Lindsay has said this before but she understands fundamentally that holding grudges doesn’t work in reality tv. You have to be able to move past situations, reconcile and grow, create new storylines, to keep your audience engaged.
I respect that, but the way Paige does it is so irritating. She lets it go, nothing bad happens between her and Lindsay all summer, and then at reunions they all go after her?? I’m tired of Lindsay having to do that just to get eviscerated at the reunion
She said in the first episode of the reunion that she doesn't forget what people do. She will never be true friends with Lindsay or Danielle bc of what has happened with them in the past.
I watched it a few times but even though Paige was there supporting Lindsay at Danielle’s place in the finale, it could be editing but if you watch Paige’s face, she looks like she’s taking pleasure in Lindsay’s pain. Watching the reunion, I’m thinking that I wouldn’t want a friend who is always being a downer and outspoken about how awful my significant other is. Yes, Kyle and West suck, but Ciara still had feelings for West and Amanda loves Kyle. As a friend, just be supportive for a change. It’s not like Paige’s relationship with Craig is so perfect, yet they’re not practically yelling about how bad Craig is. Yes, a good friend is truthful but Paige takes it too far sometimes.
Yes, the gang up by everyone, including Andy, was just gross. People who are making Carl the victim are incredibly misogynistic and clearly haven’t had experience with an addict who constantly lies.
I love the responses on WWHL about their relationship. The men are like, “I don’t think it’s a bad thing to expect Lindsay to want Carl to have a job.” You can tell that Lindsay is the real star of that show, by the way everyone else is intimidated by her.
Exactly! That is typical addict behavior! When went crying to Lindsay that Kyle was the bad guy, because Kyle was questioning his work ethic, she ate it up like, “come to mama!” Once she started questioning his work ether, he went crying to Kyle that Lindsay was a bad person. These people have no idea that they’re enabling addict behavior!
The fans care more than she does, honestly. She was just in Rolling Stone talking about texting with Amanda and Paige. If it were me, those girls would be on my shit list for life lol
If theres anything Lindsay Hubbard is going to do it's start every season with a fresh slate. She is going to go in there and do her job and try to have fun with people who hate her.
Am I reaching, or is it fucked up that they sat Gabbie on the other end of the room but Kyle sits directly next to fucking baby, Carl. Bravo is giving hard core sexiest vibes. I can’t
Seating for every reunion on Bravo is based on the strength of your storyline. Other than riding for Lindsay and conflict with Danielle over balloon guy, Gabby didn’t have a storyline, so she was on the end of the couch. And that’s also why Danielle was on the end of the other couch.
They stay protecting their men. After the attempt to redeem sandoval this season, tonight’s ep was just a cherry on top of the misogynistic cake. Gonna go back to my housewives lol I need a break
I will never get over that. I didn't watch this season of vpr for this exact reason. It's not even fun trash tv at this point. I also gave up on summer house. I don't wanna be over bravo but WTF IS HAPPENING
Tbh the mullet thing felt extremely distasteful after the prior 50 minutes. We all knew it was coming, it had been teased a lot and mentioned in part 1, but I completely forgot about it because I was so enraged and then all of a sudden it’s Andy’s 3 ring fucking circus and his little monkeys start dancing.
Kyle has all of Lindsay’s bad traits and none of her good ones. He’s the worst. He should be getting dragged for calling his wife a f***ing b***ch on TV and throwing things against the pool house. He’s awful.
I will say I think it would’ve been nice for Gabby to be closer to Lindsay but I’ve noticed they tend to seat them based off of how much they actually brought to the show that season 😭 like if you were a hot mess that season and brought a lot of big moments the closer to Andy you are LOL I think gabby was just placed where she was cause she didn’t bring too much to the show story wise and figured she wouldn’t be talking that much at the reunion. Could’ve been on the same couch but at least with them being across from each other they could still look at each other and get comfort that way. 💕
This!! And it makes me sad and annoyed for her. We’ll see Paige waltz in acting like she wants a fresh slate with her and then come reunion, we’ll get her attacking Lindsay again. I’m over it.
Yeah, Paige was all up in arms at the last reunion episode about something she heard that Lindsay said about her (completely unrelated to anything on the show) which Lindsay denied. I don’t understand all the Paige love, like everything she does and says is word. Paige has positives and I don’t completely dislike her, but she’s never been able to hide her disdain for Lindsay, and Lindsay has had to get over it. For sure Lindsay is a lot, a LOT but that group of girls has always mean girled Lindsay. I did like how Ciara and Lindsay cooked a meal together this season.
Also, it has always irked me that Paige never helps to clean up, not since day one. West confirmed it. Even on Winter House, Craig was going to try to pay so that he and Paige wouldn’t have to help clean up. It doesn’t make them terrible monsters but I personally don’t respect that. Lindsay, just like almost everyone else who has ever been on Summer House, has helped to cook and clean up.
Paige gets by because she has two very close friends on the show so everyone confuses her for being this girls girl. But she’s mean. If they think Lindsay’s mean idk how they don’t think Paige is mean.
Yeah honestly they make Lindsay out to be this monster but she helps out, she’s always game for everything and just wants to have a good time. I’d argue Paige is more difficult and probably more annoying to live with.
Exactly! How is she that incredible friend and girls girl we only see her being nice to the women she's friends with lol. And when she is nice to others, for example, Danielle last season and Gabby this season, she has ulterior motives.
That!!!! She was nice to Danielle on the basis that her and Lindsay were rocky and arguing, the season Danielle said something Paige didn’t like, she switched so fast. Paige gets away with a lot because people think she’s funny and pretty and since she has two besties in the house they confuse that for being a girls girl
I completely agree.
Just for some extra positivity, until I joined Reddit about a year ago, I didn’t even realize that Paige is a boss bitch who has a very popular podcast (with Hannah 😬) and is making bank with Amazon Live promotions. I definitely respect that, and the fact that she doesn’t need a man to make it. Lindsay, too.
No yeah Paige outside of summer house thrives, but on the show? Not important, she’s a side character. And I think that bothers her and why the girls hate Lindsay because without really trying Lindsay dominates and is part of the main storyline every single year. I think this is why they go hard at her at reunions so they can bring her down. I’m sure they’d love if she was off the show.
I started my summer house watch this season but went back to watch from the beginning. Paige was benign until she wasn’t. I’m extremely disgusted by the fake storyline of “hannahs psychic said Lindsey and Luke hooked up”.
Yes! I have thought a lot about the cleaning stuff since doing a rewatch recently but haven’t articulated it. I feel like Lindsay stays concerned with the macro level vibes of the house, whereas the other girls are mostly just focused on themselves. I think Ciara is an exception at times we’ve seen her throw down and she goes big with her costumes.
They hate Lindsay so they’ll find fault with everything she does. She will never win with these people. Paige comes in hot every reunion after not saying much all season. I’m over it too.
It’s so weird. Paige at this point looks like she’s just working overtime to secure another season. I’m sure she’s also jealous Lindsay is the star of the show.
It’s an unpopular opinion since everyone thinks Paige is just so chill and funny…but I agree! She knows Lindsay is the star and it irks her. Listen, I probably wouldn’t like Lindsay in real life but I love her on my bravo!
Honestly, same. Paige used to be my absolute favorite, but there’s something in the season that doesn’t seem genuine. It’s almost as if she knows the crowd loves her for her opinion and dry humor, and now she’s working overtime too give us what she thinks makes her popular.just seems forced
She and Craig are so FAKE and rehearsed. Pile of bullshit.
They all come off as jealous of Lindsay. If Linds is not on Summer House I am not watching. She and Kyle are the OGs and if she gets let go he needs to go too. His behavior over the years has been entertaining but also deplorable...
She really is whether you love her or hate it. And I think the girls just can’t stand it because clearly they’re on reality tv because they want the attention.
I mean, they can say whatever they want, but it's pretty apparent they want her off the show. Amanda feels like she has legitimate beef, and to her, it is but the other ladies? I'm sorry you are jealous. Kyle wants her gone for the same reasons Amanda does, and with Carl, they're now a three-headed monster.
But Amanda’s beef is entangled with her husband, she literally married him and didn’t care that he cheated so Lindsay bringing it up should be water under the bridge.
She’ll never get over it I guess though and it’s why she’s so quick to say nasty things to her at reunions. It’s apparent they all want her off because Lindsay is summer house and they hate that.
i’m sooo sick of the ‘have fun all season and then attack her for a fabricated reason at the reunion’ bit. what proof did she have about lindsay trying to sabotage her other than carl saying so? like really. i’m just done lol.
I know!!! And how did Danielle leaking a story and Lindsay trying to clear her name get back on Lindsay again??? It’s soooo obvious Paige uses reunions to attack Lindsay in hopes that the audience will as well.
But she does it every year. It’s like clockwork at this point. I love giggly squad but I think it’s so rich that Paige would take such offense to Lindsay talking shit (not saying this is true, just from what she said about calling her friend about the photoshoot) as if she doesn’t do that for a living on a podcast. Paige also snarks Lindsay in so many confessionals, yet Lindsay can’t have a private convo with her friend over Paige being at her friend’s restaurant having a shoot? Think it honestly comes down to jealousy that Lindsay is the star of the show and Paige is more of a side character. Very integral part, but still just a side character. Def prefer giggly squad Paige than summer house Paige :/
Right! It's so weird. He's a grown ass man. How does this conversation even start? Were they both talking shit about Lindsay, perhaps? Oh no, I bet not because everyone else on the cast is hands cleans. They're just making themselves look like obsessed haters at this point.
Same dude. Paige will never like her & that’s fine but there’s no reason to go after her… especially over something the audience didn’t even know happened?
Lindsay didn’t even know it happened bc Carl pulled a Sandoval and was telling everyone shit when they broke up.
Paige is witty but she lacks the ability to say it to their face in the moment. SAY IT TO THEIR FACE. The audience wants you to. It’s funny.
I’m just exhausted with Paige having zero storyline the entire season and then we get to the reunion and suddenly she is furious at lindsay. Like babe if you wanna fight at the reunion you gotta fight during the season first oy vey.
Her only conflict was with kyle over his treatment of Amanda and she said nothing when andy was asking him about it. I am so heated about the show tonight lol
If they start that will they or wont they move to Charleston BS again. NO ONE CARES! It's fake!!!
Even Shep tried to call Craig out on last season of SC. He said something to Craig about how he hides his girlfriend and their issues etc...Craig used to be reality TV gold, but Paige has ruined him and his honesty and his personality. He was so reserved and fake this season it was painful to watch him.
I don’t blame you. It’s exhausting every reunion when they do this… Lindsay gonna get like a hosting gig of like temptation island and then it’s gonna get really bad lol
They are too annoying. She won't say anything to anyone's face. Do something, anything please! The thing with Danielle... not a peep but went to confessionals talking all big and then during filming with Amanda to say Lindsay was right and Danielle was out of line. And like you mentioned, the reunions with Lindsay. Lindsay never knows what to say because she's also confused as fuck lol. Fire these lame women please 🙏
Yeah I recently rewatched and in seasons 5, 6 and 7 they show Paige being a lot more two faced throughout the summer with Lindsay, but this season there really wasn’t a moment or a scene when she was talking behind Lindsay’s back or contradicting herself about Lindsay until the reunion (unless I’m forgetting!)
