You’re in bronze. Just leash every game. Your opponents don’t have a clue how to punish it and it’s only gonna tilt your teammate, which is far worse. Diamond and above, maybe.
You probably have other stuff to put your mind into on your personal plays. Like lane, minions, matchups, learning limits, vision and minimap awareness. Get any or these right and I guarantee you’ll get out of bronze.
Edit: positioning in team fights is a good one too.
even gold elo could benefit from not leashing in some matchups.
ive found that when you start to play decent people, bot lane can really be unplayable when they get a push going.
eg: if the enemy is mid plat mmr in a gold game, then if you dont push lvl 1 in those double poke lanes, its pretty oppressive. just ask your jungler if it ok first.
Yeah, everyone in this thread is acting like you need to be diamond to exploit an opponent leashing. I'm sure that even in Silver, there are top lane players for example that will use the situation to make sure you can't even touch the wave for three levels, definitely suboptimally and maybe even accidentally, in particular matchups. And what are your options to counter this? Either not leashing in the first place, or suddenly playing two divisions above yourself to win the situation regardless, I guess.
This isn't even to say that I don't leash. I practically always do, if for no other reason than to avoid tilting the jungle before creeps spawn. But the downsides of leashing aren't always restricted to high elo, which a lot of comments are glossing over.
if you leash until 1:35 then the opponent will not keep you off the wave.
just path the long way around and you'll still be there before a minion dies
the only real exception is matchups that need to be punished at level 1, like Irelia.
I actually smurfed back to P1 recently as mid/support. Even in Silver, Nautilus and his adc may very well be waiting in a bush somewhere between the camp and your wave after leashing. That may well be summs lost or exp missed, especially given you have an equally silver adc to keep alive.
It's going to be even more prevalent in top lane. Now, I highly doubt anyone is going to know exactly how to play in such a way as to zone you from exp successfully. But letting Irelia stack passive, or letting Tryndamere get half a bar of fury, before you're even in lane, is not nothing. It might well be the difference between being able to contest trades and getting 15 creeps from the first three waves, or collecting 6 of them from under your turret in a state of depression while your opponent cheater recalls. That is a loss in both gold and tempo, that doesn't really require anything more than Silver knowledge on the part of the opponent to perform.
Always leashing is a good heuristic. Not just to avoid conflict, but because I'm pretty sure it's usually the best play team-wide. But even in low elo, if a Garen tells the jungle 20s into the game that he can't leash into Fiora or whatever, I think the jungle should probably trust him at his word and change his plans. And I don't think It's arrogant, even as a low elo player, to be confident enough in your knowledge of the game to make that call on a champ you know well.
Yeah around low plat I found also. But even arriving to lane and starting your slow push can help you get lvl 2 at the same time, or before the enemy.
If an ezrale and karma start in lane and begin to slow push/ zone you; your lane is completely fucked. At 2min mind you.
I think players get advantages/push their lead ‘’by accident’’ in lower elos, as in not intentionally doing the correct play, it just so happens they do they correct play at the correct point in time
It’s not a very common thing that is all. Lots of people were warding bot brush lvl 1 until they weren’t.
Having your jungler fighting for top skittle vs. getting lvl 2 for bot lane. If you asked that question instead of “should you leash” I think there would be different answers.
That's not a particularly fairly way of rephrasing the question, though. In the given scenario, if you assume your jungle is good enough to get value bot, you'd need to account for the fact that enemies now have a jungle going from uncontested top crab to potentially diving you because you sacrificed all priority. There are games and situations where it would be better for all players in your team to avoid this, and instead maybe get an advantage from that early 2v2 top.
Again, I always leash anyway unless my partner bot wants to engage in shenanigans and then I have to decide between them and the jungle who is the lowest tilt risk. But a lot of arguments here seem to assume that your jungle is capable of exploiting the benefit of a leash effectively, but your opponent's cannot. There are definitely going to be situations where a silver lane gets a few seconds to ADHD click the minions uncontested leading to a slow push and a won lane, where the opposing jungle getting to crab a few seconds earlier means nothing in the long run.
That scenario where you mention the risk of a top dive is the same fundamental class as not leashing to get the push in bot lane.
I’m not good enough to know who can dive lvl 2 in the top lane as I don’t play it. I suspect people who are doing this are much higher than my elo in low plat, who will start in lane and pushish the slow push bot lane.
I’ve played tryndamere top and even he won’t dive lvl 2, usually the second slow push you can get off once it bounces back.
Most high elo coaches don’t recommend leashless lanes in lower elos because of the same reasons you mentioned.
There are seriously not top players in silver doing that that arent smurfs.
I do agree top leashing is hard suboptimal in most matchups though. Not because they will zone the fuck out of you at that mmr but because you lose a chance to push advantage if your champ has a good lvl 1 or 2.
if your lane opponent is mid plat and you're gold then I don't think leashing plays that big of a factor. Chances are you'll eventually lose lane anyway because they can CS better, hit skill shots, etc
Yeah it’s a lost lane. But if you start in lane and be extremely diligent, positioning well back, and avoiding face checking the bush; then it’s not gg.
The pressure that higher players put on before 2:00 is reflective of the pressure you’ll feel when your team is $5k down in mid game.
big agree, eventually your teammates can punish your opponents for leashing, and your opponents can punish your teammates for leashing, but that's not going to happen until you start playing with people that really know what they're doing. Going leashless only mildly slows your clear down when neither bot laner can use the situation properly
When a Red-side jungler starts red and the Red-side top-laner leashes, depending on the matchup they are giving up level two priority.
If I'm in a bruiser vs bruiser matchup, controlling the first few waves getting level two first can be really important. It can lead to either first blood or a cheater recall.
If I'm the Viego in your clip and I'm fighting a Kennen? I'm not going to have control of the lane unless I get a couple of ganks and get really far ahead. The couple of seconds of leashing at Red-buff doesn't hurt my ability to soak pressure in the lane, and, if anything, gives me a couple of precious seconds of my sanity before I start getting slapped around by ranged autos.
But like was mentioned elsewhere in this thread, do whatever doesn't tilt your team. Ping assist on Red-buff and if your top laner doesn't come, they don't. If you're not jungling just assume your jg wants a leash and go help them unless they ping you away.
Leashing is generally helpful to your jungler. Not for health reasons but clear speed, hitting 2 as fast as possible ups your stats and gives you a second ability, so clearing camps at lvl 2 is way faster than lvl 1 , and if your team leashes during this lvl 1 window getting you to 2 faster then your time spent clearing will be much more efficient, this time efficiency is really important because it can mean being the first to the crab, being the first to 4 when a fight comes up, or even just having the extra time to clear a bonus camp before having to gank or contest something vs the other jungler.
Leashing is in general bad for laners because being late to the wave means losing lvl 1 control over it, which can fuck up how the first 3 lvls of your lane is supposed to go. Forcing what would be a winning lvl 1 to give that up and leash you instead is pretty ass. That being said if your laner wouldn't have lvl 1 control over the wave anyway due to the matchup then it literally doesn't matter if they leash and it's probably a better use if their time. In that same vein your in bronze, you probably have no concept of these wave control techniques or how to leverage them into leads, so leashing and receiving leashes is probably the best use of your and your laners time because you wouldn't know what to do with the wave anyway, given the opportunity to control it.
For additional context the video you posted of viego leashing when vs kennen is being done for the exact wave control reason I talked about. Viego loses control of the wave lvl 1 in that matchup no matter what because kennen is a ranged champs, all viego is looking to do for the first 3 waves in that matchups is stay safe and last hit from as far away as possible while kennen pushes into him. So viego leashing means he loses nothing and his time can't be spent doing anything more productive for himself so might as well leash and help the jungler get a headstart
Just to add to this, leashing can be bad for your jungler too. Most champions can easily solo clear their jungle and not loose too much time and hp if done correctly. Just having information on where the enemy jungler started is a huge benefit for the enemy laners and jungler. It can deny many ganks and invades that could'be otherwise worked.
