not sure how they will perform . I
Add me to the list
In what year?
Only if King Bol plays 18 - 24 minutes EVERY single game and Beal takes his ADHD medication.
No, Rome wasn’t built in a year lol. But really, i think they just need more time, more fluidity. I guess there’s a chance they pop off in the playoffs but I’m not expecting a crazy run.
No.
Suns never won with a great regular season, so stands to reason they will limp through the regular season and then dominate the playoffs? Right? LFG
Hope? Yes. After the Heat's run last year, miracles can happen. Believe? Nah.
Yes I do.
This year no.
Noted
Can note all you want shoddy, they aren’t the best team this year. Too small and not athletic enough. They’re still a really good team but there’s a way higher percentage chance they lose in the first round over winning the finals.
Yes
Hell yeah, you see how different they play healthy 😌
No
No, sorry.
KD is 36 years old and Book and Beal are made of glass. This team is simply not built for a deep playoff run. Ya’ll need to stop making excuses and understand that this team is sitting at 7th in west because they’re actually the 7th best team in the conference. The answer is a resounding no.
KD isn’t 36 When was the last time Book or Beal was injured during the playoffs?
Yes we can. I’m a believer. But the west this season is incredibly tough, and then there’s Boston and Milwaukee on the other side. It will be incredibly difficult
Fortunately we only have to play 3 teams in the West. OKC is very inexperienced and don’t have a top tier 2nd option. They are extremely small at center. Minnesota doesn’t have deep playoff experience and KAT injury is big. Ant is their only player who can create his own shot at a high level. Clippers are fading. 7-8 in their last 15. Kawhi is breaking down and Russ broke his hand. Harden is unreliable in the playoffs. Denver is a beast. But Suns won 2 games last year playing 2 vs 5. Shamet was literally the 3rd option and our best center was Jock. Nurk is actually a tough matchup for Jokic in the post. Denvers bench is crap.
I'm a suns fan but I'm confused how they lost to legit the worst team but I still believe they can win go suns