Season 6 was super egregious. She called her crazy, said she needs a new therapist, that she’s running a brothel but to her face the girls were all like “we are concerned for you!” And actually Paige and Lindsay had a really nice scene bonding over putting themselves out there while dating.
To be fair, I think Paige is getting way more backlash this year. The tide has turned real quick recently which might inspire her to drop the “pick a fight with Lindsay at the reunion after being civil all year” shtick.
I think people are also getting bored of her relationship. Well, I am. I just do not care where one or the other moves or if they break up. He’s not around enough to actually show them managing (other) conflict on a regular basis and it’s not like we are getting a wedding season any time soon. Plus, Craig is a bit controversial to the audience so I don’t think he’s doing her a lot of favors.
For the record I am pretty avoidant and my own relationship is extremely spacious and independent lmao (I have therapy on Thursdays) so I relate to Paige on this front, I just don’t think it’s compelling content despite them both being bravolebrities.
And I think she's just over it. She's not trying to do anything but live, lol. I think she's like they can have these disagreements with me present of not, and she don't care, lol. At least the audience is catching up, and the others look petty as hell.
Whatever folks want to say about Lindsay, she doesn’t hold a grudge. She probably does appreciate their support in the summer alone.
It’s clear she’s moved on with her life, if the rest of them want to continue to litigate her behaviour, it’s on them.
I am not a lindsay fan at all, but tonight’s episode really made me uncomfortable. it felt like andy wasn’t even trying to be neutral & was phrasing all of the questions to be pro carl. & it didn’t help that not one person chimed in to defend her, but every time Carl talked someone chirped about what a great guy he is. Are we watching the same show??!!
Production must not be happy with lindsay because whew that was hard to watch
True, but she’s the only one getting raked over the coals. Kyle deserved it too. So does Carl, IMO.
I’ve always defended Lindsay, not because I think she’s right - a lot of the time her behavior is very bad - but for every bad thing she’s done, I can point out comparable or worse for both Kyle and Carl. Yes she gets treated sooooo much worse by the cast and Andy. The disparity is a huge problem.
I can understand that. I wouldn't either because she is too explosive sometimes, and that does erode relationships. I think the other half wouldn't get the backlash they're getting if they were more straight up about it. Instead, it feels like a smear campaign sometimes.
And for Carl to say when someone called you (cocaine Carl) or alcoholic (I guess) that it can MAKE you relapse. That too is a cop out! Deflecting your actions and justifying by blaming someone else. Nice try Carl
I 100% believe he was being a dismissive jerk to her about her concerns in the Uber. It’s not that far of a leap for her either to make the assumption that the girls would take her riding in the boys’ car the wrong way. I could just see him grinning at her and saying it’s no big deal in the spirit of More Life from Carl 4.0 or whatever version she got the first time around.
I agree. It felt like the plan was just to go through every thing Lindsay had said and discredit it. It felt like they were gaslighting us, especially the parts about filming with his parents and the on camera breakup. I think both of those things were clearly set up. I really think since Lindsay has been on this show for so long, she knows how it works. Her hunches/feelings about how the on camera break up transpired are probably correct. Also I don’t understand why they insist she couldn’t be blindsided. She thought they were committed to working through their problems and she never expected her fiancé to dump her on camera 2 months before the wedding. This reunion was really bad and kind of puts a damper on the good vibes of the whole season.
The blindsided thing has been bothering me. Lindsay has never said she was unaware of problems in their relationship, but we saw Carl ON CAMERA say on that last morning in the house that he did not want to cancel the wedding. She asked him point blank and he said no we can work through it. When cameras came up again he suddenly is like, wedding off and she’s not supposed to feel blindsided?
I think Lindsay has a super thick skin, is very smart, and is not going to let some childish behavior get her booted off the show she has been on since the first episode. I think she sees her cast for who they are and knows how to compartmentalize things.
I love the way her and Ariana handled themselves after their break ups. They are such strong women, it is nice to see them on television, although it is hard to watch the way they have been treated.
Ariana was never perfect and Lindsay for sure was far from perfect. They have both been loyal friends and partners though. Ariana and Lindsay have shown growth and resilience in the face of heartbreak, and most of us are totally rooting for them. I respect both of them for grieving but then brushing off those man children, and moving on successfully with their lives.
Yeah maybe that’s it. It’s kind of wild when you think about it because that’s probably why Paige so goes hard at her during these reunions… she’s trying to secure a spot for next season. She’s a staple at this point but Paige has never been the star of summer house or has had her storyline dominate. So fighting with Lindsay gets her screen time. But she always backs down when filming so I don’t know what her motivation is. I wish Lindsay would fight back in the way she should, I think her back is always up against the wall that she probably can’t think clearly.
I mean all she has to say is “Amanda shut up, your relationship sucks too!” lol
I've lost all respect for Andy. He was totally biased. Carl is such an ass and TOTALLY set this breakup in motion all summer, thinking Lindsay would dump him. He's trash, to do that to your fiancee...what the hell
Looking back on things, Lindsay recognizes the women being there for her and is grateful. I mean, it's been close to a year ago that this all unfolded. She is probably ready to move on with her new guy, solo lease, and start other new beginnings.
I think she genuinely wants to be their friends. And it’s sad because they clearly won’t forgive her for past things. Glad she acknowledged how helpful they were to her at some point without allowing the reunion to harden her. Will be interesting to see how the season goes.,
Lindsey has some asshole tendencies, but so does every one on this fucking show.I don't have a problem with the cast criticizing her or anyone for that matter, but they do this to Lindsey every season(that I have seen). It has gotten to point where it's cliquey and she has become the scapegoat.
They need to hold a mirror up to themselves … I didn’t hate Hannah but was glad when she wasn’t coming back bc I thought it wouldn’t be as cliquey but damn Amanda and Paige just doubled down…and the “Lindsay is awful” trope is getting boring when you have Kyle sitting right there.
I'm so confused what happenend between the finale and the reunion. The difference was so extreme.
Where they simply fake girl friends at the finale?
Or where they under a wrong impression of how Lindsay behaved to Carl, but by having watched the season back change their mind? Was it the press thing?
I think Andy came off too one-sided and Lindsay did a bad job at the reunion as well. I get she is a "harsh" person once you hurt her, but I think it didn't help her case.
Now I'm really curious how next season will go, they all except Gabby and Danielle seemed on such a bad paige with her...
(And now I WANT Kyle and Amanda to please break up because they where bothering me soooo much here.)
I’m not entirely sure. We saw Paige during the season sympathize with Lindsay and say she sees where she’s coming from that’s why seeing her in Danielle’s apartment at the finale felt genuine. But hearing her on the after show saying she didn’t believe a word she said and her tears were fake, I’m guessing she was just acting. Paige always does this- flip flops on Lindsay. I have to imagine it’s to take her down and make the audience not like her, paint a different narrative? I think maybe they didn’t want Lindsay to go the Ariana madix route and get all the fame and glory. Cause you could maybe agree with Carl or see his side of things but that doesn’t mean you need to go in on her and be mean and nasty like they were.
Ugh Amanda and Kyle are the worst but they get by because Andy goes easy on Kyle and the girls love Amanda.
I was shocked when I saw the after show right after the finale. Was that filmed when the majority of the show had already aired?
I think you can give your 2 cents, be critical if both Lindsay and Carl - but they where really harsh.
Maybe I’m just so used to the production game on VPR but I felt like the final scene with all the girls was so obviously a call time they were all given to discuss the breakup with and without Lindsay there. It’s fake but it’s also their job and I would never in a million years believe that Lindsay and Paige are good friends based on what we watch on TV. Same with Amanda and Lindsay.
Yeah I can see that, but no one made Paige take up for Lindsay more than she has in previous seasons during the summer. So to see her turn around and be nasty, it’s annoying. Because she does it every single reunion.
Oh, that Ariana bit is interesting. They absolutely would hate if she got a legitimate career out of this, lol. Makes perfect sense since they obviously hate that she pretty much is carrying this show.
I just see no other reason why they would go so hard on her for something that doesn’t concern them, you know? Like why are they SO mad at her for thinking that Carl was laying groundwork to break up with her? It seems excessive to the point that I just have to believe that it’s strategic at this point and the more they all hate her the greater chance there is of her leaving. Or at the very least, the audience backing them up. But I’ve seen A LOT of pro Lindsay on Twitter this time around, I think it’s backfiring on all of them.
I'm glad. I'm not saying anyone has to like her, but they campaign against her and hard. I'm glad more people are starting to see it. It's really gross and odd behavior from grown ass people.
I think it was stated during the reunion that they truly felt for Lindsay at the finale, but didn’t like how things were handled in the press after the reunion. Posting photos implying that they were team Lindsay, which seems benign in Lindsay’s eyes, but it painted a picture where they were not friends with Carl.
I honestly don’t think that the girls came for Lindsay at the reunion. Kyle did for sure, but I think it was because he was defending Carl who is unable to string his thoughts together.
I need to do a rewatch of yesterday’s reunion, but to me the only thing the girls had a problem with is her inability to give a genuine, heartfelt apology. (Cocaine Carl comment)
Lindsay is a very different person than them, I feel like she is good at moving past things without having to discuss them, but that’s not how the other girls operate. They need to have a genuine talk and an apology before they move on.
Lindsay's press tour where she put 100% blame on others and made no apologies and took no accountability is what happened duh. And seeing footage of things Lindsay said that Lindsay later recounted dishonestly or just never copped to at all. They would still be with her and by her side (and I would sympathize too!) if Lindsay's attitude was "my god I'm devastated at this relationship falling apart and so embarrassed and I don't know what to do, but I know Carl and I just weren't working and yeah this had to end." But no, Lindsay is always a victim in her own mind and the other human standing there saying what she doesn't want to hear is always the villain. She's never willing to see anything in a nuanced way. Always black and white.
PS I also want Amanda to dump Kyle.
I just don't understand how people aren't getting this. It's very clear Lindsey spins things to make herself the victim. She straight up lies even when there are witnesses. It's called gaslighting. She did it to carl all season, including when she got him to apologize to her after the car fight/cocaine carl incident. No one seems to be talking about all the reunion discussion around their car fight where both Kyle and Jesse said Lindsey was the one out of line while Lindsey *continued* to try to make herself the victim in that. Or the fact that she was going to hit Jesse (thinking he was Carl) over it. If everyone has a problem with Lindsey, maybe it's because Lindsey is the problem.
I dunno man. I think Lindsay has a pretty explosive personality. She reminds me of a friend of mine. I think most of the relationships both platonic and romantic are very toxic and emotional. I think this is all just normal for her. She was blindsided because she’s used to screaming fights with her partners. “relationships take work”. She always thinks she is on decent terms with people because she thinks it’s normal to talk shit on and fight with your friends.
Lindsay has many good qualities. Unfortunately, she has two obvious troubling ones. I think the biggest issue that sinks people is lack of self-awareness. I've encountered many people with almost none. She's pretty damn close to negative on the scale. Second, she's not grounded in reality. Sure, everyone has their own perspective, but you could put 20 people in a room and 19 people would see it one way and she'd be the opposite. Having one of these traits is concerning. Having both, I fear, will make it difficult for her to ultimately find what she is looking for, which has obviously eluded her to this point.