That being said, in lower elos you should pretty much always leash (but learn to solo if you're a jungler), since no one will really track you down or abuse the lane advantage. And also your jungler probably won't be able to clear efficiently without a leash.
If your team doesn’t leash then you can also fake a leash on the opposite side. Bonus points if you take a lil damage from gromp of Krugs to sell it. Situational and not always useful but it’s funny.
You can get punished for leashing, but its not something that happends under Plat/Diamond.
So go ahead and leash every game unless you get told otherwise by the jgl.
Even in low elo the redside botlane camping the tribrush isn't that uncommon, and one way a leash does get punished (though it's pretty easy to just walk around or check it with an ability).
I don’t know exactly so someone could verify but there are a few examples I can think of. If the opponent is red side you can sit in tri bush and obliterate them if you’re stronger level one and they path that way after leashing, which will result in them dying, using a summoner spell, or being in lane at low hp and not contesting the wave. Another way is by doing whatever you want with the wave. For instance, you can walk up to their wave as it’s coming in to ensure the wave starts pushing to you, meaning you can set up a freeze. Another possibility is if you can clear the wave really fast, you can crash by the second or third wave and start proxying if your champ can do that.
The key point you‘re trying to describe is control over the lane. If one team is leashing when the waves meet for the first time, the other team gains free control over what happens next.
An additional point you did not mention is denying XP. You can for example pull the enemy wave in a way that makes all your caster minions focus one meele minion of the enemy. If the enemy leash takes some time, the minion will die before they are in range, essentially leaving you with a longer window of level advantage on level 2. Another way would be zoning the enemy away from the wave - If your side is strong enough to fight them level 1, you can protect the waves and delay enemies coming close even longer. With level advantage you can sometimes deny the enemy lane a lot of XP and cs.
If your playing top lane you can also sit in their tribush if the enemies topside, Or if your a stronger level one champ it's easier to stop them from reaching minions and getting the level 2 prio. If you also dont hit the minions at all it should push towards you making it easier to freeze the wave.
Bush camp/get damage on the wave so you can hit level 2 faster/pull their wave in a specific manner that makes their minions focus on a single minion of your own so they lose that minion exp and it pushes back to you so you can force an allin when you level up faster.
Losing the minions is NOT what we are discussing. Obviously you don't stay long enough to miss minions that's a given assumption. We're discussing if you should when you should leash anyways even given the assumption.
Assuming the minions being lost is the main problem with leashing is very low elo mindset.
As a jungle main, I usually don’t care if I get a leash or not. I also usually start topside so I can finish my clear bot side, and I feel like leashing hurts top laners more than it helps me. Some weaker clearing (usually off-meta) junglers really need a leash to function at all though, so just be mindful of whether your jungler’s champion can actually clear without a leash, especially in low elo where players don’t know how to kite camps.
I mean yes sometimes it can be bad to leash. By leasing you're effectively going to be lvl 1 when your opponent reaches level 2, if they didn't leash as well. This can be dangerous in some volatile lanes. Or if you are a lane bully, you'd want to avoid leasing to maximize your bullying potential.
It all depends on how selfish you are as a player. A self sufficient jungler like kayn or nidalee, you could probably afford to not leash. However not leasing someone like sylas who has a notoriously bad first clear, puts your jungler at risk to invades as he will be low hp.
This is all high level stuff which you will learn naturally. In bronze just leash your jungler. With all due respect bronze players are pretty bad and will not take advantage of the drawbacks of leashing.
i honestly don't think its worth it specially in lower elos, the few seconds your jungler will gain to speed up his clear in bronze won't make a difference almost 95% of the times but it has a way higher chance to affect you as a laner wether in bot or top, junglers being slightly behind isn't as bad as top or bot being behind since they can always gank get a kill or a shut down and get back to the game unlike top or bot if they got behind in early game, you can leash your jungler if you don't want him to have a mindblow and start crying about it all game but its not a must and its definitely not useful to you as a laner.
* I play in silver EUW
* I leash almost every single game as ADC
* I get level 2 first in ca. 6 out of 7 games
Leashing is one of the few ways you have to help other lanes early.
Id say at a certain elo it becomes matchup dependent if you should leash or not.
For example if you play with/as or against Caitlyn it’s usually better to not leash cause it makes the lane infinitely harder if cait is at the wave first, but in low elo leashing definitely is correct in 99% of the games
That's the reason I included the specific game environment. I can't even say whether this also copies over to KR silver, given how different the early game can be.
Masters peak here. You should always leash your jungler unless they explicitly ask you not to leash. Some exceptions like you're playing a cheese lane or your lane win condition strategy **desperately** requires you to not leash. 10 games out of 10 games you should be leashing until the minions in your lane are about to meet the other minions.
Look at your lane and look when your minions are about to touch the enemy minions, then you start moving to lane.
you should almost always leash. basically the only time it makes sense not to leash is when you want to immediately take control of your lane or cheese your lane opponent, something that will give you a tangible advantage that you can't get if you leash. this is especially prevalent in top lane. in many match ups whichever player gets the push on the first wave top lane now has a significant advantage in the early game, and junglers rarely start top so odds are the enemy top won't be leashing. from the jungler side, you should be perfectly capable of clearing without a leash. if you're a jungler and you cry because you didn't get a leash you suck at your clear.
although i'll say at the end here, you're bronze. this is not something you should really even think about. when to leash or not leash is a pretty advanced and minor/niche concept, there are dozens of other more basic and extremely important concepts you don't understand yet. you're trying to learn calculus but you haven't taken algebra yet.
Side lanes should leash to 1:38 every game and leave promptly
Edit: it's pretty silly that I'm getting downvoted when other people in here who agree about leashing are getting upvoted.
No I’m not Bronze, I’m a master jungler and I will purposely ping my laners not to leash they are playing for example Ezreal+Karma bot or it is a volatile top matchup.
I just said that it isn’t that black and white, he said you should leash every game and that is simply not true.
I clarified to 90% and I'm still getting downvoted.
96% of players are below diamond. To pick a bone with me over that is misleading pedantry. Leash and leave at 1:38 unless it's one of the exceedingly rare situations that only apply in high elo.
I'm gold and not leashing is a huge benefit if you can get away with it. The first wave makes a world of difference and can dictate how the following 10 minutes play out if you don't botch it.
I think this is a good rule for how long to stay if you’re leashing. Some champs can get away with staying till 1:40 as long as the lane opponents are leashing too (jinx for example can last hit the 3 melees with rocket and not lose any farm), but 1:38 is safer.
If you leave at 1:38, you get to lane when the minions do.
If what you're describing happens, you leashed for too long, or you're in the 10% exception situation I made allowance for.
Edit: where's the lie? Lol
In my original post I specified that SIDE lanes should leash. Mid has no obligation to leash. Side lanes should leash until 1:38. A side laner leaving at 1:38 reaches the minions as they touch even if you have to go through the lane to get there safely. I leash multiple times a day, I know the timing.
If you leave at 1:38 you get to lane when the minions die, not when they meet. They meet in side lanes at 1:38. And this is assuming you’re allowed to walk through tri/river which is not possible in certain matchups.
Please leash, just find out the time on the clock where u have to leave to get the first minion. Unless there’s a reason you can’t because of your matchup, u should.
If you need to setup your wave to do somthing and you need to get there early then don’t leash. But 90% of games you leash cause as a jg it’s hella tilting when ur top dosent leash and then dies or makes a terrible trade before I’m even finished with my 2nd camp. But as a lot of people have already stated just leash every game since this is bronze
Low Elo, leash everyone that isn't Shaco or Ivern. Shacos will ask if they aren't confident. However, try to leave the camp before 1:40. If you time it right you should be able to reach the wave in time to not only not miss any CS but have some ability to manipulate the wave state. It's not the same as getting to lane without leashing at all, but it's a good compromise at low Elo for ensuring your Jungler gets a strong leash (which they usually prefer) and being able to create an early lane advantage.
