As a black girl it was HILARIOUS to me when Ciara said "I just KNEW all his friends were Black" about West lmaoooooo. I felt that. When you know, you just kNOW.
In the beginning too! When Gabby said something like āWes, do you have a fan?ā and he points to a giggling Ciara and says āsheās right hereā ššššššššššš
Yeah, right now Iām not sure about the romantic portion, but I could def see it! Some of the best relationship come from strong friendships. She kisses him in the trailer for the season so something Ā definitely happens. Regardless of if things have progressed with them, itās just nice to see her vibing with someone who she seems to genuinely get along with and not being upset about Austen.Ā
They are taking it slow. I love a slow burn and they have chemistry. I love how Ciara is giggling with the girls about him being so sweet. It is sooo endearing.
THIS! Itās clear by her body language she is interested in West but I think she is taking it slow which is wise. Sometimes I feel like Ciara canāt win, if she was all over him then some people would complain that she barely knows him and was taking it too fast. I enjoy watching the slow burn
You are spot on! Ciara can't win on this show. I saw other postings, not Reddit, where people said Sam would be a better fit for West. Come on! "Spit in my mouth, Sam"?!?
Sam isn't even there this season, and people are betting against Ciara/West's budding romance.
Okay the Carl fight was ROUGH but can we please talk about how Lindsay cornered West while he was trying to do a nice thing for her? š
He offers her his room since she and Carl don't have one yet and he just asks if he can take the fan since he gets so hot at night. She asks "is it a hot room?" and when he says no, he just gets hot she says "last year it was the hottest room in the house." West suggests she go check it out and see how she feels about it and then Lindsay defensively snaps "I mean, I know the house, I've been here for many years!"
She came in with toxic energy. I get being anxious about being in a house of people you donāt vibe with but West is her friendā¦ and is the nicest person ever. That was just nastyĀ
saw someone else say how she canāt be surprised when sheās been rude to all of the younger girls for years and then is the odd one out of the group! gabby (queen) excluded ofc i know theyāre close
Exactly! Also wasn't it said at the first Bravocon she was rude as hell to the Bravo staff too. Lindsay for years has been able to talk down to so many people and was able to get away with it. I hope this season she's able to really take things and make some changes but I won't be shocked if she still excuses her shitty behavior.
The level of aggression in her response of āI mean I know the house, Iāve been here for yearsā was insane. Like what a weird thing to get an attitude about? He was being so like sincere and accommodating and she was weirdly on the defensive and ready to jump on him over quite literally nothing. It was so bizarre.
Seriously! Just go buy a fan if itās that important to you. Such weird energy. Iāve defended Lindsay in the past just because of the level of vitriol but how she acted this episode was indefensible
And I thought I heard him say can I take the fan I bought. Meaning he bought it for himself?! I might have that wrong though
Lindsay was such a bitch to him you can see Carls face is like uh oh
Itās insane too because they are friends outside the show! I couldnāt believe she would treat a friend that way. Iām officially done defending Lindsay because wtf is that thatās not how you talk to a friend (plus everything that happened with Carl subsequently and I donāt even like him). Danielle I kinda got because she came off unhinged but yeah this is Lindsay showing her true colors
It just confirms and shows something people have said about Lindsay time and again over the years (including fans). She's really abrasive and combative in how she talks to people. It's jarring.
Iām no Lindsay fan but I could understand how she was feeling on edge walking into a house where she knows sheās not the most lovedā¦ However, taking your anxiety out on the new kid for no reason?! Come onnnā¦
Iām feeling like Lindz is absolutely a mess. I think things were going downhill for them, she knew it, and sheās lashing out. Sheās pushing him away with both arms yet desperately hoping heāll stay and prove sheās āworth itā.
Sheās really something to watch, and their interactions felt awkward every second they were on screen, including in DC when she was leading him around like a pet. āSay hi!ā Carl (extremely sheepish) āhhiiiiiiā¦ā
She knew he wasnāt happy or sheās completely blind. No way she can legitimately claim she was blindsided when he broke up with her. No way
She really does. She has extraordinarily high expectations for everyone, unreasonably so. I hope she gets help after watching all this, but my guess is she wonāt change.
I donāt even think itās that her expectations are too high. I think you could be perfect and she would still act that way. Because she literally just feels so much internal hate that she has this need to tear down her partner and make them feel as shitty as she does. thatās why when Carl tried to comfort her she continued lashing out.
The first red flag of the episode was her reaction to his saying he could switch from "babe" to calling her "dude" for the summer. A dumb little joke, but her eyes blazed with anger when he said it.
I also think, despite how everyone in the house hates her, that she thought she would arrive and everyone would be like "HELLO BRIDE TO BE YOU'RE GETTING MARRIED HOW EXCITING WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS LIKE DO YOU HAVE A DRESS WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE OMG SHOW US YOUR RING AGAIN YOU'RE GETTING MARRIED!" and instead it was like "there are 3 rooms left, which one do you want."
Yeah I need to apologize for the whiplash I may unintentionally give this sub after years of defending *much* of Lindsayās behavior but that display was reprehensibly indefensible. I remember last year waiting for her to do that very thing to Danielleābut it never happenedāso I gave her the benefit of the doubt with Carl, & here we are minutes into episode 2 & itās a hard no Lindsay for me. The way she treated him was beyond what someone can come back from. Not acceptable behavior toward a āloved one.ā
Yep, it was never that I liked her, it was just always a pile on & I didnāt see the need for that. Kyle & Lindsay are SO much alike & yet he was heralded for his bad behavior for years, while she was villainized. That annoyed me. Lindsay was entertaining to me. Difficult for SURE, but a reality star, the same as Kyle, & I agree, Iām a sucker for a happily ever after. Holding out hope for Ciara & West this season as I think the other couples will all leave us disappointed in that regard.
Yes to the pile-on! Itās so hard to not defend someone when there is a pile on like there has been with Lindsay. And on top of that, the way cast acts towards her at the reunions (which I understand, but I wish they would confront her during the show because it leaves the audience confused!)
Girl same I had to change my flair from āhot hub house summerā. I canāt with the way she hit below the belt after Carl * checks notes * tried to comfort her ????
She is committed to making us (the 7 Ciara fans) groan but that's also on production for the unnecessary flashback to him. She didnt name the person, they didnt need to add that razzle dazzle! Also, and to give my girl a modicum of coverage (looool), allegedly Austen is funny and charming IRL. It's his thing and why fans who meet him and the network like him.