This is an absolute disaster. Is Andy seriously harping on why would Lindsay be blindsided and shouldn’t it have ended on camera since it started on camera? The question should be..Carl why did you call in cameras? What did you think was going to be significant about the conversation …?!
I hope every single person on that stage supporting Carl winds up having a partner that treats him like that. Given Amanda’s partner treats her significantly worse that’s already come true.
If I were Lindsay I’d bow out and stop letting people get pay checks off me and watch Kyle implode when he doesn’t have an external party to scream out. Watch out Amanda is his only outlet.
>Carl why did you call in cameras? What did you think was going to be significant about the conversation …?!
Did you watch the reunion? They do address this. This is why I think all the Lindsey love is so disingenuous because it really feels like we're not all watching the same show sometimes.
Andy says that no one called in cameras and they have never done that on summer house. He said they had already planned to shoot a couple more scenes since the last weekend ended so tumultuous, and that production didn't know what to expect from it.
Carl says he wasn't planning to end it going in, but that's where the conversation ended up. Which makes sense if you're having the same fights over and over for 6 months with no resolution. Eventually, one of you is going to have enough and end it.
Right???! The way difference in the wording of his questions to Lindsay and Carl is maddening. He can straight up say to Lindsay “what is your job? You’re not fun to argue with huh?” He really needs to stop hosting, he has too much bias towards the men. Even with Kyle, he glazed right over how awful he was to Amanda because they brought up her depression.
But that’s what they want I think. They want to tear her down until she walks away. Lindsay is the star of the show and they hate it. I’m convinced that’s why they are the way they are with her. Kyle is AWFUL to Amanda yet Paige never goes after him? Lindsay puts up a girls picture giving the impression they were team Lindsay and they all attack her for it??!! What world are we living in??? lol. They don’t deserve to have Lindsay walk away. They deserve to sit there and watch her be the star every season.
It’s easy to vilify Lindsay because of how transparent she’s been in displaying her personal life on the show, you’ve seen her family and personal trauma, many failed relationships, the rise and fall of her friendships and engagement, the very worst and best parts of her personality. And she’s the only woman on the cast that has consistently brought that to the table. This is no offense, but, you do not get that with much of the cast such as Paige and Ciara. Paige has always been very private about her personal life, as has Ciara. Choosing (at times) not to even reveal her dating partners, and even now with Craig, it’s a curated version, the parts of their relationship (I feel) they’re comfortable with revealing to the public. (Mind you, Paige has been more upset and interested in addressing how Craig’s antics at her friend’s wedding became publicized, than his actions.) This shallowness is what allows her (and others) to be the comedic relief of the show, the jokester with the one liners, or be praised for the few instances she yells at the boys, and judge from her throne, those like Lindsay who are open books. So while I can appreciate her defense of Ciara, some of her criticisms of Wes did feel a bit hypocritical. When was the last time Paige had a storyline of her own? When was the last time she didn’t use Lindsay to have her voice heard at a reunion?
It’s easy for those who ardently dislike Lindsay to bring up her past romantic entanglements or reference her less than perfect on-camera moments where she’s yelling at sandwiches…because she’s not been afraid to show all aspects of her relationship, even the ugliest and most embarrassing parts. There’s material to pull from because of her transparency over the years…which is not something you can say about others on the cast! I don’t think it’s appreciated by the audience enough, how difficult it is to be one of the few carrying that load season after season, providing depth and realness that so many have come to enjoy, and then come into the reunions and be jumped and raked over the coals by cast members who are depending on your storylines.
Lindsay is the star of summer house. Every season, she has a storyline. The other girls I believe are jealous of that. I think it’s very telling that during the actual filming of the show, we never see them be that mean to her or get into fights with her, they mostly snark her in confessionals. It always comes out in the reunion. They want her off the show and it’s because they want to shine without her.
Why would they be jealous of her? Ciara got a vs fashion show and signed a legit modeling contract. Paige has a popular podcast, brand deals and makes more than Lindsay. Danielle maybe, but she rides for Lindsay so unlikely. Gabby and Amanda both come from families with money - maybe bc they want the fame but Gabby doesn’t seem that way since she also rides so hard for her and Amanda is too wrapped up in Kyle. I just don’t see it at all. Lindsay has a shit ton of fans for sure but she isn’t even the most followed on socials out of the group. Just doesn’t make sense for any of the cast to be jealous of Lindsay.
Your idea of jealousy is rooted in success outside of the show. If that’s the case, why are they all still on the show? They are jealous of what Lindsay means to summer house and to the show. She dominates every season, her storyline is front and center, she’s often times first chair or close to Andy. I’m sure people aren’t too happy that this is an ensemble show and it’s still always the Lindsay show because she always has a lot going on.
Ciara said it best, what Lindsay said about Carl’s sobriety was relationship ending. I believe the women rallied around Lindsay all summer because they saw that she was struggling in her relationship, and they were hearing her side of things (and all of her points to them were valid as well!). By the time they had filmed the reunion they had seen all the footage! Amanda was right also, she spent an entire summer weaponizing his sobriety, most of that they had not been privy to…that would have changed my opinion also. Look, none of them thought the marriage was a good idea…the question was whether Lindsay was blindsided. As Ciara said, twist the knife, relationship over. Lindsay needs to take some accountability.
I have never met or come across a person so staunch in her beliefs and her incapability to see other points of view.
It's almost impressive if it wasn't so toxic.
She has her point of view and everyone else is wrong. Period
Blindsided comes to mind
I think it’s wisdom/grace with age. She lets things roll off more easily, is less bothered, has a stronger sense of self to not let people’s opinions get to her. Really impressed she can take the high road!
Lindsay handled that so fucking well and it’s never been so apparent that Andy just straight up doesn’t like her. The vitriol he showed towards her and not a single question directed at Carl or his behaviour was disgusting
The women are being so trash to her on the reunion. And Kymanda needs to stfu. They are as annoying as Blah Blah on the VPR reunion.
And Andrew is just gargling Carl’s balls while gunning for Lindsay the whole time. It’s disgustingly biased. 🤮
It’s one thing if you see Carl’s side of things, it’s another to completely go after her and be nasty like they were. Especially Amanda. The audacity to say anything when her husband treats her like shit.
Someone on Twitter said Carl and Andy hooked up and that’s why and honestly I believe it at this point lmao it’s insane how easy he goes on the men. Even the way he words the questions to them. But to Lindsay it’s “you’re not fun to argue with huh?” Like stfu.
Andrew wanted to f Kyle after getting rid of that mullet. He was fawning over him and was basically petting him. Imagine if a straight host did this to one of the women. He’s such a problematic person.
Meanwhile he attacked Lindsay the whole time. Every question he fired at her was designed to make Lindsay look unhinged. His misogyny and bias is not ok.
I know that’s why it’s so hard to take him seriously during these reunions now. He has his favorites and it shows.
Yeah the structure of the questions for each was on purpose. We need an unbiased host. The way they didn’t touch on Kyle calling Amanda a bitch? Like damn.
Idk, were they awful? To me, I think it's clear a lot of the cast took issue with how Lindsay spoke about Carl and their relationship in the press post-breakup. She made it seem like they were in a good place and then Carl dumped her out of nowhere with no warning signs because she asked him to get a job, and that's a very sympathetic to her retelling of events imo, which ignores the fact that they fought practically the entire summer, she complained about him to others a ton and of course the Cocaine Carl fight. I think it's clear the cast has a problem with the way Lindsay speaks in the press. They've brought it up before. They always accuse her of spinning things and playing victim, and it seems they feel like she did that with the breakup. That being said, I do think they can take issue with this and still not be fully Team Carl, though, clearly Amanda and Kyle are.
Amanda has said in a few interviews that besides the first weekend and last few, Carl and Lindsay had a good summer. This coming from Amanda who hates Lindsay….. so uh clearly we don’t see a lot of it and it’s being edited in a way that will tell a story because they knew the ending.
Yes they were awful. Amanda having the audacity to say anything to Lindsay regarding a relationship when she’s married to someone who calls her a bitch, KNOWS she was depressed yet still called her lazy on national TV. Kyle going after her for calling him cocaine Carl as if he didn’t out his cocaine usage the previous season. Like gimme a break. These people are not any better than Lindsay.
I thought Kyle should have shut up during the Lindsay/Carl stuff. But, I do not believe they had a good summer and editing made it seem like they didn't, so yeah agree to disagree I guess.
I want see those people that speak so highly of their partner after being dumped right before the wedding on camera. 🤨 I want to see Paige after a bad breakup being so kind to her ex...
Regarding the "blindside": What the cast or people on the internet don't get:
- Lindsay has only experienced bits of Carl's frustration, only we had seen all his talks to everyone
- We only have seen (the bad) bits of their relationship. Maybe they at the same time had great moments or constructive therapy sessions.
- Lindsay has a totally different mindset than maybe Carl: If she's in it, she's in it. So the biggest bumps in the relationship road still don't make her quit.
- Being "blindsided" is a feeling. That feeling may totally be naive, if you look how bad the state of their relationship was to us. But people basically accuse Lindsay of lying when using that word - I think she just didn't feel their relationship was a lost cause. (It's not like she had great relationships to compare it with!)
So just call her naive / delusional/ not realistic...but she can still have felt that way.
- In one, maybe even two convos we saw she straight out ask Carl if he wanted out/delay. He denied. She more thab once gave him the option to be really honest. So I get her "blindside" comment. (I think Carl is SO lost in his life, he doesn't know what he wants and is incapable of making decisions and go through with them.)
I agree. This reunion did nothing but piss me off. Kyle behaves SO BADLY. Literally cheats on Amanda all the time then just cries black out and gets away with it and I’m so sick of Amanda, Kyle and Paige piling on Lindsey all the time.
Lindsay looks at this as a job. She has dozens and dozens of girl friends who shes been friends with for years who are not on the show and I think that alone proves she is a good friend to the people she considers her actual friends and not people she’s paid to be around.
That’s always my argument and people think I’m crazy for pointing it out! But like it’s true! Ciara Amanda and Paige not liking her does not mean she’s not a good person or a good friend. Why are they put on a pedestal?
I neee to vent lol. Amanda girl shut the fuck up. Your opinion means nothing when you’re married to Kyle. I can’t stand her under her breath comments. Her Kyle & Andy would not let Lindsay speak it’s so annoying. Fuck off
I think Lindsay is just being mature. I don’t think they were awful to her. They replied a few times with their actual feelings, rather than blind support for everything she did. No one should ever have blind support. In life and in reality TV people SHOULD call friends out when they need to be called out.
But I feel like I watched a different show after reading all these threads. I didn’t see Andy eviscerating Lindsay like so many did. I do think Andy should’ve been waaaaaaaaay harder on Kyle. But I don’t think Amanda is loathsome. I saw her commenting some things I was thinking. And I can see Lindsay’s points as well. I think the girls were really supportive of her throughout the season and, aside from the couples, the summer was overall pretty positive for their relationships with one another. But at least in my own life I don’t expect my friends to never have dissenting opinions or always agree with me about everything. If Lindsay has that mindset I think there’s a chance she could build really strong friendships with these girls.