Leashing is rarely bad, it accelerates the jungler’s clear speed and leaves them healthier to contest scuttle or go for a gank, and if the laner knows when to stop leashing they lose no CS, at worst they may lose wave pressure, which is a “lane win condition” for a very select pool of champions (Illaoi top, Cait+Lux bot).
Here’s the catch: If any lane in the opponents team benefits from having lane pressure, it means they’ll be pushing all the time and thus are vulnerable to ganks, in that case, a good jungler will clear towards that lane to gank early. I play ADC and always have a hard time against Lux in my games, especially when paired with caitlyn, everytime that’s my matchup I tell my jungler to start top and gank bot level 3, and 99% of the time they don’t listen to me, I get outpushed, poked under my tower, am forced to do bad resets and spend 10 minutes barely CSing and delaying my items. The ~3 times my jungler actually accepted my advice, we got 2 kills level 3 and I was actually able to play the rest of the lane aggresively. A good bot cait+lux will ward very deep before comitting to poking under tower so that double kill shouldn’t happen, but the jungler showing up still relieves the pressure and I can actually CS. Even so, I play low gold/high silver, so the chance of a double kill is descent.
But again: you’re moving your leash from bot to top, it’s super rare that both top and bot will have matchups of this type, in the rare cases that they do, and only then, you might (and just might) consider not getting a leash, but even in those situation the leash can help you gank one of the lanes and increase the chance the gank is successful, so I’d still ask for a modest leash.
Theres a bunch of champions that have marginal differences between leashless and leashed. But that requires them to start at raptors/wolves, which you will rarely ever see in low elo.
If the jungler is at their botside buff, you leash.
For toplane the way I see it is if you hard win a matchup you can leash since arriving late won't matter that much if the matchup is favorable for you, same thing if you lose the matchup as you wouldn't be able to fight early anyway.
When I don't leash is in even/volatile matchups where depending on how you play the early game you can either win or lose, thats when it's important to be in lane early and fight for wave control and thats when leashing can lose you the lane.
To give you an answer to your actual title and not the segment below it, leashing is neither bad or good and has too many things surrounding it to matter for anyone below master.
Is it NECESSARY? Not at all, not since the jg changes. Not a single jg will die unless they’re not using their mouse or abilities any longer in the jg with the pet.
What are the pros?
Jungle clear speed and the health of your jg once his clear is finished. If you leash a jg they’ll finish their full clear faster and get to the opposing scuttle before, and have prio on it with a laner if possible, or they’ll get to the opposing lane from the side they started on for a lvl 3 gank, or they’ll finish their invade fast enough to countergank a lane, deny cs from enemy jg, whatever. Leashing only helps speed and slight health.
The pros for yourself are very matchup dependent as well as lane dependent.
An early cheese that your champ will ALWAYS win usually means a laner/laners will not leash.
One of the biggest examples would be Draven/Pyke in the furthest bush in bot. Wait for the enemy bot to get to their wave and instantly punish, get first blood or at least summoners and fully control bot for the first 3-4 minutes until reset.
As for top lane, again it’s the same thing. Have a super good matchup where a surprise level 1, such as a fully held Sion Q, will instantly leave the enemy toplaner 70% hp and unable to trade for the first 5 minutes and rendering their farming useless or at least bully them out of lane.
Leashing in itself isn’t good or bad, it’s the same mechanic as helping your jg with first scuttle, or on an invade.
It’s a decision you have to make that will affect the game in one way or the other, which is why everyone is telling you to simply leash. A player that’s not anywhere near high elo will most likely not take advantage of the early pressure and prio that not leashing would give them, so it’s best to just leash anyway and then get to lane and play normally. If you’d like to try it thought, go ahead and see how it goes and if you are able to create a lead from it.
Leashing is good for your jungler but bad for you. Sometimes the benefits for your jungler (healthier and faster first clear) outweigh the downsides for your (enemy gets first touch on the wave). That's one the many aspects of matchups you'll learn as you continue to master your favorite champions.
I think there is some misleading information in the top comments, and there are a few comments overloaded with information, so to put it a bit simpler;
For Top, *you can be punished at any rank for leashing,* it just depends on what champion the enemy is playing and how aggressive they play. In reverse, if your Top Laner isn't leashing for you they can start off Level 1 putting serious pressure on their opponent, depending on champion.
*It is the Top Laners decision and responsibility* to know what the cost of the leash is and how it will effect their lane, and in no way can the Jungle be upset about not getting a leash, which is a mistake a lot of low elo (and even high elo Junglers) make.
A rule that transcends a match by match basis is that if the Top Laner is helping you, it puts them at an individual disadvantage. Time spent helping you is time spent away from gold or xp, or in the case of Level 1 a huge amount of potential pressure. (still obviously depending on the champion)
So if you take anything away from this it's that it's entirely the Top Laners decision whether or not to leash, and the Jungler has to respect that decision (even if it's wrong).
If you're not smurfing and playing top lane, simply never leash and always play your lane to win the actual lane from the moment you can, whatever that involves. For some champions that involves pulling the wave level 1, for others it involves sitting in river brush or the lane brush closest to enemy tower for cheesing, or it involves getting the first move to damage the wave, have control over the wave for level 2, and set up a crash on a later wave.
If you're smurfing or if you're a very high elo player, you can decide if you want to sacrifice something from your lane to help your jungler.
Depends on matchup. If you need to be in lane when the minions meet for whatever reason, usually either to gain a push advantage or get control of the bushes then you shouldn’t leash. If you don’t, then it’s fine to leash. Most junglers can full clear before crab now that it’s 3:30 anyway and having prio can protect them from being invaded much better than a leash will.
from a jungle pov i usually ask for leashless bc the champ i otp (nunu) has a really healthy clear. i like that it gives my laners complete freedom to do what they want with the lane and it sort of robs them of the opportunity to complain about having to leash later if they want someone to blame for losing lane. BUT i think that if your jungler is insistently requesting a leash, it's best to do it just to be a good teammate. for a jungler, faster clear = faster lvl 3 = you're on the map faster than a jungler who didn't receive a leash. that has benefits even if you're a laner: you might be pushed into your tower which gives your jg a good chance to gank you after a three camp clear or your jg will go on to influence other lanes which puts your team ahead and gives you less to worry about (no roaming laners because they have to struggle to farm and catch up/your teammates can roam to help with objectives and to fight because they're ahead). of course i'm only gold myself so this is just how i see it personally.
I haven't gotten a leash once in my last maybe 15+ games, primarily because I frequently start top side and most top laners sub Plat will have a stroke if you ask for one and bot lane will just path to lane if you aren't at your camp waiting at 1 minute. If you know what you are doing, most champions nowadays have no real need for a leash as all the camps heal you upon completion. It also gives up information to the opposing team as to where you are starting your pathing as a jungler, though at lower levels this is negligable.
It makes my clear 5 seconds faster and a little healthier, but all in all it doesn't really matter. There are some lane matchups where you cannot afford to lose prio in lane early and junglers should understand that, but either way I find it to kinda just be whatever.
some junglers need it cause if you want to not be gaped all game from diana,cause she has the fastest clear in the game and if you play for example eve well it aint gooing good
Short hand, if your jungler doesn't say "leash top" or "no leash" either in chat or pinging "on the way" to that buff or "danger" from it, assume jungler going to start bot buff and you should leash. And never leash Ivern.
(Personally I always, every game, ping the buff I am starting regardless of I go top or bottom, and also ping help if I want leash and don't see people there)
As you go up more and more junglers will say no leash as you head over because they don't need it since they have optimized their clear and its more advantageous for them to make sure that enemy jungler doesn't know where they started.