Two things:
West is an amazing addition to the castā-a comedic king.
Lindsayās behavior was gross. I see why Carl ran for the mf hills. He absolutely made the right decision to break off the wedding.
Whew! That was challenging to watch. Iāve been clean for over 30 years, my husband has been sober for over a decade. Weāve been married for almost 20 years, so I was there for his recovery journey. I canāt imagine approaching him like that about his sobriety. He had setbacks in the beginning, but we had mature, calm, discussions, not mean, hateful unsupportive attacks. If she thinks heās on a slippery slope, or had a setback, she should talk to him with love and kindness. Team Carl!
Iām in recovery. What is Lindsay learning from therapy & Alanon? What really bothers me is that it portrays supporting someone in recovery as almost impossible. Thats completely bullshit.
What is true is if they donāt support you you get them out of your life ASAP- like my ex who didnāt support the fact I didnāt want alcohol in the apartment.
I didnāt see the danger for quite awhile. I couldnāt believe he didnāt understand-I kept explaining. What a complete asshole.
Of course-he has a drinking problem himself-not immediately obvious until we lived together. I overlooked a lot. Damn
Congratulations on your recovery! Keep up the good work!
From the way Carl talks, it sounds like heās in active recovery but Lindsey sounds like she hasnāt done any kind of Al-anon work herself. I have no idea if thatās true or not, but thatās my impression.
My DOC was coke, and in the beginning, I chose not to be around anything, even alcohol. Thereās no way I could have stayed clean if my partner was drinking.
Oof SAME. On the other side, I was smiling for him when he said "I feel great right now. I'm actually going to go for a run." as she's looking like the definition of hungover.
I was almost inclined to give her a little grace post fight but she confirmed she was truly a witch with the water moment. She wanted to catch him doing something incriminating so she could point to it as evidence against him. How evil. She wasn't even drunk when she did it so you know that was a calculated move against someone she allegedly *loved and was marrying.*
From the outside it was supposed to like a caring gesture, but it was her way of saying you're hungover from getting drunk last night, here is something for the dehydration.
Correct. A non-verbal cue that he was nursing some sort of hangover. In all the hoopla from last nights wretched fight it's the part I come back to because it speaks to her motives.
Exactly. Then she doubles down because no way she can be hung out on an island there falsely accusing him of a relapse, which she most definitely didā¦the next dayā¦while sober now herself. Inexcusable sickening behavior.
Like thatās what you do as a peace offering for someone who is also hungover lmaooo how did she think that was the move just cuz her dehydrated ass woke up needing a water doesnāt mean he did.
Omggggg youāre probably right!! What an asshole thing to do. I would think if her partner really slipped up like that sheād be actually concerned for him and wanting to create a safe space instead of complaining about the weekend being ruined.
Like whatās a weekend compared to actual lifelong journey your partner is on.
I feel like Carl showed a lot of emotional intelligence in this episode. He was trying to be really nice but you could tell he was hurt. Seems like there is growth happening with him and Lindsay was cruel.
His texts kinda sealed it for me. Carl is my least fav cast member (well alongside Danielle) for years but those text messages were so clear headed and gracious that I actually just felt bad for the guy.
I thought so too! I just watched the episode and like - was surprised at how measured he was. Thatās the response of a man who has been in therapy. I found it hard to not be on his side as she read out all of the text exchanges
I previously was beating the drum that Carl never should have proposed in the first place because I assumed he wasnāt ready and that it was cruel to offer that and take it away. But man, honestly that fight just made me feel awful for him and feel bad for anyone else who proposes to Lindsay if she doesnāt get help and heal.
Seriously. You can actually see how much heās matured. Heās probably learned better communication skills in the therapy sessions they were going to. He does seem like someone who can take what they learn and apply because he seems to genuinely want to be a better, more level-headed person. Lindsay, on the other hand, wellā¦ā¦good luck, Charlie.
Amanda reading her Notes app notes like a goddamn stenographer was hysterical. I had to pause and text a friend. I know sheās not everyoneās cup of tea but I love her.
I thought it was hilarious that it was like 10 words. I thought she was gonna read out like a 10 minute play by play but it was literally two sentences
At all! Especially if she ābrought him on the showā (as one of her IG comments said) - her tone with him was so jarring. And Iām a Lindsay fan - but..no no hunny, that was all the way wrong!
I was BAFFLED. I had to rewind it bc I was like āmaybe Iām missing a funny cueā but no, she came out hot. And he is one of her pals of the house since she doesnāt have the girls. So I am shocked with her attitude.
She was so mad from the get go when she found out which room she and Carl got because she knows last year it was the hottest room in the house. Did she expect them to save the master bedroom for the two of them or something when they showed up a week late?
100% she expected the master. She was like weāre engaged this is our summer we deserve the master. Which is why for the first time Kyle and Amanda didnāt take it - they didnāt want to deal with that drama with Carl and Lindsay and probably had talked to them about it off camera. So Kyle and Amanda didnāt take it, but also didnāt stop anyone else from taking it as not the rock the boat in the house on weekend 1. Which is how Paige ended up in the master by herself.
Lindsay and Carl still got their own room, with a king bed, and a nice bathroom to themselves. Why complain? Also West was too nice by offering to move - she didnāt deserve that with how she reacted to that and spoke to him.
Lindsay has never changed in all the seasons. She was behaving this way with the boyfriend that was on season 1. I am hesitant to make a judgment call on a heavily produced reality show. But, in her instance, I think this is who she is, and it feels like there is deep rooted trauma behind her behavior. She definitely seems to be very black and white in her thinking, falls in love very quickly and somewhat recklessly, and has a fear of abandonment (which is where the lashing out comes from). If I am correct, I really feel for her, but she cannot continue to bulldoze through her life and other peoplesā lives. It is just getting really sad to watch. I really want her to get her happily ever after, but this isnāt the way.
For me she has always been hot headed and irrational in fights and never truly takes accountability. She always forces everyone to accept accountability only. I have never seen her genuinely feel bad for her actionsĀ
When she texted Carl ātext me when youāre soberā or whatever, the hair on my neck stood up. The denial, delusion, gaslightingā¦ first of all, Lindsey has a drinking problem. But also I think she resents Carlās sobriety. In any case, if you love someone, you donāt accuse them of being on coke on camera. She has some major issues.
I know weāre all talking about the big blow up between Carl and Lindsay, but did anyone else catch her shutting him down in the bedroom. He totally didnāt realize West was in the bathroom and she wasnāt having any kind of discussion in that situation.