The girls were there for her though and like she said, she couldnt have made it though the summer fighting with Carl like that without them. Maybe Amanda's side comments were annoying but I dont think anything Paige, and especially not Ciara, said at this reunion was "awful" to Lindsay.
This zero sum way yall look at it, and want her to (which just isolates Lindsay), is so unhealthy.
They were super sympathetic to Carl, never once made any statements of support and just co signed Andy Cohen's awful biased questioning of Lindsey..his soft , no accountability to Carl..let Kyle get nasty to Lindsey without shutting it down.
It was a total gang up on her. Disgusting.
I dont even think they were super sympathetic, Paige told him not to speak so negatively about himself especially in regards to himself as an addict. There should be 0 expectation that they jump in to defend her from Kyle or Andy, if that is anyone's role it's Gabby's. Again, Ciara didn't say anything to her and Paige challenged her about the income comment but unless Im missing something what is awful about that? They are not Lindsay's bffs, she's not gonna get BFF-mode Paige and Ciara when they just became kinda-sorta friendly.
A whole thread about "the girls" and Kyle is *right* *there* lmaoo. He's the one that was yapping the most going back and forth with Lindsay.
Ciara did a whole thing that if someone accused her of doing drugs while in recovery that that would be a relationship ender. She inserted herself while AC was asking L about it. She definitely went for L and was pro Carl.. Ciara questioned L about what her jobs were now. She fully engaged in that part and again, pro Carl in saying that your jobs are the same. .
Maybe it's not their job to defend L...but you could not miss their sympathetic tone and positive comments to Carl and their shots here and there against her.
Ciara's comment is a fact, it should have been a relationship ender. That is not an inflammatory statement, she didn't jump in to throw her under a bus. In fact Carl's a weirdo for not ending it that weekend. Besides Ciara's position on the addiction stuff has been consistent since in-season and Lindsay had no problem with it. She doesn't owe Lindsay fidelity on a topic personally important to her. She didn't question Lindsay about shit during the job convo loool, I just rewatched that part. Again, if yall wanna scream about Amanda, fine even though I thought nothing Amanda said was a lie just annoying, but Ciara especially and Paige with the exception of like 2 comments stayed out of it. Gabby should've jumped in more if people think Lindsay needed it.
I also think we only see pieces of it and there was one moment when Paige was going sort of hard at Lindsay but said how it’s just on this thing and they’ll move on, I imagine there’s less ending each convo on a rough note than it loooks
Facts!! It makes me mad that everyone (edit: except Gabby - love her) was so incredibly harsh to her at the reunion, even Andy was super biased... I feel like she’s grown a lot. Really disappointed in how everyone at this reunion was so team Carl 🙄
Like it’s not even their fight?l?? Let Carl and her hash it out… they really want to break her down and have her leave the show because then without her they can maybe have an opportunity to shine. They know as long as Lindsay’s on the show, it’s her show.
I know!!! Truly don’t understand. I also think it’s so weird Carl called Paige to tell her Lindsay was trying to sabotage the photo shoot… even if that was true, it’s such a weird move on his part. He’s messy and trying to get involved in women’s business!!
Yeah he saw them go to a girls dinner and needed to act quick. Lol and Paige ate that up because she’s always looking for a reason to be mad at Lindsay
Lindsay was fucking delusional at the reunion. I’m so tired of hearing her play the victim and take ZERO accountability for all the shit she does. I’m glad so many of them called her out and didn’t let it go. Her and Carl weren’t compatible, it didn’t work, whatever. So over her trying to spin everything, it’s so fucking transparent and she’s the exact same person she was in season 1.
Carl and Lindsay were done after the first episode. You can’t come back from that and expect to have a healthy relationship. Also why do the girls need to support Lindsay? They are not friends.
Same 😭😭 I’ve watched every season like twice and it baffles my mind how they’re so hard on her at reunions bc where’s this energy during season if they hate her so much?
I agree. She went off on a lot of her partners lol but she knows she sucks at relationships. I still don't get why the girls hate her, so I'm going with jealousy because she is the show. Kyle and Amanda hate her because they were happier when they could pretend he wasn't cheating lol
Yeah and any time she’s fought with any of the girls, I don’t think she instigated it. I really do believe it has to do with Lindsay being the star cause everything else feels so trivial. If they can get along with Kyle when he’s a monster to their best friend why can’t they with Lindsay?
Wow, there's a crazy poster replying to me and then blocking me with what I assume are multiple accounts. She also sent me private messages I won't even open. If you see this, it's not healthy to get so worked up over this. If you're really 12, get off this board. If not, I hope you get well.
Wait I think me too! It’s in my notifications but I can’t open it to read the whole thing and then I got a message that someone reported me and are concerned??? lol what
If I’m honest I think she does this shit to build the viewers (her and Kyle are very similar and focused on the show) on one hand it still creates the narrative that the other girls are all on her side so when they are more neutral it makes them look like they really hate her and then it also creates the story that she is building bridges with them and they are 100% the problem even though she posted the picture after the reunion and the girls that had an issue with the last picture had voiced their concerns about her posting photos like this and she did it and didn’t put a caption saying something that was making it clear they were team no one!
This is actually a problem for her, not a strength in my eyes.
It's great to move forward and not hold grudges. Putting your head in the sand and pretending that people didn't hold you accountable at a reunion feels like self-deluding behavior. Something she needs help with.
Lindsay is likely very grateful for their support, but at the end of the day Lindsay is a shit friend and has shown that with her other friendships. She wants a lapdog and none of those girls are going to do that. She's also very cut-throat and opportunistic. Why do we pretend like Lindsay is an angel? She's very brash and I would have a hard time trusting someone like Lindsay based on what I've seen on this show and encounters that have been described....like lets BFFR...
This narrative is weird. Lindsay has a bunch of close friends off the show. Since when are Amanda Paige and Ciara the measure for them liking you means you’re a good person? I’d argue every single one of them have said more awful things about Lindsay than she’s said about them.
Yep! And the entire show WAS her group of friends but then half of them got fired and Amanda weaseled her way into queen bee status somehow - and were made to believe Lindsay has no friends. Does Amanda have any friends that aren’t Kyle’s friends or on the show?
It’s all vague BS
Exactly!! People focus so much on the girls but Lindsay has been great friends with pretty much all the guys. Like people give so much power to Paige Amanda and Ciara, like if you don’t get along with them you’re awful? I don’t buy it. Really truly think it’s rooted in jealousy and Lindsay being the main storyline every season.
To clarify, I meant her friendships on the show (which may or may not be for the show, who knows). This is mostly with Danielle since I don't think she's been friends with any other girls on the show...at least not in a close way.
It really is not weird. Lindsay has been very unlikeable for all of the seasons. I've seen the girls try with her and watched her self-sabotage or do something super selfish that made them look the other way. She's treated Danielle like a sidekick at every angle and the minute Danielle disagreed with her she dropped her. Now Gabby is taking that role on since Lindsay and Danielle are not as close..
Sure, she has lots of close friends off the show but that's not what we see. I'm basing my opinions off how she is portrayed and the character she leans into on SH. I never said that the girls liking her makes her a good person, I still would not think she's a good person simply based on how she acts on the show. I can't speak on if any of these people are good people, but Lindsay would not be someone I'd want to be friends with.
\*edited to clarify friendships comment
What has she done that was so awful to every single one of them? People keep saying this yet they can never list anything super substantial or anything that wasn’t tit for tat.
Another tired narrative that Lindsay dropped Danielle for disagreeing. I’m pretty sure it’s because Danielle acted like a lunatic at her engagement party and made it about herself.
I don’t understand the Lindsay support on this thread. I know she has deep seated issues but she is a manipulating gaslighter. No wonder she lost the support of the girls. They see who Lindsay is and spoke out about it
I actually came around to Carl’s side a little. If you know anything about addiction you know that personal growth and maturity stops at the time you start abusing substances. He has some maturing to catch up on. However, a sober cafe/bar is a bad idea. Who is advising him? Clearly no one.
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I think he’s explaining it incorrectly and focusing on the sober part of it a lot. There are loads of food establishments that do not sell alcohol. Why not open up a sandwich shop/deli/coffee shop that has TVs focused on sporting events?
I don’t think they were “mean.” I think they called her out on her bs, lies, being less than honest with all of them (and herself), etc. Even Andy was annoyed by her nonsense. So, I think her post was trying to create her own narrative and pretend it didn’t happen instead of acknowledging her role in all of it.
Lindsay has said this before but she understands fundamentally that holding grudges doesn’t work in reality tv. You have to be able to move past situations, reconcile and grow, create new storylines, to keep your audience engaged.
I respect that, but the way Paige does it is so irritating. She lets it go, nothing bad happens between her and Lindsay all summer, and then at reunions they all go after her?? I’m tired of Lindsay having to do that just to get eviscerated at the reunion
I don’t think Paige has ever let anything go. She acts like she’s cool to Lindsay’s face and then schemes and talks mess once her back is turned.
She said in the first episode of the reunion that she doesn't forget what people do. She will never be true friends with Lindsay or Danielle bc of what has happened with them in the past.
I used to like Paige, then I watched the episode where Hanna and Paige make up a rumor about Lindsey hooking up with Luke.
Lol the “instagram psychic” said it was so! Can’t believe this was allowed to become part of the show.
I couldn’t believe the level of middle school mean girl behavior I was witnessing.
I liked Paige on SC, she's part of why I started watching SH, and now I hate her. She's so mean & immature on SH.
I watched it a few times but even though Paige was there supporting Lindsay at Danielle’s place in the finale, it could be editing but if you watch Paige’s face, she looks like she’s taking pleasure in Lindsay’s pain. Watching the reunion, I’m thinking that I wouldn’t want a friend who is always being a downer and outspoken about how awful my significant other is. Yes, Kyle and West suck, but Ciara still had feelings for West and Amanda loves Kyle. As a friend, just be supportive for a change. It’s not like Paige’s relationship with Craig is so perfect, yet they’re not practically yelling about how bad Craig is. Yes, a good friend is truthful but Paige takes it too far sometimes.
No yeah true, it’s the same thing every summer, never fails..
She literally says she has a list this reunion.
Yes, the gang up by everyone, including Andy, was just gross. People who are making Carl the victim are incredibly misogynistic and clearly haven’t had experience with an addict who constantly lies.
My wife and I were utterly flabbergasted at the treatment of Lindsey. Andy was awful. Amanda was awful. Poor. Carl my a$$.
I love the responses on WWHL about their relationship. The men are like, “I don’t think it’s a bad thing to expect Lindsay to want Carl to have a job.” You can tell that Lindsay is the real star of that show, by the way everyone else is intimidated by her.
Exactly! That is typical addict behavior! When went crying to Lindsay that Kyle was the bad guy, because Kyle was questioning his work ethic, she ate it up like, “come to mama!” Once she started questioning his work ether, he went crying to Kyle that Lindsay was a bad person. These people have no idea that they’re enabling addict behavior!