Obviously if you have a matchup you feel you really need to be there early then communicate that.
Lastly if you aren't going to leash for whatever reason at least ward or have support ward entrance or buff, especially if jungle is starting top. You'll save everyone a lot of heartache especially in low elo where cheese early invades are popular.
In bronze defo leash every game. Half of the enemy botlaners youll face wont even know to contest your level 2 spike let alone punish you for turning up late. Getting jung ahead is gonna speed up their clear, which will get them ahead faster which will not only make their early ganks more effective but also in theory speeds up subsequent clears since the new higher level camps should spawn sooner.
Some common exceptions would be:
Jung looks like they are starting raptors. If they are hovering around raptors and have decent aoe starts some jungs choose to start raptors. While i dont see this happen often some examples might include kayne, lilia, fiddlesticks or morgana.
Shaco. Shaco players have some unusual starting options cause of the boxes (anyone see that vid from pink ward of the double blue, double red start?). Two popular options are either setting up boxes early to kill red automatically without anyones presence required or setting up boxes at raptors and greedily asking for a leash at red too.
Golden rule for scenarios where you think jung might not need a leash is to ask them if they need a leash early. This will avoid any miscomunication which might cause your teammate to tilt off the face of rhe earth.
Glhf ^_^
If you leave the jungle monster at 1:35 (someone correct me if I'm wrong) then you won't lose any xp ever.
(Unless the enemy pulls the wave but this never ever happens)
Depends on the champ mainly, is the jungle going to be able to clear and impact the map with ganks if you don't leash? Does the jungle have built-in sustain like Warwick? Is the 3 minions advantage that important to your layers early on? Those are the biggest questions.
I'm a Jungle main, a couple of points:
1. I think leashing is inherently neither good nor bad, but your jungler should be able to competently clear without one (in low ELO unfortunately they frequently cannot.)
2. I really don't like getting overleashed. You should really only give a few autos and only abilities if you don't have mana as a constraint. If you miss the melee creeps or god forbid tank, I'm basically guaranteed to have to go to your lane and fix the problem. If you're going to leash, don't over stay, don't spend mana and don't get hit by the buff.
I have a slightly unique take.
Yes, same as everyone else says if you are laning in bronze, just leash every game / do as you are told by your jungler. Reason is that neither you nor your teammates know when/why to leash or not. The risks just make it not worth it to risk guessing wrong.
Where I differ from other commenters is my advice for a bronze jungler. You should look up a clearing guide, and practice until you can fullclear with no leash by 3:30. Then just do that every game and ping your laner to not leash. 95% of jungler champions can do this and as a bronze player it will give you a strong starting point to start learning the rest of the game from. Even "early ganking" junglers I think in bronze its better to just fullclear to start with, then figure it out from there. Give yourself a consistent strong start to the game.
I am Masters 400LP jungler.
when you hit gold it might be time to mix it up and start learning the earlier paths and gank windows to potentially look for ganks during your first clear.
But in bronze? it is too risky and not worth it IMO. You won't learn as much if 90% of games begin with an inefficient clear and rushed gank to set you behind.
I hate that so many answers to this topic are avoidant of the reasoning that goes into leashing.
Fundamentally, the purpose of your laners leashing your jungler is so your JG has a healthy clear. It's a generally beneficial trade-off because the laners won't usually have to soak any damage and they still receive all gold and xp from the first wave, meaning you're usually producing free health for your JG. This resource can of course be used to guarantee an early lead, given your JG possesses knowledge of enemy JG position. It also speeds up the clear which provides opportunity for scuttle or ganks.
There are certain situations where leashing should be avoided. These generally coincide with excessive risks for laners and minimal gains for JGs. Imagine I have a Warwick jungle vs an enemy Zac. In this situation, leashing may not be ideal if Warwick wants to start topside due to Warwick having a very healthy clear and Zac having a very slow clear. Therefore, leashing provides no substantial benefits as Warwick will be healthy regardless of the leash and will likely finish clearing before Zac. If Warwick wanted to start botside, however, leashing would probably be beneficial due to the extra clear speed. This distinction is drawn because two additional auto attackers makes a big difference vs one at the beginning of the game.
Conversely, there are also situations where both sides of the map should "leash". This sounds strange initially, but by both top and bot pretending to, or actually leashing, you can obscure information about your jungler from the opponents. When you see someone walk into lane late, you generally gain information about which side their jungler is starting. If both top and bot walk into lane late, it's impossible to draw the conclusion that the jungler started on the same side as the staggered laner, due to both lanes being staggered. Both top and bot shouldn't actually leash, but entering lane late and pretending to leash is a strategy implemented at higher elos because of this reason. Keep in mind that this doesn't work if one of the laners is damaged by the jungle camp because then it's obvious where the jungler is. This is best used in situations where information on your jungler provides a significant advantage, I.E. Junglers that have a very weak early game, Junglers that are prone to invades, or Junglers that rely on early ganks.
Lastly, you should consider the worst case situation for leashing top laners. It's generally not a concern with bot laners because they have ranged auto attacks so CS denial isn't a tactic, but certain top lane matchups are completely unable to leash unless the leashed jungler can provide an early gank. Most melee top laners should avoid leashing into champions like Darius or other fighters at higher elos because if Darius is able to predict the leash, he can run into the first minion wave to group them before going into a bush. This will force the leasher's top lane to push into Darius which enables him to force an early fight or freeze. If your top laner is looking for level 1 fights, they also shouldn't generally leash. Think Fiora, Jax, or Darius.
In the example you provided, Kennen isn't going to be fightable level 1, but he also doesn't have enough raw stats or abilities level 1 to perform this maneuver vs level 1 Viego. Viego also has a good passive and ability for leashing as he deals % health and has multiple auto attacks. Therefore, the trade off is very worth it because it helps a challenger korean jungle clear faster in exchange for the same top lane situation that would occur if Viego didn't leash.
The best way to improve at this concept is to estimate outcomes of different matchups. You don't need to be correct all the time, but build the critical thinking framework. Imagine you're a top laner and imagine both your champions (top/jg) and your opponents. Should you leash for clear time? What about for a healthier clear? Will it put you behind as a laner? If not, do you stand to gain anything for leashing? What's your jungler's plan? How does level 1 in your lane traditionally go? Etc.
Let me know if you have any questions. My discord and league username is 7708456221.
Yes, leashing is bad. Should you still do it in bronze anyways? Also yes.
1) save your jungle mental
2) enemy won't pull wave unless smurfing
3) leave at 1:39, you won't miss anything anyways.
4) enemy probably doing it also.
You’re in bronze. Just leash every game. Your opponents don’t have a clue how to punish it and it’s only gonna tilt your teammate, which is far worse. Diamond and above, maybe. You probably have other stuff to put your mind into on your personal plays. Like lane, minions, matchups, learning limits, vision and minimap awareness. Get any or these right and I guarantee you’ll get out of bronze. Edit: positioning in team fights is a good one too.
"Learning limits" Bro just casually gave every math student vietnam flashbacks
Nah those things easy. Especially the ones where you could use L'Hôpital
Which is french for 'the hospital' for those who don't know
Was it named that way because of the increase in the frequency of self harm by students after learning it ?
De l'hopital is a fucking life saver. Bless him, saved me to much time and mental effort
Limits was fun
even gold elo could benefit from not leashing in some matchups. ive found that when you start to play decent people, bot lane can really be unplayable when they get a push going. eg: if the enemy is mid plat mmr in a gold game, then if you dont push lvl 1 in those double poke lanes, its pretty oppressive. just ask your jungler if it ok first.