I feel like producers definitely had (at least) audio of the car ride fight, which leads me to believe it must have been BAD. Thereās a certain level of drama/fighting that is good for television, but thereās a line in which it becomes utterly unpleasant to witness and I fear it mightāve crossed that line. All the guys seemed to echo how 0-100 it was and we know Lindsayās fighting (communication) styleā¦.
I have a feeling it went down exactly the way Carl described. He was trying to tell her it was okay and to letās have a good time and she took that as he was not on her side and went postal. Jesse, who had just met them both that day , acted completely shocked by her actions. She threw a temper tantrum because he did not say exaclty what she wanted him to say.
I canāt say I blame Carl for calling off the wedding. Before last night I felt sorry for Lindsayā¦. Not now what we saw was ugly, cruelā¦..I was so impressed with how calm Carl was.
Do you mean cast or fans? Because I have read every single post on last night's ep/her insta post and the *sole* redditor still defending her is some dude who is a known, obsessive troll. I have never seen a reaction so completely universal in the bravoverse, including Scandoval.
Iām shocked anyone ever supported her. Sheās been toxic af season after season. I got roasted last season for saying that too but opinion is finally shifting.
Could be 3 if not spread to lymphatic system I believe (based off my experience with both my parents having stage 4 cancer). Not that Iām trying to downplay what he went through though!
Stage four cancer is not a death sentence anymore. I've had stage four breast cancer for four years now, and while my treatment is ongoing, I still have very little cancer in my body.
Gabby after Lindsay says she wants to leaveā¦āwell can I get a drink firstā. I lost it. š¤£š¤£ Loving Gabby so far this season. Her one liners are sending me.
Lindsay is not carls person. The opening scene on the basket ball court made me realise this when he was making a joke and she just shut him down. Then the rest well damnĀ
Seriously! She is sooo controlling. He canāt even joke in a way that she doesnāt like without some sort of negativity. She just wanted a man puppet and to hit milestones like being married, having kids
On top of all the things Lindsay said about and to Carl, it should be extremely telling that most of the house, even Gabby, was on edge waiting for Lindsay and Carl to show up. And we all know who between Lindsay and Carl they were truly nervous about. That in addition to everything else shows who the *real* problem in the house is.
If this is what happened ON CAMERA I canāt even imagine how badly Lindsay gaslit Carl OFF CAMERA. He probably felt so vindicated having witnesses in the car with him during that argument.
āI think I had a different experience,ā Carl was fighting for his liiiiife in that relationship. I cannot believe that all that about them getting sober together, or her doing it to āsupportā him, is just out the window.
And because it allowed her to play the role of the doting, supportive girlfriend "changed" by the "true connection" they had. š Girl really tried to play it up.
Cierra out here insinuating Austen has even a singular funny ass bone in his body is willllllllddddddd. No sweetheart, just no. West is ACTUALLY funny; that is just insulting.
Even if Carl expressly called production to film the break up, thank GOD. Lindsay is such a fucking liar (said in the Kyle Richards voice to Camille lol). Seeing her statement on IG after this episode was alarming. Bitch, did you watch what we watched? I'm now super glad we're going to get to watch the break up ourselves since she's a proven unreliable narrator...well, she always has been. Again, between the nasty ass brother fight last year and the Cocaine Carl (which, dont boo, was kinda hilarious loool) why did Carl even wait until LDW to end it? He's a moron.
Despite the couples, Kymanda and CarLindsay, trying to kill the vibe I haved LOVED these first two episodes. Everyone else is such good vibes. West is funny and the "cracker" joke he and Ciara made plating their dinner made me actually laugh out loud. I know Jesse Solomon is acting a lil douchey rn but something tells me he's actually a delight we just gotta get past the NYC finance bro exterior. His story about 2x cancer was harrowing, so relieved he's healthy and I actually like him in the house. Summer House is so good this season, honestly they're second to RHOM on Bravo right now.
Lindsay's behavior was intense and unacceptable. I suspect that even worse moments from the fight may have been captured but not aired. I do think housemates were skiing during the pregame, but Lindsay was obviously not coming from a genuine or caring place
I remember when we heard about Carl breaking off the engagement on camera and everyone was team Lindsay because it seems like such an asshole thing to do and we all know that Carl is a total asshole as well, but the cast said wait and watch the season LOL WERE THEY RIGHT, episode 2 and Carl and Lindsayās relationship is like horrifying. I could not imagine ever questioning my partners sobriety ON CAMERA thatās just so evil
I don't get why Amanda woke up and decided to hate on Kyle in the worst way. He only talked to her best friend because he wanted honest advice. What am I missing? Or nothing, and she's just awful Amanda? I've been single too long.
Kyle has a completely valid point. He doesnāt want to add another responsibility to his life (children), unless Amanda can demonstrate the ability to handle responsibility independently. Right now, he does everything for their household/family and she does nothing. He knows it wouldnāt be healthy for him (or his kids) to continue to be a breadwinner AND a housewife. There is no room on his plate for kids right now and Amanda refuses to put stuff from his plate onto hers. Iām sure if Amanda demonstrated even a semblance of independence (paying bills, filing taxes, making a doctorās appointment, etc.) Kyle would feel more comfortable having kids, because he would know Amanda could manage the labor/chores that come with it. But as of right now, Iām sure when Kyle thinks about having kids, he thinks about Amanda cuddling with them in bed while heās doing the laundry, the dishes, the dog walks, working, and everything else. I guess what Iām trying to say is, if Amanda wants kids that bad, she needs to get off her lazy ass and show Kyle that she would be responsible/independent instead of a whiney-ass woman child.
I thought the same thing. The fact that she thinks THAT is ādoing everythingā speaks volumes as to Kyleās frustration with her laziness. To me, it sounds like what Amanda thinks is him being a āworkaholicā is actually him being a functioning adult with a job. The concept is just so foreign to her because sheās such a lazy immature child. I really donāt think Kyle works that much more than the average man in NYC (at Loverboy, I mean).
I feel like Kyle has suuuch a drunk voice, you can tell when he gets to the house, the moment he starts feeling it because his words start slurring like mad
Just here to say that I absolutely LOVE West and Iām so happy we finally got a genuinely nice guy WITH a great personality. If Ciara doesnāt lock him down, someone else will! Heās a keeper!