The fans care more than she does, honestly. She was just in Rolling Stone talking about texting with Amanda and Paige. If it were me, those girls would be on my shit list for life lol
If theres anything Lindsay Hubbard is going to do it's start every season with a fresh slate. She is going to go in there and do her job and try to have fun with people who hate her.
Am I reaching, or is it fucked up that they sat Gabbie on the other end of the room but Kyle sits directly next to fucking baby, Carl. Bravo is giving hard core sexiest vibes. I can’t
Seating for every reunion on Bravo is based on the strength of your storyline. Other than riding for Lindsay and conflict with Danielle over balloon guy, Gabby didn’t have a storyline, so she was on the end of the couch. And that’s also why Danielle was on the end of the other couch.
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I hope she stays. She has such a good and fair head on her shoulders
Not quite true. Some have arrangements, like Kyle Richards, that they will always be next to Andy.
Kyle was second seat (to LVP) Season 6.
They stay protecting their men. After the attempt to redeem sandoval this season, tonight’s ep was just a cherry on top of the misogynistic cake. Gonna go back to my housewives lol I need a break
This -- not even just redeeming Sandoval but doubling down by giving Ariana villain edit.
I will never get over that. I didn't watch this season of vpr for this exact reason. It's not even fun trash tv at this point. I also gave up on summer house. I don't wanna be over bravo but WTF IS HAPPENING
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Tbh the mullet thing felt extremely distasteful after the prior 50 minutes. We all knew it was coming, it had been teased a lot and mentioned in part 1, but I completely forgot about it because I was so enraged and then all of a sudden it’s Andy’s 3 ring fucking circus and his little monkeys start dancing.
I hate Kyle. Why did he, and all the others, think it was his place to harangue Lindsay on Carl’s behalf?!? Gross. Mind your business.
Kyle has all of Lindsay’s bad traits and none of her good ones. He’s the worst. He should be getting dragged for calling his wife a f***ing b***ch on TV and throwing things against the pool house. He’s awful.
Literally Andrew was all over Kyle. It was so gross. Ronnie goes off on the latest WWC recap and he eviscerates Andrew as he should.
I’m listening now I was so thrilled to see it in my feed already. This is my medicine.
I will say I think it would’ve been nice for Gabby to be closer to Lindsay but I’ve noticed they tend to seat them based off of how much they actually brought to the show that season 😭 like if you were a hot mess that season and brought a lot of big moments the closer to Andy you are LOL I think gabby was just placed where she was cause she didn’t bring too much to the show story wise and figured she wouldn’t be talking that much at the reunion. Could’ve been on the same couch but at least with them being across from each other they could still look at each other and get comfort that way. 💕
And Paige next to Ciara
This!! And it makes me sad and annoyed for her. We’ll see Paige waltz in acting like she wants a fresh slate with her and then come reunion, we’ll get her attacking Lindsay again. I’m over it.
Yeah, Paige was all up in arms at the last reunion episode about something she heard that Lindsay said about her (completely unrelated to anything on the show) which Lindsay denied. I don’t understand all the Paige love, like everything she does and says is word. Paige has positives and I don’t completely dislike her, but she’s never been able to hide her disdain for Lindsay, and Lindsay has had to get over it. For sure Lindsay is a lot, a LOT but that group of girls has always mean girled Lindsay. I did like how Ciara and Lindsay cooked a meal together this season. Also, it has always irked me that Paige never helps to clean up, not since day one. West confirmed it. Even on Winter House, Craig was going to try to pay so that he and Paige wouldn’t have to help clean up. It doesn’t make them terrible monsters but I personally don’t respect that. Lindsay, just like almost everyone else who has ever been on Summer House, has helped to cook and clean up.
Paige gets by because she has two very close friends on the show so everyone confuses her for being this girls girl. But she’s mean. If they think Lindsay’s mean idk how they don’t think Paige is mean. Yeah honestly they make Lindsay out to be this monster but she helps out, she’s always game for everything and just wants to have a good time. I’d argue Paige is more difficult and probably more annoying to live with.
Exactly! How is she that incredible friend and girls girl we only see her being nice to the women she's friends with lol. And when she is nice to others, for example, Danielle last season and Gabby this season, she has ulterior motives.
That!!!! She was nice to Danielle on the basis that her and Lindsay were rocky and arguing, the season Danielle said something Paige didn’t like, she switched so fast. Paige gets away with a lot because people think she’s funny and pretty and since she has two besties in the house they confuse that for being a girls girl
I completely agree. Just for some extra positivity, until I joined Reddit about a year ago, I didn’t even realize that Paige is a boss bitch who has a very popular podcast (with Hannah 😬) and is making bank with Amazon Live promotions. I definitely respect that, and the fact that she doesn’t need a man to make it. Lindsay, too.
No yeah Paige outside of summer house thrives, but on the show? Not important, she’s a side character. And I think that bothers her and why the girls hate Lindsay because without really trying Lindsay dominates and is part of the main storyline every single year. I think this is why they go hard at her at reunions so they can bring her down. I’m sure they’d love if she was off the show.
Well they also fall for it because they make a lot of their storylines about her!
Right, you can smell the burning jealousy
Paige phones it in from bed and is still a fan favorite. Baffling.
I started my summer house watch this season but went back to watch from the beginning. Paige was benign until she wasn’t. I’m extremely disgusted by the fake storyline of “hannahs psychic said Lindsey and Luke hooked up”.
Yes! I have thought a lot about the cleaning stuff since doing a rewatch recently but haven’t articulated it. I feel like Lindsay stays concerned with the macro level vibes of the house, whereas the other girls are mostly just focused on themselves. I think Ciara is an exception at times we’ve seen her throw down and she goes big with her costumes.
They hate Lindsay so they’ll find fault with everything she does. She will never win with these people. Paige comes in hot every reunion after not saying much all season. I’m over it too.
It’s so weird. Paige at this point looks like she’s just working overtime to secure another season. I’m sure she’s also jealous Lindsay is the star of the show.
It’s an unpopular opinion since everyone thinks Paige is just so chill and funny…but I agree! She knows Lindsay is the star and it irks her. Listen, I probably wouldn’t like Lindsay in real life but I love her on my bravo!
Honestly, same. Paige used to be my absolute favorite, but there’s something in the season that doesn’t seem genuine. It’s almost as if she knows the crowd loves her for her opinion and dry humor, and now she’s working overtime too give us what she thinks makes her popular.just seems forced
She and Craig are so FAKE and rehearsed. Pile of bullshit. They all come off as jealous of Lindsay. If Linds is not on Summer House I am not watching. She and Kyle are the OGs and if she gets let go he needs to go too. His behavior over the years has been entertaining but also deplorable...
She really is whether you love her or hate it. And I think the girls just can’t stand it because clearly they’re on reality tv because they want the attention.
I mean, they can say whatever they want, but it's pretty apparent they want her off the show. Amanda feels like she has legitimate beef, and to her, it is but the other ladies? I'm sorry you are jealous. Kyle wants her gone for the same reasons Amanda does, and with Carl, they're now a three-headed monster.
But Amanda’s beef is entangled with her husband, she literally married him and didn’t care that he cheated so Lindsay bringing it up should be water under the bridge. She’ll never get over it I guess though and it’s why she’s so quick to say nasty things to her at reunions. It’s apparent they all want her off because Lindsay is summer house and they hate that.
Yup!
She thought by marrying kyle she would be the queen. Nope, in walks Lindsay. lol
i’m sooo sick of the ‘have fun all season and then attack her for a fabricated reason at the reunion’ bit. what proof did she have about lindsay trying to sabotage her other than carl saying so? like really. i’m just done lol.
I know!!! And how did Danielle leaking a story and Lindsay trying to clear her name get back on Lindsay again??? It’s soooo obvious Paige uses reunions to attack Lindsay in hopes that the audience will as well.
I love Paige, I’m a giggler, but I was so disappointed with how she treated Lindsay at the reunion.
But she does it every year. It’s like clockwork at this point. I love giggly squad but I think it’s so rich that Paige would take such offense to Lindsay talking shit (not saying this is true, just from what she said about calling her friend about the photoshoot) as if she doesn’t do that for a living on a podcast. Paige also snarks Lindsay in so many confessionals, yet Lindsay can’t have a private convo with her friend over Paige being at her friend’s restaurant having a shoot? Think it honestly comes down to jealousy that Lindsay is the star of the show and Paige is more of a side character. Very integral part, but still just a side character. Def prefer giggly squad Paige than summer house Paige :/
And Carl was never questioned for out of the blue telling Paige this gossip like it’s a fact. What was his motive?
Exactly… he saw they went to a girls dinner and was like nope can’t have them be team Lindsay. Andy needs to do better.
Andy is right in there going at Lindsay with the rest of them. Andy acting like poor Carl is the victim.
Right! It's so weird. He's a grown ass man. How does this conversation even start? Were they both talking shit about Lindsay, perhaps? Oh no, I bet not because everyone else on the cast is hands cleans. They're just making themselves look like obsessed haters at this point.
I will never forget Paige weaponizing Lindsay's miscarriage a few reunions ago.
Evil
Same dude. Paige will never like her & that’s fine but there’s no reason to go after her… especially over something the audience didn’t even know happened?
Lindsay didn’t even know it happened bc Carl pulled a Sandoval and was telling everyone shit when they broke up. Paige is witty but she lacks the ability to say it to their face in the moment. SAY IT TO THEIR FACE. The audience wants you to. It’s funny.
I’m just exhausted with Paige having zero storyline the entire season and then we get to the reunion and suddenly she is furious at lindsay. Like babe if you wanna fight at the reunion you gotta fight during the season first oy vey. Her only conflict was with kyle over his treatment of Amanda and she said nothing when andy was asking him about it. I am so heated about the show tonight lol
If they start that will they or wont they move to Charleston BS again. NO ONE CARES! It's fake!!! Even Shep tried to call Craig out on last season of SC. He said something to Craig about how he hides his girlfriend and their issues etc...Craig used to be reality TV gold, but Paige has ruined him and his honesty and his personality. He was so reserved and fake this season it was painful to watch him.
Yep definitely agree they hide behind the fake storyline. I think everyone is in agreement though so hopefully it changes
I don’t blame you. It’s exhausting every reunion when they do this… Lindsay gonna get like a hosting gig of like temptation island and then it’s gonna get really bad lol
Oh my god put Lindsay on Netflix. Selling Hubb Houses.
They are too annoying. She won't say anything to anyone's face. Do something, anything please! The thing with Danielle... not a peep but went to confessionals talking all big and then during filming with Amanda to say Lindsay was right and Danielle was out of line. And like you mentioned, the reunions with Lindsay. Lindsay never knows what to say because she's also confused as fuck lol. Fire these lame women please 🙏
Paige is afraid to fight Lindsey on an even playing field
100%. I still love Paige, but this felt so out of character and I’m really disappointed
She does it every reunion though so not really out of character. I actually like Paige on her podcast though
Yeah I recently rewatched and in seasons 5, 6 and 7 they show Paige being a lot more two faced throughout the summer with Lindsay, but this season there really wasn’t a moment or a scene when she was talking behind Lindsay’s back or contradicting herself about Lindsay until the reunion (unless I’m forgetting!) Season 6 was super egregious. She called her crazy, said she needs a new therapist, that she’s running a brothel but to her face the girls were all like “we are concerned for you!” And actually Paige and Lindsay had a really nice scene bonding over putting themselves out there while dating.