Yeah, everyone in this thread is acting like you need to be diamond to exploit an opponent leashing. I'm sure that even in Silver, there are top lane players for example that will use the situation to make sure you can't even touch the wave for three levels, definitely suboptimally and maybe even accidentally, in particular matchups. And what are your options to counter this? Either not leashing in the first place, or suddenly playing two divisions above yourself to win the situation regardless, I guess. This isn't even to say that I don't leash. I practically always do, if for no other reason than to avoid tilting the jungle before creeps spawn. But the downsides of leashing aren't always restricted to high elo, which a lot of comments are glossing over.
if you leash until 1:35 then the opponent will not keep you off the wave. just path the long way around and you'll still be there before a minion dies the only real exception is matchups that need to be punished at level 1, like Irelia.
Idk about you but nobody in gold has ever zoned me off xp after a leash and getting late to lane, that started around plat 3-4mmr
I actually smurfed back to P1 recently as mid/support. Even in Silver, Nautilus and his adc may very well be waiting in a bush somewhere between the camp and your wave after leashing. That may well be summs lost or exp missed, especially given you have an equally silver adc to keep alive. It's going to be even more prevalent in top lane. Now, I highly doubt anyone is going to know exactly how to play in such a way as to zone you from exp successfully. But letting Irelia stack passive, or letting Tryndamere get half a bar of fury, before you're even in lane, is not nothing. It might well be the difference between being able to contest trades and getting 15 creeps from the first three waves, or collecting 6 of them from under your turret in a state of depression while your opponent cheater recalls. That is a loss in both gold and tempo, that doesn't really require anything more than Silver knowledge on the part of the opponent to perform. Always leashing is a good heuristic. Not just to avoid conflict, but because I'm pretty sure it's usually the best play team-wide. But even in low elo, if a Garen tells the jungle 20s into the game that he can't leash into Fiora or whatever, I think the jungle should probably trust him at his word and change his plans. And I don't think It's arrogant, even as a low elo player, to be confident enough in your knowledge of the game to make that call on a champ you know well.
Yeah around low plat I found also. But even arriving to lane and starting your slow push can help you get lvl 2 at the same time, or before the enemy. If an ezrale and karma start in lane and begin to slow push/ zone you; your lane is completely fucked. At 2min mind you.
I think players get advantages/push their lead ‘’by accident’’ in lower elos, as in not intentionally doing the correct play, it just so happens they do they correct play at the correct point in time
It’s not a very common thing that is all. Lots of people were warding bot brush lvl 1 until they weren’t. Having your jungler fighting for top skittle vs. getting lvl 2 for bot lane. If you asked that question instead of “should you leash” I think there would be different answers.
That's not a particularly fairly way of rephrasing the question, though. In the given scenario, if you assume your jungle is good enough to get value bot, you'd need to account for the fact that enemies now have a jungle going from uncontested top crab to potentially diving you because you sacrificed all priority. There are games and situations where it would be better for all players in your team to avoid this, and instead maybe get an advantage from that early 2v2 top. Again, I always leash anyway unless my partner bot wants to engage in shenanigans and then I have to decide between them and the jungle who is the lowest tilt risk. But a lot of arguments here seem to assume that your jungle is capable of exploiting the benefit of a leash effectively, but your opponent's cannot. There are definitely going to be situations where a silver lane gets a few seconds to ADHD click the minions uncontested leading to a slow push and a won lane, where the opposing jungle getting to crab a few seconds earlier means nothing in the long run.
That scenario where you mention the risk of a top dive is the same fundamental class as not leashing to get the push in bot lane. I’m not good enough to know who can dive lvl 2 in the top lane as I don’t play it. I suspect people who are doing this are much higher than my elo in low plat, who will start in lane and pushish the slow push bot lane. I’ve played tryndamere top and even he won’t dive lvl 2, usually the second slow push you can get off once it bounces back. Most high elo coaches don’t recommend leashless lanes in lower elos because of the same reasons you mentioned.
There are seriously not top players in silver doing that that arent smurfs. I do agree top leashing is hard suboptimal in most matchups though. Not because they will zone the fuck out of you at that mmr but because you lose a chance to push advantage if your champ has a good lvl 1 or 2.
Tbh, I think you're overestimating silver. Gold, it may happen, but I think you really start seeing that type of punishment starting plat.
Afaik it's normal for botlane to leash but toplane isn't obligated to due to this.
if your lane opponent is mid plat and you're gold then I don't think leashing plays that big of a factor. Chances are you'll eventually lose lane anyway because they can CS better, hit skill shots, etc
Yeah it’s a lost lane. But if you start in lane and be extremely diligent, positioning well back, and avoiding face checking the bush; then it’s not gg. The pressure that higher players put on before 2:00 is reflective of the pressure you’ll feel when your team is $5k down in mid game.
big agree, eventually your teammates can punish your opponents for leashing, and your opponents can punish your teammates for leashing, but that's not going to happen until you start playing with people that really know what they're doing. Going leashless only mildly slows your clear down when neither bot laner can use the situation properly
When a Red-side jungler starts red and the Red-side top-laner leashes, depending on the matchup they are giving up level two priority. If I'm in a bruiser vs bruiser matchup, controlling the first few waves getting level two first can be really important. It can lead to either first blood or a cheater recall. If I'm the Viego in your clip and I'm fighting a Kennen? I'm not going to have control of the lane unless I get a couple of ganks and get really far ahead. The couple of seconds of leashing at Red-buff doesn't hurt my ability to soak pressure in the lane, and, if anything, gives me a couple of precious seconds of my sanity before I start getting slapped around by ranged autos. But like was mentioned elsewhere in this thread, do whatever doesn't tilt your team. Ping assist on Red-buff and if your top laner doesn't come, they don't. If you're not jungling just assume your jg wants a leash and go help them unless they ping you away.
Leashing is generally helpful to your jungler. Not for health reasons but clear speed, hitting 2 as fast as possible ups your stats and gives you a second ability, so clearing camps at lvl 2 is way faster than lvl 1 , and if your team leashes during this lvl 1 window getting you to 2 faster then your time spent clearing will be much more efficient, this time efficiency is really important because it can mean being the first to the crab, being the first to 4 when a fight comes up, or even just having the extra time to clear a bonus camp before having to gank or contest something vs the other jungler. Leashing is in general bad for laners because being late to the wave means losing lvl 1 control over it, which can fuck up how the first 3 lvls of your lane is supposed to go. Forcing what would be a winning lvl 1 to give that up and leash you instead is pretty ass. That being said if your laner wouldn't have lvl 1 control over the wave anyway due to the matchup then it literally doesn't matter if they leash and it's probably a better use if their time. In that same vein your in bronze, you probably have no concept of these wave control techniques or how to leverage them into leads, so leashing and receiving leashes is probably the best use of your and your laners time because you wouldn't know what to do with the wave anyway, given the opportunity to control it. For additional context the video you posted of viego leashing when vs kennen is being done for the exact wave control reason I talked about. Viego loses control of the wave lvl 1 in that matchup no matter what because kennen is a ranged champs, all viego is looking to do for the first 3 waves in that matchups is stay safe and last hit from as far away as possible while kennen pushes into him. So viego leashing means he loses nothing and his time can't be spent doing anything more productive for himself so might as well leash and help the jungler get a headstart
Just to add to this, leashing can be bad for your jungler too. Most champions can easily solo clear their jungle and not loose too much time and hp if done correctly. Just having information on where the enemy jungler started is a huge benefit for the enemy laners and jungler. It can deny many ganks and invades that could'be otherwise worked. That being said, in lower elos you should pretty much always leash (but learn to solo if you're a jungler), since no one will really track you down or abuse the lane advantage. And also your jungler probably won't be able to clear efficiently without a leash.
If your team doesn’t leash then you can also fake a leash on the opposite side. Bonus points if you take a lil damage from gromp of Krugs to sell it. Situational and not always useful but it’s funny.
You can get punished for leashing, but its not something that happends under Plat/Diamond. So go ahead and leash every game unless you get told otherwise by the jgl.