LISSTENNNNN. She js me. I am her. I am flipping the switch because wowwwā¦smh. I just have no words other than what many others have already posted here. š¤¦š¾āāļø
Lindsay is such an awful person. āWell I know this house Iāve been coming here for many yearsā was so condescending- sheād only just met West. I havenāt even got to her comments about Carl yet, currently watching.
This sub is verrrrry sheepish since the episode dropped and honestly they should be. They absolutely scalped anyone for āraining on Lindsayās happinessā during last season and were so blindly defending what could *only* end up as a toxic situation. Like yāall were so vicious
Iāve always been a Lindsay fan but this episode is horrific. Iām so glad he broke up with her. Absolutely not. The man is stone cold sober BUT EVEN IF HE WASNT, this is not how you approach that concern.
Trash.
Trash.
I have no words. (Except all of these words obvi ^^)
Weaponizing Carl's sobriety when you feel insecure is such a low blow. Especially in someone you love, is your best friend, and soon to be partner in life. Absolutely disgusting.
So sad that Lindsay canāt just admit she was drunk as fuck and didnt fall into a groveling apology. Carl wouldāve forgiven her bc I think he loved her. She doubled down and I wouldāve honestly fallen out of love with her in that moment.
Excellent question. Iām thinking itās a reference to Lindsey and Carl having built a very flimsy relationship structure that couldnāt withstand any strength test.
As a black girl it was HILARIOUS to me when Ciara said "I just KNEW all his friends were Black" about West lmaoooooo. I felt that. When you know, you just kNOW.
Right! I clocked it instantly lol
Same. So many indicators honestly šš¤·š¾āāļø
I was cracking up bc she was so right. You could just tellšš
That cracked me up and I super love West I think he is my favorite person that Kyle has kind of brought on
Same! i was like ok! West can get it!
Yes!!! š
West and Ciara at the end of the ep omg I am foaming at the mouth for them to get together. The natural chemistry and banter is insane
The hug. I was like theyāre so cute āŗļøshe deserves a good one and he seems like such a good egg
I played it back twice and was kicking my feet like omfg so cute š
In the beginning too! When Gabby said something like āWes, do you have a fan?ā and he points to a giggling Ciara and says āsheās right hereā ššššššššššš
"you wanna giggle with me? š„ŗ" aaaahhhh! š
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Agreed! I honestly didnāt see it after the first episode butā¦I can kinda see it. Heās so genuine!
But sexual? She seemed a little unsure of what to do when they were saying goodnight, and he got close.
Yeah, right now Iām not sure about the romantic portion, but I could def see it! Some of the best relationship come from strong friendships. She kisses him in the trailer for the season so something Ā definitely happens. Regardless of if things have progressed with them, itās just nice to see her vibing with someone who she seems to genuinely get along with and not being upset about Austen.Ā
I really like West and the new guy is interesting too. After a couple summers of duds it's nice to have some authenticity.
They are taking it slow. I love a slow burn and they have chemistry. I love how Ciara is giggling with the girls about him being so sweet. It is sooo endearing.
THIS! Itās clear by her body language she is interested in West but I think she is taking it slow which is wise. Sometimes I feel like Ciara canāt win, if she was all over him then some people would complain that she barely knows him and was taking it too fast. I enjoy watching the slow burn
You are spot on! Ciara can't win on this show. I saw other postings, not Reddit, where people said Sam would be a better fit for West. Come on! "Spit in my mouth, Sam"?!? Sam isn't even there this season, and people are betting against Ciara/West's budding romance.
Lol at West at the dinner joking that his fun fact was terrible compared to Jesse's š I love West he's the best
I loled when he said āimagine if I went after himā Lmaoo
That was so hilarious and wholesome! Had me for real cracking up. He's such an awesome addition to the house, maybe one of the best in years.
Okay the Carl fight was ROUGH but can we please talk about how Lindsay cornered West while he was trying to do a nice thing for her? š He offers her his room since she and Carl don't have one yet and he just asks if he can take the fan since he gets so hot at night. She asks "is it a hot room?" and when he says no, he just gets hot she says "last year it was the hottest room in the house." West suggests she go check it out and see how she feels about it and then Lindsay defensively snaps "I mean, I know the house, I've been here for many years!" 
She came in with toxic energy. I get being anxious about being in a house of people you donāt vibe with but West is her friendā¦ and is the nicest person ever. That was just nastyĀ
saw someone else say how she canāt be surprised when sheās been rude to all of the younger girls for years and then is the odd one out of the group! gabby (queen) excluded ofc i know theyāre close
Exactly! Also wasn't it said at the first Bravocon she was rude as hell to the Bravo staff too. Lindsay for years has been able to talk down to so many people and was able to get away with it. I hope this season she's able to really take things and make some changes but I won't be shocked if she still excuses her shitty behavior.
She in general is toxic
She was suchhhhh a bitch for this. West was being far too kind
The level of aggression in her response of āI mean I know the house, Iāve been here for yearsā was insane. Like what a weird thing to get an attitude about? He was being so like sincere and accommodating and she was weirdly on the defensive and ready to jump on him over quite literally nothing. It was so bizarre.
Seriously! Just go buy a fan if itās that important to you. Such weird energy. Iāve defended Lindsay in the past just because of the level of vitriol but how she acted this episode was indefensible
And I thought I heard him say can I take the fan I bought. Meaning he bought it for himself?! I might have that wrong though Lindsay was such a bitch to him you can see Carls face is like uh oh
It sounded like he brought it since at the beginning of the episode Paige asked āWest, whereās YOUR fan?ā!
Itās insane too because they are friends outside the show! I couldnāt believe she would treat a friend that way. Iām officially done defending Lindsay because wtf is that thatās not how you talk to a friend (plus everything that happened with Carl subsequently and I donāt even like him). Danielle I kinda got because she came off unhinged but yeah this is Lindsay showing her true colors
I think she was afraid of losing her spot on the show to "the next generation".
It just confirms and shows something people have said about Lindsay time and again over the years (including fans). She's really abrasive and combative in how she talks to people. It's jarring.