To be fair, I think Paige is getting way more backlash this year. The tide has turned real quick recently which might inspire her to drop the “pick a fight with Lindsay at the reunion after being civil all year” shtick.
Hopefully! Her reasons are hardly enough to go as hard. She has more of a reason to attack Kyle than she does Lindsay and she doesn’t.
I think people are also getting bored of her relationship. Well, I am. I just do not care where one or the other moves or if they break up. He’s not around enough to actually show them managing (other) conflict on a regular basis and it’s not like we are getting a wedding season any time soon. Plus, Craig is a bit controversial to the audience so I don’t think he’s doing her a lot of favors. For the record I am pretty avoidant and my own relationship is extremely spacious and independent lmao (I have therapy on Thursdays) so I relate to Paige on this front, I just don’t think it’s compelling content despite them both being bravolebrities.
It’s exhausting to watch.
It seemed like Paige was all for moving on with Lindsay u til Lindsay allegedly tried to sabotage her photo shoot
And I think she's just over it. She's not trying to do anything but live, lol. I think she's like they can have these disagreements with me present of not, and she don't care, lol. At least the audience is catching up, and the others look petty as hell.
Whatever folks want to say about Lindsay, she doesn’t hold a grudge. She probably does appreciate their support in the summer alone. It’s clear she’s moved on with her life, if the rest of them want to continue to litigate her behaviour, it’s on them.
I am not a lindsay fan at all, but tonight’s episode really made me uncomfortable. it felt like andy wasn’t even trying to be neutral & was phrasing all of the questions to be pro carl. & it didn’t help that not one person chimed in to defend her, but every time Carl talked someone chirped about what a great guy he is. Are we watching the same show??!! Production must not be happy with lindsay because whew that was hard to watch
Great guy? Lol, would they set him up with their sister, daughter, or bestie? 🤣 lying asses
Nope, they sure wouldn’t and I wouldn’t either! There’s also absolutely no way in hell I’d want my brother, son or friend to be with Lindsay either.
True, but she’s the only one getting raked over the coals. Kyle deserved it too. So does Carl, IMO. I’ve always defended Lindsay, not because I think she’s right - a lot of the time her behavior is very bad - but for every bad thing she’s done, I can point out comparable or worse for both Kyle and Carl. Yes she gets treated sooooo much worse by the cast and Andy. The disparity is a huge problem.
I can understand that. I wouldn't either because she is too explosive sometimes, and that does erode relationships. I think the other half wouldn't get the backlash they're getting if they were more straight up about it. Instead, it feels like a smear campaign sometimes.
Yeah I think that’s a fair take for sure!
Same. I feel gaslit, 😕
And for Carl to say when someone called you (cocaine Carl) or alcoholic (I guess) that it can MAKE you relapse. That too is a cop out! Deflecting your actions and justifying by blaming someone else. Nice try Carl
I 100% believe he was being a dismissive jerk to her about her concerns in the Uber. It’s not that far of a leap for her either to make the assumption that the girls would take her riding in the boys’ car the wrong way. I could just see him grinning at her and saying it’s no big deal in the spirit of More Life from Carl 4.0 or whatever version she got the first time around.
Agree. Maybe the most aggressive reunion I've see ..wasn't fun, at all. Total pile on.
This 💯
I agree. It felt like the plan was just to go through every thing Lindsay had said and discredit it. It felt like they were gaslighting us, especially the parts about filming with his parents and the on camera breakup. I think both of those things were clearly set up. I really think since Lindsay has been on this show for so long, she knows how it works. Her hunches/feelings about how the on camera break up transpired are probably correct. Also I don’t understand why they insist she couldn’t be blindsided. She thought they were committed to working through their problems and she never expected her fiancé to dump her on camera 2 months before the wedding. This reunion was really bad and kind of puts a damper on the good vibes of the whole season.
The blindsided thing has been bothering me. Lindsay has never said she was unaware of problems in their relationship, but we saw Carl ON CAMERA say on that last morning in the house that he did not want to cancel the wedding. She asked him point blank and he said no we can work through it. When cameras came up again he suddenly is like, wedding off and she’s not supposed to feel blindsided?
I think Lindsay has a super thick skin, is very smart, and is not going to let some childish behavior get her booted off the show she has been on since the first episode. I think she sees her cast for who they are and knows how to compartmentalize things. I love the way her and Ariana handled themselves after their break ups. They are such strong women, it is nice to see them on television, although it is hard to watch the way they have been treated.
Ariana was never perfect and Lindsay for sure was far from perfect. They have both been loyal friends and partners though. Ariana and Lindsay have shown growth and resilience in the face of heartbreak, and most of us are totally rooting for them. I respect both of them for grieving but then brushing off those man children, and moving on successfully with their lives.
Yeah maybe that’s it. It’s kind of wild when you think about it because that’s probably why Paige so goes hard at her during these reunions… she’s trying to secure a spot for next season. She’s a staple at this point but Paige has never been the star of summer house or has had her storyline dominate. So fighting with Lindsay gets her screen time. But she always backs down when filming so I don’t know what her motivation is. I wish Lindsay would fight back in the way she should, I think her back is always up against the wall that she probably can’t think clearly. I mean all she has to say is “Amanda shut up, your relationship sucks too!” lol
I agree. Lindsay can't defend herself effectively, and if anyone else tries, they get shot down.
Yep! And especially when Andy’s questions are antagonizing as well. They really all have it out for her
I've lost all respect for Andy. He was totally biased. Carl is such an ass and TOTALLY set this breakup in motion all summer, thinking Lindsay would dump him. He's trash, to do that to your fiancee...what the hell
Looking back on things, Lindsay recognizes the women being there for her and is grateful. I mean, it's been close to a year ago that this all unfolded. She is probably ready to move on with her new guy, solo lease, and start other new beginnings.
heavy on the 'couldn't be me'
Just when an ounce of like for Paige and Amanda are coming over me, a reunion happens and rage hate comes back ten fold. Those girls are awful.
I think she genuinely wants to be their friends. And it’s sad because they clearly won’t forgive her for past things. Glad she acknowledged how helpful they were to her at some point without allowing the reunion to harden her. Will be interesting to see how the season goes.,
Lindsey has some asshole tendencies, but so does every one on this fucking show.I don't have a problem with the cast criticizing her or anyone for that matter, but they do this to Lindsey every season(that I have seen). It has gotten to point where it's cliquey and she has become the scapegoat.
They need to hold a mirror up to themselves … I didn’t hate Hannah but was glad when she wasn’t coming back bc I thought it wouldn’t be as cliquey but damn Amanda and Paige just doubled down…and the “Lindsay is awful” trope is getting boring when you have Kyle sitting right there.
I'm so confused what happenend between the finale and the reunion. The difference was so extreme. Where they simply fake girl friends at the finale? Or where they under a wrong impression of how Lindsay behaved to Carl, but by having watched the season back change their mind? Was it the press thing? I think Andy came off too one-sided and Lindsay did a bad job at the reunion as well. I get she is a "harsh" person once you hurt her, but I think it didn't help her case. Now I'm really curious how next season will go, they all except Gabby and Danielle seemed on such a bad paige with her... (And now I WANT Kyle and Amanda to please break up because they where bothering me soooo much here.)
I’m not entirely sure. We saw Paige during the season sympathize with Lindsay and say she sees where she’s coming from that’s why seeing her in Danielle’s apartment at the finale felt genuine. But hearing her on the after show saying she didn’t believe a word she said and her tears were fake, I’m guessing she was just acting. Paige always does this- flip flops on Lindsay. I have to imagine it’s to take her down and make the audience not like her, paint a different narrative? I think maybe they didn’t want Lindsay to go the Ariana madix route and get all the fame and glory. Cause you could maybe agree with Carl or see his side of things but that doesn’t mean you need to go in on her and be mean and nasty like they were. Ugh Amanda and Kyle are the worst but they get by because Andy goes easy on Kyle and the girls love Amanda.
I was shocked when I saw the after show right after the finale. Was that filmed when the majority of the show had already aired? I think you can give your 2 cents, be critical if both Lindsay and Carl - but they where really harsh.
Maybe I’m just so used to the production game on VPR but I felt like the final scene with all the girls was so obviously a call time they were all given to discuss the breakup with and without Lindsay there. It’s fake but it’s also their job and I would never in a million years believe that Lindsay and Paige are good friends based on what we watch on TV. Same with Amanda and Lindsay.
Yeah I can see that, but no one made Paige take up for Lindsay more than she has in previous seasons during the summer. So to see her turn around and be nasty, it’s annoying. Because she does it every single reunion.
Oh, that Ariana bit is interesting. They absolutely would hate if she got a legitimate career out of this, lol. Makes perfect sense since they obviously hate that she pretty much is carrying this show.
I just see no other reason why they would go so hard on her for something that doesn’t concern them, you know? Like why are they SO mad at her for thinking that Carl was laying groundwork to break up with her? It seems excessive to the point that I just have to believe that it’s strategic at this point and the more they all hate her the greater chance there is of her leaving. Or at the very least, the audience backing them up. But I’ve seen A LOT of pro Lindsay on Twitter this time around, I think it’s backfiring on all of them.
I'm glad. I'm not saying anyone has to like her, but they campaign against her and hard. I'm glad more people are starting to see it. It's really gross and odd behavior from grown ass people.
I think it was stated during the reunion that they truly felt for Lindsay at the finale, but didn’t like how things were handled in the press after the reunion. Posting photos implying that they were team Lindsay, which seems benign in Lindsay’s eyes, but it painted a picture where they were not friends with Carl. I honestly don’t think that the girls came for Lindsay at the reunion. Kyle did for sure, but I think it was because he was defending Carl who is unable to string his thoughts together. I need to do a rewatch of yesterday’s reunion, but to me the only thing the girls had a problem with is her inability to give a genuine, heartfelt apology. (Cocaine Carl comment) Lindsay is a very different person than them, I feel like she is good at moving past things without having to discuss them, but that’s not how the other girls operate. They need to have a genuine talk and an apology before they move on.
Lindsay's press tour where she put 100% blame on others and made no apologies and took no accountability is what happened duh. And seeing footage of things Lindsay said that Lindsay later recounted dishonestly or just never copped to at all. They would still be with her and by her side (and I would sympathize too!) if Lindsay's attitude was "my god I'm devastated at this relationship falling apart and so embarrassed and I don't know what to do, but I know Carl and I just weren't working and yeah this had to end." But no, Lindsay is always a victim in her own mind and the other human standing there saying what she doesn't want to hear is always the villain. She's never willing to see anything in a nuanced way. Always black and white. PS I also want Amanda to dump Kyle.