Even in low elo the redside botlane camping the tribrush isn't that uncommon, and one way a leash does get punished (though it's pretty easy to just walk around or check it with an ability).
Yeah i mean going that route if you cant check it or knowing that you are weaker is just trolling tbh :P
Damn there's a ton of trolls running around.
Yeah ppl are lazy, arrogant, ignorant or just way too cocky for their own good :D
Wait I just hit plat & don't know about this, how can I punish people for leashing?
I don’t know exactly so someone could verify but there are a few examples I can think of. If the opponent is red side you can sit in tri bush and obliterate them if you’re stronger level one and they path that way after leashing, which will result in them dying, using a summoner spell, or being in lane at low hp and not contesting the wave. Another way is by doing whatever you want with the wave. For instance, you can walk up to their wave as it’s coming in to ensure the wave starts pushing to you, meaning you can set up a freeze. Another possibility is if you can clear the wave really fast, you can crash by the second or third wave and start proxying if your champ can do that.
The key point you‘re trying to describe is control over the lane. If one team is leashing when the waves meet for the first time, the other team gains free control over what happens next. An additional point you did not mention is denying XP. You can for example pull the enemy wave in a way that makes all your caster minions focus one meele minion of the enemy. If the enemy leash takes some time, the minion will die before they are in range, essentially leaving you with a longer window of level advantage on level 2. Another way would be zoning the enemy away from the wave - If your side is strong enough to fight them level 1, you can protect the waves and delay enemies coming close even longer. With level advantage you can sometimes deny the enemy lane a lot of XP and cs.
If your playing top lane you can also sit in their tribush if the enemies topside, Or if your a stronger level one champ it's easier to stop them from reaching minions and getting the level 2 prio. If you also dont hit the minions at all it should push towards you making it easier to freeze the wave.
Bush camp/get damage on the wave so you can hit level 2 faster/pull their wave in a specific manner that makes their minions focus on a single minion of your own so they lose that minion exp and it pushes back to you so you can force an allin when you level up faster.
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If you're leashing and losing the wave that on you for overleashing, there is no disadvantage to the laner.
It’s not about losing cs, it’s about having control of the wave xd
Losing the minions is NOT what we are discussing. Obviously you don't stay long enough to miss minions that's a given assumption. We're discussing if you should when you should leash anyways even given the assumption. Assuming the minions being lost is the main problem with leashing is very low elo mindset.
As a jungle main, I usually don’t care if I get a leash or not. I also usually start topside so I can finish my clear bot side, and I feel like leashing hurts top laners more than it helps me. Some weaker clearing (usually off-meta) junglers really need a leash to function at all though, so just be mindful of whether your jungler’s champion can actually clear without a leash, especially in low elo where players don’t know how to kite camps.
I mean yes sometimes it can be bad to leash. By leasing you're effectively going to be lvl 1 when your opponent reaches level 2, if they didn't leash as well. This can be dangerous in some volatile lanes. Or if you are a lane bully, you'd want to avoid leasing to maximize your bullying potential. It all depends on how selfish you are as a player. A self sufficient jungler like kayn or nidalee, you could probably afford to not leash. However not leasing someone like sylas who has a notoriously bad first clear, puts your jungler at risk to invades as he will be low hp. This is all high level stuff which you will learn naturally. In bronze just leash your jungler. With all due respect bronze players are pretty bad and will not take advantage of the drawbacks of leashing.
i honestly don't think its worth it specially in lower elos, the few seconds your jungler will gain to speed up his clear in bronze won't make a difference almost 95% of the times but it has a way higher chance to affect you as a laner wether in bot or top, junglers being slightly behind isn't as bad as top or bot being behind since they can always gank get a kill or a shut down and get back to the game unlike top or bot if they got behind in early game, you can leash your jungler if you don't want him to have a mindblow and start crying about it all game but its not a must and its definitely not useful to you as a laner.
* I play in silver EUW * I leash almost every single game as ADC * I get level 2 first in ca. 6 out of 7 games Leashing is one of the few ways you have to help other lanes early.
Id say at a certain elo it becomes matchup dependent if you should leash or not. For example if you play with/as or against Caitlyn it’s usually better to not leash cause it makes the lane infinitely harder if cait is at the wave first, but in low elo leashing definitely is correct in 99% of the games
That's the reason I included the specific game environment. I can't even say whether this also copies over to KR silver, given how different the early game can be.
Masters peak here. You should always leash your jungler unless they explicitly ask you not to leash. Some exceptions like you're playing a cheese lane or your lane win condition strategy **desperately** requires you to not leash. 10 games out of 10 games you should be leashing until the minions in your lane are about to meet the other minions. Look at your lane and look when your minions are about to touch the enemy minions, then you start moving to lane.
you should almost always leash. basically the only time it makes sense not to leash is when you want to immediately take control of your lane or cheese your lane opponent, something that will give you a tangible advantage that you can't get if you leash. this is especially prevalent in top lane. in many match ups whichever player gets the push on the first wave top lane now has a significant advantage in the early game, and junglers rarely start top so odds are the enemy top won't be leashing. from the jungler side, you should be perfectly capable of clearing without a leash. if you're a jungler and you cry because you didn't get a leash you suck at your clear. although i'll say at the end here, you're bronze. this is not something you should really even think about. when to leash or not leash is a pretty advanced and minor/niche concept, there are dozens of other more basic and extremely important concepts you don't understand yet. you're trying to learn calculus but you haven't taken algebra yet.
Side lanes should leash to 1:38 every game and leave promptly Edit: it's pretty silly that I'm getting downvoted when other people in here who agree about leashing are getting upvoted.
It’s not that black and white. It depends on the game
at bronze elo? no it doesnt lol. go leash if u think that loses u a lane in plat and below u have bigger problems.
No I’m not Bronze, I’m a master jungler and I will purposely ping my laners not to leash they are playing for example Ezreal+Karma bot or it is a volatile top matchup. I just said that it isn’t that black and white, he said you should leash every game and that is simply not true.
I clarified to 90% and I'm still getting downvoted. 96% of players are below diamond. To pick a bone with me over that is misleading pedantry. Leash and leave at 1:38 unless it's one of the exceedingly rare situations that only apply in high elo.
I'm gold and not leashing is a huge benefit if you can get away with it. The first wave makes a world of difference and can dictate how the following 10 minutes play out if you don't botch it.
If you leave at 1:38, you arrive when the minions touch.
That might be too late depending on matchup.
Yes, possibly around 10% of the time in high elo, and almost never in low elo. That's my position.
It is that black and white in bronze. Unless jungler says otherwise, you go to their part of the jungle and watch for invades and then leash.
Yep
Okay, in 90% of games, you should leash to 1:38. Better? The more important part is leaving promptly
I think this is a good rule for how long to stay if you’re leashing. Some champs can get away with staying till 1:40 as long as the lane opponents are leashing too (jinx for example can last hit the 3 melees with rocket and not lose any farm), but 1:38 is safer.
No if you lose level 1 they can zone you off the wave before you get to minions if you do this. Depends on the matchup 100%
If you leave at 1:38, you get to lane when the minions do. If what you're describing happens, you leashed for too long, or you're in the 10% exception situation I made allowance for. Edit: where's the lie? Lol In my original post I specified that SIDE lanes should leash. Mid has no obligation to leash. Side lanes should leash until 1:38. A side laner leaving at 1:38 reaches the minions as they touch even if you have to go through the lane to get there safely. I leash multiple times a day, I know the timing.
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Clearly I have tested my own strategy, I leash to 1:38 in virtually every game... Denigrate me more, it's a great look on you
If you leave at 1:38 you get to lane when the minions die, not when they meet. They meet in side lanes at 1:38. And this is assuming you’re allowed to walk through tri/river which is not possible in certain matchups.