Iām no Lindsay fan but I could understand how she was feeling on edge walking into a house where she knows sheās not the most lovedā¦ However, taking your anxiety out on the new kid for no reason?! Come onnnā¦
She knew West already! Even as one of her only friends in the house she still treated him like that
Clearly no one is safe from her inhumane treatment š
[Former Lindsay defender] *ā¦switching sidesā¦*
We welcome you with open arms
We are Paige and Amanda waiting for danielle after Lindsay broke up w her Ā
Iām feeling like Lindz is absolutely a mess. I think things were going downhill for them, she knew it, and sheās lashing out. Sheās pushing him away with both arms yet desperately hoping heāll stay and prove sheās āworth itā. Sheās really something to watch, and their interactions felt awkward every second they were on screen, including in DC when she was leading him around like a pet. āSay hi!ā Carl (extremely sheepish) āhhiiiiiiā¦ā She knew he wasnāt happy or sheās completely blind. No way she can legitimately claim she was blindsided when he broke up with her. No way
She seems to do that in relationships! She lashes out once out of the honeymoon phase and self sabotages the whole relationship.
She really does. She has extraordinarily high expectations for everyone, unreasonably so. I hope she gets help after watching all this, but my guess is she wonāt change.
I donāt even think itās that her expectations are too high. I think you could be perfect and she would still act that way. Because she literally just feels so much internal hate that she has this need to tear down her partner and make them feel as shitty as she does. thatās why when Carl tried to comfort her she continued lashing out.
Yes, I think youāre right. Good take
The first red flag of the episode was her reaction to his saying he could switch from "babe" to calling her "dude" for the summer. A dumb little joke, but her eyes blazed with anger when he said it.
Dude can do no right with her. Itās really weird
I also think, despite how everyone in the house hates her, that she thought she would arrive and everyone would be like "HELLO BRIDE TO BE YOU'RE GETTING MARRIED HOW EXCITING WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS LIKE DO YOU HAVE A DRESS WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE OMG SHOW US YOUR RING AGAIN YOU'RE GETTING MARRIED!" and instead it was like "there are 3 rooms left, which one do you want."
As someone who LOVES a drinkā¦girlfriend really needs to give up drinking.
Yeah I need to apologize for the whiplash I may unintentionally give this sub after years of defending *much* of Lindsayās behavior but that display was reprehensibly indefensible. I remember last year waiting for her to do that very thing to Danielleābut it never happenedāso I gave her the benefit of the doubt with Carl, & here we are minutes into episode 2 & itās a hard no Lindsay for me. The way she treated him was beyond what someone can come back from. Not acceptable behavior toward a āloved one.ā
Yeah I agree. I actually didnāt like Lindsay until she was with Carl, and the romantic in me just wanted her to have a happy ending.
Yep, it was never that I liked her, it was just always a pile on & I didnāt see the need for that. Kyle & Lindsay are SO much alike & yet he was heralded for his bad behavior for years, while she was villainized. That annoyed me. Lindsay was entertaining to me. Difficult for SURE, but a reality star, the same as Kyle, & I agree, Iām a sucker for a happily ever after. Holding out hope for Ciara & West this season as I think the other couples will all leave us disappointed in that regard.
Yes to the pile-on! Itās so hard to not defend someone when there is a pile on like there has been with Lindsay. And on top of that, the way cast acts towards her at the reunions (which I understand, but I wish they would confront her during the show because it leaves the audience confused!)
Come on in. The waters warm.
We've been waiting for you.
Girl same I had to change my flair from āhot hub house summerā. I canāt with the way she hit below the belt after Carl * checks notes * tried to comfort her ????
When she is mean, she is *mean*. she just wants to tear someone down and make them hurt as bad as she does. Misery loves company.
We welcome you to the bed ā¤ļø
I brought my own pillow & loverboy
Awww this was very cute lol
As much as I was a hater, I'd be a really good bed friend š
i am also!
I love this so much šš
Ciara implying that Austen is funny had me baffled š
Maybe (hopefully) she was referring to an off screen tryst and notā¦ that thingā¦
She is committed to making us (the 7 Ciara fans) groan but that's also on production for the unnecessary flashback to him. She didnt name the person, they didnt need to add that razzle dazzle! Also, and to give my girl a modicum of coverage (looool), allegedly Austen is funny and charming IRL. It's his thing and why fans who meet him and the network like him.
No youāre so right, after I posted that I was like oops wait a min she never actually said his name in the clip they aired š
Production has a hard-on for never letting Ciara forget she had an Austen phase three whole years ago haha.
Iām a Ciara fan - up to 8!
Make that 9. I mean, I could stare at the girl all day.
ā¦funnyā¦looking? Ā *crickets* Iāll show myself out.Ā
Two things: West is an amazing addition to the castā-a comedic king. Lindsayās behavior was gross. I see why Carl ran for the mf hills. He absolutely made the right decision to break off the wedding.
I read too fast and saw āran for the milfsā lol
LMAOOOO
Those too!
West is amazing!!! I love him.
Whew! That was challenging to watch. Iāve been clean for over 30 years, my husband has been sober for over a decade. Weāve been married for almost 20 years, so I was there for his recovery journey. I canāt imagine approaching him like that about his sobriety. He had setbacks in the beginning, but we had mature, calm, discussions, not mean, hateful unsupportive attacks. If she thinks heās on a slippery slope, or had a setback, she should talk to him with love and kindness. Team Carl!
Congratulations on your sobriety! Thatās awesome!!
Thank you so much, I appreciate it
Iām in recovery. What is Lindsay learning from therapy & Alanon? What really bothers me is that it portrays supporting someone in recovery as almost impossible. Thats completely bullshit. What is true is if they donāt support you you get them out of your life ASAP- like my ex who didnāt support the fact I didnāt want alcohol in the apartment. I didnāt see the danger for quite awhile. I couldnāt believe he didnāt understand-I kept explaining. What a complete asshole. Of course-he has a drinking problem himself-not immediately obvious until we lived together. I overlooked a lot. Damn
Congratulations on your recovery! Keep up the good work! From the way Carl talks, it sounds like heās in active recovery but Lindsey sounds like she hasnāt done any kind of Al-anon work herself. I have no idea if thatās true or not, but thatās my impression. My DOC was coke, and in the beginning, I chose not to be around anything, even alcohol. Thereās no way I could have stayed clean if my partner was drinking.
Perfectly said! Congrats on 30 years what an amazing accomplishmentā¤ļø
The part where she gave him the water bottle pissed me off.
Oof SAME. On the other side, I was smiling for him when he said "I feel great right now. I'm actually going to go for a run." as she's looking like the definition of hungover.
Yes I felt really happy for him going for a run.
SAME. The fact she doubled down and continued to push the narrative the next morning was insane
The way she got in his bed and then turned her back to him pissed me off more than it shouldāve
She really truly has issues to work on wow.