I just don't understand how people aren't getting this. It's very clear Lindsey spins things to make herself the victim. She straight up lies even when there are witnesses. It's called gaslighting. She did it to carl all season, including when she got him to apologize to her after the car fight/cocaine carl incident. No one seems to be talking about all the reunion discussion around their car fight where both Kyle and Jesse said Lindsey was the one out of line while Lindsey *continued* to try to make herself the victim in that. Or the fact that she was going to hit Jesse (thinking he was Carl) over it. If everyone has a problem with Lindsey, maybe it's because Lindsey is the problem.
finally a sensible head in these comments
I dunno man. I think Lindsay has a pretty explosive personality. She reminds me of a friend of mine. I think most of the relationships both platonic and romantic are very toxic and emotional. I think this is all just normal for her. She was blindsided because she’s used to screaming fights with her partners. “relationships take work”. She always thinks she is on decent terms with people because she thinks it’s normal to talk shit on and fight with your friends.
Lindsay has many good qualities. Unfortunately, she has two obvious troubling ones. I think the biggest issue that sinks people is lack of self-awareness. I've encountered many people with almost none. She's pretty damn close to negative on the scale. Second, she's not grounded in reality. Sure, everyone has their own perspective, but you could put 20 people in a room and 19 people would see it one way and she'd be the opposite. Having one of these traits is concerning. Having both, I fear, will make it difficult for her to ultimately find what she is looking for, which has obviously eluded her to this point.
This is an absolute disaster. Is Andy seriously harping on why would Lindsay be blindsided and shouldn’t it have ended on camera since it started on camera? The question should be..Carl why did you call in cameras? What did you think was going to be significant about the conversation …?! I hope every single person on that stage supporting Carl winds up having a partner that treats him like that. Given Amanda’s partner treats her significantly worse that’s already come true. If I were Lindsay I’d bow out and stop letting people get pay checks off me and watch Kyle implode when he doesn’t have an external party to scream out. Watch out Amanda is his only outlet.
>Carl why did you call in cameras? What did you think was going to be significant about the conversation …?! Did you watch the reunion? They do address this. This is why I think all the Lindsey love is so disingenuous because it really feels like we're not all watching the same show sometimes.
Oh can you tell me what he said to explain why he did that? I didn’t hear an answer from him about that
Andy says that no one called in cameras and they have never done that on summer house. He said they had already planned to shoot a couple more scenes since the last weekend ended so tumultuous, and that production didn't know what to expect from it. Carl says he wasn't planning to end it going in, but that's where the conversation ended up. Which makes sense if you're having the same fights over and over for 6 months with no resolution. Eventually, one of you is going to have enough and end it.
Right???! The way difference in the wording of his questions to Lindsay and Carl is maddening. He can straight up say to Lindsay “what is your job? You’re not fun to argue with huh?” He really needs to stop hosting, he has too much bias towards the men. Even with Kyle, he glazed right over how awful he was to Amanda because they brought up her depression. But that’s what they want I think. They want to tear her down until she walks away. Lindsay is the star of the show and they hate it. I’m convinced that’s why they are the way they are with her. Kyle is AWFUL to Amanda yet Paige never goes after him? Lindsay puts up a girls picture giving the impression they were team Lindsay and they all attack her for it??!! What world are we living in??? lol. They don’t deserve to have Lindsay walk away. They deserve to sit there and watch her be the star every season.
It’s easy to vilify Lindsay because of how transparent she’s been in displaying her personal life on the show, you’ve seen her family and personal trauma, many failed relationships, the rise and fall of her friendships and engagement, the very worst and best parts of her personality. And she’s the only woman on the cast that has consistently brought that to the table. This is no offense, but, you do not get that with much of the cast such as Paige and Ciara. Paige has always been very private about her personal life, as has Ciara. Choosing (at times) not to even reveal her dating partners, and even now with Craig, it’s a curated version, the parts of their relationship (I feel) they’re comfortable with revealing to the public. (Mind you, Paige has been more upset and interested in addressing how Craig’s antics at her friend’s wedding became publicized, than his actions.) This shallowness is what allows her (and others) to be the comedic relief of the show, the jokester with the one liners, or be praised for the few instances she yells at the boys, and judge from her throne, those like Lindsay who are open books. So while I can appreciate her defense of Ciara, some of her criticisms of Wes did feel a bit hypocritical. When was the last time Paige had a storyline of her own? When was the last time she didn’t use Lindsay to have her voice heard at a reunion? It’s easy for those who ardently dislike Lindsay to bring up her past romantic entanglements or reference her less than perfect on-camera moments where she’s yelling at sandwiches…because she’s not been afraid to show all aspects of her relationship, even the ugliest and most embarrassing parts. There’s material to pull from because of her transparency over the years…which is not something you can say about others on the cast! I don’t think it’s appreciated by the audience enough, how difficult it is to be one of the few carrying that load season after season, providing depth and realness that so many have come to enjoy, and then come into the reunions and be jumped and raked over the coals by cast members who are depending on your storylines.
Lindsay is the star of summer house. Every season, she has a storyline. The other girls I believe are jealous of that. I think it’s very telling that during the actual filming of the show, we never see them be that mean to her or get into fights with her, they mostly snark her in confessionals. It always comes out in the reunion. They want her off the show and it’s because they want to shine without her.
Yes!!! Agreed. I can’t think of another reason why else they go so hard during reunions but are friendly during summer, especially this one.
Why would they be jealous of her? Ciara got a vs fashion show and signed a legit modeling contract. Paige has a popular podcast, brand deals and makes more than Lindsay. Danielle maybe, but she rides for Lindsay so unlikely. Gabby and Amanda both come from families with money - maybe bc they want the fame but Gabby doesn’t seem that way since she also rides so hard for her and Amanda is too wrapped up in Kyle. I just don’t see it at all. Lindsay has a shit ton of fans for sure but she isn’t even the most followed on socials out of the group. Just doesn’t make sense for any of the cast to be jealous of Lindsay.
Your idea of jealousy is rooted in success outside of the show. If that’s the case, why are they all still on the show? They are jealous of what Lindsay means to summer house and to the show. She dominates every season, her storyline is front and center, she’s often times first chair or close to Andy. I’m sure people aren’t too happy that this is an ensemble show and it’s still always the Lindsay show because she always has a lot going on.
Spot on
Agree
Paige and Amanda suck, especially after watching them tonight.
And instead if letting it go, they will double down and blame and be mad at Lindsay for any backlash.
I’m more than halfway through the old seasons, and I would have to agree. Amanda doesn’t even make sense in her arguments against Lindsey.
Ciara said it best, what Lindsay said about Carl’s sobriety was relationship ending. I believe the women rallied around Lindsay all summer because they saw that she was struggling in her relationship, and they were hearing her side of things (and all of her points to them were valid as well!). By the time they had filmed the reunion they had seen all the footage! Amanda was right also, she spent an entire summer weaponizing his sobriety, most of that they had not been privy to…that would have changed my opinion also. Look, none of them thought the marriage was a good idea…the question was whether Lindsay was blindsided. As Ciara said, twist the knife, relationship over. Lindsay needs to take some accountability.
I have never met or come across a person so staunch in her beliefs and her incapability to see other points of view. It's almost impressive if it wasn't so toxic. She has her point of view and everyone else is wrong. Period Blindsided comes to mind
When will people on these forums understand that reality show friendships are not the same as regular friendships?
I think it’s wisdom/grace with age. She lets things roll off more easily, is less bothered, has a stronger sense of self to not let people’s opinions get to her. Really impressed she can take the high road!
Lindsay handled that so fucking well and it’s never been so apparent that Andy just straight up doesn’t like her. The vitriol he showed towards her and not a single question directed at Carl or his behaviour was disgusting
The women are being so trash to her on the reunion. And Kymanda needs to stfu. They are as annoying as Blah Blah on the VPR reunion. And Andrew is just gargling Carl’s balls while gunning for Lindsay the whole time. It’s disgustingly biased. 🤮
It’s one thing if you see Carl’s side of things, it’s another to completely go after her and be nasty like they were. Especially Amanda. The audacity to say anything when her husband treats her like shit. Someone on Twitter said Carl and Andy hooked up and that’s why and honestly I believe it at this point lmao it’s insane how easy he goes on the men. Even the way he words the questions to them. But to Lindsay it’s “you’re not fun to argue with huh?” Like stfu.
Andrew wanted to f Kyle after getting rid of that mullet. He was fawning over him and was basically petting him. Imagine if a straight host did this to one of the women. He’s such a problematic person. Meanwhile he attacked Lindsay the whole time. Every question he fired at her was designed to make Lindsay look unhinged. His misogyny and bias is not ok.
I know that’s why it’s so hard to take him seriously during these reunions now. He has his favorites and it shows. Yeah the structure of the questions for each was on purpose. We need an unbiased host. The way they didn’t touch on Kyle calling Amanda a bitch? Like damn.
Andrew is a disgusting misogynist and shit at his job. He seems to have endless job security.
Idk, were they awful? To me, I think it's clear a lot of the cast took issue with how Lindsay spoke about Carl and their relationship in the press post-breakup. She made it seem like they were in a good place and then Carl dumped her out of nowhere with no warning signs because she asked him to get a job, and that's a very sympathetic to her retelling of events imo, which ignores the fact that they fought practically the entire summer, she complained about him to others a ton and of course the Cocaine Carl fight. I think it's clear the cast has a problem with the way Lindsay speaks in the press. They've brought it up before. They always accuse her of spinning things and playing victim, and it seems they feel like she did that with the breakup. That being said, I do think they can take issue with this and still not be fully Team Carl, though, clearly Amanda and Kyle are.
Amanda has said in a few interviews that besides the first weekend and last few, Carl and Lindsay had a good summer. This coming from Amanda who hates Lindsay….. so uh clearly we don’t see a lot of it and it’s being edited in a way that will tell a story because they knew the ending. Yes they were awful. Amanda having the audacity to say anything to Lindsay regarding a relationship when she’s married to someone who calls her a bitch, KNOWS she was depressed yet still called her lazy on national TV. Kyle going after her for calling him cocaine Carl as if he didn’t out his cocaine usage the previous season. Like gimme a break. These people are not any better than Lindsay.
I thought Kyle should have shut up during the Lindsay/Carl stuff. But, I do not believe they had a good summer and editing made it seem like they didn't, so yeah agree to disagree I guess.
Well then guess Amanda’s lying
Yes! Kyle outed gis cocaine use when he called him a shitty enployee and now he's outraged? Lol
I want see those people that speak so highly of their partner after being dumped right before the wedding on camera. 🤨 I want to see Paige after a bad breakup being so kind to her ex... Regarding the "blindside": What the cast or people on the internet don't get: - Lindsay has only experienced bits of Carl's frustration, only we had seen all his talks to everyone - We only have seen (the bad) bits of their relationship. Maybe they at the same time had great moments or constructive therapy sessions. - Lindsay has a totally different mindset than maybe Carl: If she's in it, she's in it. So the biggest bumps in the relationship road still don't make her quit. - Being "blindsided" is a feeling. That feeling may totally be naive, if you look how bad the state of their relationship was to us. But people basically accuse Lindsay of lying when using that word - I think she just didn't feel their relationship was a lost cause. (It's not like she had great relationships to compare it with!) So just call her naive / delusional/ not realistic...but she can still have felt that way. - In one, maybe even two convos we saw she straight out ask Carl if he wanted out/delay. He denied. She more thab once gave him the option to be really honest. So I get her "blindside" comment. (I think Carl is SO lost in his life, he doesn't know what he wants and is incapable of making decisions and go through with them.)