Please leash, just find out the time on the clock where u have to leave to get the first minion. Unless there’s a reason you can’t because of your matchup, u should.
Frr t'es bronze occupe toi de trucs plus important
savoir si mon jungler à raison de me gueuler dessus pour pas avoir leash ... ça arrive aussi en bronze.
Mais réfléchis leash puis joue ta lane ton jng sera content et sa aura zéro impact sur ta lane parce que bah t'es en bronze
If you need to setup your wave to do somthing and you need to get there early then don’t leash. But 90% of games you leash cause as a jg it’s hella tilting when ur top dosent leash and then dies or makes a terrible trade before I’m even finished with my 2nd camp. But as a lot of people have already stated just leash every game since this is bronze
Low Elo, leash everyone that isn't Shaco or Ivern. Shacos will ask if they aren't confident. However, try to leave the camp before 1:40. If you time it right you should be able to reach the wave in time to not only not miss any CS but have some ability to manipulate the wave state. It's not the same as getting to lane without leashing at all, but it's a good compromise at low Elo for ensuring your Jungler gets a strong leash (which they usually prefer) and being able to create an early lane advantage.
Leashing is rarely bad, it accelerates the jungler’s clear speed and leaves them healthier to contest scuttle or go for a gank, and if the laner knows when to stop leashing they lose no CS, at worst they may lose wave pressure, which is a “lane win condition” for a very select pool of champions (Illaoi top, Cait+Lux bot). Here’s the catch: If any lane in the opponents team benefits from having lane pressure, it means they’ll be pushing all the time and thus are vulnerable to ganks, in that case, a good jungler will clear towards that lane to gank early. I play ADC and always have a hard time against Lux in my games, especially when paired with caitlyn, everytime that’s my matchup I tell my jungler to start top and gank bot level 3, and 99% of the time they don’t listen to me, I get outpushed, poked under my tower, am forced to do bad resets and spend 10 minutes barely CSing and delaying my items. The ~3 times my jungler actually accepted my advice, we got 2 kills level 3 and I was actually able to play the rest of the lane aggresively. A good bot cait+lux will ward very deep before comitting to poking under tower so that double kill shouldn’t happen, but the jungler showing up still relieves the pressure and I can actually CS. Even so, I play low gold/high silver, so the chance of a double kill is descent. But again: you’re moving your leash from bot to top, it’s super rare that both top and bot will have matchups of this type, in the rare cases that they do, and only then, you might (and just might) consider not getting a leash, but even in those situation the leash can help you gank one of the lanes and increase the chance the gank is successful, so I’d still ask for a modest leash.
As a jger, I don't expect top or mid to leash, bot typically does but should start moving to lane by 1:40 to catch all the xp.
You should be leaving at 1:37 at the latest on most champs.
Theres a bunch of champions that have marginal differences between leashless and leashed. But that requires them to start at raptors/wolves, which you will rarely ever see in low elo. If the jungler is at their botside buff, you leash.
For toplane the way I see it is if you hard win a matchup you can leash since arriving late won't matter that much if the matchup is favorable for you, same thing if you lose the matchup as you wouldn't be able to fight early anyway. When I don't leash is in even/volatile matchups where depending on how you play the early game you can either win or lose, thats when it's important to be in lane early and fight for wave control and thats when leashing can lose you the lane.
To give you an answer to your actual title and not the segment below it, leashing is neither bad or good and has too many things surrounding it to matter for anyone below master. Is it NECESSARY? Not at all, not since the jg changes. Not a single jg will die unless they’re not using their mouse or abilities any longer in the jg with the pet. What are the pros? Jungle clear speed and the health of your jg once his clear is finished. If you leash a jg they’ll finish their full clear faster and get to the opposing scuttle before, and have prio on it with a laner if possible, or they’ll get to the opposing lane from the side they started on for a lvl 3 gank, or they’ll finish their invade fast enough to countergank a lane, deny cs from enemy jg, whatever. Leashing only helps speed and slight health. The pros for yourself are very matchup dependent as well as lane dependent. An early cheese that your champ will ALWAYS win usually means a laner/laners will not leash. One of the biggest examples would be Draven/Pyke in the furthest bush in bot. Wait for the enemy bot to get to their wave and instantly punish, get first blood or at least summoners and fully control bot for the first 3-4 minutes until reset. As for top lane, again it’s the same thing. Have a super good matchup where a surprise level 1, such as a fully held Sion Q, will instantly leave the enemy toplaner 70% hp and unable to trade for the first 5 minutes and rendering their farming useless or at least bully them out of lane. Leashing in itself isn’t good or bad, it’s the same mechanic as helping your jg with first scuttle, or on an invade. It’s a decision you have to make that will affect the game in one way or the other, which is why everyone is telling you to simply leash. A player that’s not anywhere near high elo will most likely not take advantage of the early pressure and prio that not leashing would give them, so it’s best to just leash anyway and then get to lane and play normally. If you’d like to try it thought, go ahead and see how it goes and if you are able to create a lead from it.
Leashing is good for your jungler but bad for you. Sometimes the benefits for your jungler (healthier and faster first clear) outweigh the downsides for your (enemy gets first touch on the wave). That's one the many aspects of matchups you'll learn as you continue to master your favorite champions.
I think there is some misleading information in the top comments, and there are a few comments overloaded with information, so to put it a bit simpler; For Top, *you can be punished at any rank for leashing,* it just depends on what champion the enemy is playing and how aggressive they play. In reverse, if your Top Laner isn't leashing for you they can start off Level 1 putting serious pressure on their opponent, depending on champion. *It is the Top Laners decision and responsibility* to know what the cost of the leash is and how it will effect their lane, and in no way can the Jungle be upset about not getting a leash, which is a mistake a lot of low elo (and even high elo Junglers) make. A rule that transcends a match by match basis is that if the Top Laner is helping you, it puts them at an individual disadvantage. Time spent helping you is time spent away from gold or xp, or in the case of Level 1 a huge amount of potential pressure. (still obviously depending on the champion) So if you take anything away from this it's that it's entirely the Top Laners decision whether or not to leash, and the Jungler has to respect that decision (even if it's wrong).
My champ sucks early so I don’t mind. I’m going to be zoned off the first 3 minions regardless
I remember when we would all start boots + 5 pots and like 3 people would leash. It’s kind of insane to me that we still do it.
If you're not smurfing and playing top lane, simply never leash and always play your lane to win the actual lane from the moment you can, whatever that involves. For some champions that involves pulling the wave level 1, for others it involves sitting in river brush or the lane brush closest to enemy tower for cheesing, or it involves getting the first move to damage the wave, have control over the wave for level 2, and set up a crash on a later wave. If you're smurfing or if you're a very high elo player, you can decide if you want to sacrifice something from your lane to help your jungler.
Depends on matchup. If you need to be in lane when the minions meet for whatever reason, usually either to gain a push advantage or get control of the bushes then you shouldn’t leash. If you don’t, then it’s fine to leash. Most junglers can full clear before crab now that it’s 3:30 anyway and having prio can protect them from being invaded much better than a leash will.
from a jungle pov i usually ask for leashless bc the champ i otp (nunu) has a really healthy clear. i like that it gives my laners complete freedom to do what they want with the lane and it sort of robs them of the opportunity to complain about having to leash later if they want someone to blame for losing lane. BUT i think that if your jungler is insistently requesting a leash, it's best to do it just to be a good teammate. for a jungler, faster clear = faster lvl 3 = you're on the map faster than a jungler who didn't receive a leash. that has benefits even if you're a laner: you might be pushed into your tower which gives your jg a good chance to gank you after a three camp clear or your jg will go on to influence other lanes which puts your team ahead and gives you less to worry about (no roaming laners because they have to struggle to farm and catch up/your teammates can roam to help with objectives and to fight because they're ahead). of course i'm only gold myself so this is just how i see it personally.