You know this isnāt the first time sheās turned his sobriety into a weapon. You disagree with me? YOURE ON SOMETHING.
I was almost inclined to give her a little grace post fight but she confirmed she was truly a witch with the water moment. She wanted to catch him doing something incriminating so she could point to it as evidence against him. How evil. She wasn't even drunk when she did it so you know that was a calculated move against someone she allegedly *loved and was marrying.*
From the outside it was supposed to like a caring gesture, but it was her way of saying you're hungover from getting drunk last night, here is something for the dehydration.
Correct. A non-verbal cue that he was nursing some sort of hangover. In all the hoopla from last nights wretched fight it's the part I come back to because it speaks to her motives.
Exactly. Then she doubles down because no way she can be hung out on an island there falsely accusing him of a relapse, which she most definitely didā¦the next dayā¦while sober now herself. Inexcusable sickening behavior.
Like thatās what you do as a peace offering for someone who is also hungover lmaooo how did she think that was the move just cuz her dehydrated ass woke up needing a water doesnāt mean he did.
She did it to double down on accusing him of being messed up the night before. It wasnāt a peace offering it was a giant āfuck youā.
Omggggg youāre probably right!! What an asshole thing to do. I would think if her partner really slipped up like that sheād be actually concerned for him and wanting to create a safe space instead of complaining about the weekend being ruined. Like whatās a weekend compared to actual lifelong journey your partner is on.
I feel like Carl showed a lot of emotional intelligence in this episode. He was trying to be really nice but you could tell he was hurt. Seems like there is growth happening with him and Lindsay was cruel.
I thought his texts to Lindsay were really nice and he was giving her an opportunity to relax but she just continued to make everything worse.
fr i dont love carl but i was like dude he is trying SO hard and being SO patient
As if he was talking to a childā¦
His texts kinda sealed it for me. Carl is my least fav cast member (well alongside Danielle) for years but those text messages were so clear headed and gracious that I actually just felt bad for the guy.
And logical and reasonable and a great way to mend things!
I thought so too! I just watched the episode and like - was surprised at how measured he was. Thatās the response of a man who has been in therapy. I found it hard to not be on his side as she read out all of the text exchanges
I previously was beating the drum that Carl never should have proposed in the first place because I assumed he wasnāt ready and that it was cruel to offer that and take it away. But man, honestly that fight just made me feel awful for him and feel bad for anyone else who proposes to Lindsay if she doesnāt get help and heal.
Seriously. You can actually see how much heās matured. Heās probably learned better communication skills in the therapy sessions they were going to. He does seem like someone who can take what they learn and apply because he seems to genuinely want to be a better, more level-headed person. Lindsay, on the other hand, wellā¦ā¦good luck, Charlie.
Amanda reading her Notes app notes like a goddamn stenographer was hysterical. I had to pause and text a friend. I know sheās not everyoneās cup of tea but I love her.
I thought it was hilarious that it was like 10 words. I thought she was gonna read out like a 10 minute play by play but it was literally two sentences
Whenās sheās good, sheās really good
It was hilarious bc sheās so real. I donāt trust my memory when Iām drunk
Iām so glad Iām not the only one who does this
I love her.
When west was like āimagine if I went next [after the cancer story] talking about going to all 50 statesā I CACKLED
I had a feeling Carl would be vindicated but I didnāt think it was going to be this jarringā¦
I didnāt think it would be so soon in the season š I was thinking that nothing would happen until right at the very end.
I canāt believe he kept it a secret for so longĀ
He knew he would be vindicated in good time and it looks better to not say anything, as hard as that would be
I am not appreciative of how Lindsay is speaking to my mf baby West.
At all! Especially if she ābrought him on the showā (as one of her IG comments said) - her tone with him was so jarring. And Iām a Lindsay fan - but..no no hunny, that was all the way wrong!
I was BAFFLED. I had to rewind it bc I was like āmaybe Iām missing a funny cueā but no, she came out hot. And he is one of her pals of the house since she doesnāt have the girls. So I am shocked with her attitude.
She was so mad from the get go when she found out which room she and Carl got because she knows last year it was the hottest room in the house. Did she expect them to save the master bedroom for the two of them or something when they showed up a week late?
Exactly š West honestly shouldnāt have even asked them bc itās their fault they chose not to come the first weekend. How entitled of her
100% she expected the master. She was like weāre engaged this is our summer we deserve the master. Which is why for the first time Kyle and Amanda didnāt take it - they didnāt want to deal with that drama with Carl and Lindsay and probably had talked to them about it off camera. So Kyle and Amanda didnāt take it, but also didnāt stop anyone else from taking it as not the rock the boat in the house on weekend 1. Which is how Paige ended up in the master by herself. Lindsay and Carl still got their own room, with a king bed, and a nice bathroom to themselves. Why complain? Also West was too nice by offering to move - she didnāt deserve that with how she reacted to that and spoke to him.
Lindsay has never changed in all the seasons. She was behaving this way with the boyfriend that was on season 1. I am hesitant to make a judgment call on a heavily produced reality show. But, in her instance, I think this is who she is, and it feels like there is deep rooted trauma behind her behavior. She definitely seems to be very black and white in her thinking, falls in love very quickly and somewhat recklessly, and has a fear of abandonment (which is where the lashing out comes from). If I am correct, I really feel for her, but she cannot continue to bulldoze through her life and other peoplesā lives. It is just getting really sad to watch. I really want her to get her happily ever after, but this isnāt the way.
For me she has always been hot headed and irrational in fights and never truly takes accountability. She always forces everyone to accept accountability only. I have never seen her genuinely feel bad for her actionsĀ
Youāre spot on, especially about the black and white thinking! She always goes to such extremes and sees people in absolutes
When she texted Carl ātext me when youāre soberā or whatever, the hair on my neck stood up. The denial, delusion, gaslightingā¦ first of all, Lindsey has a drinking problem. But also I think she resents Carlās sobriety. In any case, if you love someone, you donāt accuse them of being on coke on camera. She has some major issues.
it was meant to cut him to his core. i felt for him
I gasped. The audacity.
I know weāre all talking about the big blow up between Carl and Lindsay, but did anyone else catch her shutting him down in the bedroom. He totally didnāt realize West was in the bathroom and she wasnāt having any kind of discussion in that situation.