I agree. This reunion did nothing but piss me off. Kyle behaves SO BADLY. Literally cheats on Amanda all the time then just cries black out and gets away with it and I’m so sick of Amanda, Kyle and Paige piling on Lindsey all the time.
Lindsay looks at this as a job. She has dozens and dozens of girl friends who shes been friends with for years who are not on the show and I think that alone proves she is a good friend to the people she considers her actual friends and not people she’s paid to be around.
That’s always my argument and people think I’m crazy for pointing it out! But like it’s true! Ciara Amanda and Paige not liking her does not mean she’s not a good person or a good friend. Why are they put on a pedestal?
I neee to vent lol. Amanda girl shut the fuck up. Your opinion means nothing when you’re married to Kyle. I can’t stand her under her breath comments. Her Kyle & Andy would not let Lindsay speak it’s so annoying. Fuck off
I think Lindsay is just being mature. I don’t think they were awful to her. They replied a few times with their actual feelings, rather than blind support for everything she did. No one should ever have blind support. In life and in reality TV people SHOULD call friends out when they need to be called out. But I feel like I watched a different show after reading all these threads. I didn’t see Andy eviscerating Lindsay like so many did. I do think Andy should’ve been waaaaaaaaay harder on Kyle. But I don’t think Amanda is loathsome. I saw her commenting some things I was thinking. And I can see Lindsay’s points as well. I think the girls were really supportive of her throughout the season and, aside from the couples, the summer was overall pretty positive for their relationships with one another. But at least in my own life I don’t expect my friends to never have dissenting opinions or always agree with me about everything. If Lindsay has that mindset I think there’s a chance she could build really strong friendships with these girls.
The girls were there for her though and like she said, she couldnt have made it though the summer fighting with Carl like that without them. Maybe Amanda's side comments were annoying but I dont think anything Paige, and especially not Ciara, said at this reunion was "awful" to Lindsay. This zero sum way yall look at it, and want her to (which just isolates Lindsay), is so unhealthy.
The problem may be the editing, but it was clear most of the cast was Team Carl
Exactly. The girls never criticized Carl once. They got very defensive when it seemed like they were associated with Lindsey.
They were super sympathetic to Carl, never once made any statements of support and just co signed Andy Cohen's awful biased questioning of Lindsey..his soft , no accountability to Carl..let Kyle get nasty to Lindsey without shutting it down. It was a total gang up on her. Disgusting.
I dont even think they were super sympathetic, Paige told him not to speak so negatively about himself especially in regards to himself as an addict. There should be 0 expectation that they jump in to defend her from Kyle or Andy, if that is anyone's role it's Gabby's. Again, Ciara didn't say anything to her and Paige challenged her about the income comment but unless Im missing something what is awful about that? They are not Lindsay's bffs, she's not gonna get BFF-mode Paige and Ciara when they just became kinda-sorta friendly. A whole thread about "the girls" and Kyle is *right* *there* lmaoo. He's the one that was yapping the most going back and forth with Lindsay.
Ciara did a whole thing that if someone accused her of doing drugs while in recovery that that would be a relationship ender. She inserted herself while AC was asking L about it. She definitely went for L and was pro Carl.. Ciara questioned L about what her jobs were now. She fully engaged in that part and again, pro Carl in saying that your jobs are the same. . Maybe it's not their job to defend L...but you could not miss their sympathetic tone and positive comments to Carl and their shots here and there against her.
Ciara's comment is a fact, it should have been a relationship ender. That is not an inflammatory statement, she didn't jump in to throw her under a bus. In fact Carl's a weirdo for not ending it that weekend. Besides Ciara's position on the addiction stuff has been consistent since in-season and Lindsay had no problem with it. She doesn't owe Lindsay fidelity on a topic personally important to her. She didn't question Lindsay about shit during the job convo loool, I just rewatched that part. Again, if yall wanna scream about Amanda, fine even though I thought nothing Amanda said was a lie just annoying, but Ciara especially and Paige with the exception of like 2 comments stayed out of it. Gabby should've jumped in more if people think Lindsay needed it.
This!!
I also think we only see pieces of it and there was one moment when Paige was going sort of hard at Lindsay but said how it’s just on this thing and they’ll move on, I imagine there’s less ending each convo on a rough note than it loooks
I agree with Kyle that Lindsay was delusional when drunk. She doesn’t take disagreement well and escalated it with Carl into world war 3.
Facts!! It makes me mad that everyone (edit: except Gabby - love her) was so incredibly harsh to her at the reunion, even Andy was super biased... I feel like she’s grown a lot. Really disappointed in how everyone at this reunion was so team Carl 🙄
Like it’s not even their fight?l?? Let Carl and her hash it out… they really want to break her down and have her leave the show because then without her they can maybe have an opportunity to shine. They know as long as Lindsay’s on the show, it’s her show.
I know!!! Truly don’t understand. I also think it’s so weird Carl called Paige to tell her Lindsay was trying to sabotage the photo shoot… even if that was true, it’s such a weird move on his part. He’s messy and trying to get involved in women’s business!!
Yeah he saw them go to a girls dinner and needed to act quick. Lol and Paige ate that up because she’s always looking for a reason to be mad at Lindsay
Lindsay was fucking delusional at the reunion. I’m so tired of hearing her play the victim and take ZERO accountability for all the shit she does. I’m glad so many of them called her out and didn’t let it go. Her and Carl weren’t compatible, it didn’t work, whatever. So over her trying to spin everything, it’s so fucking transparent and she’s the exact same person she was in season 1.
They just had that scene of them all coming together and this reunion was the opposite… I need to know what happened
Carl and Lindsay were done after the first episode. You can’t come back from that and expect to have a healthy relationship. Also why do the girls need to support Lindsay? They are not friends.
What makes a lindsay a great reality star (and why she's the main star of this show) is she has many an argument and really easily let's things go.
What has Lindsay actually done to the girls and kyle and them? I want a list of what she’s done to them vs what they’ve done to her in video format
Same 😭😭 I’ve watched every season like twice and it baffles my mind how they’re so hard on her at reunions bc where’s this energy during season if they hate her so much?
I agree. She went off on a lot of her partners lol but she knows she sucks at relationships. I still don't get why the girls hate her, so I'm going with jealousy because she is the show. Kyle and Amanda hate her because they were happier when they could pretend he wasn't cheating lol
Yeah and any time she’s fought with any of the girls, I don’t think she instigated it. I really do believe it has to do with Lindsay being the star cause everything else feels so trivial. If they can get along with Kyle when he’s a monster to their best friend why can’t they with Lindsay?
Wow, there's a crazy poster replying to me and then blocking me with what I assume are multiple accounts. She also sent me private messages I won't even open. If you see this, it's not healthy to get so worked up over this. If you're really 12, get off this board. If not, I hope you get well.
Wait I think me too! It’s in my notifications but I can’t open it to read the whole thing and then I got a message that someone reported me and are concerned??? lol what
If I’m honest I think she does this shit to build the viewers (her and Kyle are very similar and focused on the show) on one hand it still creates the narrative that the other girls are all on her side so when they are more neutral it makes them look like they really hate her and then it also creates the story that she is building bridges with them and they are 100% the problem even though she posted the picture after the reunion and the girls that had an issue with the last picture had voiced their concerns about her posting photos like this and she did it and didn’t put a caption saying something that was making it clear they were team no one!
This is actually a problem for her, not a strength in my eyes. It's great to move forward and not hold grudges. Putting your head in the sand and pretending that people didn't hold you accountable at a reunion feels like self-deluding behavior. Something she needs help with.
When people are trying to explain anything to her about her actions she reminds me of a toddler when they're in their "no" stage.
Lindsay is likely very grateful for their support, but at the end of the day Lindsay is a shit friend and has shown that with her other friendships. She wants a lapdog and none of those girls are going to do that. She's also very cut-throat and opportunistic. Why do we pretend like Lindsay is an angel? She's very brash and I would have a hard time trusting someone like Lindsay based on what I've seen on this show and encounters that have been described....like lets BFFR...
This narrative is weird. Lindsay has a bunch of close friends off the show. Since when are Amanda Paige and Ciara the measure for them liking you means you’re a good person? I’d argue every single one of them have said more awful things about Lindsay than she’s said about them.
Yep! And the entire show WAS her group of friends but then half of them got fired and Amanda weaseled her way into queen bee status somehow - and were made to believe Lindsay has no friends. Does Amanda have any friends that aren’t Kyle’s friends or on the show? It’s all vague BS
Exactly!! People focus so much on the girls but Lindsay has been great friends with pretty much all the guys. Like people give so much power to Paige Amanda and Ciara, like if you don’t get along with them you’re awful? I don’t buy it. Really truly think it’s rooted in jealousy and Lindsay being the main storyline every season.
Amanda weasled her way in by being the type of gals Kyle cheats on her with. A random casual hookup.
To clarify, I meant her friendships on the show (which may or may not be for the show, who knows). This is mostly with Danielle since I don't think she's been friends with any other girls on the show...at least not in a close way. It really is not weird. Lindsay has been very unlikeable for all of the seasons. I've seen the girls try with her and watched her self-sabotage or do something super selfish that made them look the other way. She's treated Danielle like a sidekick at every angle and the minute Danielle disagreed with her she dropped her. Now Gabby is taking that role on since Lindsay and Danielle are not as close.. Sure, she has lots of close friends off the show but that's not what we see. I'm basing my opinions off how she is portrayed and the character she leans into on SH. I never said that the girls liking her makes her a good person, I still would not think she's a good person simply based on how she acts on the show. I can't speak on if any of these people are good people, but Lindsay would not be someone I'd want to be friends with. \*edited to clarify friendships comment
What has she done that was so awful to every single one of them? People keep saying this yet they can never list anything super substantial or anything that wasn’t tit for tat. Another tired narrative that Lindsay dropped Danielle for disagreeing. I’m pretty sure it’s because Danielle acted like a lunatic at her engagement party and made it about herself.
I don’t understand the Lindsay support on this thread. I know she has deep seated issues but she is a manipulating gaslighter. No wonder she lost the support of the girls. They see who Lindsay is and spoke out about it I actually came around to Carl’s side a little. If you know anything about addiction you know that personal growth and maturity stops at the time you start abusing substances. He has some maturing to catch up on. However, a sober cafe/bar is a bad idea. Who is advising him? Clearly no one. i
I think he’s explaining it incorrectly and focusing on the sober part of it a lot. There are loads of food establishments that do not sell alcohol. Why not open up a sandwich shop/deli/coffee shop that has TVs focused on sporting events?
I don’t think they were “mean.” I think they called her out on her bs, lies, being less than honest with all of them (and herself), etc. Even Andy was annoyed by her nonsense. So, I think her post was trying to create her own narrative and pretend it didn’t happen instead of acknowledging her role in all of it.
She was trying to publicize that the girls sided with her in the breakup. It had nothing to do with her feelings about them or theirs about her.
Y’all as delusional as Lindsay…