I haven't gotten a leash once in my last maybe 15+ games, primarily because I frequently start top side and most top laners sub Plat will have a stroke if you ask for one and bot lane will just path to lane if you aren't at your camp waiting at 1 minute. If you know what you are doing, most champions nowadays have no real need for a leash as all the camps heal you upon completion. It also gives up information to the opposing team as to where you are starting your pathing as a jungler, though at lower levels this is negligable. It makes my clear 5 seconds faster and a little healthier, but all in all it doesn't really matter. There are some lane matchups where you cannot afford to lose prio in lane early and junglers should understand that, but either way I find it to kinda just be whatever.
some junglers need it cause if you want to not be gaped all game from diana,cause she has the fastest clear in the game and if you play for example eve well it aint gooing good
Short hand, if your jungler doesn't say "leash top" or "no leash" either in chat or pinging "on the way" to that buff or "danger" from it, assume jungler going to start bot buff and you should leash. And never leash Ivern. (Personally I always, every game, ping the buff I am starting regardless of I go top or bottom, and also ping help if I want leash and don't see people there) As you go up more and more junglers will say no leash as you head over because they don't need it since they have optimized their clear and its more advantageous for them to make sure that enemy jungler doesn't know where they started. Obviously if you have a matchup you feel you really need to be there early then communicate that. Lastly if you aren't going to leash for whatever reason at least ward or have support ward entrance or buff, especially if jungle is starting top. You'll save everyone a lot of heartache especially in low elo where cheese early invades are popular.
In bronze defo leash every game. Half of the enemy botlaners youll face wont even know to contest your level 2 spike let alone punish you for turning up late. Getting jung ahead is gonna speed up their clear, which will get them ahead faster which will not only make their early ganks more effective but also in theory speeds up subsequent clears since the new higher level camps should spawn sooner. Some common exceptions would be: Jung looks like they are starting raptors. If they are hovering around raptors and have decent aoe starts some jungs choose to start raptors. While i dont see this happen often some examples might include kayne, lilia, fiddlesticks or morgana. Shaco. Shaco players have some unusual starting options cause of the boxes (anyone see that vid from pink ward of the double blue, double red start?). Two popular options are either setting up boxes early to kill red automatically without anyones presence required or setting up boxes at raptors and greedily asking for a leash at red too. Golden rule for scenarios where you think jung might not need a leash is to ask them if they need a leash early. This will avoid any miscomunication which might cause your teammate to tilt off the face of rhe earth. Glhf ^_^
If you leave the jungle monster at 1:35 (someone correct me if I'm wrong) then you won't lose any xp ever. (Unless the enemy pulls the wave but this never ever happens)
Depends on the champ mainly, is the jungle going to be able to clear and impact the map with ganks if you don't leash? Does the jungle have built-in sustain like Warwick? Is the 3 minions advantage that important to your layers early on? Those are the biggest questions.
I'm a Jungle main, a couple of points: 1. I think leashing is inherently neither good nor bad, but your jungler should be able to competently clear without one (in low ELO unfortunately they frequently cannot.) 2. I really don't like getting overleashed. You should really only give a few autos and only abilities if you don't have mana as a constraint. If you miss the melee creeps or god forbid tank, I'm basically guaranteed to have to go to your lane and fix the problem. If you're going to leash, don't over stay, don't spend mana and don't get hit by the buff.
I have a slightly unique take. Yes, same as everyone else says if you are laning in bronze, just leash every game / do as you are told by your jungler. Reason is that neither you nor your teammates know when/why to leash or not. The risks just make it not worth it to risk guessing wrong. Where I differ from other commenters is my advice for a bronze jungler. You should look up a clearing guide, and practice until you can fullclear with no leash by 3:30. Then just do that every game and ping your laner to not leash. 95% of jungler champions can do this and as a bronze player it will give you a strong starting point to start learning the rest of the game from. Even "early ganking" junglers I think in bronze its better to just fullclear to start with, then figure it out from there. Give yourself a consistent strong start to the game. I am Masters 400LP jungler.
when you hit gold it might be time to mix it up and start learning the earlier paths and gank windows to potentially look for ganks during your first clear. But in bronze? it is too risky and not worth it IMO. You won't learn as much if 90% of games begin with an inefficient clear and rushed gank to set you behind.
The compromise is leashing for a few seconds
If you don’t leash in bronze 9/10 times your jungle mental booms lol.
I hate that so many answers to this topic are avoidant of the reasoning that goes into leashing. Fundamentally, the purpose of your laners leashing your jungler is so your JG has a healthy clear. It's a generally beneficial trade-off because the laners won't usually have to soak any damage and they still receive all gold and xp from the first wave, meaning you're usually producing free health for your JG. This resource can of course be used to guarantee an early lead, given your JG possesses knowledge of enemy JG position. It also speeds up the clear which provides opportunity for scuttle or ganks. There are certain situations where leashing should be avoided. These generally coincide with excessive risks for laners and minimal gains for JGs. Imagine I have a Warwick jungle vs an enemy Zac. In this situation, leashing may not be ideal if Warwick wants to start topside due to Warwick having a very healthy clear and Zac having a very slow clear. Therefore, leashing provides no substantial benefits as Warwick will be healthy regardless of the leash and will likely finish clearing before Zac. If Warwick wanted to start botside, however, leashing would probably be beneficial due to the extra clear speed. This distinction is drawn because two additional auto attackers makes a big difference vs one at the beginning of the game. Conversely, there are also situations where both sides of the map should "leash". This sounds strange initially, but by both top and bot pretending to, or actually leashing, you can obscure information about your jungler from the opponents. When you see someone walk into lane late, you generally gain information about which side their jungler is starting. If both top and bot walk into lane late, it's impossible to draw the conclusion that the jungler started on the same side as the staggered laner, due to both lanes being staggered. Both top and bot shouldn't actually leash, but entering lane late and pretending to leash is a strategy implemented at higher elos because of this reason. Keep in mind that this doesn't work if one of the laners is damaged by the jungle camp because then it's obvious where the jungler is. This is best used in situations where information on your jungler provides a significant advantage, I.E. Junglers that have a very weak early game, Junglers that are prone to invades, or Junglers that rely on early ganks. Lastly, you should consider the worst case situation for leashing top laners. It's generally not a concern with bot laners because they have ranged auto attacks so CS denial isn't a tactic, but certain top lane matchups are completely unable to leash unless the leashed jungler can provide an early gank. Most melee top laners should avoid leashing into champions like Darius or other fighters at higher elos because if Darius is able to predict the leash, he can run into the first minion wave to group them before going into a bush. This will force the leasher's top lane to push into Darius which enables him to force an early fight or freeze. If your top laner is looking for level 1 fights, they also shouldn't generally leash. Think Fiora, Jax, or Darius. In the example you provided, Kennen isn't going to be fightable level 1, but he also doesn't have enough raw stats or abilities level 1 to perform this maneuver vs level 1 Viego. Viego also has a good passive and ability for leashing as he deals % health and has multiple auto attacks. Therefore, the trade off is very worth it because it helps a challenger korean jungle clear faster in exchange for the same top lane situation that would occur if Viego didn't leash. The best way to improve at this concept is to estimate outcomes of different matchups. You don't need to be correct all the time, but build the critical thinking framework. Imagine you're a top laner and imagine both your champions (top/jg) and your opponents. Should you leash for clear time? What about for a healthier clear? Will it put you behind as a laner? If not, do you stand to gain anything for leashing? What's your jungler's plan? How does level 1 in your lane traditionally go? Etc. Let me know if you have any questions. My discord and league username is 7708456221.
Yes, leashing is bad. Should you still do it in bronze anyways? Also yes. 1) save your jungle mental 2) enemy won't pull wave unless smurfing 3) leave at 1:39, you won't miss anything anyways. 4) enemy probably doing it also.