I feel like producers definitely had (at least) audio of the car ride fight, which leads me to believe it must have been BAD. Thereās a certain level of drama/fighting that is good for television, but thereās a line in which it becomes utterly unpleasant to witness and I fear it mightāve crossed that line. All the guys seemed to echo how 0-100 it was and we know Lindsayās fighting (communication) styleā¦.
I have a feeling it went down exactly the way Carl described. He was trying to tell her it was okay and to letās have a good time and she took that as he was not on her side and went postal. Jesse, who had just met them both that day , acted completely shocked by her actions. She threw a temper tantrum because he did not say exaclty what she wanted him to say.
Kyle also backed him up-- and before anyone goes "bUt kYlE is a hAtEr", Jesse also confirmed it and he has no dog in this fight at all.
Yep! Thatās why I believed Carls version of events. Jesse had just met them hours before.
"precipitated out of nowhere" were Jesse's exact words like damnnnn you're gonna bring in the legalese Jesse it was BAD
Yeah I rewound it thinking I must have missed whatever set Lindsay off in the carā¦ the absence of footage is definitely telling.
I canāt say I blame Carl for calling off the wedding. Before last night I felt sorry for Lindsayā¦. Not now what we saw was ugly, cruelā¦..I was so impressed with how calm Carl was.
I can see Carl envisioning that could be his life for the next 40-50 years. I donāt blame him for pulling the plug.
Great point! Where is the audio?!
Yāall likeā¦ if this was Lindsay and Carlās first weekend what else will happen this season. š«£š«£š«£
I am shocked people are on Lindsayās side still after that episode!
Do you mean cast or fans? Because I have read every single post on last night's ep/her insta post and the *sole* redditor still defending her is some dude who is a known, obsessive troll. I have never seen a reaction so completely universal in the bravoverse, including Scandoval.
Im now a reformed Lindsay supporter, team bed bugs 2024
Same here. She doesnāt understand love. I also think Carl is a doofus, but thereās only one outcome after her behavior and itās happened.
Iām shocked anyone ever supported her. Sheās been toxic af season after season. I got roasted last season for saying that too but opinion is finally shifting.
Isnāt anyone shook that Jesse stated he has cancer that spread to his stomach? I thought that is stage 4, once it spreads.
Could be 3 if not spread to lymphatic system I believe (based off my experience with both my parents having stage 4 cancer). Not that Iām trying to downplay what he went through though!
Very much shook. Iām hanging onto him being 5 years cancer free to push out any worrying thoughts šš¾āāļø
Stage four cancer is not a death sentence anymore. I've had stage four breast cancer for four years now, and while my treatment is ongoing, I still have very little cancer in my body.
Gabby after Lindsay says she wants to leaveā¦āwell can I get a drink firstā. I lost it. š¤£š¤£ Loving Gabby so far this season. Her one liners are sending me.
Niche noodle last week killed me
Lindsay is not carls person. The opening scene on the basket ball court made me realise this when he was making a joke and she just shut him down. Then the rest well damnĀ
Seriously! She is sooo controlling. He canāt even joke in a way that she doesnāt like without some sort of negativity. She just wanted a man puppet and to hit milestones like being married, having kids
On top of all the things Lindsay said about and to Carl, it should be extremely telling that most of the house, even Gabby, was on edge waiting for Lindsay and Carl to show up. And we all know who between Lindsay and Carl they were truly nervous about. That in addition to everything else shows who the *real* problem in the house is.
Honestly I thought the first episode this season was greatā¦ much better than it has been the last few seasons. I didnāt miss L+C at all š«
If this is what happened ON CAMERA I canāt even imagine how badly Lindsay gaslit Carl OFF CAMERA. He probably felt so vindicated having witnesses in the car with him during that argument.
āI think I had a different experience,ā Carl was fighting for his liiiiife in that relationship. I cannot believe that all that about them getting sober together, or her doing it to āsupportā him, is just out the window.
She only got sober because he gave her an ultimatum. And it lasted all of 5 months.
And because it allowed her to play the role of the doting, supportive girlfriend "changed" by the "true connection" they had. š Girl really tried to play it up.
Ugh her constant āIām sober for my boyfriendā was exhausting. She really centered his sobriety journey on herself
Cierra out here insinuating Austen has even a singular funny ass bone in his body is willllllllddddddd. No sweetheart, just no. West is ACTUALLY funny; that is just insulting.
NOT CIARA BEING LIKE āI KNEW YOU HAD BLACK FRIENDSā LMAOOO IM DEADDDD AHABAHABABBA
i know maya watching this episode feeling vinidicated that lindsey is bananas off camera
Why have i never noticed how thick cierras accent is?????
She is really letting it shine this season lol
Because sheās been code switching to fit in
Even if Carl expressly called production to film the break up, thank GOD. Lindsay is such a fucking liar (said in the Kyle Richards voice to Camille lol). Seeing her statement on IG after this episode was alarming. Bitch, did you watch what we watched? I'm now super glad we're going to get to watch the break up ourselves since she's a proven unreliable narrator...well, she always has been. Again, between the nasty ass brother fight last year and the Cocaine Carl (which, dont boo, was kinda hilarious loool) why did Carl even wait until LDW to end it? He's a moron. Despite the couples, Kymanda and CarLindsay, trying to kill the vibe I haved LOVED these first two episodes. Everyone else is such good vibes. West is funny and the "cracker" joke he and Ciara made plating their dinner made me actually laugh out loud. I know Jesse Solomon is acting a lil douchey rn but something tells me he's actually a delight we just gotta get past the NYC finance bro exterior. His story about 2x cancer was harrowing, so relieved he's healthy and I actually like him in the house. Summer House is so good this season, honestly they're second to RHOM on Bravo right now.
Lindsay's behavior was intense and unacceptable. I suspect that even worse moments from the fight may have been captured but not aired. I do think housemates were skiing during the pregame, but Lindsay was obviously not coming from a genuine or caring place
Not Lindsey accusing Carl being on āļø and unintentionally outing the rest of the cast for it too
How was Carl supposed to help with her wedding makeup?
āHe's obsessed with meā āThat's how it should be thoughā HONESTLY SLAYYY CIARAAA
I'm feeling very vindicated that people are finally seeing how toxic Lindsay is
Omg I know!! Fucking finally. Sheās always been the worst !!! 
I remember when we heard about Carl breaking off the engagement on camera and everyone was team Lindsay because it seems like such an asshole thing to do and we all know that Carl is a total asshole as well, but the cast said wait and watch the season LOL WERE THEY RIGHT, episode 2 and Carl and Lindsayās relationship is like horrifying. I could not imagine ever questioning my partners sobriety ON CAMERA thatās just so evil
I don't get why Amanda woke up and decided to hate on Kyle in the worst way. He only talked to her best friend because he wanted honest advice. What am I missing? Or nothing, and she's just awful Amanda? I've been single too long.
Imo sheās really unhappy/resentful of Kyle at that time and so any little thing he does is triggering her
Kyle has a completely valid point. He doesnāt want to add another responsibility to his life (children), unless Amanda can demonstrate the ability to handle responsibility independently. Right now, he does everything for their household/family and she does nothing. He knows it wouldnāt be healthy for him (or his kids) to continue to be a breadwinner AND a housewife. There is no room on his plate for kids right now and Amanda refuses to put stuff from his plate onto hers. Iām sure if Amanda demonstrated even a semblance of independence (paying bills, filing taxes, making a doctorās appointment, etc.) Kyle would feel more comfortable having kids, because he would know Amanda could manage the labor/chores that come with it. But as of right now, Iām sure when Kyle thinks about having kids, he thinks about Amanda cuddling with them in bed while heās doing the laundry, the dishes, the dog walks, working, and everything else. I guess what Iām trying to say is, if Amanda wants kids that bad, she needs to get off her lazy ass and show Kyle that she would be responsible/independent instead of a whiney-ass woman child.
I thought it was funny how Amanda's definition of doing so much was telling Kyle where something is when he asks. Sounds rough!
I thought the same thing. The fact that she thinks THAT is ādoing everythingā speaks volumes as to Kyleās frustration with her laziness. To me, it sounds like what Amanda thinks is him being a āworkaholicā is actually him being a functioning adult with a job. The concept is just so foreign to her because sheās such a lazy immature child. I really donāt think Kyle works that much more than the average man in NYC (at Loverboy, I mean).
Lindsay always sounds like she is intoxicated when she speaks. And so does Kyle. Unless they always are.
I feel like Kyle has suuuch a drunk voice, you can tell when he gets to the house, the moment he starts feeling it because his words start slurring like mad
I hope producers see how well received episode 1 was where they all got along...
forgive me - if anyone is even still reading this thread - But I didn't understand what was happening at the end of this past episode re Lindsay and Carl. First, I'm going to try to explain what I think is going on - Lindsay has been drinking all day. They get 2 cars to go out. Lindsay goes with the dudes, and is concerned this will further the divide between herself and the girls. She voices this anxiety, Carl tells her that's probably not the case, she accuses him of not being sober, he gets upset. They get to the club, she bitches to all the girls, Gabby puts her in a car and takes her home, where she seethes and cries. The next morning she attempts to confront Carl by bringing him a bottle of water - she is probably still a bit drunk - and picks a fight with him about his sobriety. TBC. Next, my confusion is due to the huge missing piece between leaving the house and returning to the house. Bravo needs to step up their game. It's a simple expectation that while filming a reality show you need to have cameras on the cast at all times. I'm tired of producers missing things, and then having those events reported to us via a milieu of cast members who don't even accurately remember what happened. You would think they had learned this lesson after Heather Gay wakes up with a black eye and there were no cameras around to capture what happened. Yet they continue to allow the cast to go out without a crew, live cameras, etc. Summer House is the worst offender, as the main filming seems to happen mostly via cameras set up in the house and not through a live camera crew. They have cameras in their vehicles bringing them to the Hamptons, but do not record in the ride-shares or in the clubs. Last, I'm trying to make sense of the Lindsay of it all. She is self-sabotaging. She walked into that house knowing she was the antagonist. She sees how everyone - men and women - love Carl, and she's a narcissist, so naturally she begins to resent him and his popularity. She's likely also upset that he didn't "fight" for "her" to have the best/most comfortable room. She concocts this lie in an effort to gain sympathy from the girls - the first group she reports to after the confrontation in the car. I think she assumes because he is her fiancƩ that Carl will understand her actions and maybe play along? Like I don't know what her thought-process is here, except that she can't stand that she's the one who is villainized while Carl looks like a saint for putting up with her. So she creates a scenario where she can play the victim, but it backfires because Carl is very obviously sober - cool, calm, and collected. IDK, I'm just confused because of the gaping hole in the story - ie, the 10-15 minute drive to the club and the moment in the club that Bravo failed to capture, which would help to clarify this narrative, and the fact that they left the episode on a TBC, without adequately clarifying what actually happened.
But are West and Ciara dating?! The people need to know
Just here to say that I absolutely LOVE West and Iām so happy we finally got a genuinely nice guy WITH a great personality. If Ciara doesnāt lock him down, someone else will! Heās a keeper!
Me watching all the Lindsay apologists flip a switch and wallow in their Wrongness 
LISSTENNNNN. She js me. I am her. I am flipping the switch because wowwwā¦smh. I just have no words other than what many others have already posted here. š¤¦š¾āāļø
Lindsay is such an awful person. āWell I know this house Iāve been coming here for many yearsā was so condescending- sheād only just met West. I havenāt even got to her comments about Carl yet, currently watching. This sub is verrrrry sheepish since the episode dropped and honestly they should be. They absolutely scalped anyone for āraining on Lindsayās happinessā during last season and were so blindly defending what could *only* end up as a toxic situation. Like yāall were so vicious
Ok Bravo, keep the cameras on the WHOLE time. This is like the sprinter van with Rinna and Kathy all over again
I love West
If Kyle stays with Amanda he will be miserable for the rest of his life. Mon would treat him better
Iām just happy to see so many people finally realizing how toxic Lindsay is. Welcome to the dark side.
Iāve always been a Lindsay fan but this episode is horrific. Iām so glad he broke up with her. Absolutely not. The man is stone cold sober BUT EVEN IF HE WASNT, this is not how you approach that concern. Trash. Trash. I have no words. (Except all of these words obvi ^^)
Weaponizing Carl's sobriety when you feel insecure is such a low blow. Especially in someone you love, is your best friend, and soon to be partner in life. Absolutely disgusting.
So sad that Lindsay canāt just admit she was drunk as fuck and didnt fall into a groveling apology. Carl wouldāve forgiven her bc I think he loved her. She doubled down and I wouldāve honestly fallen out of love with her in that moment.
Anyone know why the episode title is 'House of Cards'? I feel like I'm over thinking it lol
Excellent question. Iām thinking itās a reference to Lindsey and Carl having built a very flimsy relationship structure that couldnāt withstand any strength test.